New UniFi Dream Machine Pro Max - First Look & Performance Tests!
In this video we take a look at a brand new product from Ubiquiti - The UniFi Dream Machine Pro Max. This is essentially an upgraded version of the regular UDM Pro but with more memory, a more powerful CPU for better IDS/IPS throughput, 2.5GbE WAN port and the ability to install redundant hard drives for UniFi protect.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:05 - Unboxing
03:05 - Upgrades over the UDM-Pro
10:28 - Hard Drive RAID Configuration
14:01 - Performance Testing
18:41 - Conclusion
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Who do they think they are, Apple? Stupid product name.
There is no excuse for not having 8x 2.5gbe ports at this price point. This is way out to lunch.
Cisco has 20k$ Gateways with Gigabit.
Not only have they named it after an iPhone, they’ve had review embargoes like it too 😂 my stream suddenly having three reviews of this in it, but I’ll watch yours first Cameron.
Ubiquiti is basically run by former Apple engineers, so ...
@@Felix-ve9hs Yeah I know but it's still funny how they are copying Apple in some ways.
I'm so confused, They removed the POE because it's designed for larger setup. But added a extra drive? In a larger setup you will have a separate NVR, either Unifi or more likely whatever vendor is specified by the customer. Also if the switch had a larger pipe to CPU and POE I could see it as a useful NVR replacement/all in one box. As it is, It's a 10Gb SFP router for larger environments, with a NVR and switch for a small environment strapped to it. Love your videos in general, but this device is not useful to me.
Great video as always Cameron 👍 Probably a dreamer but I was hoping for an improvement over the 1GbE switch, even to 2.5GbE would've been a nice step up for us home users (with PoE too). Also seeing more devices supporting 2.5GbE lately, even my monitor (with integrated hub) supports it!
Say your ISP gives you 2gbit bandwidth with that new WAN port. You can’t actually access more than 1gbit of that using the built in 1gbit switch since the uplink is a single 1gbit to CPU. So you MUST buy a second switch. Can you see why this is in fact bad? It’s not “absolutely fine”. Or maybe you put a file server on the 10gbit SFP port. Same issue.
Don't get me wrong, a higher speed uplink from the internal switch or 2.5gbit LAN ports would be nice, but I imagine that this was all considered by Ubiquiti when designing the product but was deemed not to be worth the additional cost based on the target market. Realistically this device is aimed more towards large scale networks that are going to need significantly more than 8 ports. While 2.5gbit LAN ports would be nice for sure, I imagine the subset of customers who have multi-gig WAN connections but don't have a requirement for additional switches is somewhat small. Of course there's also the option of having the integrated gigabit switch uplinked to the CPU at a higher speed while maintaining the gigabit downstream ports, but then you're still only really targeting people who have a multi-gig connection and are happy with only being able to get a maximum of 1gbps on each individual device. Also, with the way that these are architected internally, you wouldn't really want to have a file server on one of the SFP+ ports and then your clients on the internal switch ports as all of that traffic then needs to be forwarded by the CPU which isn't ideal irrespective of the speed of the link between the switch chip and the CPU. Of course the CPU is no slouch but in that sort of setup you really should be using a dedicated switch so that all of the traffic is being handled by a switch ASIC. My comments around it being "absolutely fine" was more in reference to when the UDMs first came out and there was a complete mess of people misunderstanding the architecture and incorrectly referring to the integrated switch as having "1 gigabit of switching capacity" and then essentially saying that it should never be used. I was basically meaning that the integrated ports are "absolutely fine to use" as long as you're aware that it's uplinked to the CPU at gigabit.
Any chance of some inter-vlan performance testing? I believe the UDM-Pro didn't get anywhere near 10gbps for layer 3 routing between two different vlans, would be interesting to see how much uplift we get for the clock speed increase on the CPU
Would love to see some videos on peplink devices, very few units have features like bonding and that level of multi wan connections Great video as always Cameron!
The industry has solved lockable power plugs decades ago, but Ubiquiti had to go and make a proprietary cable. That kind of Apple like thinking is something holding me back from using them for anything but APs
Nice, I dropped Unifi several years for Ruijie Reyee networks. Now with new Unifi gear, I may give them a second look.
Quite a bit more expensive than both the UDM Pro and SE. Doesn't make sense to not have PoE at that price point imo. It's just an upgraded SE with some cost cutting.
why PoE on UDM ?? I don't understand.. you should connect PoE switch. does really router and firewall must to have PoE ?? please explain me my confusing...
Timely video... thinking about what networking options I have for my new place.
I’m looking forward the G5 PTZ
Will you be installing this in a friend’s network or something Cameron? It’d be great to see another install video
I'll probably end up hanging onto these for the foreseeable so that I can use them to test other UniFi features/products (I have a second for testing high availability, video coming soon.) However, on the install front, can't say too much right now since stuff is still very much up in the air but if all goes to plan there should be an absolute tonne of install content coming up over the summer!
hmm.. interesting.. but question how many cameras can it support with those two drives ? For example if i use two 10tb drives in raid 1?
UniFi have a capacity calculator here: ui.com/cloud-gateways/resource-calculator. It only shows the regular UDM Pro/SE for now so the Pro Max would either be the same or slightly higher when it comes to camera capacity. In terms of storage, larger drives won't let you run more cameras - they'll just give you longer recording times. If you're needing serious camera capacity then you'd probably still need to go for a dedicated NVR, but a UDM should be more than enough for an average home/small business camera setup.
Nice one Cameron. And you only called the UDM-SE the “UDM Pro SE” ten times. 😂
Openreach has launched 1.8 Gbps on premises with full fibre I think EE are the only ones offering the speed of 1.6 Gbps. But the Openreach ONT has a 2.5 Gbps rj45 port. So when you get upgraded to full fibre/fibre to the home if you haven’t already you should be able to take advantage of the 2.5Gbps WAN port on the UDM pro max.
Now if they can just fix the software... Traffic stats being the main one. In the almost 3 years I've had my UDM Pro they've never been correct. Upload stats are generally almost correct. Example, download can maintain a 1.2gbps download speed. UDM Pro reports no more than around 100mbps or so. Tired of having to have an OPNsense box as a bridge between my modem and UDM Pro just to see traffic stats. Otherwise the hardware itself is great!! Just wish it was all 2.5G ethernet ports though.
0:52 Seconds in.... this is exactly what I have been waiting for to replace my home networking infrastructure!
sadly most UK devices seem to come with EU plugs....my UDM SE certainly did
I will be stickling with my UDM PRO SE. No reason to upgrade fro home users IMHO.
The UDM Pro Max is a great upgrade home lab router/firewall, nothing more.
Aw man, was hoping it also had PoE. Neat feature to have another hard drive, but only RAID 1 is kinda boring.
Has the pppoe been fixed with the higher cpu clock speed?
What is this issue?
Interesting they sent you a pre-release review unit considering you've published videos clearly stating you've ditched unifi gear.
If anything it's a good sign where they'll continue to work with channels that don't exclusively fanboy over their gear. I still really like UniFi stuff and regularly recommend and install it, I just wanted to try something different for home to ensure I was being balanced and trying out other options on the market rather than focussing almost exclusively on UniFi like a lot of other channels do.
Now we need "UniFi Dream Machine Pro Max Ultra".
and the Unifi Dream Machine Studio
Afther ugreen nas, now it is udmpro max. What that says ? Same review on 5 diffrent chanels.
They reached out to KZhead users to offer them to review, but associated a press embargo with them. Many tech KZheadrs would then upload their videos as private videos and schedule them for the 'on embargo until…' date instead of applying a time offset.
All they had to do is get rid of HDD al together and change the CPU for a 8 core.
Not sure what removing the HDD bays would do? They're required if you want to use it as an NVR with UniFi Protect.
@@camerongray1515 Removed the POE because it's professional grade hardware, where there will be dedicated POE switch. Well, in a professional environment, there will be a dedicated NVR anyway then. So why not offset the cost and upgrade the CPU. Overclocking a CPU doesn't really bring much to the table.
Reviews like this shows me I made the correct decision to ditch ubiquiti over a decade ago
Smaller channels got "only" one? 😊
I have another and will be releasing a dedicated video on Automatic Shadow Mode shortly 😉. I was just very tight for time over the weekend so had to keep this one short!
@@camerongray1515 cool!
Does not seem to be a worth while upgrade over the PRO or SE tbh, no poe (again) and only 5Gb/s on the IDS/IPS so not worth it for someone daft enough to have 10big ones coming into that wan SFP. The PRO and SE are happy with what most of us can get from out FTTP suppliers (1Gb's in the UK maybe going up slightly in the near future), inter Vlan speeds would be interesting though. Cant say the doubling of the hard drives is a big "win" for the money either. Seems like half a step forward - now if it could do 10Gb/s with the toys on.....
Their next version is pro max ++ with 4 ssd , this is just sad man , 1 extra hdd , that toon alot of years to add it to the unused space, other than that 1000 more clients ? Its a sad upgrade that dont deserve the “ max” title
too bad it doesn't do poe
Turns out it's actually the same CPU 🙄
Also, there is no UDM Pro SE in existence, what the f. are you referring to?
I meant the UDM SE, didn't realise it didn't have "Pro" in the name, hardly the mistake of the century!
@@camerongray1515 Yep, hardly the mistake of the century, but a mistake nonetheless. Thanks for clarifying.
Everybody makes mistakes...
@@camerongray1515 Yes you do, but you still get paid.
@@camerongray1515 Yes you do.
advice to future - a little bit slower talking please
I wonder who is going to buy this without POE but 2 drive bays, makes no sense...
Deployments of any reasonable size will have dedicated switches which will also handle PoE whereas the dual drive bays would be useful for environments where they want to run Protect on the UDM but also want RAID. The PoE on the SE is great but only really a selling point for small environments where 8 PoE ports is enough, this is targeting much larger deployments.
Please could you test the through put from your isp ? This would give us unlucky people using fttp via pppoe a better idea. ATM an aging cheap draytek can out perform a udm pro.
Please talk a bit faster, I actually can still understand some sentences.
I literally watch Cameron’s videos primarily for the speed he talks. I can’t stand KZheadrs who drag out every sentence to make their videos longer. I usually end up watching those on 2x playback speed.
@@rickwookie Well ok, you do you. My simple problem is that the content is pretty great. I usually have no problem at all watching series or movies in English as a non-native, but these videos here give me a really hard time. And please don't tell me I do not have to watch them. For the content I want to watch them, but it is really exhausting, I have to backtrack multiple times in every video and re-listen.
@@erazorCTFChange the playback speed to slower? Use the subtitle feature? Both?
@@rickwookie I think that Cameroon should speak slower,