The END of Sony's SPIDER-MAN UNIVERSE?! More BAD NEWS For SPUMC
This could be the end of Sony's Spider-Man universe of Marvel Characters, or the SPUMC. After Madame Webb flopped at the box office and now Kraven the hunters release date has been changed, things aren't look good for Venom 3 and the Spider-Man universe that Sony has made with Venom, Madame Webb, Morbius and Kraven soon. Sony is at risk of losing their Spider-Man universe as fans are fed up with their latest Spiderman films and want the rights to Spider-Man and Spider-man characters to go back to Marvel Studios but will that ever happen? We breakdown if Sony could let Marvel Studios use the Spider-Man characters they own in the MCU and if the Sony Spider-verse is about to end.
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Sony should just let the MCU have free use of all Spider-Man characters and just collect a check from Disney.
that wont work
@Michael-Gaming-6009 Agreed. That would be a terrible move on Disney behalf as they would essentially allow Sony to hold them hostage whenever they wanted. They barely get along with using SpiderMan as Sony keeps trying to tell them what to do. Sony has to have a hit with Venom 3 or Kraven or their SpiderMan universe is dead. Every bomb they release lowers the sale price that Disney would pay to buy them out.
@@Michael-Gaming-6009it would work if those morons would actually make good films. Sony is completely backwards on how comic stories work. If it makes great money, and people like it- anything is possible.
@@Michael-Gaming-6009….for Sony. They must have some type of arrangement for the rights for movie development,not character loan\licensing. If they don’t abide by that,they risk losing the property to Marvel.
Facts!!
Marvel: Okay, it's not working out. I'm gonna need the rights back. Sony: For how long? Marvel: Forever. Sony: [on the verge of tears] No! No, no, no! Please, please, please! Marvel: Let's have it. Sony: You don't understand! This is all I have! I'm nothing without this franchise! Marvel: If you're nothing without this franchise, then you shouldn't have it, okay?
I blame Avi Arad
I’m gonna turn this into a meme. 😅
@@keyshawnwatkins4362 please do!
Great quote usage!
Nice reference to Homecoming
Ok, let me get this straight.... Sony thinks that all of us are dumb?! They're the dumb ones for releasing Morbius a second time, and it flopped harder. They're the idiots in this equation, not us.
Sony knows that there are fans that believe that their Movies are part of the MCU. That worked for a few years, but now that more people are educated that Sony movies are not the same as MCU movies people are not paying to see their trash. Even with their dirty marketing tricks it isn't working any longer.
It's not they are idiots they j want to keep releasing movies for money they don't care
@@MasterQuentus Exactly. They don't care about the Spider-Man I.P. It's about a pay check for them that they can continuously milk.
I mean if you want Woke Disney go ahead both companies are just as bad so I don't see the argument here
I blame Avi Arad
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 is going to destroy Kraven the Hunter by a margin.
Sonic is going to go full speed and blow Kraven in dust and send Kraven on the Mushroom planet.
Sonic will never be better than a spider man movie idc how good or bad the movies are
@@domplaysgames3065 The Sonic movies are fantastic you can't compare the two franchises they are their own IP'S The Sonic movies are a low budget franchise with little special effects while you have Spidey who needs the big budget, so you really can't compare Sonic and Spidey.
@@mikemudra5489 Also comparing the pathetic Spider-Man adjacent films to Sonic the Hedgehog is folly, especially since the Sonic movies are better than those messy movies with no plan.
@@tonymata8070 The MCU Spidey movies are the greatest ones it's the Sony ones that are garbage your really missing the picture, like I said the MCU Spidey movies aren't the problem it's the Sony movies that are the problem.
Marvel needs the rights back
@@ibrahimramzaan Quit Fanboying
@@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019 Quit hating
@@ryanedwards3337 you quit Fanboying as well
@@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019 😂 as fan of marvel and dc I will not quit but hey it’s okay you have your opinions we have ours and that’s okay hope u have a great day sir !
If that finally hapoens feige needs to bring the entire spiderverse crew into marvel animation,
Sony has to stop. Outside of the Spiderverse cartoons they have nothing. Allowing Marvel to license the characters is their best play, otherwise they are at risk to get sued by Marvel for degrading the IP.
Just let Marvel get the rights back!
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Marvel isn't in the best position either right now anyway.
@mannycurran8309 _Has nothing to do wit Spidey and his characters. 🤷🏾♂️_
@@mannycurran8309 every Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland had Kevin Fiege’s input and was a success. Marvel can make great things when they put the right people on these projects. I think they will find their footing again.
@@joshuamcclinton122 So can Sony, just because they make a bad couple of films doesn't mean they need to sell back the rights, if Marvel or Phil lord was involved then their universe could have a chance to succeed
Sony need to swallow their pride and release the rights to Spiderman to the MCU at this point before they start having to file for bankruptcy.
Sony is ruining the best stories consistently
I disagree sony made spiderverse and tobeys spider man and tasm I disagree
@@thewatcher9500 those were good movies I agree but what will you call Madam web and morbius? Looks like kraven will join the lineup
@@thewatcher9500 And EVERYTHING else has sucked.
@thewatcher9500 those live action Spiderman movies were a long time ago.
100% agree
Sony thinks these Spider-Man villain movies are going to make them a lot of money. Well they are the dumb ones
I wish Marvel Studios would own the Spider-Man franchise! I have always hated Sony.
Me too bro Sony makes me annoying and weird out
Executives think they can outsmart nerds? They already lost 😂
Kraven going through the same thing Morbius went through. Upsetting delays only to get an upsetting story. Sony should just give up the rights already.
It's time to give the rights back to Marvel to use Spider-Man characters
My thoughts exactly I mean, they may have sold Spidey for good reasons but that’s yesterday’s news lol
Yep, but we all know that Sony isn't going to do that, but it does need to happen ASAP
@@mikemudra5489nope we need a Spider-Man for the Sony universe
@@DrnoobzHermidathis Sony universe have already failed.
@@ninjxyz5768 they still have potential and the spider verse movies and venom movies are a success
Sony needs to let the Spider-Man license go back to Marvel. But hold onto the gaming rights.
The Sony movies were bringing down the value of all comic book movies.
I blame Avi Arad
Yah I’m just not going to watch no more Sony related spider man in hopes they give the licensing rights back
my "faith" in Sony making Marvel movies has died a long time ago
Ain't it the worst kept secret : WE DON'T WANT SONY TO MAKE SPIDER-MAN ADJACENT MOVIES ANYMORE. JUST SELL THE RIGHTS BACK TO MARVEL/DISNEY. THANK YOU.
Sony is ruining the Spider verse so bad it had so much potential
_Yeh, I think they should jus call it a wrap after Venom III & BTSV._ _Sell or license the movie rights back to Marvel._ _Then, have Hardy be Venom in the MCU or whatever's gonna happen at the end of Venom 3._ _After that, have animated Miles & some of his characters become live-action & come into the MCU after Avengers 5, or wit Secret Wars._ _Then let the MCU handle the live-action Miles films in Phase 7/8+_
What about MCU's Peter Parker/Spiderman (Tom Holland)? Last time we see him people have already forgotten him due to Strange's spell. I hope we could atleast get a real legit closure on his character before passing the mantle to Miles.
Sony has one issue, & you mentioned it. It's that they mislead us with their trailers, everyone would accept a lesser Spiderman story right now, but showing us all these costumes in the trailer with an endgame level character... wild how the audience felt the movie was awful. 👀
Keep the rights and just let Marvel/Disney do it all. Problem solved.
When the animated spider verse movie is complete Sony should give up, we as fans should see to it they fail. 🕸
@grebatson8977 I’m sorry but that’s not gonna happen 😂😂😂
I don’t want it ending until Beyond The SpiderVerse comes out and we have a TASM3 with Andrew finally fighting an alien
Beyond the spiderverse is a whole different department
Give it up Andrew is finished
You’re delusional
@@user-sx5fn8yo5sShut it Andrew Garfield hater.
It's obvious that sony is no big fan of the comics. Sony sounds like they never read or understand the story plot because all they care about, is the money that comes in.
Delaying kraven to the holiday season isnt gonna save their asses, no one is gonna go to the theathers during Christmas season to this flop smfh just give these characters back to marvel disney sony, its over
It’s foolish of Sony to think properties like Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven can stand on their own without any meaningful interaction with Spider-Man. Even in the Marvel universe these films would be flops!
Please let this be true. Beyond the Spiderverse should be the last Sony Spiderman movie. The Spiderverse movies are the only good Spiderman movies under Sony that are still going.
I don't get it. They can find the people to deliver beyond the spiderverse but can't for live action? Just hire those same people!!! They obviously know what they are doing. Solid script great action depth and emotion? THATS A SOLID FILM. Hire those people and not your friends.
@@KissMyKimchi Sony thinks Madame Web and Morbius were successful. They rereleased Morbius in cinemas thinking it would make money and are in discussion to make Madame Web 2 and Morbius. 2.
@@thomasbennett0Sony is never gonna sell the rights back to marvel
I hope Marvel need get right back for Sony 🤞🤞🤞
I hope Sony doesn't keep trying, at least not without help, or they could make everyone hate Spider-Man movies. They are dragging these characters down.😞
If this gets worse maybe the fans won’t see Tom Holland Spider-Man 4 because of Sony
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@@carterblake3410 I'm going to attribute the weird wording of this comment to Google Translate. And give it a like anyways.
Sony is so stumped.
I dont understand how Sony does so well with the animated spiderverse movies but cant get the live action movies right!!!
I've never seen an audience benefit of having Marvel comics characters split into their own isolated little universes. The big stories from the comics have overlap between heroes, and even the best Spider-Man movie by far had Dr. Strange. Sony doesn't seem to comprehend the characters, their interconnectivity, the relationships between them etc one bit, so they keep making flop after flop. Admittedly as you said, Venom has made some profit, but as a fan of the character - I've been very disappointed at this version being entirely unrelated to Spider-Man since that is a core part of the origin. All the early years of Venom vs Spider-Man, etc carried the mutual hatred of Peter Parker and Spider-Man as a main bond between the symbiote and Eddie Brock. Gutting a character like that, and filling in who and what they are with less-meaningful dribble as Sony did really gutted Venom as a character.
At this point, Sony only has 3 options. 1, drop the villain-centric movie idea and focus on Miles Morales as the SSU’s Spider-Man. 2, give Disney and Marvel Studios free reign with the Spider-Man characters and let them do whatever they want with them in the MCU. 3, they sell the rights back to Disney and Marvel Studios and get a shit ton of cash out of it. They could also just give us what we want and make Spider-Man 4 (Tobey) and TASM 3, but given their track record and thought process on making these movies, I don’t even trust them to make those movies without screwing it up.
3 videos in one day thank you for your work and I'm will binging them
Honestly im not too excited for Venom 3 considering how much of a letdown Let There Be Carnage was
Sony should just pulled the plug and give everything with Spiderman back to Marvel and just move on. They got lucky with Toby and Andrew Spiderman series plus they score good with Venom. The bottom line it's time for Sony to read their eviction notice and go bye bye bye
Marvel needs to get the rights back to the rest of the Spider-Man characters
Yep
X-Men and FF returned to them in 2019 and they STILL haven't done anything.
@@soshiderek Their making a FF movie next year and the X-men are slowly making their way into the MCU Deadpool and Wolverine are going to show the X-men and many more mutants are going to show up in the MCU.
Thanks but that still doesn't change their current track record.
@@soshiderek YOUR MISSING THE PICTURE
I think Sony should give the MCU licenses to use their characters. Sony sticks to games and animated stuff. While the MCU do the live action
Yeah we all just want them to give the rights back at this point. Its all just greed. W vid Warren🔥
I am really happy that someone finally came out in the open discussing the BS behind-the-scenes from Sony
Hey love the vids bro 👊
Sony doesn’t know what to do with their Spider-Man franchise nothings new to me but I don’t think they will stop making Spider-Man movies because they a company and they know the worth of the Spider-Man rights if they have to eventually sell to marvel or someone else
I blame Avi Arad
End of an era
At this point, Sony has screwed up big time and I didn't watch Madame Web because I'm so focused on watching Deadpool and Wolverine.
I’m not going to watch Kraven The Hunter because of Sony
@@raedgonzalezspideyfanboy Agreed. But I'm going to watch the movie regardless because Kraven's fighting Rhino in his true form. Not that Robotic disgrace played by Paul giamatti.
They made such a huge mistake when they killed Carnage off in Venom 2. They could've done a trilogy with him as the focus.
And Carnage should be brutal in Venom 2
Sony just needs to lose the rights to the Spider man characters, sony doesn't give a shit about any of the characters.
Hollywood studios have ALWAYS thought their audiences weren't smart. Sony is no exception, though the MCU might be. Remember the big Galactus cloud? That happened because FOX thought that viewers couldn't handle the actual G. Big tip for Sony: Hire some writers from the Comics to work on the stories. They know how to do it.
Dakota johnson was really so right about the committees statement, and it goes to show when sony gets upset at her for saying it
I mean they literally tricked her, Sydney Sweeney and others into believing they were joining the MCU. Sony deserves to be called out and bashed.
These convuluted contract disputes only hurt the fans.
If Kraven fails Sony is done
Just sell the rights back Sony 😑
They should have just done a whole Ghost-Spider run.
Don’t give them ideas, then they’ll never lose the rights.
@@turret72no I want Sony to keep the rights
Sony needs to give up control and let marvel snatch these projects up
Given all the reviews and news I wont waste my time to see Madame Web even on streaming.
Awesome vid!!
Awesome video
I do think SONY will likely cancel the rest of the SSU if Venom 3 & Kraven flops this year & SONY makes a decision to reboot the SSU characters into the MCU.
_Especially wit how Insom handled Kraven in SM2._ _So good. Everyone will jus be comparing the 2._
I feel like Deadpool might destroy the Sony universe
Deadpool Kills the Sony's Spider-Man Universe 😂😅
To be fair, outside of the Venom Trilogy, there is nothing worht to watch in SSU anymore.
I hope sony gives up their rights but sony only sees the money in it.
lost faith with sony after venom 1
Sony should only do the Spiderverse animated movies
they mad, bro. they mad.
Good stuff
Definitely the Frustrated
Working for Sony sounds like it was a nightmare for the actors involved in Madame Web
Sony should just sell the rights back to Marvel. Sony are very bad on making a decent Spider-Man universe. Sadly I do think Kraven will flop. But hope they don’t ruin the last Venom movie. 🤦
If Venom 3 is a success it wont be easy all those characters to return to marvel, Venom 3 will also must flop, dont fool yourself.
Sony honestly have been sucking for a while now I think the only W they had is Across the Spiderverse the new Ghostbusters wasn’t a hit that’s Sony movie they have no hits they should just let Marvel get the rights back
this franchise is an excuse to keep the rights of spider-man
Im worried that bad movies being made for theaters by studios that dont care will just lead to people losing faith in the industry entirely and we'll lose the theater experience entirely.
Love this video! ❤😂❤
I think, secretly Marvel wants this.
How do they NOT know it was gonna flop? like how???? you can tell easily. They need to fire everyone involved. The costumes were pathetic too
Is there a reason why Sony couldn't maintain their rights to Spider Man related IP by only making animated movies, which them seem fairly good at, and then license the charters to Disney for the live action movies?
I read somewhere that if Sony keeps making these bad movies that Marvel/Disney could possibly get the rights back. It would be a long shot, but Marvel could sue Sony for basically hurting the brand and possibly getting the rights back that way.
The only good thing that came out of Sony owning Spider-Man is the insomniac Spider-Man
I've said it before. Sony can't get out of their own way. Managing a franchise with such depth of characters and storylines like it's garbage. Shameful!
Sony will never give up.
hi The Cosmic Wonder
Sony needs to admit that they have no idea what they are doing with Spiderman characters. Have marvel either help or take ovet
did he say "IF" Kraven The Hunter flops..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If was Sony, i would focus on Miles Morales Spider-Man. Have him in the Sony Universe. And keep Peter Parker in the MCU.
And make creators of Miles Morales Spider-Verse the main force of Marvel Sony Movie like Kevin 5G
If I was sony , I would stop the spiderman spin off universe and start over and make it good and I would allow marvel to use venom and Miles morales and the other spiderverse characters in secret wars
Great comment. I've said for a while Sony should do a miles spiderman solo in his own universe separate from Holland or any version of peter . And then have Tobey spider man 4 and tasm 3 all separate and then have crossovers with those characters. Via the spiderverse/multi verse easy
@@argentumsurfer4155 Live action Miles Morales Spider-Man would be awesome to see.
@thewatcher9500 That would make it easier to follow. Sony, unfortunately, when it comes to live action movies, fail. But their animated movies are great. Plus, having Miles spearhead Sony would be beneficial for Sony and Disney.
I know my dumb ass wont ever shell out a single dollar on a Sony Spiderman movie
Sony obviously don't care what the fans want and just want money.
Bro Sony was not banking in madam web 🤣🤣🤣 they can’t be that dumb
Sony has sucked at Spider-Man since Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
Is all because Sony and Avi Arad was forcing Same Raimi to use Venom a character that Sam Raimi didn’t like and all the fans were saying that Sam Rami did a bad job but not it was Sony and Avi Arad to make Sam Rami Spider-Man 3 bad. And ever since that Sony has change.
Avi Arad was and is the big problem. He shoulda gotten the boot long time ago it’s a shame they let him stick around for as long as he did.
The sad thing is I really wanted to give the SSMU a chance. I liked Venom 1 and 2. Then Morbius comes out, it bombs, and Sony thinks it's a good idea to rerelease it because of the memes. And then, guess what? It flops even harder! Big surprise. I haven't even watched Madame Web either but it already seems to be the death blow for a cinematic universe that was hardly a success to begin with. I don't have much faith that Kraven the Hunter will do any better than Morbius or Madame Web. Sony should just quit and give the rights back to Marvel or just let them use some of those characters in Spider-Man 4. Sony already failed once at launching a Spider-Man Villain Universe with The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but they keep trying and failing at it. It looks like they still haven't learned their lesson.
Sony should just let marvel have creative rights of Spider-Man and anything Spider-Man related but their ego wouldn’t allow it
Thanks for the Sony Spider-Man universe news!
It was a upsetting news about madame web, hope Sony starts listening the fans.
And it’s just so frustrating that they think that of us, the viewer. We are one of the most loyal fanbases out there. Just give us what we wanna see and we’ll give you our money. Idk what’s so hard to understand about that
Releasing ‘Spiderman’ movies without Spiderman is a pretty bad move! You could argue Venom stand on his own!
I'm so amazed and also afraid that some people at sony thought that madame Web would be a good starting point for a new franchise , I mean from the cast to the character , to the script/story and trailer ,I mean everything about that movie screamed EPIC FAILURE . I mean those people should be fired at least ,how many thousand or even million of dollars , they cost to the company and the movie is so bad , it abort an entire series of movies.
Madame Web pissed me off. I'll probably still go see Kraven and Venom III but I'm not happy
They should definitely license the characters to marvel studios
Venom-maybe. Beyond the Spiderverse-yeah. Kraven and after-no.
They're never really going to shake the perception that they're taking a bunch of table scraps and trying to make full meals from them. So many of these secondary and peripheral Spider-Man characters don't need or can't sustain their own solo movies, but Sony is going to desperately try anyway because they're a bunch of soulless and uncreative money-hungry executives desperate to squeeze out a profit from characters that they don't need to share with Disney.