Why the Atronach Stone trumps the Lord Stone in Skyrim!
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Why the Atronach Stone trumps the Lord Stone in Skyrim!
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or youcould use the Aetherial Crown to use both the Lord and Atronach Stones on a Breton and laugh in the face of any mage
I just made this comment too then read yours and laughed lol.
as a warrior it put me at a disadvantage because i lost a ton of armor from taking off my helmet, and i learned that the hard way
+Adam Pandit I did that. Let's just say I had to stop using that tactic because it worked *TOO* well. Then I tried it while being a vampire...Good luck trying to find a challenge on Legendary Difficulty.
Lasagna Salad The answer is mods particularly BIG Helmetless
Lasagna Salad you could use falmer helm or penitus oculatus, the crown count as a circlet, so you can use them both
If you're a thief and you set off a trap then you're doing it wrong.
lockpicking can undo traps and perks can undo pressure plates and looking where you're going can undo tripwire
Sometimes the trap doesn't have pressure plates or trip wires because the trap is a rune. Sometimes they are put on the other sides of doors so you can not see them until they hit you. Many times there isn't any way around them other than through them. Though I guess you could send Lydia to stand by the rune to set it off.
+M'aiq The Liar Or cast a cheap spell at it.
Good point. The perk in the sneak tree that eliminates the possibility of setting off traps does not apply to runes. That's why a good thief might take the atronach stone & get spell absorption to 100% to be able to walk right through runes.
Runes aren't so much traps as they are sentries, they attack upon entrance, not being set off for those who are unwary.
I agree that the atronach stone is better. But the irony of the Stone is, it also absorbs your own damn conjuration spells. I'm often running around trying to summon a dremora lord looking like a dumbass
It stops your own spells from working? I thought it was a glitch for me when I tried to summon something.. and nothing happened..
Abraxas Alazam Huh. I always wondered why it was so finicky.
only most conjuration spells as you cast those on yourself
Gimli son of Gloín I think the problem started for me when I got that perk that lets me summon daedra twice as far for the range..
Creature summons that you cast, such as summon Fire Ateonach etc, are considered to be self-targeting. Therefore both the Atronach stone and the Ateonach alteration perks are poor picks, unless you are into roleplaying a chaos character and you like the fickle feel of having your spells cancel. FM actually allude to this at the beginning of the video when they mention their exception cases.
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1-A horny argonian female character with biggest boob size. 2-Tavern clothes and a dagger. 3-Master illusion and restoration and keep putting points in stamina (for obvious reasons). 4-Most importantly,master 1-handed *cough* (for obvious reasons). +??? =Profit P.S:ALWAYS carry a statue of dibella and tons of stamina potions.
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The Atronach stone in Oblivion was a lot of fun. Not having regenerating magicka made you actually use potions a lot and made you think more about your actions.
Bout Beer wait,magicka doesn't regenerate? Not health?
In Oblivion, you select a celestial birthsign in the beginning of the game that will determine your attributes and stats throughout the rest of the game. Each of the Standing Stones in Skyrim are crafted in the images of the constellations from which the player chooses their specialty in Oblivion. The Atronach constellation in Oblivion gave a passive 150 extra points of Magicka and 50% Spell Absorption. To counteract these godly mage-buffing abilities, your magic would not naturally regenerate. You had to drink potions, rest or absorb hostile spells to get Magicka back. And if you wanted to be able to regenerate Health without potions or spells, you'd have to pick the Lord constellation, which imparted the Trollkin curse on the player- wherein you could regenerate up to 90 Health, but had a permanent 50% weakness to Fire.
resting didn't work either... you had to go to chapels and stuff
Or you could have just used the Mage birthsign. 50 extra magicka with no strings attached. Pairs well with being a Breton since they also gain a 50 point magicka boost, plus they have 50% magic resistance, works out great if you wear a Mundane ring to max it out to 100%.
Mage is a better option for an Altmer in Oblivion to get more magicka (Although Atronach is what is best for Altmer so that they have a massive pool of magicka and recieve mitigation to their weaknesses. Just master alchemy and Restore Magicka potions become easy to make and can restore your entire pool with one potion.) For Bretons, the best birthsign is Apprentice. Yes, this will give them 100% Weakness to Magicka, but you already have a 50% Resistance to Magicka to counter this, and enemies hardly, if ever use Damage and Absorb Health effects anyway, which are the only damage types that Weakness/Resistance to Magicka actually applies to. You only recieve half the weakness, but then you get a whopping 100 more magicka, putting you on the same level as an Altmer with the Mage sign with much less weaknesses.
"If your character has 500 armor rating why would you want a measly 50 points more?" Actually the way the armor curve works is with increasing returns right before the cap. Armor cap is ~567 (depends on how many pieces you're wearing, because wearing an armor piece has a hidden 25 point armor bonus, which is dumb, but anyway), so if you were at 500 armor rating, the last 50 points or so would actually be the most effective points you could add. Take an example, assuming you're not a shield user: You get hit for 100 physical damage by some warhammer power attack. You wear 4 pieces of armor for a displayed armor rating of 500. This gives a damage reduction percentage of 500 x .12 + 3 x 4 = 72%, so that instead you are dealt 28 points of damage. Now you get hit for 100 physical damage by some warhammer power attack while wearing the same 4 pieces of armor for a displayed armor rating of 550. This gives a damage reduction percentage of 550 x .12 + 3 x 4 = 78%, so that you are dealt 22 points of damage. The percent difference between the two hits is: (28-22)/28 * 100 = 21.4%, that is, your armor is 21.4% more effective with that next 50 points. Running the same example for an untempered light armor example of 100 AR vs 150 AR would actually give a percent difference of only 7.9% additional effectiveness. For people playing on higher difficulties and/or with mods that buff enemies, those last few points of armor are extremely important. This isn't an argument for the Lord Stone, however, as if you really need those last few points you should just level smithing and smith better gear. Just a point to remind people about the importance of the last few points of AR.
Heccin nerd. Truth be told, though, this is a very underappreciated comment. Nice maths!
I always use the Lord stone, its really useful since im an Argonian warrior character, and I can use histskin to improve my health regeneration and take reduced damage
One thing WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO CRUSH METAL WHEN YOU COULD CRUSH ENEMIES
You could literally cure cancer or go to Mars, but you use your talents for Skyrim. Legend. I've read stuff about quantum mechanics that wasn't as complex!
I agree with your comment. It is pretty easy to get to the AR cap, so for the most part that extra 50 points is going to be useless. In the early game or if you don’t use smithing. The Lord stone can be very useful. Especially on higher difficulties. That being said. The Atronach has always been my favorite since Morrowind. That hasn’t changed in this iteration of the series.
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I always prefer the stones that give passive bonuses as opposed to the ones that give you an ability that can be used once a day, though this does include the Atronach Stone! I find they're just better overall since you get their bonuses all the time instead of just using a power then having to either wait or sleep til the next day to recharge it, very limited if you ask me compared to the passive stones, especially if you're in the middle of a dungeon and have already used the power.
ye like why the hell would you want to go invisible once a day when you can just get 50+ magicka and cast the spell multiple times?
I agree with this completely although you can actually use the once a days more than once if you put the power on the Aetherial Crown. I still prefer the passives though.
Raven Brown agreed, passive stone should be main with a stone that adds a power held in the aethereal crown
Use atheruim crown take it on and off be invisible all day
I can't agree with you anymore since I've recently finally actually tried out the Ritual Stone after slightly over 1300 hours of playing Skyrim (and never having picked any once-per-day stones). It's not always great, but when it fires, you absolutely annihilate anything in your path, even on legendary difficulty (with survival mode on) - and it's SO MUCH FUN !
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Remember that with 50% spell absorbtion when you shout, it has a 50% chance to not work, when you summon an atronoch it has a 50% chance to not work. Also, if you are a Mage (at a high level) you don't need the spell absorbtion as you should have spells costing barely anything and a huge pool of magicka. 85% magic resistance is better than 100% spell absorbtion because it doesn't affect the spells you can cast. Lord stone forever!
How to break Skyrim: 1. Get the Atronach Stone and perk 2. Get the Necromage perk 3. Become a vampire Congratulations. You now have 100% Spell Absoprtion. Skyrim is an easy enough game to break without the Standing Stones, so I never use them anymore.
Break? That isn't the right word. Abuse maybe but if it's possible in the game then it still really ins't abuse it's just taking advantage of what Bethesda has given you.
but the game caps your magic absorption at 85 %, so no 100%
your order needs to be reversed or you will most likely get a bug. And to Connor, unlike every other magical resistances, only spell absorption has no cap and be boosted past 100%.
On the contrary. The Necromage perk impacts all magical affects on undead, including vampires. The Necromage perk increases things like natural elemental weaknesses and resistances if the player becomes a vampire, and elemental spells will deal more damage to undead opponents. The Atronach Stone and the Atronach Perk from the Alteration tree are affected, boosting the efficacy of the Spell Absorption from each, bringing the Spell Absorption up to 100% if the player becomes a vampire with the Necromage perk. Fire, Frost, Shock and Magic Resistance do however cap at 85%.
Damnit. I just made this comment too. You're right. Vampire necromage with atronach stone & perk is unbeatable. Combine it with the Orc berserker rage or Argonian hitskin racial abilities and ebonyflesh/dragonhide before going into vampire lord form, and you can easily deal with any opponents dealing physical damage too.
In the end it comes down to personal preference
BloodBathGaming Guy Kinda, but the only 2 versatile stone I know of are This and Lady. Everything else is situational or meant for early game.
Not really. I know people who take everything from a dungeon without missing a thing and thus like using the steed stone. I also know other people who like having the powers granted by the shadow, ritual and serpent stones. So really what you said is a bit harsh
BloodBathGaming Guy Harsh? I'm just saying that there are only 2 stones (atronach and lady) that provide solid benefits for a late game character. Serpent isn't better than an infinite charge paralysis weapon, spell, or poison. Tower is only for people who hate locks. Shadow stone is negligible compared to the nightingale power, potions, and spells. Conjurer is fun but situational and system intensive. And none of these should be used as an active stone since Atherium crown makes them infinite use. Warrior, mage, thief, and lover are for leveling only. Steed is ok but only to make money. Lord is slightly inferior to Atronach but I guess after many conversations on this video I accept it as a viable alternative.
Also, keep in mind that magic resist caps at 85% while spell absorption has no cap. A necromage vampire with Antronach Stone and Atronach perk makes you completely immune to any form of magic and allows you to absorb the magicka of any spell cast on you. The downside is that you are also unable to use a lot of spells due to them being absorbed.
Yep. Spell absorption is such an interesting double-edge sword in Skyrim, especially on legendary difficulty: One the one hand, it greatly protects you from some of the deadliest attacks on higher difficulties that you can't simply game-plan around with summons and a follower (since many spells will still zip right past them and even through terrain that you might hide behind), but on the other hand, it prevents the strongest thing you can do on legendary difficulty (until you completely max out all 3 crafting professions): Conjuration. That puts you into a very interesting position, but it also enables some interesting non-summons-based play-styles.
Atronach Stone is only good if you use the unofficial patch, otherwise it can get bugged so you can't cast self-target cloak spells or summon atronachs.
HerpyDerpyDoo11 spell absorb will never stop you from using flesh spells or cloak spells. As for atronarch/ dremora, that is correct but you can still raise the dead and thralls can be stronger that any summon. Also, you can use dead thrall on those two dremora in the shrine of mehrunes dagon. Thralls are better because you can give them legendary enchanted weapons/armor and use them as unlimited storage. The only summon that I use is the ash guardian and that works unlike most other summons. I won't use that patch because it takes away the necromage effect of the atronarch stone which is tremendously stupid. It's like saying I'm undead and have put in the time to grind my restoration and every effect is stronger than me since I'm undead but nope, not that atronarch stone even though it's the most balanced effect when it's effected by necromage since the negative effects are boosted too.
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Good job stealing this comment. I can tell that because your comment has no revelance to the video, thus you just want likes. Next time, make it more believable so people wont think you stole it, do this on another video relating to the joke. Stealing is fine as long as you dont get caught, but you got caught.
"Stealing a comment" Lmao, they're called memes, everyone uses memes.
+The Mechanist I recall memes being funny. I dont find this funny, and before you say I dont have a sense of humor, it is so obvious he stole this comment, it has no relevance to the video, and has no other comment. I appreciate memes and all, but humor can only be achieved at certain times, and this isnt the right time
Just pointing out that it sounds silly to say someone "stole" a comment. It's not like they are some form of private property you can steal from someone lol. But, whatever.
You forgot the ritual stone with the Aetheral crown. This lets you run around with a perma giant necromancer army as reequiping the crown refreshes all standing stone abilities. Being able to kill a dungeon, come out with all the inhabitants, then raid an imperial camp and raise them all too, then a town, then a second town, and basically have over 400 followers is extremely strong.
the apprentice stone, for those who like things brutal
New build: Masochist Mage
Apprentice + Atronach with Aetherium Crown.
Yes that was what my first Breton Mage warrior wore end game on the original.
I actually used that one back when I first played Skyrim. Due to that I was used to not building any health or defense on mages from MOBAs I didn't build any health either. Some time later I discovered the apprentice stone and was pretty much one-shot by spells.
i have had high elf in oblivion with apprentice sign and i understand you feelings :D
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Intelligent and thoughtfully explained. Good job Fudgemuppet!
It should be noted that it's really more like 40% guaranteed magic resistance with the Lord Stone, since there's no reason to not just permentantly get Mara's blessing for an added 15%
For a Warrior, I like the combination of the Atherial Crown with the Lady Stone (+25 Health and Stamina Regen) and the Atronach Stone or Lord Stone.
The steed stone is great for early play for those who want to be heavy armor sneakers. No weight means way less sound, and it replicates a perk in the heavy armor tree way down the line. Plus, it makes armor of the same type that you are wearing in your inventory (say you're wearing dwarven boots: all dwarven boots in your inventory also weight nothing), so it's a nice way to have multiple armor pieces for different needs: boots for pickpocket/locking, another for archery/1-handed, etc. yay exploits ;)
I just use it so I can come out of a dungeon with more stuff to sell.
Such a bad stone lol
kasey demerchant it’s not bad for early game heavy armor users since heavy armor weighs a whole ton and eats your storage until you get the conditioned perk which makes the stone useless.
Wow, this is the earliest I have ever made it to a fudge-muppet video... and on my favourite birthsign no less!
Atronach Stone is also good for sneaky mage, or thief. If you max out the Sneak and have Shadow Warrior, the hidden effect during couching is consider a spell and the Atronach stone effect will absorb some magicka from it by just simply crouching. Spam crouching button will recover your magicka very quickly even when there is enemy nearby.
It’s the best standing stone unless you’re a Breton with the atronach perk and you want to cast conjuration spells. Spell absorption works so well you absorb your own dang spells! Just something to keep in mind. Happened to me today with a mage I was starting to level conjuration with.
How to be a god in skyrim Get atherius crown Get a powerful stone (atronch stone) And second stone of your choice ( I chose steed stone)
Steed stone,a simple stone,for a simple man that uses the werewolf glitch to wear infinite amount of armor with enchantments
Lonefalloutwolf V&G no second stone you want the conjura stone then you can equip and unequip the crown and get the ability to raise all the dead around you
Steed is pretty solid to put on the crown because most people never use it and now it can work as an infinite use carry weight potion.
Lonefalloutwolf V&G I use the crown to get both the lord and the atronach stones. Why choose?
Allen DeWitt putting the Lord on the crown makes the 50 armor pointless because most helmets at end game will give more armor with set bonuses but if you just want magic it is fime.
ill take steady reduction over chance anytime. as much as it is cool , i dont pike it. on another note i love your mage guide. ive allways had trouble woth the stats allocation , but yoi guus helped me out a bunch , thanks
Here's some more content for you:make videos for each standing stone, with advantages/disadvantages, where it is, any exploits that might work with it, and the type of builds that might use that stone. you could even do the all-maker stones
This would be perfect for my pure warrior build based on your colossus! Thanks guys! :)
would be good if it didn't eat your summons
Unofficial patch.
@@DIPTANGSHUMISHRA not a solution.
@@jackrocks8350 When talking about Skyrim, playing at least without the fixes is pretty daunting. So, I do think the patch counts as a valid solution.
@@DIPTANGSHUMISHRA And what of the people without access to that mod? I personally play on PS3, and as such, cannot mod Skyrim, no matter how much I would like to.
I understand that at this point, Skyrim's about as finished as Bethesda is going to be with it, but it certainly would have been nice for Bethesda to have done some bugfixing.
Well if you are playing a vampire, just take time to boost restoration to get the necromage perk that increase your spells against the undead, which includes you (making all your active effects stronger) and take time to get the perks for magic resistance and the atronach perk and stone and you become damn near immune to magic and if you do get hurt it doesnt do much damage. But the drawback is that you cant summon anything besides Bound weapons
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Good points.
I like the ritual stone just go into any dungeon clear out all the draugr's, stack them up and use the ritual stone, instant army.
Also, there is a glitch where if you have the aetherial crown and you just use the ritual stone you can use the power and then take off the crown and put it back on and then you can use the power again,OverPowered.
Yeah ik I believe it was patched by the unofficial skyrim patch mod though
I mean, you don't NEED the patch...
I like it tho gets rid of annoying bugs
I think the Ritual Stone isn't worth it. It would be great if the undead followed you, but since they don't, it's useless for fighting enemies like draugr deathlords because all the enemies you killed can't even find their way to you to back you up.
I always overlooked this stone. Wow! This is a Damn good stone!
WOW! I had no idea that the Atronach Stone worked like that! You guys are right! It makes perfect sense to pick the Atronach Stone over all the others.
lmao im lvl 129 and I still use the Steed Stone
john smith best stone
I use the Lord stone
Wow, this is such a great and informative video about the Atronach stone *proceeds to keep the steed stone and still get over-encumbered at 742 maximum weight*
Even with a pure warrior build, it's still worth it to get and use the healing spell. Health gets low, whip out that spell and heal up a bit. Also, you can get some passive leveling as it goes up. Combined with this standing stone, you could do that a bit more frequently.
Will you guys ever look at dark souls your build video setups would make builds for the game really fun
and this is also why Breton is top tier.
I always went for the Atronach sign for a lot of my more min-maxy characters. It's always a little rough to deal with at first, but it pays off so much at higher levels.
another amazing video guys keep being awesome and hope the new year is treating you all well
also the steed stone is the best because it lets me lug around my collection of useless junk that I've collected for no reason. you never know when your gonna need 437 cups
exactly
You cannot summon atronach, or revive dead but other then this it is a fantastic build.
WTF, I've been watching JoJo videos lately and I thought the atronach was dramatically posing.
Teneban It looks very M E N A C I N G
WAS THAT THE WORK OF AN ENEMY SHOUT ?
Teneban You thought it was the work of an enemy shout...BUT IT WAS ME, THE THALMOR!
Koichi pose
It's worth noting that the Unofficial Skyrim Patch actually fixes the conjuration absorption of the atronach stone and allows you to cast those spells like normal. Since most people using any mods will pick this up too, it allows conjurors to use the stone like anyone else.
In Skyrim, your main priority is to gain as much resistance to magic as you can. In the late game, melee and arrows shouldn't be a problem anymore, but because magic can pierce armor, and they can do a lot of damage, you're going to need a lot of resistance towards spells. Because the Atronach Stone gives you a solid flat 50% resistance, and absorption towards magic with little to no downside, other than 50% less magic regen, this stone is simply the best for late-game Skyrim. Every class and race can benefit from this stone, but I prefer the Breton since he also starts with another 25% magic resistance.
My opinion: aetherial crown with the stored ritual stone. Literally coolest thing ever. I’m a vampire with serana as my only main follower so it’s us and our undead army. It’s awesome to use in the civil war line cuz of the obvious. Then I use azidhal’s ring of necromancy for a big finale. Each your heart out mannimarco! Lol Ps I also like using the albino spider scrolls and have a bunch of the cloaked flame spiders following me... we all look pretty terrifying!
But I need more STUFF. I NEED THAT STONE
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I don't completely agree on all parts but I think it was really well put together and it was a great video. I mean all your videos are but you get where I'm coming from :)
As a Breton you are 25% magic resistant; the Lord stone grants you 25% magic resistance; Alternation can grant you 30% magic resistance; and the Agent of Mara gives you 15% magic resistance. That's 95% magic resistance! Add or enchant a ring with 10%, or more with magic resistance, and you're 110+% magic resistant! Thanks for your advice, FudgeMuppet, but some of us are already experts at Skyrim.
Magic resistance caps at 85%
+Alex da Vinci Magic Resistance caps out at 85%. Even if you have 200% magic resistance the game itself will only recognise 85% magic resistance. Therefore you are still 15% damaged by magic.
FudgeMuppet That's strange. I always equip my followers with a ring of 100 magic resistance and it works for them. I mean, they're 100 magic resistant and they can't be disarmed by Disarm shouts. I never gave myself 100 MR, so I can't be for sure.
Alex da Vinci like they state in this video tho you can get *absorption* to 100% just not resistance, and im pretty sure companions cant be disarmed period or at least of their main personal weapon as that is locked to stay on the character
Get the 85% magic resistance as others have stated is the cap. Then get 85% shock, flame and frost resist as well (all of these are also capped at 85% so don't bother going over it.) This effectively gives 97.75% resistance to magic, close enough.
The Steed is useful for early game heavy armor users, as it allows them to carry more heavy gear when then have little stamima still, it also allows them to have a normal running speed before getting the conditioning (thats the name, right?) perk. Obviously for light armor characters and mages this is irrelevent.
I find the steed stone helpful. it's pretty convenient and helps heavy armor users
Use atronach stone, then ahzidal's gauntlets, then spellbreaker. The stone provides 50% spell absorb, gauntlets weaken wards by 25% but grant them 50% spell absorbtion and spellbreaker emits a ward, which thanks to the gauntlet and stone combo, literally break spells for any character
Because magica regenerates at a reasonable pace anyways. Honestly the perk should just stop regen entirely, therefore making it more balanced.
No that would be ridiculous if you had no regen. Having to carry around a 100 potions just to keep magicka up especially as a pure mage would be stupid.
U guys count on magic regen?just use potions,
Actual that *IS* how it worked in Oblivion. Back when it was a birth sign. It sucked then though.
Not like it wouldnt be managable. If you are playing as a mage anyway, at least one piece of your gear should be magika regen. If you play as a vampire, you fight without any regen in any stats bar when outside during the day except from items and pots. It wouldn't be hard in any respect to have no regen for magika except early levels
Zack Kerber you regenerate twice as fast without the stone so no, that would be stupid. Maybe if you manage to hit 100% that would make a bit of sense but how is giving up regen for the *chance* to absorb magicka balanced?
What about combining both with the Atherial Crown?
Yep,having 50% spell absorption and 25% magic resistance plus being a breton,You can be pretty close to being immune.
@@mastercat6729 and if you use fortify destruction potion while selecting both for an unknown reason you fortify those stones even more, making you literally imune
steed stone is my favorite. exactly like you said in this video lol. Except it's not about 'managing my inventory' I just take lots and lots of stuff.
it's best when combined with the alteration tree perks in skyrim such as absorb spells and such, for me its always my first option since you start encountering mages in midgame.
Except for when you absorb all your summons >.
I find it hard to use conjuration when i have the Atronach stone, think it is because of the spell absorbtion :-/
Aetherial crown + Ritual stone = you can have an army of 30 undead following you for 3 minutes, when they run out remove you crown and put it back on then use the ritual stone again since the bodies don’t turn to ash. Combine this with atronach conjuration, destruction spells, illusion, vampirism and sneak then you’re op. Use vampire lord as a panic button.
Daaam argonian as a warrior looks badass... hope this is a some kind of future build. :)
how bout this: Breton's blood+Lord Stone+ agent of mara+ points to the alteration tree to hit the 85 cap. compensate using 15% elemental resitance to each piece of armor then your all set
Why not get the atherium crown and use both?
Or use one and the Steed Stone. Or perhaps the Lover.
To level up fast I'd use the lover stone and one of the guardian stones
BloodBathGaming Guy Sounds nice in theory but by end game your gear/stats should be able to take care of you. My current build (breton) hit the cap on physical and magical damage and by switching out a chest piece I can use alteration, destruction or conjuration for free. So for my build my circlet is a better option than the aetherium crown but I guess early-mid game that would be a good idea to use both stones or one and a skills boost one.
What level is end game? And I don't like combining mage builds with warrior ones (it's just a personal thing). Also I just like having an extra layer of bulk, even if it does fuck all
BloodBathGaming Guy You wouldn't play a paladin?
I've found out that the Atronach Stone also affects the frostbite spiders poison shot thing, but it sometimes doesn't, even with a Breton with this stone.
If you want to level up up fast get the lover stone to first choose what you want to do then get the Aetherius crown to get the Warrior, Mage, or Thief stone based upon your character to get a 35% boost in experience.
This stone could also be used for a witch hunter
Mr. Frete Could be? No my friend, this is a prerequisites to becoming one!
It's great for tankier builds. Going against mages with sword in one hand and healing in the other.
Why not just use the Athirial crown and have both standing stone abilities
As a vampire I always go for the Lady Stone. I don't use any exploits or abuse any mechanics so having +25% health, stamina and Magicka (added by a few mods) regen is just too good to pass up
Aetherial Crown: *"Why not both?"* (Mexican music plays)
so what about the summoning problem? how can i fix that
People who tend to maximize and optimize tend to call it a bug. Bug or feature? Probably a bug but conjurers are so very powerful this little problem just makes their life more interesting it doesn't hurt them at all. But to actually answer your question: Refering to the list of bugs the USKP or USLEEP mods adressed this issue. So using one of these should help you out. Just don't be to optimistic because it may as well not work. There are many mods out there that simply undo the changes made by those bugfix-mods.
I have 1000+ hours in Skyrim and I always used the steed no matter what
Kelpo Gaming good
Kelpo Gaming Yeah, me too.
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The steed stone is awful, one of its effects are made null by light/heavy armour perks, the other adds carry weight, just buy a house or store stuff in jorrvaskyr, theives guild, the college of winterhold or the dawnstar sanctuary. Or use the black market/butler power summoning a dremora merchant with 2000 gold to sell stuff to or a dremora butler to hold 200 carry weight. Failing that just use a follower
дlfie Bдгг We use it because it’s more utility. Steed Stone lets you get more carry weight and if you loot everything like me it is very useful.
Also with this stone it allows a non magicka user to summon a mount without having to carry an extra piece of gear or to put points into magicka just for that purpose.
Use the Aetherium crown to counteract the Atronach Stone with Apprentice Stone and back forth.
the steed stone is the best
ad Victorian not
ad Victorian it doesn't add any benefits that you can't easily replace with something far superior. Perks can replace 90% of what it does and the carry weight can be replaced with an enchantment or you can use a thrall for unlimited storage. Being the best implies that it actually does something that you couldn't do otherwise.
I only ever use the steed stone too lol. Can't have enough carry weight! Since i collect a lot so it's essential for me. Yes, perks help, like the deep pockets perk but u know wat's better? The steed stone with the perks! Plus i'd rather use the points on other perks instead of having to get to the heavy armor weighs nothing perk. Enchantments are pointless as even though more carry weight would be good, i need enchantments on my items that make me more powerful. Thralls are awful. Companions in general are infuriating as they get in the way & once i did use a thrall it disappeared as it wasn't allowed to enter a certain area. After shrugging it off & a day of playing i realized everyone in the game wouldn't speak to me & give me quests cuss i was 'using dangerous spell' i found out it was a bug as even summoning 2 more thralls or dead wouldn't stop it as i'd have 3 operational in my active efects with 1 being 9999 hours lol, so i had to reload a save before i had the thrall so 'loads wasted ! So no thralls! Solo play it is! Most other stones are pointless as u end up so powerful u don't need the extra help. From around level 50 onwards at least. But in the end there is no best as it depends on each person's use of it.
WatsHisFace I would rather use one fortify carry enchantment and use the atronarch stone and save myself from using magic resist slots. Also I use fortify carry on my boots where my only alternative as a 2nd enchantment are resist magicka or elemental resist which are actually useless to me. I made my character immune to magic without enchantments so I think I can spare one for +carry and still have all of the powerful enchantments. I have never encountered that glitch when using thralls nor has anyone else that I know of encountered it. When you have thralls up, people will tell you to stay away with that dangerous spell but they will still talk to you and give you quests, it's just the annoying dialogue whenever you get close. It is true that thralls will sometimes disappear but a lot of times this is due to user error. Always make sure that your thrall isn't too far before you change cells and when your thrall doesn't following you into a cell, go out the door that you came and it should be there, however "don't exit the cell through a different door that you entered or that thrall will just disappear. When you come to an area where a thrall can't follow, just kill it and then come back when you're done. If a thrall does vanish on you all you need to do is a werewolf/vampire lord transformation or use the whirlwind cloak and they will die instantly whether you can see them or not. Also Thralls can be extremely strong when you choose those that are higher level and smith/enchant their gear and give them legendary weapons combined with call to arms. My thralls can tank and kill dragons for me when I don't feel like doing the work. Also, only 9999 hours? I have 2 that will last me 72496 hours. My last point however is that the atronarch stone surpasses your lvl 50 "usefulness" cap since if you're playing on legendary magic hurts at any level. On legendary a magical attack will drop your health so fast it's ridiculous at any level. I got my Breton to lvl217 and when I take magic absorb off those dragons hurt a lot and this is with 70% magic resistance.
The length of time doesn't matter since watever i did it would be stuck in my active effects. It would not disappear. Regarding the speech, any person i spoke to just spoke about using dangerous spells. It's wat brought it to my attention. When it disappeared i summoned 2 things to kill it then carried on playing as usual until i decided to finally go to the person the quest pointer was telling me. Got to him and he just went on about the spell with no dialog options appearing at all. Since i had no thralls or summons active i looked at active effects and dead thrall was there! Tried everything but it just wouldn't go so i couldn't carry on with the quest. Looked it up and the only cure was reloading a save. But i had already overwritten mosts saves so had to fall back to the previous day! I was devastated! Lmao. Since then i barley use them. If i do i make sure they're dead again before moving on. I don't want to babysit them while they travel with me. Btw this was on PS3 back in 2011.
I still prefer the lord stone for stealthy characters because less rng is more important for them.
Getting hyped for Skyrim Switch!
I've been watching all of your skyrim videos because I'm not into fallout. But I was going to ask if you are going to keep making builds for Special edition and if so I have a cool back story of a character but idk if it will good enough to be put in a video
i thought you guys liked tge lord stone
+Daniel krauselli We do, but we like this one more :)
FudgeMuppet fair enough :3
If you have 80% damage reduction (567 armor rating) does blocking still help you?
josh wring if you have 567 armor rating then you dont need a shield anymore, pick up a second weapon
Duel wield :)
Skyrim isn't a hard game. I've found no reason to min-max after my first playthrough. I always just pick stones for roleplay now.
I think I will go out of whim here and mention you can potentially get both affects of those stones by just getting the aetherium crown or if you want to keep that standing stone and get another one of use it is better off...You would sacrifice the armor rating of the helmet as a warrior, but you can still get the armor fro mthe lord stone and on top of that get the magicka resistance on top. Also it wouldn't matter with a mage and yet for a thief it shows promise to use the aetherium crown to get 2 standing stone affects....I hope this opens up more possibilities.
Thanks guys really helpful
No ... Steed stone best
A.O.T.L Tng Only in the beginning of your game, mate.
A.O.T.L Tng ╰(͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)━☆ﾟ.*･｡ﾟ harry you are a wizard not a steed
Alex da Vinci but seriously though i am a tanky character and i still need a mage type stone?
Harry, you're a lizard.
A.O.T.L Tng I use the Steed stone in the beginning because I always loot the khajit's merchant chests. When I have enough stamina and carrying strength, about 500+, I use the Lord's stone.
On survival mode that reduced magical regen hits hard, 1st teir of tired adds in 40% reduction as well so your magicka regens 90% slower. It barely regens at all at that point without some good gear.
With draugr after a while, they stop using frost spells, and start using shouts, which are don’t get absorbed. Next, conjuration you cast can also be absorbed, so trying to summon something can be stopped, next, not every build needs magic resistance, and it can start to feel OP if you get past about 45%, next, just because something is “a convenience perk” doesn’t mean it is bad. 100 extra weight is much more useful most of the time, when you can’t get to a safe chest to use. Also, the steed stone gives access to the non-weight perks from heavy and light armor
The other thing is that spell absorption + circle of protection causes you to regen tons of magic in combat.
"You must be a bard" - Baurus
You have got me convinced.
That argonian is really cool looking, which of your builds is it? I didn't see it when scrolling through the list
Thank you for clarifying the reasons to use this tone. What level do you consider end game? I recently have gotten into role-playing.
Sorry to necro the thread, but does this stack with a Breton's abilities? Love the videos, helps out lots with figuring builds and crunch.
hi random person looking through the comments, i have some great guides to fast levelling and some other interesting videos, they are a bit different to fudge muppet, but you might still enjoy. great video as always fudge
I like playing as a lightly armored “berserker” orc and I normally swear by the Lord stone. However, now I’m going to have to try out the Atronach to see if it works for me.
Hey fudgeMuppet. You guys should do a video on the aetherium crown
I agree, I've used the Atronach since the beginning.
The word atronach has forever scarred my soul, after innocently choosing it in Morrowind and playing through the whole game
There are couple of things to consider. While I generally agree that Atronach is superior there are some points make for the magic resist. Spell absorption can't be enchanted into items. Magic resist can. And it has good synergy with elemental resistances. The point is - resistance is going to be more valuable for characters with low hitpoints - 80% chance to completely mitigate a spell is nothing if 20% will still kill you. Resistance gives you more reliable reaction window as it diminishes the overall effect. Second point - even mages should generally wear armour. Perks that increase your effectiveness without armour are a waste if you consider the fact that top tier alteration spell forces armour cap anyway, but the point is - casting such spell uses up magicka that could be spent elsewhere. So it is better to have a passive armour cap from armour. On non-breton characters - you can reach 70% magic resist without. This is huge still. And it is still beneficial for a shield-wielding fighter, if you have elemental protection perk, you can further decrease incoming elemental damage by 50%. This nearly completely negates any elemental magic damage. If you manage to cap out both elemental and magic resist - you can negate around 97% of magic damage. Sure, this requires some solid enchanting or item swapping but still. There is also one major downside to spell absorption - it interferes with conjuration.
love the atronach stone for the defense it provides. but at the same time I run a MOD called character creation overhaul with the permanent stone effect on. can choose any that I want but am stuck with that for the whole of the playthrough. I enjoy it more that way.