Beauty Will Save the World - The Philosophy of Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Dostoevsky was a 19th-century Christian existentialist writer. In this (hyper-interpreted) video, we try to figure out what kind of life could assert that "beauty will save the world."
This video's style is largely inspired by the following channels:
@PursuitofWonder
@boyinthebadlands
The Dostoevsky Archive (1997) - Peter Sekirin
The Idiot (1869) - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Nobel Lecture in Literature (1970) - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn www.nobelprize.org/prizes/lit...
Other sources are informal.
Dostoevsky's other great books:
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Crime and Punishment: amzn.to/47RttDl
The Brothers Karamazov: amzn.to/3PfToO4
Notes From the Underground: amzn.to/3KYZHCV
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“Beauty has been stolen from the people, and sold back to them under the concept of luxury.”
Reformed and reworked beauty is sold. Real beauty can never be sold. Not a sunrise, not a beauty of children, not a kind smile, not flower fields that you can visit but never take home.
Wow
"Yet all Beauty is oppressed, subjugated, executed, removed from central planning and all its philosophies"
I don’t think he’s talking about that kind of beauty.
So true....economic inequality is also a severe form of social injustice.
Didn't even mention the deaths of his first wife and 2 of his 3 children, the man's life was truly full of sorrow.
@@sashamoore9691what is wrong with you? how could you say that a father who lost his children doesn't care?
He had 4 kids
"Blessed are those that suffer cause they will be compforted" -JESUS CHRIST
@@rubengomezmartinez5969she probably has a bad relationship with her father and was projecting
@@Sara-ww6jf I never got that, what good does it do to project, is it even a continuous decision? Man, some people I really can't get
i've always said the same. experiencing beauty is self transcending and for a moment you forget about all suffering or your own painful ego. i'm extremely angry because those in power are trying to take beauty away from the common population. beauty is what gives meaning to our lives, it gives people a reason to fight for themselves.
I am optimistic that all people have beauty within and through expression we can simply reignite beauty in the world even when others snuff it out we simply light it back up again else where.
And those in power are failures. They can never accomplish this task... To be frank, they are currently on the precipice of extinction. Doesn't even need a push. Its happening, they are tipping tipping tipping. Soon to topple.
Isn't that a very drug-addict kind of thing to say?
@@psibarpsiI see this comment as another symptom of what’s wrong. Someone talks about having an experience like this and everyone automatically assumes it’s drugs. It doesn’t have to be. Sometimes if you’re in the right frame of mind you can just look at a thing of beauty and feel a sense of awe and wonder. I feel sorry for those who have never had this experience without the help of drugs.
how did you come to that conclusion? that those in power are trying to take beauty away from the common population, i mean
Beauty, in the form of art, actually saved my life. I had/have depression and did not have a purpose anymore. But rediscovering music, symphony and cinema made me realize life is truly beautiful and, for that, I chose to live. Peace
it saved my life too, its saving my life currently. some music, movies, shows, and etc, has made me look at something that feels right , like i was meant to see it. but in a distracting world, all the noise can move me away from being happy, i have to be patient and find that still voice again
Keep on, dude! If anyone told me 11 months ago I would be still alive I would not have believed. I'm not only alive, but thriving. I cannot stress how searching a doctor and starting treatment is a life saver. @@lemonstrangler
Can you please share your favourites?!
Same and I'm tired of socializing but my age still need to go to school and I'm tired actually I hope I can grow older fast and live with books and alone
@@user-ev9ud5pe5q i relate to this
So much of our morality is wrapped up with our sense of beauty.
you may be confusing what people value with beauty. As what some people value may be tied to a form of pathology rather than beauty
I think that that is one of the main themes of the Berserk manga, you could like it.
It's just something that God infused in us.
@@DudeNamedDuncanI believe beauty is just an ideology, that we gained with years of informational dogma spreading for millennials
@@nothing67440this isn't that type of beauty boyo
We study "Crime and punishment" in high school, and from my experience it is the only novel that all of the students enjoy. Even those who don't usually read books are captivated by it. I've heard a lot of high schoolers say that this is their favourite classical book and that it has changed their lives significantly.
Damn everyone be getting me hyped up to read that 1000 page novel. Although I will have to read it via audible cuz no way my eyes can do all that work
@@hatersgotohell627 It just made me depressed. I don't know what these people are going on about.
Here I am, Not sure why but that book was such a great read and made me fall in love with Dostoevskys work
I love that book. I only read it about a year and a half ago and it was perfect timing with everything that was going on in my life. I loved reading about his internal struggles, his defense of his sister, his compassion towards Sonya and her family, his gradually slipping mask of sanity, him staggering to the police office for his confession and his new view on life as he is in Siberia. I wish I read him in high school. I only made it through the first few chapters of Brothers Karamazov in hs and gave up. I recently finished that masterpiece a little over a year ago. I think that to understand his writings you have to had experienced suffering in a mental or social capacity resulting in loneliness, isolation and/or despair. If one denies and dismisses the pain of suffering in their life and lives superficially, it's harder to see what he is trying to tell us. Even then his psychological insight is so keen that he can show you yourself even if you don't wish to see it.
@@hatersgotohell627Crime and Punishment is only about 500 pages or so. The translation of Pevear and Volokhonsky I read is around 550 pages.
If the world is saved, the solution would be beautiful, regardless of what it looks like.
what if it was genocide💀💀
@@yeet9703 beauty in death 💀
@@ronnlinapersonally I think that's beautiful too but ion wanna get air striked GSHAHSHAS
@@yeet9703 If it’s beautiful. 🤷🏻♂️
@@yeet9703death isnt a solution its a disavowal from finding a solution. It doesnt solve anything, it avoids the problems entirely.
Dostoyevsky is absolutely PHENOMENAL. I am a big reader of world literature and so many authors touch heart, mind and create meaning but frankly no one touches SOUL like Mr DOSTOYEVSKY. He was a true literary genius and lived through so much suffering and happiness he describes in his novels. Crime and Punishment, Demons, the Idiot and Kalamazoo Brothers my absolute favourites. Can’t even pick one. It’s too impossible. Beauty indeed MATTERS.
I wish it was called the Kalamazoo Brothers lol
I'm Russian, and we have to read Dostoevsky mandatory in high school. I enjoyed his books "Crime and Punishment" and "Idiot" in high school but they really flourished years later. Relatively recently I reread "Crime and Punishment" and it was amazing. It sounds incredibly fresh, like someone wrote it nowadays. And lots of topics there are still relevant, and you can sympathize with almost all the characters. Dostoevsky is phenomenal indeed.
@@NameNik223You're very lucky!here I have to dig deep to find his gems..
*Karamazov brothers ))
Ooo, I recently went back into reading, what are some of your recommendations?
Something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is that making something beautiful out of a hardship is like a beacon of hope to all who witness it. We all know how hard life can be, and I think that’s why it affects us deeply when something beautiful transcends that, exists in spite of that. Beautiful moments really are like doorways to hope.
This is exactly why my plan is gonna wOrk out 100%...thx for reminding me bro!!!❤
Making something beautiful out of hardship is what Christ on the cross symbolizes. We take up our crosses and follow Him, not for happiness, but for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven, which is where all beauty comes from.
@@Ooweeeooo An easy search: BIBLE + FREEMASONRY, through which lies and truth becomes easy listed. So far i have listed 28 lies and 28 truth. Have you started to dig? What have you found? What do you know about masonry club? About the evil rulers of this world, masons, what you know about them? The 2 that rule this world, can you name these?
“What if life were given back to me, what Infinity! And then it would all be mine! Then I’d turn each minute into a whole age.” -Fyodor Dostoevsky
When you have ugly experiences like Dostoevsky did you learn to appreciate the beautiful things in life, from the seemingly simple to the sublime, in music, in art, a sunset, a good book, beauty really can be medicine for the soul and helps you survive the things (and people) that uglify this world.
But the greatest of all beauty is in people and im not talking about the Inner Beauty bull crap. Nothing can be more healing than a Beautiful Face, which is also a sign of pure kindness and intelligence. In this very dark world, beauty is salvation. That is truth very few people can relate to. Because they keep holding on to the idea that a person should never be judge by their looks. Blessed are those who can relate this reality. It means you met someone truly beautiful and that was because felt beautiful too.
@@eduardochavacanoDo you really believe in the idea that all pretty people are innocents that can do nothing wrong, while the uglies are all maniacs that want to do villainous acts all the time?
@@eduardochavacanoI'm pretty sure inner beauty matters too if you say it's not then you're dismissing different forms of beauty. Also you're so so
“Do you know I don't know how one can walk by a tree and not be happy at the sight of it? How can one talk to a man and not be happy in loving him! Oh, it's only that I'm not able to express it...And what beautiful things there are at every step, that even the most hopeless man must feel to be beautiful! Look at a child! Look at God's sunrise! Look at the grass, how it grows! Look at the eyes that gaze at you and love you!” - Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Idiot
Hey bro are you a Christian
Dostoevsky said he'd believe in God, the Christian god, even if it were proven to be total BS. Because he admitted that would make life too unbearable for him to endure. 'Idiot' is fitting.
Good things are naturally beautiful.
Indeed
Splendid video...bravo
“Beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.” 'Fyodor Dostoevsky
Completely disagree
@@JamesLee50 why?
@@slavic_viking9638 cause it's completely subjective not telking about beauty But it saving people
As Beauty is a divine emanation of the creator, a reflection of his splendor on earth, it only makes sense that Beauty itself will bring many to salvation.
well said!
@@rune.theocracy well thank you 🤠🙏
So who created horror and ugliness??
@@deanodog3667 well i am no theologian but it's my understanding that horror and ugliness are the direct effects of the fall of man. and then the corrupting forces of the fallen angels continue to take advantage of the fall.
@@cymbolic_space1832 so basically the consequences of two hippies raiding an old man's apple orchard ?? How very grown up of you !!
What you said about the dirt that the farmer walked upon is a lesson I learned myself. Until recently, empty bottles meant nothing to me, they were worthless. After I started brewing (for fun), I become excited whenever I get my hands on an empty bottle - after all, it can be used to store what I brew! What I learned is that a thing's value is based on how it could be used. The more life experience you have, the more valuable the world and the things in it become, which is why I highly encourage everyone to be open minded and try different things. It teaches you to view life from a different perspective.
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"A thing's value is based on how it could be used." Kafka would disagee
The lovely thing about rediscovering beauty in everything around you is that, once you start, its terribly hard to stop. I can never walk down a tree-lined street without marveling at the fact that those gentle giants stand over us, some older than we can even imagine. Beauty is everywhere.
So beautiful what you said !
He never losed hope even after so much suffering, that's a beautiful mind.
He had a profound faith in God, in Christ.
@@vaska1999Not in the Protestant or Roman Catholic Christ, but in the Orthodox Christ.
Given the fact that Dostoyevsky had a deep belief in God, and that in theology God is described as the True, the Good and the Beautiful I think I understand what he meant by saying: ,,Beauty will save the world.”
I also believe this is what he meant. However, I tried as per Dostoevsky's message to make the message beautiful for everyone while also subtly incorporating what Dostoevsky actually thought.
@@Kessekom I’m sorry that this was your experience. But I’m a Catholic myself and my experience with Catholicism is the complete opposite. The joy, the beauty, the truth, the wisdom, the rich intelectual tradition, the deep understaing of the Bible, the inspiring saints, this is the Catholic Church I know. I realize that many people have unfortunatelly had plenty of negative experiences with Catholics, but all Catholics don’t necessarily reflect the nature of Catholicism. Please, just keep that in mind.
Indian scriptures have this dictum describing God - "Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram" - God is Truth is Goodness is Beauty, one and same.
@@Kessekomhow can you create God?? We are created in His image and by His love and grace Has decided to share all His glory,riches and beauty for free through the belief in His only son Jesus who experienced ugliness of humanity to create hope for us in faith in Him alone.
@@johnnykilonzo2103 same way you create any other work of fiction
"When I look back at the past and think how much time has been wasted in vain, how much time was lost in DELUSIONS, in errors, in idleness, in ignorance of how to live, how I did not value time, how often I sinned, against my heart and spirit--my heart bleeds." To think that that was his last piece of literacy before he died is so beautiful but it makes you aware and realize how you don't want that to be yours before you die. You'd like to look back at your own past and think how it wasn't perfect yet you created this beauty you call your life and that you sketched, drafted, added, and erased elements off of it. You were the artist...
the idiot is by far the best dostoevsky novel and i will not be convinced otherwise. it literally changed my life.
Я с вами согласен,это и мой его любимый роман...могу вам посоветовать русскую экранизацию "Идиота" только я не знаю есть ли она на английском..
Beauty has already saved the World. But the World never accepted it. Only those with have a heart of a Child are able to see it and accept it. But for those who haven't grasped it yet, there is hope because indeed, "Beauty will save the World."
Thank you, it reminded me of something I had forgotten
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Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3
As an artist I've come to understand that because beauty has saved myself already.
Beauty is Jesus
Truly the most incredible writer and philosopher
Many great thinkers!
Failure to perceive beauty is a moral test . Thoreau
If I could like this video twice, I’d attempt to like it thrice.
I read Crime and Punishment in my 50s. To this day, it is the best book I've ever read 📚 🏆
The best commentary I heard on this is "Beauty will save the world, (and the highest form of beauty is truth)."
Beauty is everywhere - we just have to see/perceive it. On the other hand: learning the lessons from suffering leads us also to beauty 🌷🌿
Grace, symmetry, order, symbiosis, art, creativity, passion, .. symmetry and beauty, even in the arts, mathematics, sciences, engineering, and more, ... Beauty of the soul , harmony, systematic order... Beauty can be manifest in all these things, spiritually, mentally, emotionally, physically Though in terms of metaphorically, I cannot see any immediate benefit other than a sentimental type value, however have 'beauty' as the basis for our approach to life, and in all things we do... In this, I can understand
Removing all of that which is beautiful is a major part of demoralizing and deflating a society. The "unseen hand" is very clever at destroying the root of our motivation.
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
@@ElonMuskrat-my8jyshut up
Beauty and creativity go hand in hand. Our problems are an opportunity to build a solution. Solutions are an epic triumph of order over chaos. When trouble is encountered, and creativity is summoned to dispell it, beauty is the result. When you see a beautiful work of art, consider all the trial and error the artist must have gone through to attain those skills. Any great work required pain and sacrifice to make.
Strange, I thought of that phrase yesterday. I read the book 20 years ago. And now this video is suggested to me. Since I read the book, I have always understood beauty to be synonymous with truthfulness.
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Beautiful script and beautiful editing. Enjoyed it a lot. Thanks.
I feel like I relate to this guy on a spiritual level and he was a great philosopher. The importance of beauty is often underestimated. If people dont see the beauty in the world they may not get the feeling there is truly something to protect and something to live for. We could fail to save the world because too many people found it not worth saving and making an effort. A lack of beauty and lack of hope is dangerous. And beauty makes life feel meaningful and and actually worth living. Beauty is there originally in nature but humans often ruin it. Tragic life, I feel sorry for what him and his friends went through. At least he didn't completely lose sense of hope
Спасибо!
Василий Розанов тоже интересный писатель. Это русский философ начала 20 века. Книга "Опавшие листья" и другое...
this was an incredible watch and I was so shocked to see how little subscribers you have, you deserve way more. beautiful video
absolutely beautiful! I've been reading Dostoevsky since my family and I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy and the words "beauty will save the world" are spoken by my Priest almost monthly in his Homilies - such that it resounds in my mind almost daily as of late. I have truly been captivated by Beauty and am thankful for the minority that make reminders like this one. Thank you for the video, it brought tears to my eyes and gratitude to my heart.
Welcome home to you and your family ☦️ many years!
thank you for making this ❤
Good way of explaining man really appreciate the quality of the production of video ❤
Absolutely stunning material here. His profound revelation really opened up an interpretation for life that so many ignore in which they lack the ability for potential betterment of their situations and circumstances. A genius philosopher who may have seemingly suffered from certain harsh life events bestowed upon him but it did not break his spirit for its beauty is what saved him. Dostoevsky is a true gem to learn from
This was life. Life is beauty.
Very good work. I'm usually not moved by these types of videos anymore, but I think you captured something profound here. Thanks for sharing
We should really take his mans advice he knew suffering his friend at 9 years old was raped and killed, he lost his mother and father at ages 15 and 17 his first wife died and 2 of his children died, he like many in this world was closer to pain than he would of liked so for him to encourage those to still have beauty (faith in a better world) when he saw first hand how ugly it can be is pretty incredible and says so much about how resiliant a person with hope can be
beauty will save the world as in 'those who have lost sight on it no longer can'.
Excellent video! Beautiful writing and editing.
I'm convinced that if there were more beauty, human experience and life would be enriched, and out of that enriched experience would come a greater empathy and appreciation for other experiences (other people, for example). As Pierce Brown writes in Red Rising, Death begets death begets death - but the opposite can also be true :enriched lives beget enriched lives.
I absolutely agree. I even think the overall sense of beauty people have on a large scale, could determine the fate of the world. Whether people truly have a sense of there is something to protect and preserve or they dont see the point. It can hugely impact what effort people make, what they value and how they act. Valuing life itself (whether were talking individual lives or species preservation, or the right for each one to have a good life and certain rights) requires seeing beauty in life. And I think people more overall content are naturally kinder (but some can still suffer a lot and yet have a lot of compassion)
Phenomenal work! This video and your voice both are beautiful. Hope you make it big man. Subscribed
I´ve never understood how saturated we are right now by the tyranny of reason and rational until i read Dostoevsky, every discourse online, every discussion has to have a scientific reason or research, everything you do has to have a rational and logical objective or is pretty much worthless, the things that you believe in have to be based on realistic modern standards or they are not valid, i´ve never felt happier until i let go and realized that i don´t have to justify my actions to myself or anyone, i don´t have to rationalize everything i do, i just am.
you just are, but you still have to rationalize what you believe in, otherwise it has no validity
Lovely video bro, the flow and simplicity of the script was wonderful
Thank you for making the video ❤✨
Beauty and Curiosity are often linked, and the opening leads to a more spiritual path
Beauty too can improve humanity as a whole due to the fact that if a beautiful person were to appear to a not so beautiful person, the person will feel inadequate and most likely will imitate that beautiful person and even surpass it and one day someone will surpass that person too and the cycle will continue until the humanity itself embodied "beauty".
Nice seeing a fellow Afghan Dostoevsky lover here
Thank you for this very well done presentation. I recently told a philosophy class I teach that I (unfortunately) can resist truth, but beauty is much harder to resist.
This was beautiful to watch. Keep up the good work!
Definitely a great video essay. The opening was great, it took us very quickly into the early life and years of Dostoyevsky, most people would take a couple of minutes to narrate that, but here it was done in only a minute or two; not to mention, the quotes supplemented the story, great opening. I believe it starts getting a bit tricky with who said what at about 2:00 as many characters are introduced with a very brief introduction, if lengthened it would accentuate the chronological understanding of things, unless a ring structure is desired. The ending clears the fog in the aforementioned as it repeats the names and gives far lengthy introduction of the people mentioned, it also loops finishing any unfinished topics such as the execution. One of the things that I really enjoyed was ending the video by a deep, chilling quote by the man himself. Overall, I loved the ring structure and I was very impressed by the editing. I would say if you were to give less context in the mid-video and let all the empty knowledge complete in the end it would perfect the ring structure of the video essay.
This made me tear up. Thank you for the inspiration.
Incredible editing and writing. Commenting for algorithm boosting
Bro really had such a deep understanding of God
For me, a piece of art that reaches the ultimatum is björk's vespertine At the surface it may seem simply about love but you should really analyze the lyrics in the second half through a philosophical lens I think those are some of the most mature ensemble of words ever written and the music itself is the sound of heaven
Bjork and Madonna in one song is Perfection that can save lives.
Madonna????
Very overrated album
@@nickpeitchev7763 beauty is in the eye of the beholder Imo its not overrated at all because most people don't even care to understand the lyrics or the musical composition they just stray away in distaste because they think its "strange" Even if its not for you I think any true music lover can still appreciate its quality
Her voice is bad the lyrics are bad only the music is good
Truly beautiful video
Wonderful video, man, god bless you for making this
Beautifully expressed
Great work on your videos, hopefully your channel will grow where you desire ! Keep up the quality content
This is a really well thought and made video! Thanks
This is particularly well done. Production value is superb. I am a chaplain at an Episcopal High School. I will show this in chapel, and I think my 500+ students and teachers will get much out of this. Probably paired with Scripture from Ecclesiastes. I will credit your channel. Thanks for putting this out into the universe. If you ever want to collaborate let me know.
Wow! I'm sorry for responding to this comment so late. I'm surprised to hear that you enjoyed the video so much. Likewise, if you want to collaborate, my contact email is in my about section on KZhead. Thank you for the opportunity, and have a beautiful day!
Thank you so much for the beauty in your heart. May God Bless you with many more inspiring moments.
Enjoyed the video👍 keep up the good work👍
what a beautiful topic. i love your editing style
What a beautifully made video! Great content and commentary!
Beauty means art. Art will save the world. That's what Dostoyevsky was saying.
Theres beauty found inn things that arent works of art. Like nature etc, feelings, experiences
Dostoevsky would have said art if he'd meant art. He meant something far transcending art.
That's one hell of a video for someone with only 4k subs good job man 💪
OMG, what a video. I had to subscribe. You made everything sound so poetic. You brought ~beauty~ to the message. Congrats from Brazil!
Amazing work!
Excellent…Your voice lends perfect clarity and context to such a piece. DIrect, no filler, and no feeling or opinion, just content as advertised. Excellent.
Beautiful video, editing, theme, subject, great work brother. The beauty of your work has given me a sprig of hope where I have recently experienced death and lost of an aunt. Thank you
Always keep your head up. Losing a loved one is always hard but in the end we all reunite in my opinion so don't worry.
BEAUTY WILL Save The World. Starting with The Beauty of our Own Hearts.
Did you know? Dostoyevsky was inspired by Friedrich Schiller’s (1795) argument that beauty enhances our moral sensitivity. Russian intellectuals, deeply moved by his poetry, greatly admired Schiller's work.
Absolutely necessary message. Thank you for this well made video!
Damn dude how did you learn to edit like this compared to your first video wow is an understatement defiantly subbing to this channel
Thank you very much for sharing this gem❤️
Amazing work, congratulations 👏🏻👏🏻
thanks for the video my man
Awesome video, man! Keep it up. Subscribed!
I’ve never heard of this man or his point of view. Thank you for bringing such a great topic to light
Great video my man
Thank you for beautiful video. Love and Respect.
Loved this video, good one 🤌🏼
the reference to Bosh's painting “Seven Deadly Sins” is crazy, I really loved it. I never write comments but for this one yes. fantastic idea, really. Thank you❤❤
"Beauty" is the ground of being; this is one way of experiencing it. It could also be called "Order" or "Perfection." It cannot be seen at all when reality is divided into beautiful and ugly. In traditional cultures the beauty way is the natural way of life. Seeing beauty is seeing the good and the true, that transcendent light holding all, denying none. Within this field beings may choose blindness to beauty if they wish. Blindness us war, property, competition, struggle.
this type of content is so important, but it's sad to think that people don't care as much about it. keep up your work my friend this is great
Of course, they talk too much. Who cares about difficult words and concepts? It's stupid
Very good video buddy… keep it going !
this video popped up on my feed, I really liked this video. thanks for such an amazing content! good luck!
You are truly talented. Please continue to craft good videos! Peace
Amazing video, I appreciate you sharing the knowledge. 🌠
This great thank you for putting this into the world
@presage451 This is video reflects the beauty! Thank you for making this!❤
My favourite quote of all time. I understand it deeply. There’s nothing like beauty that affects the heart deeply and for me it is the beauty of nature
great video mate, helpful
Currently reading Crime and Punishment. Great explanation of fyodor dostoevsky 's philosophy ❤
Brilliant video!
having loud whitenoise is more of a distraction than an aesthetic imo. Just some minor criticism I get the appeal and beauty of adding white noise but this was a bit too much imo.