Since 2008, most NHL Goalies have used white pads. Why all the white, and why it could be a problem, in this edition of District 5. #hockey #nhl #goalies
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What are the best pads you have ever seen? Worst? Weirdest? 🤔 *Side Note: I played goalie once for an end of year practice as a kid. First shot I ever faced was a roughly 70mph (muffin by NHL standards) slap shot to the dome. Couldn't believe how much that hurt lol... You goalies are insane, and I blame any future error in these videos on that shot! 😜
@District5-YT3 ай бұрын
Can’t remember her name but there’s a famous woman goalie with bright blue and pink pads and gloves, always thought they were beautiful. As for the nhl, my fav have to be the dark green flurry pads from the minisoda team
@gizmoegamer44873 ай бұрын
as a Leafs fan I have always loved Potvin's pads and mask.
@mmitnik3 ай бұрын
My favorite were Dan Bouchard when he was in Quebec, white with blue borders kind of. I think he was the first to use white a year or two before Fuhr did in Edmonton. Was Happy when he got traded to Winnipeg for the 1985-86 season, got to keep the pads cause of the same color combo.
@Actionronnie3 ай бұрын
I had my helmet painted like Hayword's as a little kid, Belfour's helmet was classic too. Totally dig Fleury's throw back Stars setup though. But that's largely nostagia of living in MN and playing goalie during the Jon Casey days.
@chuckb77743 ай бұрын
Meh, you get enough pucks off the mask you forget that it hurts. Jokes aside, the masks have improved greatly in my 25 years of playing goal, with my current mask, as long as I don't turn my head and take it off the ear, it's not a problem. Best pads: Roy's and/or Potvin's Worst pads: ALL THE STUPID WHITE ONES Weirdest pads: The ones with the mesh pattern on them.
@2215223 ай бұрын
my real takeaway from this was that, not only does pittsburgh need to give flower a 1 day contract to retire, they have to let him do it in the full yellow pads
@Tyreinn3 ай бұрын
Sorry Flower is ours. ;P
@Mise223 ай бұрын
@@Mise22You ever been in a storm, Wally?
@cjwilliams32963 ай бұрын
@@cjwilliams3296 probably not because i don't understand your question
@Mise223 ай бұрын
@@Mise22I mean, a real storm? Not a thunderstorm, but a storm of fists raining down on your head. Blasting you in the face. Pummeling you in the stomach. Hitting you in the chest so hard you think your heart's gonna stop. You ever been in a storm like that, Wally?
@ziggle50003 ай бұрын
@@ziggle5000 no, why?
@Mise223 ай бұрын
As a goalie myself I think it comes down to confidence. Wearing any pad that makes you feel more confident will make you play significantly better in net. I personally have always liked white pads more than colors. They just feel clean to me. Wearing a black pad would make me feel dirty and lower my confidence in net. Goaltending is a mental game. If I was Fleury and heard my teammates say my pads made me look bigger I would have more confidence and that would likely help my game more than the pads themselves.
@stuckship90593 ай бұрын
I think the idea of black pads would wreak havoc on me since everything in your peripheral vision would be black down low, twitching as you move.
@FischerPrice743 ай бұрын
Well like me I like black pads and I feel like if I get a set I play a bit better Only because think I look cooler with them
@sabertheglaceon2563 ай бұрын
Agreed, I always did all white everything. White mask, white pads, mostly white stick with white tape that I redid religiously.
@gsteezy3927 күн бұрын
Been a goalie for 30 years and have had brown, black, multi-coloured, black and white, and white pads. Now i buy whatever is cheapest and mostly matches that’s pro-level protection, which is usually white and last years model. Brian’s used to send me stuff to try though, which was really nice.
@attananightshadow19 күн бұрын
The color of the pads only matters to the goaltender. If the goalie thinks his pads give him an edge, then he plays like it gives him an edge. Goaltending, especially at the pro-level, is more psychological than anything. If people around the goalie tell him that his gear makes him look big or small, faster or slower, etc and the goalie believes it, then it affects the way he plays. This also goes to goalies mimicking what they see is successful.
@samhatfield77323 ай бұрын
True unless you can see with eyes then color takes an effect on everything from sports to hunting to war. Don’t be a bozo and deny science
@Gixsir3 ай бұрын
@@Gixsir So if the color of goalie gear has a significant effect on goaltending performance, how come it doesn't? The data doesn't support the hypothesis. That's science.
@samhatfield77323 ай бұрын
@@samhatfield7732bros a weirdo NPC bot
@CasuallyCommentingBaseThings3 ай бұрын
When the lower legs, they were discouraging all white goalie gear - they call them "ghosts" and restricted it. The white pads was also in response to the NHL shrinking goalie gear, which fans don't know about - they think players are better scorers They started restricting the size jerseys & masks And that's why we are now importing elephants that can do ballet from Eastern europe. No more Tim Thomas 5 ft 11 Tasmanian devils
@thegulch1780Ай бұрын
@@samhatfield7732 Unless you think they are lying to him, if pens player feel it makes him look bigger, so will players from other teams, affecting their mental game. I could totally see white pads appear bigger.
@Crazyced7 күн бұрын
I read the title of "Does Hockey have a white dad problem?" 🤣🤣🤣 Aside from that initial confusion, very informative and in depth video.
@hckyroxs80193 ай бұрын
Every sport has a "white dad" problem lol.
@drmilogreen63463 ай бұрын
@@drmilogreen6346 I mean, you ain’t lying
@hckyroxs80193 ай бұрын
You two idiots need a room together . To talk about your daddy issues 😂
@Seegster773 ай бұрын
@@hckyroxs8019 I'm sorry, I thought this was America! kzhead.info/sun/nZaznLSGfqeGla8/bejne.html
@grabble76053 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@sydisticsandman3 ай бұрын
Goalie pads are the only hockey equipment where the player can be as creative as they want. Love seeing a sick set of custom pads. Wish more goalies would stray away from boring designs
@MuddyTubMedia3 ай бұрын
Yeah no goalies have custom paint jobs on their helmets 😂
@rossrobertson6743 ай бұрын
@@rossrobertson674 masks*
@MuddyTubMedia3 ай бұрын
I would counter that, for the pros, flex points, stiffness, strapping, and other (internal) specs are more important than the graphic design. Bauer and CCM have digital printing options and some of the goalies take advantage of that, but Vaughn, True, and Brian's do graphics by stitching. I don't think True even offers custom graphics. The fact that graphics add some extra time to produce, if a goalie is in a hurry for gear (because of a trade or unexpected gear breakdown), stock graphics are faster to produce so they can get official KW sign-off/approval from the league sooner and have their gear a few days faster than for custom graphics.
@HotBranch3 ай бұрын
@@HotBranch absolutely true that function is more important than the look. When I said custom pads, I didn’t mean the custom graphics (which are very cool), I was thinking more about the colors on the base design. Instead of all white or 95% white, get some color in there like Thatcher’s Blue and Green set, or Flower’s brown set that he used in Chicago
@MuddyTubMedia3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Goalies are extremely lucky to have this ability, yet everyone opts to wear plain white Bauer or true pads nowadays. Especially in the NHL and pro leagues, don’t ban white pads, but somehow enforce a change.
@MontclairBoontonLineRailfan3 ай бұрын
I started following the NHL 30 years ago and just about all of the top goalies had a distinct, unique look. As a Devils fan, I knew that not only would Martin Brodeur be decked out in Heaton Helites, they'd have graphics reflective of the team. Potvin when he was with the Leafs, CuJo with the Oilers and then the Leafs and Belfour with the Stars not only had some of the best pad designs, they were all color-coordinated! There's not much of that anymore and while a white set of pads and gear can look awfully sharp, they'll never look as cool when compared to what was worn when I was growing up.
@jonathanchin33963 ай бұрын
I feel like this is underrated as well, since hockey wants to keep recruiting the young generation to get into it. The cool pads of the 90s-2000s would be a hit on every social media platform and allow for a potential larger audience base imo.
@kappawhoo3 ай бұрын
I started watching hockey with as a child in the early 80's and seeing the goalie pads go from brown to colored and cusotomized was awesome
@ronfroehlich46973 ай бұрын
Marty had the smallest pads aswell
@badtimingtommy2 ай бұрын
Was thinking this same thing while watching. I still remember Brodeur’s Heaton Helite III’s, and Potvin’s Heaton Pro 90s and then Koho Revolution set up, and Vanbieser’s Brown gear (made around the corner from me). I couldn’t tell you what any of my favourite goalies are wearing today. I just know it’s boring and white, haha.
@brian45111121 күн бұрын
The early Panthers goaltenders, Vanbiesbrouck, Fitzpatrick, Burke, Kidd and Luongo (in the 2000s), they all wore very beautiful combinations of colors. But the hat goes off to Felix Potvin. Every team he played with, he had a beautiful pad to show. His NY Islanders looks was simply the best.
@choppergunner86503 ай бұрын
VanB, Burke and Byron Dafoe always had sick pad combos. Then for the mask it was always Ed Belfour for me, especially his San Jose one. THE BEST.
@randydube14233 ай бұрын
any setup of potvin
@kylefarrell82143 ай бұрын
As a lifelong goalie and a longtime referee, black pads do get you quicker whistles as it is harder to see -- it's also harder for players (and sometimes yourself) to find loose pucks that may not be completely covered. However, at the NHL level, pro players have mastered their shots so well that in many circumstances they're just shooting from muscle memory and what they can see of the red posts, in that sense, white would make the post easily contrast. We are seeing darker pads make a resurgence across the league. Right now, there are quite a few goalies that wear different sets with each uniform, so doing an A/B (same goalie, same team, different color pads) meta analysis might be possible to see if white pads give an advantage once we get enough samples. I do not think it will, you may look bigger, but you are not bigger.
@kylek293 ай бұрын
Funny enough, the issue of every Tom, Dick and Harry having pads that are entirely white, mostly white, or white based is the reason I bought myself an entirely all black setup. My pads are completely black eflex 4s, and I had my white mask painted black to match them. Undoubtedly my favourite setup I've had **I just wanted to edit this to add that I fell in love with solid coloured pads when Brian Elliott wore his completely blue setup with St. Louis in 2016 and then his entirely red setup in Calgary as well
@SaskTransfer3 ай бұрын
I can just imagine how good it looks
@winken18913 ай бұрын
It’s like tape. Some people think black hides the puck better. Some think white tape soaks up more water It’s honestly just personal preference and hockey players being superstitious
@gohabs89183 ай бұрын
@@gohabs8918black tape does actually hide the puck better. I have a goalie friend I asked about it and he says it’s harder with black tape
@lachlanpryznyk33273 ай бұрын
@@lachlanpryznyk3327 I’m a goalie. It doesn’t
@gohabs89183 ай бұрын
Black Pads Matter
@toyotaecw3 ай бұрын
As a beer league goalie, I wear custom pads that are Black and Orange. They look amazing and I would never go to white pads as I like having coloured pads. The downside of custom pads are you cant just go into a store and buy them. Most goalie shops I've been to in the GTA sell 90% white pads, with just a few coloured options and a few pure black options. I understand why, as it's easier to sell a single coloured/shaded pad but it is pretty sad. Honestly though I think the biggest issue are companies are selling only white or black goalie masks. There aren't any companies bringing out their own designs and most people can't afford to get them painted afterwards.
@mmitnik3 ай бұрын
can you fill in for a game for my team this wednesday at 11pm
@lkkjhg453 ай бұрын
@@lkkjhg45Goaile Up has been pretty active for the gta these last few days.
@bobsaget16063 ай бұрын
So true, unless you go custom (and pay way more) it's pretty much white or nothing. It's very annoying, I waited and waited and waited for some all black pads to come in stock at my local store, checking almost every week, eventually my old pads were just so worn out I had to just get a new set, mostly white, not a fan, but I didn't have the money for a custom set.
@2215223 ай бұрын
While you raise some excellent points, as a goalie with over 40 years between the pipes, there are some issues you might have overlooked. As to declining interest in becoming a goalie, I would say that the cost is the single biggest contributor to declining enrollment for the position. I have a friend whose 2 sons are goalies and during their growing teen years, he had at some points SIX full sets of gear in his house because his boys would grown into and out of their gear so quickly. The next contributing factor in the decline in kids wanting to become goalies is that the current mentality is you have to be 6'2" or more so big, lanky kids get a shot at moving up when a smaller, better goalie might be passed over by coaches who prioritize bigger kids in goal. You raised the point that team practices rarely, if ever, focus on what the goalies need, so to get better, the goalie's parents have to spend money on goalie-specific training, which is yet another obstacle to developing goalies. And let's not ignore the mental toll that the position can take on goalies of all ages, but when dealing with young kids, goals are generally blamed on the goalie so only the most mentally resilient kids will not give up. As to the color issue, you missed one point on black vs white tape: for shooters, black tape helps to conceal the puck a fraction of a second longer to make the read a little harder, whereas white tape allows the goalie to see the puck on the blade at all times. For pads, you touched on the point that the NHL is a league where success gets imitated, so the emergence of white (based on scientific advice) became the go-to, and if all- or mostly white gear helps the goalie's confidence, then it is unlikely that the one position where habits/superstition/routine is most dominant is likely to change significantly. Personally, I think masks are the bigger draw to the personality and fascination with goalies, but I developed a fascination and love of the position when it was white masks and brown gear. If dark pads look "slower" and white pads look "faster", then it demonstrates that hockey culture is still predominantly ruled by the "eye test" rather than by actual statistics (regular or advanced), which also explains why taller goalies get drafted rather than shorter goalies--the days of Richter, Vernon, Fuhr, Moog, Irbe, and Vanbiesbrouck (to name only a handful) are basically gone in the NHL. Your snippet from Rask saying how the sticks allow shooters to get so much velocity with minimal effort demonstrates how the NHL allows player gear innovations to advance unfettered, but any advantage a goalie has needs to be dialed back in some way. I get that high scoring games are exciting, but goalie battles can be just as exciting when you actually understand how difficult the game is to play. My final thought is on your A/B comparison of Aiden Hill's stats in white versus gold: the home (gold) games featured more shots per game than the road (white) games. What are the possible explanations for the ~10% increase in shot volume? Better defensive system on the road because of last change? Possibly. Opponents for the home games are higher volume shooting teams? Also possible. Color of the pads showing where the openings are? Also very possible. Pad color does not impact the athlete's ability to stop the puck, but using your own A/B comparison, it would seem that the gold pads encourage opponents to take some extra shots because they see a possible opening in Hill's net coverage. That, or the white pads cause the opposition shooters to reconsider shooting if they can't clearly distinguish between the net and pads. Given how accurate NHL shooters are, you can't discount that color (or lack thereof) can impact a player's decision to shoot or pass based on what they see for a few tenths (or hundredths) of a second.
@HotBranch3 ай бұрын
Your are dead on with the comment about the "eye test". Most coaches have no clue how to evaluate or coach goalies.
@opiewanslightsaber3 ай бұрын
@@opiewanslightsaber Thank you for having read through that brain dump.
@HotBranch3 ай бұрын
The whole point is that (most) kids, (regardless of height, exact age, parents who played, or anything else) like coloured pads more.. Thus are more likely tempted to give them (or the position) a try. Which is needed. I mentioned that NHL players have conflicting opinions on stick tape. Some say white hides the release better, some say black. But it's not a fact either way.. As I said in the video, I realize many players have stated that they do indeed agree with the white pad theory. Whether they do it for mental or statistical reasons, is irrelevant to the question posed.. Goalies won't have a mental breakdown if they have to follow a rule. My only point with Adin Hill in white vs. gold, is that he won, in gold.. And Vegas was still getting great results this season, "letting" him use gold.. So clearly, whatever white offers, isn't THAT big a deal. Besides they all wear coloured pads for "special occasions" anyway. As such, the video argues sacrificing "not a big deal", for more people to like Hockey, and specifically playing goalie.
@District5-YT3 ай бұрын
yeah price is a huge when it comes to parents letting their kids play in net. I think Masks and pads are a big draw when done really well. Potvin was the goalie that inspired me to want to play when I was young, but sadly my parents were worried about being blamed if things went wrong and the price being 2 to 3 times more than player gear. I started playing goal in the 2000s when gear became much cheaper since they manufactured them overseas. The down side was the quality sucked and they didn't really last as long. Gear today is much better than the early 2000s, but the price has gone up quite a bit. If you want brand new mid tier gear your spending at least $3000.
@mmitnik3 ай бұрын
@@District5-YT I guess times have changed because it used to be the uniqueness of the position and what the goalie could do that attracted kids to the position. Next was the mask, but I guess kids' fascination with the position have changed. I would argue that clever designs that inject color on a white pad are just as interesting to look at (and, by your rationale, draw kids to the position) as solid-colored (or non-white) pads. MAF's yellow pads were nothing special outside of the bright yellow base while Driedger's pads are worth a deeper visual dive. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, but if color on pads is what draws kids to try the position, then it's not an NHL issue because the league has shown little more than contempt for the position over the years. Heck, if it IS color that draws them in and that gets smaller kids to the highest levels, then we can get rid of other unwritten rules about who should and shouldn't get a chance at moving up the ranks. But the fact remains that even if color fuels a kid's interest in trying the position, the reality of the cost is the next hurdle to clear and parents aren't always able or willing to make that sacrifice if they are of more modest means.
@HotBranch3 ай бұрын
Great video. Production and tone were top notch...Made me relive my whole hockey childhood! Keep it up!
@bemba1873 ай бұрын
Your next vid should be “Does hockey have a Connor problem?”. Seems like every 3rd player is named Connor.
@BeerLeagueGoalieGodfather3 ай бұрын
I remember when this transition happened I was in Minor midget actually looking to get new pads. I saw the premier ii in yellow and wanted them so badly because of Fleury. But my father didn't agree and actually forced me to get black ones, as they were at the time the more prolific colour way. Looking back I still wish I had gone with them over the black ones for the style points for sure.
@ZigzwagProps3 ай бұрын
I got the yellow ones and it was so fucking worth it
@nofuturestudios3 ай бұрын
@@nofuturestudios I ended up going with the xpulse instead, they were very nice pads but I always hated the catch gloves. I got a set of revokes after that and they really made me regret getting xpulse over premier
@ZigzwagProps3 ай бұрын
I don’t know how goalies don’t want colored pads. That’s all I’ve wanted since I started playing the position
@user-xf7jb6pm4i3 ай бұрын
I remember back in the day it was a big thing that fleury finally came into his own once he ditched the bright yellow pads he started off with in Pittsburgh. I always loved the gear marc came into the league with but it made sense how it made the holes in your positioning more visible
@Somethingsomethingmorbid3 ай бұрын
when you play for multiple teams, its just easier. I think silver or tan would work just as well as white though.
@tommywd403 ай бұрын
Because they are ACTUALLY good players and know their SKILL is what people are coming for. It you are so simple minded to think "Oooh, pretty colors", then you are not only NOT an athlete, but also someone they don't even give a fuck to have a a fan.
@FUGP723 ай бұрын
@@FUGP72 just a fun personal thing to have custom colored pads lol nothing about being skilled or not
@user-xf7jb6pm4i3 ай бұрын
This is the real answer. All white is the only color that works with basically any teams colors and uniforms. Even all black can look bad against navy blue or brown pants.
@impulse_xs3 ай бұрын
Been a fan of Marc-Andre for a long time even when he beat my Red Wings in 09 nothing but respect to one of the greatest.
@yoimstewy3 ай бұрын
Man i think you covered everything on this, really good video, i had to sub !
@CSIS253 ай бұрын
I Love Aidan Hill’s Pad set up so much because it just looks great. Like how the white gloves for away games, and dark gloves for home that Vegas wore for there home jerseys until 2021. It just looks awesome, and if you look good, you play good. Some of the best goalies of all time have had fantastic pad set ups, and I think it’s just a matter of mentality. When Fleury was in Vegas rocking the all gold pads he was unstoppable and it coasted him to a Veznia and deep play off runs. Fleury loves colored pads, and because of that fact when he wears them he rules. If you look at Andrei Vasilevskiy’s pads he’s almost always in all white with blue highlights, and they look pretty sick, and he seems to like his pads, he looks good, and there for he plays good. If you look down the list of the greatest goalies in the NHL right now, all of them have great pad set ups. Hellebuyck, Swayman, Demko, Igor, Logan Thompson, etc. It probably actually dose have something to do with color theory and how it works, but it could equally show that when a goalie likes the pads they wear, and the pads look good, they are gonna play better
@noahmajors1263 ай бұрын
Dude your videos are legit, definitely my favorite hockey vids on KZhead
@dylanpedersen1243 ай бұрын
I wore red and black pads when I played youth hockey. I hated the mostly white look.
@ahmeeklegend73933 ай бұрын
This is one of the coolest and most interesting videos I’ve seen in a long time. Amazing work my friend!!
@georgies10633 ай бұрын
As an old-timer I too enjoy seeing some variety in pads. For me I play in black RBKs pads and blocker/trapper. Shooters aren't snipers and refs are half blind, so any possibility of a quick whistle, as I'm desperately scrambling for the puck, is a good thing 🙄Im surprised that with advancements in tech, that a pad company, making rec-hockey pads, hasn't adopted some hook-&-loop surface in key (non ice-contact areas) where customized colour pieces couldn't be slapped on. If you look at the disk on a circular sander, the stuck on sand paper is not coming off. Pads could be all white but somewhat customizable to match team uniforms
@WowRixter3 ай бұрын
Well there are Pad Skinz which is effectively just sheets of coloured tape (made of faux leather pad material) for decorating your gear. That's basically what you're talking about. No need for velcro. I've never used it myself, but I've thought about it.
@nuynobi3 ай бұрын
This video is so interesting and so well done. Subscribed. Onto the rest of the channel!
@noisepoIIution3 ай бұрын
I grew up watching Felix Potvin and the Leafs in the early and Mid 90's...absolutely loved the blue with the white claw on the bottom.
@BillyMenno3 ай бұрын
This is a good video with a surprising amount of different perspectives!!!! You including the conversation of how kids play is both wholesome and insightful. Your jokes are very funny, they fit the tone if your video well. I really enjoyed this, I’ll sub and look forwards to more content from you!
@sannabo12483 ай бұрын
“And that kid, was Marc-Andre Fleury… nahh, just kidding” 😅 that fucking sent me!!!😂
@aidanwotherspoon9053 ай бұрын
I don't like white pads, but I don't think banning them is the answer. I just wish more goalies would use colors. Scott Wedgewood always had great pads and I was really sad to see him go mostly white this season
@v1__rotate3 ай бұрын
Those Checkers pad were lit back in the day... Those flames from the dragon back in his Calgary days was where i became a fan! I wish he was as effective as he was fun to watch!
@v4v8193 ай бұрын
man this was such a good video, easiest subscribe in a while! keep it up mate!
@chacardi3 ай бұрын
such a good video man keep up the good work
@Baxset3 ай бұрын
Patrick Roy absolutely was using his pads to bait shooters to go five hole. They were used in conjunction with his "post to post" technique and it changed the game
@johnawrey55823 ай бұрын
very well made and researched video, great content! Keep it up man!
@germanpancake883 ай бұрын
There's push and pull to both black/coloured or white equipment. At the end of the day it all comes down to preference as to which a goalie uses. Just as an example, I have black pads for the early whistles, but white gloves to make them look bigger.
@Skoden743 ай бұрын
This video was so well done! 🔥🙌
@MeSoOnFire3 ай бұрын
My favourite goalie when I was young was Cam Ward because I always loved his icebergs
@icyedits6863 ай бұрын
I refuse to own pads/gloves without some form of color/design that covers at least 50% of the surface. The most ironic part of the NHL goalies lack of personality in their gear now, is that their helmets have gone too far in the other direction, and are an unintelligible mess of overly detailed air brushing that no one can tell what the painting is of.
@41Nizmo3 ай бұрын
Agreed! Put the colour complexity in the pads, go with a white mask simple design
@thebigpicture20323 ай бұрын
Felix Potvin had some of the coolest pads back in the late 90s 🙌
@nbarealtalker3 ай бұрын
Yup they did stand out he was good in Vancouver
@johntitorii66763 ай бұрын
Loved watching this , keep up the good work
@noteriknagy3 ай бұрын
Love the videos man, keep up the good work!
@jetpackercod13 күн бұрын
I'm surprise no goalie tried something crazy like crease blue at the bottom, red stripe in the middle and white at the top to "camouflage" the pads in the crease
@farmerlalande3 ай бұрын
This brought back a memory of me going into player editor whatever it was and changing flury's pads back to yellow lololololol. I was going to say that there is more colour today than there was in 2008
@Woody107193 ай бұрын
Great video brother! Loved the background track too!
@the-line-of-eld3 ай бұрын
I hadn't noticed the league shift towards all white pads until it was pointed out to me, but now that it has been I realize how much I miss the fun colourful pads. Philipp Dietl's pads this year in the 2024 world juniors for team Germany were amazing and I want to see more outstanding designs like that in the NHL!
@vrasz91143 ай бұрын
I grew up playing goalie when Fleury was wearing yellow pads. My first real set of gear was a mix of black, white and silver Reebok Premier Series 1. My pads and blocker were black/white/silver but my glove was white/black/silver. I thought I was so cool. But I got new gear in maybe 2007 or 2008 and at first, I wanted the black CCM Vector set, but once I realized everyone had them, I decided I needed an all-white set. I ended up getting all white Reebok Premier Series 2 glove and blocker and white/white/silver pads (I should've gone with the white/white/black, but that's a story for another day). I think all the NHL goalies at the time were going to white, so I just decided I had to have white. A few years later when Revoke came out, I really wanted an all-white set, but I quit hockey before I ever got new pads again. I'm always thinking what pads I would wear if I was playing now, and the last 6 or 7 years I've thought I'd probably go full color mode like Brian Elliott.
@ktcottrell3 ай бұрын
In my highest voice possible.... "it's only hockey, it's only game, why you have to be mad?"
@brianhildreth90993 ай бұрын
This was a really good video man. The cool pads on TV made me think wanna play goalie, and I still want to in beer league one day. Awesome video
@GetstolkedYugioh3 ай бұрын
Never got the white pad craze. My high school team’s colors were black and gold, my pads were black and gold. Looked great with the uniforms.
@TylerJohnstonGuitar3 ай бұрын
Awesome video dude. You truly deserve more subs. Heres a sub on your journey to more!
@Madlux143 ай бұрын
Flower has the best smile. You can't help but just feel good when you see the guy😊
@philly75583 ай бұрын
Great video. As a long time Kings fan, I appreciate that flash of Robb Staubers four kings pillows.
@richardburns16983 ай бұрын
Yeah in the early 2000s, they started restricting white jerseys, all white goalie gear because it turned them into ghosts. Then they tried these painting patterns like Patrick Roy, turning their gear into optical illusions, and refs were complaining they couldn't see the puck and then they started requiring team colors. Which was very expensive with all the goalie gear changes as it was they were not allowed to play unless they had their team colors on their pads Gary Bettman wanted higher scoring goals, so he's been shrinking the gear. And fans are not aware of it. They actually thought hockey players suddenly became better scorers.
@thegulch1780Ай бұрын
White pads sucks they take personalized look out of it. When Corey Crawford switched from white pads to black pads the Black pads looked so much nicer with the Blackhawks uniform. I'm glad Mrazek wears black at home with the Blackhawks and he has his better number at home in the black pads than his road white pads.
@WindyCityHawkey3 ай бұрын
Player in one of the college and men's leagues by me got custom bright highlighter yellow pads and said it distracted players. He had a 97% save rate across 2000 shots, so it seemed to work. I can say that scorekeeping and watching the games, it was distracting. Another kid had red pads that matched the bars, and he said it made players nervous about whether they were shooting close to the bars or right at his pads. He was also a great goalie.
@TheGreatChrisB3 ай бұрын
Crispiest 360 p photage 😂
@andrewparsons32773 ай бұрын
Quality is never an accident; it is always the result of intelligent effort.
@user-rb7nk5bg9xАй бұрын
Hoping you blow up my guy! This was a great video! I was here in the beginning! See you at 170k from 170 lol
@MrHazz03 ай бұрын
Freddy Andersen wore black pads with the Canes stadium series uniforms and occasionally at other times throughout the season. He already wears pretty small pads for his size but I couldn't help but think he did look at lot smaller, no matter how good they looked
@alanvanasch47933 ай бұрын
Great video. You earned a new subscriber here!
@rinforthewin-ks1vk3 ай бұрын
Subbed. Need more hockey content!
@cjwilliams32963 ай бұрын
Funny that you uploaded this vid when i recently updated my pads to be more white as well LOL
@jamesdiato3 ай бұрын
Side note: I was a huge Martin Brodeur fan. Saw a million of his games. While watching this video, I was racking my brain but couldn’t remember what his pads ever looked like.
@billcook47683 ай бұрын
mandella effect
@kylefarrell82143 ай бұрын
"You know who else wears white? Most of the goalies who have had awful seasons." Ha! I like the variety offered by colored pads but I can't fault goalies for looking for any advantage they can get (even if it's not real). They are under immense pressure to always be as close to perfect as possible. Nice video. I subscribed.
@EricAdamsYT3 ай бұрын
Hey man, been watching through your back catalogue and I'm glad the algorithm picked this one up, you're doing great work! The only thing I kinda dislike is how loud the background music can get compared to your voice.
@atenzan29083 ай бұрын
It took me too long to realize that the ceiling hadn't been painted to look like the sky.
@user-pl7xd6dd3dАй бұрын
Colored/designed pads are indeed much more enjoyable to see. I never considered that I kept noticing, but putting off the fact that I kept seeing stark white pads and thought how weird it was.
@FullMastFlex3 ай бұрын
My first pads were those Itech Profile 4.8s, blue and black with the stars on. I grew up in the UK where there was minimal NHL coverage at the time but I remember seeing Byron Dafoe wear them with the Bruins. Aside from those crazy Brian's designs that were also really expensive, they were definitely the oddest pads as
@stuartsaint45813 ай бұрын
When I was in highschool, one of my favorite memories was picking up my custom set of brians pads, in black.
@MitchelWhite3 ай бұрын
Ullmark had an awesome setup when he first came to Boston. White and black with a silhouette of the Boston skyline on them.
@JD23_3 ай бұрын
Patrick Roy was incredible. Glad I got to watch him play.
@J.C...3 ай бұрын
this is amamzing video and probably the best endorsement of "look good, play good"
@mohedaicebear2 ай бұрын
INTSA SUB, love the quality
@ABetcetera3 ай бұрын
Trevor Kidd is single handedly responsible for 1) my getting into hockey over any other sport 2) becoming a lifelong goalie fan 3) playing goalie when I played briefly as a kid, and more. His pads were unlike anything else in the league, not only the flame pattern but the yellow, and then he outdid himself in Carolina. Shame he wasn't actually a better goalie. I have never understood why more goalies didn't use Brian's pads, I would have killed to wear totally custom pads. The plain solid colours are just so boring. What's better than a 5 bell save? A 5 bell save with cool looking gear. Gonna miss flower stealing the show with his moves and his gear. Bless Aden Hill for keeping the spirit alive. Maybe there will be a resurgence eventually.
@ArtemisCreates3 ай бұрын
Thank you for researching this, great video, been wondering about this for a while! Best pads: Keri Lehtonen's pads with the Thrashers, he had some good sets
@ratboy717Ай бұрын
The Canucks have also had white pad rules in recent years. Their goalie coach Ian Clark does not allow goalies to have anything but white pads. I guess he made some exception for Casey DeSmith's black skate setup though.
@ktcottrell3 ай бұрын
Loved Luongos blue and green Canucks set up. Definitely not a huge fan off all white or mostly white gear
@kohlchambers2173 ай бұрын
The first NHL goalie I remember wearing exclusively white pads was Kari Takko for the Minnesota North Stars in the late 80s. Then came Tommy Soderstrom a few years later.
@erich26263 ай бұрын
I was subscriber number 885 before this channel blew up. Excellent stuff.
@acemaneuvers75753 ай бұрын
So glad you covered this. Goalies, more than anyone else, seem to follow trends. They went from masks to birdcages to the hybrids they all wear now. They wore the all-brown pads for decades until Billy Smith started wearing colored ones and soon all-brown pads were gone. I feel like this is another trend however I could see how white or all-white could cause some difficulty spotting five hole openings. Btw, did Roy really handle the puck all the way to center ice in a real game?? That's just wild!
@anthonyriche5523 ай бұрын
Yes, he also got pissed when play was blown down when he crossed centre ice. I guess he didn’t know it was a rule. Quite funny
@gage20403 ай бұрын
@@gage2040 Really?? Classic Roy. I didn't know there was a rule against that either. He got quite the welcome back in Montreal tonight.
@anthonyriche5523 ай бұрын
@@anthonyriche552 yes he did, thankful we beat him in the return tho.
@gage20403 ай бұрын
The evolution of masks isn’t goalies blindly “following trends”. It’s the evolution of safety equipment and masks becoming more protective.
@impulse_xs3 ай бұрын
liked ryan millers goathead colored koho pads. but always wanted to do that scheme with reebok premier 2 pads.
@stevenseibel92163 ай бұрын
Petr Mrazek on the Blackhawks also has 2 sets: black pads for home games & mostly white for away. He doesn't have great stats but w/o him Hawks would be even worse. The Marty Turco green pads were pretty cool IIRC.
@Rambo_Florian3 ай бұрын
you need to post more vids, there so good!!!!!
@ydorb71802 ай бұрын
I remember not liking when Fleury switched, I wear bright yellow ones myself. But I didn't think of it too much until the PWHL, and I love their goalie pads, they're super bright and team coloured and just look sick. So it kind of does make me hope that returns to the NHL at some point.
@EnderSword3 ай бұрын
Ive played goalie since I was 8 years old, the thing that got me into it was that I always thought the pads look so cool, my favorite were the vaughn iceberg ones which were also my first set that I ever got. Currently ive got a set of all black which i got because I was a huge crawford fan when he played haha
@Strive_133 ай бұрын
Nice presentation. Good luck with the channel.
@scottnahler40273 ай бұрын
I played beer league for a year before covid (wish I could get back into it but Covid shut down my rink ☹) and I have solid black pads. I've always loved the way black pads look, and I don't care about whatever minimal disadvantage they might be, black pads rule 😊
@sTEALtooth3 ай бұрын
Your videos are very well made 👍
@cal83622 ай бұрын
The reason minor hockey is having trouble finding goalies is you have to be at least 6'-5" to make the NHL. Parents are already reluctant due to the cost but when you look at your family and the average height is less than 6' for most of its members being a goalie to go anywhere may not be a good idea.
@thelaymaneveryman3 ай бұрын
I vividly remember spending hours on NHL games customizing crazy looking pads and wishing I could wear them in an actual game. I still play goalie to this day and going into my last year of junior eligibility next year
@zacharyharnish-pl3sr3 ай бұрын
To me as a goalie, the idea of looking bigger makes sense but it feels like i get further out and harder to save shots, even then the change doesnt change anything so i would rather just have some character on the ice and when you feel better on the ice your gonna play better
@The.Dsilexick.Dilldo3 ай бұрын
I have had pads of all sorts of different colors and in the future if I get a new set I'm probably going to go with solid black weave. My current solid white weave which is okay but I think solid black weave looks amazing.
@TranslatedAssumption3 ай бұрын
The Bryzgalov clip gets me every time
@hannahbowman60583 ай бұрын
honestly seeing any of the goalie equipment worn by starters when i was a kid in the early 2000s brings back so much nostalgia, its crazy. there were a lot of unique designs and damn did it make the game look even cooler. btw, in the description, you mean "edition" not "addition" ^^ nice vid tho!
@fuzzspanden3 ай бұрын
10 years old Adin Hill at the end was just perfect are you a poet
@KoldLokk3 ай бұрын
It isn't just the pads, it's the masks. Goalies used to have distinct mask art that they kept with them regardless of what team they played for... thinking back not even that long ago, like Nabokov and Kiprusoff... The cool mask design was like their trademark... and it's what inspired me to become a goalie myself.
@xbreadkat3 ай бұрын
Mask designs used to be really out there. There are cool masks today, but I find the designs are usually pretty homogenous. You've got all the team colors represented, maybe some art or graphics, but they're small/on the backplate so you don't even really see them, and the designs on the front of the mask just don't pop as much as they used to. Cujo and Brodeur had some cool ones, I'm a flames fan so Kiprusoff had some cool ones. And if you didn't have a badass mask you wore a player bucket like Osgood or Hasek. There was just more character. I lived in Ottawa for awhile and I always liked how Lalime would have Marvin the Martian on his mask somewhere. Goalies still do that, put personalized graphics that mean something to them, but as I said, they're not usually prominent
@nathanbrisebois87563 ай бұрын
if you wanted a larger sample size Mike Smith had used dark home and white away sets for the majority of seasons from 2014 - 2021 (i think in the covid season he wore only white though) check out his home and road splits
@christiankristalyn653 ай бұрын
As a goalie, I absolutely agree that I did it at first because I thought the pads were cool, I wanted a cool painted helmet and I liked being different as it was the only position you could be unique! I was a huge Roy and Cujo fan. I think one of the biggest things holding back youth goalies are parents. For some reason parents don't want their kids to be goalies. Could be the cost, could be their own personal anxiety and stress in watching them play goalie, I'm not sure. My youngest wants to be a goalie and I'm all for it. Luckily the association my sons play for here in MN provide free goalie gear, if you want it, through bantams and a free 1 hour goalie clinic every Sunday night. I also volunteer with a couple other ex goalie dads to be goalie coaches at the mite and squirts level. That said I love all the cool stuff they can do with the new pads and the sublimation and pad wrap!
@cglasford113 күн бұрын
482 subscribers? You about to blow up, son!
@BadEnergyJohn3 ай бұрын
As a center I can 100000% confirm that the white mini wheats make the five hole look deceivingly large
@teddypeterson89803 ай бұрын
I think elaborate personalized pads can make goalies appear more self assured and therefore more imposing to shooters
What are the best pads you have ever seen? Worst? Weirdest? 🤔 *Side Note: I played goalie once for an end of year practice as a kid. First shot I ever faced was a roughly 70mph (muffin by NHL standards) slap shot to the dome. Couldn't believe how much that hurt lol... You goalies are insane, and I blame any future error in these videos on that shot! 😜
Can’t remember her name but there’s a famous woman goalie with bright blue and pink pads and gloves, always thought they were beautiful. As for the nhl, my fav have to be the dark green flurry pads from the minisoda team
as a Leafs fan I have always loved Potvin's pads and mask.
My favorite were Dan Bouchard when he was in Quebec, white with blue borders kind of. I think he was the first to use white a year or two before Fuhr did in Edmonton. Was Happy when he got traded to Winnipeg for the 1985-86 season, got to keep the pads cause of the same color combo.
I had my helmet painted like Hayword's as a little kid, Belfour's helmet was classic too. Totally dig Fleury's throw back Stars setup though. But that's largely nostagia of living in MN and playing goalie during the Jon Casey days.
Meh, you get enough pucks off the mask you forget that it hurts. Jokes aside, the masks have improved greatly in my 25 years of playing goal, with my current mask, as long as I don't turn my head and take it off the ear, it's not a problem. Best pads: Roy's and/or Potvin's Worst pads: ALL THE STUPID WHITE ONES Weirdest pads: The ones with the mesh pattern on them.
my real takeaway from this was that, not only does pittsburgh need to give flower a 1 day contract to retire, they have to let him do it in the full yellow pads
Sorry Flower is ours. ;P
@@Mise22You ever been in a storm, Wally?
@@cjwilliams3296 probably not because i don't understand your question
@@Mise22I mean, a real storm? Not a thunderstorm, but a storm of fists raining down on your head. Blasting you in the face. Pummeling you in the stomach. Hitting you in the chest so hard you think your heart's gonna stop. You ever been in a storm like that, Wally?
@@ziggle5000 no, why?
As a goalie myself I think it comes down to confidence. Wearing any pad that makes you feel more confident will make you play significantly better in net. I personally have always liked white pads more than colors. They just feel clean to me. Wearing a black pad would make me feel dirty and lower my confidence in net. Goaltending is a mental game. If I was Fleury and heard my teammates say my pads made me look bigger I would have more confidence and that would likely help my game more than the pads themselves.
I think the idea of black pads would wreak havoc on me since everything in your peripheral vision would be black down low, twitching as you move.
Well like me I like black pads and I feel like if I get a set I play a bit better Only because think I look cooler with them
Agreed, I always did all white everything. White mask, white pads, mostly white stick with white tape that I redid religiously.
Been a goalie for 30 years and have had brown, black, multi-coloured, black and white, and white pads. Now i buy whatever is cheapest and mostly matches that’s pro-level protection, which is usually white and last years model. Brian’s used to send me stuff to try though, which was really nice.
The color of the pads only matters to the goaltender. If the goalie thinks his pads give him an edge, then he plays like it gives him an edge. Goaltending, especially at the pro-level, is more psychological than anything. If people around the goalie tell him that his gear makes him look big or small, faster or slower, etc and the goalie believes it, then it affects the way he plays. This also goes to goalies mimicking what they see is successful.
True unless you can see with eyes then color takes an effect on everything from sports to hunting to war. Don’t be a bozo and deny science
@@Gixsir So if the color of goalie gear has a significant effect on goaltending performance, how come it doesn't? The data doesn't support the hypothesis. That's science.
@@samhatfield7732bros a weirdo NPC bot
When the lower legs, they were discouraging all white goalie gear - they call them "ghosts" and restricted it. The white pads was also in response to the NHL shrinking goalie gear, which fans don't know about - they think players are better scorers They started restricting the size jerseys & masks And that's why we are now importing elephants that can do ballet from Eastern europe. No more Tim Thomas 5 ft 11 Tasmanian devils
@@samhatfield7732 Unless you think they are lying to him, if pens player feel it makes him look bigger, so will players from other teams, affecting their mental game. I could totally see white pads appear bigger.
I read the title of "Does Hockey have a white dad problem?" 🤣🤣🤣 Aside from that initial confusion, very informative and in depth video.
Every sport has a "white dad" problem lol.
@@drmilogreen6346 I mean, you ain’t lying
You two idiots need a room together . To talk about your daddy issues 😂
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Goalie pads are the only hockey equipment where the player can be as creative as they want. Love seeing a sick set of custom pads. Wish more goalies would stray away from boring designs
Yeah no goalies have custom paint jobs on their helmets 😂
@@rossrobertson674 masks*
I would counter that, for the pros, flex points, stiffness, strapping, and other (internal) specs are more important than the graphic design. Bauer and CCM have digital printing options and some of the goalies take advantage of that, but Vaughn, True, and Brian's do graphics by stitching. I don't think True even offers custom graphics. The fact that graphics add some extra time to produce, if a goalie is in a hurry for gear (because of a trade or unexpected gear breakdown), stock graphics are faster to produce so they can get official KW sign-off/approval from the league sooner and have their gear a few days faster than for custom graphics.
@@HotBranch absolutely true that function is more important than the look. When I said custom pads, I didn’t mean the custom graphics (which are very cool), I was thinking more about the colors on the base design. Instead of all white or 95% white, get some color in there like Thatcher’s Blue and Green set, or Flower’s brown set that he used in Chicago
Totally agree. Goalies are extremely lucky to have this ability, yet everyone opts to wear plain white Bauer or true pads nowadays. Especially in the NHL and pro leagues, don’t ban white pads, but somehow enforce a change.
I started following the NHL 30 years ago and just about all of the top goalies had a distinct, unique look. As a Devils fan, I knew that not only would Martin Brodeur be decked out in Heaton Helites, they'd have graphics reflective of the team. Potvin when he was with the Leafs, CuJo with the Oilers and then the Leafs and Belfour with the Stars not only had some of the best pad designs, they were all color-coordinated! There's not much of that anymore and while a white set of pads and gear can look awfully sharp, they'll never look as cool when compared to what was worn when I was growing up.
I feel like this is underrated as well, since hockey wants to keep recruiting the young generation to get into it. The cool pads of the 90s-2000s would be a hit on every social media platform and allow for a potential larger audience base imo.
I started watching hockey with as a child in the early 80's and seeing the goalie pads go from brown to colored and cusotomized was awesome
Marty had the smallest pads aswell
Was thinking this same thing while watching. I still remember Brodeur’s Heaton Helite III’s, and Potvin’s Heaton Pro 90s and then Koho Revolution set up, and Vanbieser’s Brown gear (made around the corner from me). I couldn’t tell you what any of my favourite goalies are wearing today. I just know it’s boring and white, haha.
The early Panthers goaltenders, Vanbiesbrouck, Fitzpatrick, Burke, Kidd and Luongo (in the 2000s), they all wore very beautiful combinations of colors. But the hat goes off to Felix Potvin. Every team he played with, he had a beautiful pad to show. His NY Islanders looks was simply the best.
VanB, Burke and Byron Dafoe always had sick pad combos. Then for the mask it was always Ed Belfour for me, especially his San Jose one. THE BEST.
any setup of potvin
As a lifelong goalie and a longtime referee, black pads do get you quicker whistles as it is harder to see -- it's also harder for players (and sometimes yourself) to find loose pucks that may not be completely covered. However, at the NHL level, pro players have mastered their shots so well that in many circumstances they're just shooting from muscle memory and what they can see of the red posts, in that sense, white would make the post easily contrast. We are seeing darker pads make a resurgence across the league. Right now, there are quite a few goalies that wear different sets with each uniform, so doing an A/B (same goalie, same team, different color pads) meta analysis might be possible to see if white pads give an advantage once we get enough samples. I do not think it will, you may look bigger, but you are not bigger.
Funny enough, the issue of every Tom, Dick and Harry having pads that are entirely white, mostly white, or white based is the reason I bought myself an entirely all black setup. My pads are completely black eflex 4s, and I had my white mask painted black to match them. Undoubtedly my favourite setup I've had **I just wanted to edit this to add that I fell in love with solid coloured pads when Brian Elliott wore his completely blue setup with St. Louis in 2016 and then his entirely red setup in Calgary as well
I can just imagine how good it looks
It’s like tape. Some people think black hides the puck better. Some think white tape soaks up more water It’s honestly just personal preference and hockey players being superstitious
@@gohabs8918black tape does actually hide the puck better. I have a goalie friend I asked about it and he says it’s harder with black tape
@@lachlanpryznyk3327 I’m a goalie. It doesn’t
Black Pads Matter
As a beer league goalie, I wear custom pads that are Black and Orange. They look amazing and I would never go to white pads as I like having coloured pads. The downside of custom pads are you cant just go into a store and buy them. Most goalie shops I've been to in the GTA sell 90% white pads, with just a few coloured options and a few pure black options. I understand why, as it's easier to sell a single coloured/shaded pad but it is pretty sad. Honestly though I think the biggest issue are companies are selling only white or black goalie masks. There aren't any companies bringing out their own designs and most people can't afford to get them painted afterwards.
can you fill in for a game for my team this wednesday at 11pm
@@lkkjhg45Goaile Up has been pretty active for the gta these last few days.
So true, unless you go custom (and pay way more) it's pretty much white or nothing. It's very annoying, I waited and waited and waited for some all black pads to come in stock at my local store, checking almost every week, eventually my old pads were just so worn out I had to just get a new set, mostly white, not a fan, but I didn't have the money for a custom set.
While you raise some excellent points, as a goalie with over 40 years between the pipes, there are some issues you might have overlooked. As to declining interest in becoming a goalie, I would say that the cost is the single biggest contributor to declining enrollment for the position. I have a friend whose 2 sons are goalies and during their growing teen years, he had at some points SIX full sets of gear in his house because his boys would grown into and out of their gear so quickly. The next contributing factor in the decline in kids wanting to become goalies is that the current mentality is you have to be 6'2" or more so big, lanky kids get a shot at moving up when a smaller, better goalie might be passed over by coaches who prioritize bigger kids in goal. You raised the point that team practices rarely, if ever, focus on what the goalies need, so to get better, the goalie's parents have to spend money on goalie-specific training, which is yet another obstacle to developing goalies. And let's not ignore the mental toll that the position can take on goalies of all ages, but when dealing with young kids, goals are generally blamed on the goalie so only the most mentally resilient kids will not give up. As to the color issue, you missed one point on black vs white tape: for shooters, black tape helps to conceal the puck a fraction of a second longer to make the read a little harder, whereas white tape allows the goalie to see the puck on the blade at all times. For pads, you touched on the point that the NHL is a league where success gets imitated, so the emergence of white (based on scientific advice) became the go-to, and if all- or mostly white gear helps the goalie's confidence, then it is unlikely that the one position where habits/superstition/routine is most dominant is likely to change significantly. Personally, I think masks are the bigger draw to the personality and fascination with goalies, but I developed a fascination and love of the position when it was white masks and brown gear. If dark pads look "slower" and white pads look "faster", then it demonstrates that hockey culture is still predominantly ruled by the "eye test" rather than by actual statistics (regular or advanced), which also explains why taller goalies get drafted rather than shorter goalies--the days of Richter, Vernon, Fuhr, Moog, Irbe, and Vanbiesbrouck (to name only a handful) are basically gone in the NHL. Your snippet from Rask saying how the sticks allow shooters to get so much velocity with minimal effort demonstrates how the NHL allows player gear innovations to advance unfettered, but any advantage a goalie has needs to be dialed back in some way. I get that high scoring games are exciting, but goalie battles can be just as exciting when you actually understand how difficult the game is to play. My final thought is on your A/B comparison of Aiden Hill's stats in white versus gold: the home (gold) games featured more shots per game than the road (white) games. What are the possible explanations for the ~10% increase in shot volume? Better defensive system on the road because of last change? Possibly. Opponents for the home games are higher volume shooting teams? Also possible. Color of the pads showing where the openings are? Also very possible. Pad color does not impact the athlete's ability to stop the puck, but using your own A/B comparison, it would seem that the gold pads encourage opponents to take some extra shots because they see a possible opening in Hill's net coverage. That, or the white pads cause the opposition shooters to reconsider shooting if they can't clearly distinguish between the net and pads. Given how accurate NHL shooters are, you can't discount that color (or lack thereof) can impact a player's decision to shoot or pass based on what they see for a few tenths (or hundredths) of a second.
Your are dead on with the comment about the "eye test". Most coaches have no clue how to evaluate or coach goalies.
@@opiewanslightsaber Thank you for having read through that brain dump.
The whole point is that (most) kids, (regardless of height, exact age, parents who played, or anything else) like coloured pads more.. Thus are more likely tempted to give them (or the position) a try. Which is needed. I mentioned that NHL players have conflicting opinions on stick tape. Some say white hides the release better, some say black. But it's not a fact either way.. As I said in the video, I realize many players have stated that they do indeed agree with the white pad theory. Whether they do it for mental or statistical reasons, is irrelevant to the question posed.. Goalies won't have a mental breakdown if they have to follow a rule. My only point with Adin Hill in white vs. gold, is that he won, in gold.. And Vegas was still getting great results this season, "letting" him use gold.. So clearly, whatever white offers, isn't THAT big a deal. Besides they all wear coloured pads for "special occasions" anyway. As such, the video argues sacrificing "not a big deal", for more people to like Hockey, and specifically playing goalie.
yeah price is a huge when it comes to parents letting their kids play in net. I think Masks and pads are a big draw when done really well. Potvin was the goalie that inspired me to want to play when I was young, but sadly my parents were worried about being blamed if things went wrong and the price being 2 to 3 times more than player gear. I started playing goal in the 2000s when gear became much cheaper since they manufactured them overseas. The down side was the quality sucked and they didn't really last as long. Gear today is much better than the early 2000s, but the price has gone up quite a bit. If you want brand new mid tier gear your spending at least $3000.
@@District5-YT I guess times have changed because it used to be the uniqueness of the position and what the goalie could do that attracted kids to the position. Next was the mask, but I guess kids' fascination with the position have changed. I would argue that clever designs that inject color on a white pad are just as interesting to look at (and, by your rationale, draw kids to the position) as solid-colored (or non-white) pads. MAF's yellow pads were nothing special outside of the bright yellow base while Driedger's pads are worth a deeper visual dive. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, but if color on pads is what draws kids to try the position, then it's not an NHL issue because the league has shown little more than contempt for the position over the years. Heck, if it IS color that draws them in and that gets smaller kids to the highest levels, then we can get rid of other unwritten rules about who should and shouldn't get a chance at moving up the ranks. But the fact remains that even if color fuels a kid's interest in trying the position, the reality of the cost is the next hurdle to clear and parents aren't always able or willing to make that sacrifice if they are of more modest means.
Great video. Production and tone were top notch...Made me relive my whole hockey childhood! Keep it up!
Your next vid should be “Does hockey have a Connor problem?”. Seems like every 3rd player is named Connor.
I remember when this transition happened I was in Minor midget actually looking to get new pads. I saw the premier ii in yellow and wanted them so badly because of Fleury. But my father didn't agree and actually forced me to get black ones, as they were at the time the more prolific colour way. Looking back I still wish I had gone with them over the black ones for the style points for sure.
I got the yellow ones and it was so fucking worth it
@@nofuturestudios I ended up going with the xpulse instead, they were very nice pads but I always hated the catch gloves. I got a set of revokes after that and they really made me regret getting xpulse over premier
I don’t know how goalies don’t want colored pads. That’s all I’ve wanted since I started playing the position
I remember back in the day it was a big thing that fleury finally came into his own once he ditched the bright yellow pads he started off with in Pittsburgh. I always loved the gear marc came into the league with but it made sense how it made the holes in your positioning more visible
when you play for multiple teams, its just easier. I think silver or tan would work just as well as white though.
Because they are ACTUALLY good players and know their SKILL is what people are coming for. It you are so simple minded to think "Oooh, pretty colors", then you are not only NOT an athlete, but also someone they don't even give a fuck to have a a fan.
@@FUGP72 just a fun personal thing to have custom colored pads lol nothing about being skilled or not
This is the real answer. All white is the only color that works with basically any teams colors and uniforms. Even all black can look bad against navy blue or brown pants.
Been a fan of Marc-Andre for a long time even when he beat my Red Wings in 09 nothing but respect to one of the greatest.
Man i think you covered everything on this, really good video, i had to sub !
I Love Aidan Hill’s Pad set up so much because it just looks great. Like how the white gloves for away games, and dark gloves for home that Vegas wore for there home jerseys until 2021. It just looks awesome, and if you look good, you play good. Some of the best goalies of all time have had fantastic pad set ups, and I think it’s just a matter of mentality. When Fleury was in Vegas rocking the all gold pads he was unstoppable and it coasted him to a Veznia and deep play off runs. Fleury loves colored pads, and because of that fact when he wears them he rules. If you look at Andrei Vasilevskiy’s pads he’s almost always in all white with blue highlights, and they look pretty sick, and he seems to like his pads, he looks good, and there for he plays good. If you look down the list of the greatest goalies in the NHL right now, all of them have great pad set ups. Hellebuyck, Swayman, Demko, Igor, Logan Thompson, etc. It probably actually dose have something to do with color theory and how it works, but it could equally show that when a goalie likes the pads they wear, and the pads look good, they are gonna play better
Dude your videos are legit, definitely my favorite hockey vids on KZhead
I wore red and black pads when I played youth hockey. I hated the mostly white look.
This is one of the coolest and most interesting videos I’ve seen in a long time. Amazing work my friend!!
As an old-timer I too enjoy seeing some variety in pads. For me I play in black RBKs pads and blocker/trapper. Shooters aren't snipers and refs are half blind, so any possibility of a quick whistle, as I'm desperately scrambling for the puck, is a good thing 🙄Im surprised that with advancements in tech, that a pad company, making rec-hockey pads, hasn't adopted some hook-&-loop surface in key (non ice-contact areas) where customized colour pieces couldn't be slapped on. If you look at the disk on a circular sander, the stuck on sand paper is not coming off. Pads could be all white but somewhat customizable to match team uniforms
Well there are Pad Skinz which is effectively just sheets of coloured tape (made of faux leather pad material) for decorating your gear. That's basically what you're talking about. No need for velcro. I've never used it myself, but I've thought about it.
This video is so interesting and so well done. Subscribed. Onto the rest of the channel!
I grew up watching Felix Potvin and the Leafs in the early and Mid 90's...absolutely loved the blue with the white claw on the bottom.
This is a good video with a surprising amount of different perspectives!!!! You including the conversation of how kids play is both wholesome and insightful. Your jokes are very funny, they fit the tone if your video well. I really enjoyed this, I’ll sub and look forwards to more content from you!
“And that kid, was Marc-Andre Fleury… nahh, just kidding” 😅 that fucking sent me!!!😂
I don't like white pads, but I don't think banning them is the answer. I just wish more goalies would use colors. Scott Wedgewood always had great pads and I was really sad to see him go mostly white this season
Those Checkers pad were lit back in the day... Those flames from the dragon back in his Calgary days was where i became a fan! I wish he was as effective as he was fun to watch!
man this was such a good video, easiest subscribe in a while! keep it up mate!
such a good video man keep up the good work
Patrick Roy absolutely was using his pads to bait shooters to go five hole. They were used in conjunction with his "post to post" technique and it changed the game
very well made and researched video, great content! Keep it up man!
There's push and pull to both black/coloured or white equipment. At the end of the day it all comes down to preference as to which a goalie uses. Just as an example, I have black pads for the early whistles, but white gloves to make them look bigger.
This video was so well done! 🔥🙌
My favourite goalie when I was young was Cam Ward because I always loved his icebergs
I refuse to own pads/gloves without some form of color/design that covers at least 50% of the surface. The most ironic part of the NHL goalies lack of personality in their gear now, is that their helmets have gone too far in the other direction, and are an unintelligible mess of overly detailed air brushing that no one can tell what the painting is of.
Agreed! Put the colour complexity in the pads, go with a white mask simple design
Felix Potvin had some of the coolest pads back in the late 90s 🙌
Yup they did stand out he was good in Vancouver
Loved watching this , keep up the good work
Love the videos man, keep up the good work!
I'm surprise no goalie tried something crazy like crease blue at the bottom, red stripe in the middle and white at the top to "camouflage" the pads in the crease
This brought back a memory of me going into player editor whatever it was and changing flury's pads back to yellow lololololol. I was going to say that there is more colour today than there was in 2008
Great video brother! Loved the background track too!
I hadn't noticed the league shift towards all white pads until it was pointed out to me, but now that it has been I realize how much I miss the fun colourful pads. Philipp Dietl's pads this year in the 2024 world juniors for team Germany were amazing and I want to see more outstanding designs like that in the NHL!
I grew up playing goalie when Fleury was wearing yellow pads. My first real set of gear was a mix of black, white and silver Reebok Premier Series 1. My pads and blocker were black/white/silver but my glove was white/black/silver. I thought I was so cool. But I got new gear in maybe 2007 or 2008 and at first, I wanted the black CCM Vector set, but once I realized everyone had them, I decided I needed an all-white set. I ended up getting all white Reebok Premier Series 2 glove and blocker and white/white/silver pads (I should've gone with the white/white/black, but that's a story for another day). I think all the NHL goalies at the time were going to white, so I just decided I had to have white. A few years later when Revoke came out, I really wanted an all-white set, but I quit hockey before I ever got new pads again. I'm always thinking what pads I would wear if I was playing now, and the last 6 or 7 years I've thought I'd probably go full color mode like Brian Elliott.
In my highest voice possible.... "it's only hockey, it's only game, why you have to be mad?"
This was a really good video man. The cool pads on TV made me think wanna play goalie, and I still want to in beer league one day. Awesome video
Never got the white pad craze. My high school team’s colors were black and gold, my pads were black and gold. Looked great with the uniforms.
Awesome video dude. You truly deserve more subs. Heres a sub on your journey to more!
Flower has the best smile. You can't help but just feel good when you see the guy😊
Great video. As a long time Kings fan, I appreciate that flash of Robb Staubers four kings pillows.
Yeah in the early 2000s, they started restricting white jerseys, all white goalie gear because it turned them into ghosts. Then they tried these painting patterns like Patrick Roy, turning their gear into optical illusions, and refs were complaining they couldn't see the puck and then they started requiring team colors. Which was very expensive with all the goalie gear changes as it was they were not allowed to play unless they had their team colors on their pads Gary Bettman wanted higher scoring goals, so he's been shrinking the gear. And fans are not aware of it. They actually thought hockey players suddenly became better scorers.
White pads sucks they take personalized look out of it. When Corey Crawford switched from white pads to black pads the Black pads looked so much nicer with the Blackhawks uniform. I'm glad Mrazek wears black at home with the Blackhawks and he has his better number at home in the black pads than his road white pads.
Player in one of the college and men's leagues by me got custom bright highlighter yellow pads and said it distracted players. He had a 97% save rate across 2000 shots, so it seemed to work. I can say that scorekeeping and watching the games, it was distracting. Another kid had red pads that matched the bars, and he said it made players nervous about whether they were shooting close to the bars or right at his pads. He was also a great goalie.
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Hoping you blow up my guy! This was a great video! I was here in the beginning! See you at 170k from 170 lol
Freddy Andersen wore black pads with the Canes stadium series uniforms and occasionally at other times throughout the season. He already wears pretty small pads for his size but I couldn't help but think he did look at lot smaller, no matter how good they looked
Great video. You earned a new subscriber here!
Subbed. Need more hockey content!
Funny that you uploaded this vid when i recently updated my pads to be more white as well LOL
Side note: I was a huge Martin Brodeur fan. Saw a million of his games. While watching this video, I was racking my brain but couldn’t remember what his pads ever looked like.
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"You know who else wears white? Most of the goalies who have had awful seasons." Ha! I like the variety offered by colored pads but I can't fault goalies for looking for any advantage they can get (even if it's not real). They are under immense pressure to always be as close to perfect as possible. Nice video. I subscribed.
Hey man, been watching through your back catalogue and I'm glad the algorithm picked this one up, you're doing great work! The only thing I kinda dislike is how loud the background music can get compared to your voice.
It took me too long to realize that the ceiling hadn't been painted to look like the sky.
Colored/designed pads are indeed much more enjoyable to see. I never considered that I kept noticing, but putting off the fact that I kept seeing stark white pads and thought how weird it was.
My first pads were those Itech Profile 4.8s, blue and black with the stars on. I grew up in the UK where there was minimal NHL coverage at the time but I remember seeing Byron Dafoe wear them with the Bruins. Aside from those crazy Brian's designs that were also really expensive, they were definitely the oddest pads as
When I was in highschool, one of my favorite memories was picking up my custom set of brians pads, in black.
Ullmark had an awesome setup when he first came to Boston. White and black with a silhouette of the Boston skyline on them.
Patrick Roy was incredible. Glad I got to watch him play.
this is amamzing video and probably the best endorsement of "look good, play good"
INTSA SUB, love the quality
Trevor Kidd is single handedly responsible for 1) my getting into hockey over any other sport 2) becoming a lifelong goalie fan 3) playing goalie when I played briefly as a kid, and more. His pads were unlike anything else in the league, not only the flame pattern but the yellow, and then he outdid himself in Carolina. Shame he wasn't actually a better goalie. I have never understood why more goalies didn't use Brian's pads, I would have killed to wear totally custom pads. The plain solid colours are just so boring. What's better than a 5 bell save? A 5 bell save with cool looking gear. Gonna miss flower stealing the show with his moves and his gear. Bless Aden Hill for keeping the spirit alive. Maybe there will be a resurgence eventually.
Thank you for researching this, great video, been wondering about this for a while! Best pads: Keri Lehtonen's pads with the Thrashers, he had some good sets
The Canucks have also had white pad rules in recent years. Their goalie coach Ian Clark does not allow goalies to have anything but white pads. I guess he made some exception for Casey DeSmith's black skate setup though.
Loved Luongos blue and green Canucks set up. Definitely not a huge fan off all white or mostly white gear
The first NHL goalie I remember wearing exclusively white pads was Kari Takko for the Minnesota North Stars in the late 80s. Then came Tommy Soderstrom a few years later.
I was subscriber number 885 before this channel blew up. Excellent stuff.
So glad you covered this. Goalies, more than anyone else, seem to follow trends. They went from masks to birdcages to the hybrids they all wear now. They wore the all-brown pads for decades until Billy Smith started wearing colored ones and soon all-brown pads were gone. I feel like this is another trend however I could see how white or all-white could cause some difficulty spotting five hole openings. Btw, did Roy really handle the puck all the way to center ice in a real game?? That's just wild!
Yes, he also got pissed when play was blown down when he crossed centre ice. I guess he didn’t know it was a rule. Quite funny
@@gage2040 Really?? Classic Roy. I didn't know there was a rule against that either. He got quite the welcome back in Montreal tonight.
@@anthonyriche552 yes he did, thankful we beat him in the return tho.
The evolution of masks isn’t goalies blindly “following trends”. It’s the evolution of safety equipment and masks becoming more protective.
liked ryan millers goathead colored koho pads. but always wanted to do that scheme with reebok premier 2 pads.
Petr Mrazek on the Blackhawks also has 2 sets: black pads for home games & mostly white for away. He doesn't have great stats but w/o him Hawks would be even worse. The Marty Turco green pads were pretty cool IIRC.
you need to post more vids, there so good!!!!!
I remember not liking when Fleury switched, I wear bright yellow ones myself. But I didn't think of it too much until the PWHL, and I love their goalie pads, they're super bright and team coloured and just look sick. So it kind of does make me hope that returns to the NHL at some point.
Ive played goalie since I was 8 years old, the thing that got me into it was that I always thought the pads look so cool, my favorite were the vaughn iceberg ones which were also my first set that I ever got. Currently ive got a set of all black which i got because I was a huge crawford fan when he played haha
Nice presentation. Good luck with the channel.
I played beer league for a year before covid (wish I could get back into it but Covid shut down my rink ☹) and I have solid black pads. I've always loved the way black pads look, and I don't care about whatever minimal disadvantage they might be, black pads rule 😊
Your videos are very well made 👍
The reason minor hockey is having trouble finding goalies is you have to be at least 6'-5" to make the NHL. Parents are already reluctant due to the cost but when you look at your family and the average height is less than 6' for most of its members being a goalie to go anywhere may not be a good idea.
I vividly remember spending hours on NHL games customizing crazy looking pads and wishing I could wear them in an actual game. I still play goalie to this day and going into my last year of junior eligibility next year
To me as a goalie, the idea of looking bigger makes sense but it feels like i get further out and harder to save shots, even then the change doesnt change anything so i would rather just have some character on the ice and when you feel better on the ice your gonna play better
I have had pads of all sorts of different colors and in the future if I get a new set I'm probably going to go with solid black weave. My current solid white weave which is okay but I think solid black weave looks amazing.
The Bryzgalov clip gets me every time
honestly seeing any of the goalie equipment worn by starters when i was a kid in the early 2000s brings back so much nostalgia, its crazy. there were a lot of unique designs and damn did it make the game look even cooler. btw, in the description, you mean "edition" not "addition" ^^ nice vid tho!
10 years old Adin Hill at the end was just perfect are you a poet
It isn't just the pads, it's the masks. Goalies used to have distinct mask art that they kept with them regardless of what team they played for... thinking back not even that long ago, like Nabokov and Kiprusoff... The cool mask design was like their trademark... and it's what inspired me to become a goalie myself.
Mask designs used to be really out there. There are cool masks today, but I find the designs are usually pretty homogenous. You've got all the team colors represented, maybe some art or graphics, but they're small/on the backplate so you don't even really see them, and the designs on the front of the mask just don't pop as much as they used to. Cujo and Brodeur had some cool ones, I'm a flames fan so Kiprusoff had some cool ones. And if you didn't have a badass mask you wore a player bucket like Osgood or Hasek. There was just more character. I lived in Ottawa for awhile and I always liked how Lalime would have Marvin the Martian on his mask somewhere. Goalies still do that, put personalized graphics that mean something to them, but as I said, they're not usually prominent
if you wanted a larger sample size Mike Smith had used dark home and white away sets for the majority of seasons from 2014 - 2021 (i think in the covid season he wore only white though) check out his home and road splits
As a goalie, I absolutely agree that I did it at first because I thought the pads were cool, I wanted a cool painted helmet and I liked being different as it was the only position you could be unique! I was a huge Roy and Cujo fan. I think one of the biggest things holding back youth goalies are parents. For some reason parents don't want their kids to be goalies. Could be the cost, could be their own personal anxiety and stress in watching them play goalie, I'm not sure. My youngest wants to be a goalie and I'm all for it. Luckily the association my sons play for here in MN provide free goalie gear, if you want it, through bantams and a free 1 hour goalie clinic every Sunday night. I also volunteer with a couple other ex goalie dads to be goalie coaches at the mite and squirts level. That said I love all the cool stuff they can do with the new pads and the sublimation and pad wrap!
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As a center I can 100000% confirm that the white mini wheats make the five hole look deceivingly large
I think elaborate personalized pads can make goalies appear more self assured and therefore more imposing to shooters