This Is Why Writers Shouldn't Worry About AI - Corey Mandell
Corey Mandell is an award-winning playwright and screenwriter who has written projects for Ridley Scott, Wolfgang Petersen, Harrison Ford, John Travolta, Warner Brothers, Universal, 20th Century Fox, Fox 2000, Fox Family, Working Title, Paramount, Live Planet, Beacon Films, Touchstone, Trilogy, Radiant and Walt Disney Pictures.
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The problem with A.I. isn't that it can replace writers today or the next generation, it never will, it's that there are people with money, today, who think it can replace writers!
I could see it replacing a lot of crummy human writers, but the scripts won't be better - just cheaper. Talented, creative writers, though, have nothing to fear.
I think AI is starting this arms race of AI quickly catching up to big humans in the end always being the ultimate arbiter of what makes something "cool" or worth sharing. With images, there's already such an unfathomable amount of well-rendered images that would impress someone in 2019, but it's quickly already becoming ignored because of how much of calcualted derivation it is.
yeah it is the same as when photo was invented, they thought painting would be gone, still a multi billion dollar art industry, photo just became a new art form. Same thing with AI, they don't have emotion and can't be inventive and chaotic with surprises. besides it is just algorithm based on our previous work, not a true AI with critical thinking and emotions.
Nope, the problem, rather question is weather we can adopt to change or not. People should forget about idiotic idea of their jobs being fully secure for 100s of year when there’s no reason to think that way. The today’s state of AI is that it’s not sentient and does not feel. And even unable to reason. Yet it still showed us something previously never being achieved. Which is mimicking human creativity. And because of that, people heuristically started to think AI only mimics human and will not gonna able to be creative. Wrong. There’s no reason to think that’s enough to hold AI when It is already replacing human for certain work. AI will replace human. Authors and companies already have intellectual property will be “OK” the people mainly affected will be “average guy” and problem with them is that they never realize something is wrong until it’s over.
i love this honest, straightforward, direct man and his insights
Much more to come from this interview!
I don't know, I think bad/terrible writers should be worried.
No, it's not even that good. You know how Clarke said “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”? Along the same lines, people see advanced tech and assume it can do anything magic can do. AI writing is about as real as a Sci-fi TV show where a robot has become self-aware. It's Data in Star Trek. Data being Self-aware is about as possible now as it was in 1987. People were fooled in 1964 by ELIZA into thinking the computer was smart. It's just that the tricks are better now. The computer is still dumb. AI can rarely tell coherent stories over periods more than a couple paragraphs. It's matching patterns of words that exist in stories, but that's not the same as storytelling. AI stories cannot cohere. They're ultimately not much different than rolling dice and looking at a table. Roll a 7, the characters go to the beach. Except that the options come from searching the internet and Markov chains or other language patterns make better sentences. The complexity of moving from a few lines to a whole story worth of deep learning is exponential.
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I'm more concerned that accredited institutions are taking people's money and awarding degrees more artistic mediocrity or lower. I think of it as storytellers puppy mills. Money spent and graded as successful work can give people a NASTY awakening if their work is considered by folksy uneducated in that field work call it bad. Art IS for everyone to do, but respected art REQUIRES that others outside the artists' community also appreciate it.
@@camray2998 Well said
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I am so happy to hear from Corey again. He is by far my favourite speaker you’ve ever had on the channel.
Hope you will check back with us. This was a great interview with Corey. Much more to come!
Never, ever stop worrying about Ai.
Yet* Every "AI can't do..." argument needs to be appended with "yet."
He's got a point, AI generated music has been around for a while and we don't see it topping the spotify charts... I would be worried if I was a Disney writer though, because the crap they produce could very easily get replaced.
So much of topping the charts is tied to the stories of the artists. And their fan base supporting those sales. On aspect of art in any form I hope never to see in the arena of ai.
@@davidaustinveal9277it already happened with vocaloid
"Never" is a strong word...
Amazon is already asking authors if their new books are AI made.
Easy. use AI and say it is not AI made. They wont find out.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 LMAO. Yeah okay, you keep telling yourself that. Funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks for that.
I've always maintained that being worried about A.I. in art is a lot like being worried about a forklift competing with a weight lifter. I don't care how much better the forklift lifts the weight, I care about the story behind the human that led him/her to the apex of their craft and form, all culminating in an accomplishment that challenges the boundaries that I and my fellow humans exist in.
Sometimes studios are doing the equivalent of replacing restaurant cooks with robot-arms though, which is a lot more dangerous to everyone “Downloading” a model’s face and then using that likeness for future ads without paying the model anything, for example 🤷♂️
The TikTok generation doesn't care about that. They want zombie entertainment.
It's funny just how many hurdles there are in the way of seeing your vision through. I've been following this channel for a couple of years now and am continually impressed at the array of topics and knowledge... It's sometimes uplifting - and sometimes downright discouraging. As a result of both, I've just finished publishing my first novel (520 pages) that I CONVERTED from it's script. You read that right. SCRIPT to BOOK (Novel, Prose, whatever you want to call it.) It's all a game and the only way to win is to adapt. Admittedly, the aftermath of having a REAL THING is kind of cool. It makes the entire journey feel like just a little bit less of a "dream" and instead a step into the desired reality. One book down, four to go... Maybe someone will notice it along the way and say "Hey, that should totally be a movie and it was all my idea!" A win-win, I'd like to think!
Congrats to you! Great story! And we wish you the best with your writing.
Congrats. What genre is your novel? I think I have a storyline that could be a movie but my problem is that I can’t bring myself to write genre books. I feel strongly that it should be more literary fiction but then it won’t sell.
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@@denniszenanywhere Thanks Dennis! It's a fantasy adventure called Shattered Legacy: The Mysteries of Fate. I wanted it to be made with high-level CGI because of the uniqueness of the characters and the magic. Trust me, if I can turn THAT into a novel, you can do it too. I think I may do some videos outlining how I did it, because it was.... DIFFERENT to say the least haha. Take it from a guy who isn't even into books... If you want any of my own pointers though to get started, just let me know.
@@SGVirtusMysteriesOfFate So kind of you. Yes, it'd be great if you shared your own pointers. I have heard of the Save The Cat concept but have not implemented its method yet. Good luck with the book.
THANK you for not editing this! I loved hearing all of it.
I'm not worried about AI, but he addressed a host of other concerns I had.
Horse and buggy owners have nothing to worry about from the new steam engine
Great quote
Stories are not transportation Emotion is not quantifiable Software is not magic
Is AI a concern for you regarding the entertainment industry? Can we learn to work with it, instead of fearing it?
AI can no more write than your bowl of alphabet soup can write.
AI will destroy livelihoods and legacies in the creative industries. It's already rampant. And this is only the beginning.
I tried ChatGPT on a lark. Its answers read like an 8th grader trying to get an "A" on their book report.
This was a great conversation with some real good gems. @5:29 it's not too late to pursue your dreams. Don't be the person who finds excuses for everything. Execute not excuses. Or as he put it just "do the work" @8:24 house/electronic music/production didn't kill anything. Majority of people who buy house music, also purchase other genres as consumers. Technology did play a big part in the death of music though. The music industry mishandling the conversion from analog to digital started the end, and streaming services finished it. Labels no longer invest in artist development, and if Hollywood thinks it will be able to get by with one guy juggling AI tools we will see the movie industry suffer a similar fate. @8:58 is spot on. He goes on to describe how many jobs the iPhone took, but I can still get work as a DJ because I can read the room, and the machine will only organize by genre or tempo. Yes, when music went digital, suddenly anyone with a MacBook called themselves a DJ, but eventually the dust settled and those of us who actually knew what we were doing were back in high demand. That said, how many DJs do you see carrying crates full of records to do a gig these days? Those of us who embraced the technology and new tools are still able to work. The machine didn't replace us all together. Somewhere there's a backyard wedding with a Spotify playlist that might have hired a DJ otherwise, but to his point, that Spotify auto shuffle will never be able to direct and *control* the party. All that to say: Write more, not less. Be fearless, not reckless.
The tool is amazing but that's all it is. I used it for 24 hours straight when I first discovered it and it is amazing at linking random ideas together that you wouldn't have the time to research yourself. I love it but I have 0 fear it will ever be able to outdo the best human talent when it comes to actually putting out complete works.
I'm delighted to see a new Corey Mandell interview! Creatives who have also spent time teaching or mentoring nail each point for the viewer and provide genuine insight. They have the benefit of hindsight while omitting the bullshit. I recommend everyone check out his past interviews and his own channel.
Corey knocks it out of the park again in this interview. Excited to share more! Some very strong segments to follow.
This was great, thank you.
More to come!
AI will write scripts as well as and indistinguishable from humans. But do it anyway. Because it's part of what makes us human.
I think it’s human ego speaking when we believe we can’t be tricked by AI created nuance. “AI just won’t have that soul, that human touch.” We can be fooled. We are being fooled. AI gets exponentially better. Remember the whole “10,000 hours” thing? Computing time, learning time, etc is so fast and breakthroughs are sudden. Yes writers, use it as a tool. Align with it now while you’re able.
It’s a question of paradigm, not technology They can’t even answer the foundational question of “Objectively explain how you measure a story’s emotional impact”. How exactly do you expect them to iterate upon an impossible premise
There’s a ton of stuff I disagree with him on, but he doesn’t coddle. He doesn’t lie to you and say “awww poor sweet child, of course you can get that writing job, just pay for my courses and you will” he does not say that. He says do the effing work and you have a chance. It’s so refreshing in this politically correct, don’t offend anyone world we live in now. So refreshing.
Never is a REALLY long time. AI can do a heckuva lot more than most people think if you ask good questions. I've seen it get A LOT better over the past six months. EVERYONE should be concerned, not just screenwriters. We can't fathom how much information we are feeding AI every single day.
Yep, compare the latest Midjourney with Google Deep Dreams. The level of improvement is exponential.
A large percentage of the stuff it generates is so generic and unemotional. It will never be able to write something like To Kill a Mockingbird because it has never been sentient
@@brettpilkington9539You are talking about early versions that aren't optimized for a specific task. Very naive. Either there slready are AI that already do what you say they can't or they will be there very soon.
@@Raumance Early versions ? Ai has been around for decades, do you think it's just popped up overnight ?
@@brettpilkington9539 That is a very foolish comment. No. The modern type of AI working on specific type of computer cores has been around for a few years. The development has been explosive. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Thank you man
AI excels at generating rough ideas rapidly, without much specificity. It's like doing a Google search for inspiration, except you can steer the results just a bit. What it lacks is personalization, wit, and consistency. It's great at sparking ideas, but not intertwining or finishing them. If you're afraid of it, you haven't really used it. It's very powerful when wielded by a creative, but I don't think we'll be to a point soon where an executive can press a button and a successful movie will come out without other people being involved to mold it. It will be another research tool, a work saver, a writer's block breaker, but not a one click solution. Not for a while. And we have yet to see whether audiences will even accept a story written entirely by AI.
Well said. The best AI art I have seen is generated by people with art backgrounds. For years, I felt like my own digital art was cheating because I used the bleeding edge of what could be done with the digital brushes that I designed myself. Then AI art came along and people look at my art as more of a traditional medium by comparison. I have played with AI art, but it is usually faster to use the media that I am used to. When I do play with AI art, I know how to make it do what I want and I know how to spot the flaws and fix them. Script writing will be done in a similar way. An actual writer generates a dozen scripts with AI, reads them, and fixes the mistakes. The writer now has a dozen scripts in the time it takes someone else to write two scripts with the additional advantage of having had a computer assistant as a second set of eyes.
I call it my creative calculator. There is no way I'd read anything it writes in a long form, there's just not enough 'essence' or 'feeling' to it. It's called artificial for a reason.
@@brettpilkington9539 much of that has to do with how it tokenizes information. As it generates a narrative, it prioritizes recent input over older input. This means that it can forget characters, forget important details, and lose sight of the overall plot. Using it for outlining or for filling in individual scenes is a much better idea in the short term, but as token capacity slowly increases, it will be able to handle longer form content.
Very naive. You are talking about early versions of AI not optimized for specific things. Everything you think AI can't do it already does or will do very soon.
@@Raumance liking your own comment is beyond embarrassing lol.
Love this inspirational boost from an actor
AI is gonna steal from other writers and you wont know.
But crime is always a crime. Its existence doesn’t justify it Same way people have been plagiarizing novels for centuries, we can’t sit back and say “Oh well” just because it’s inevitable It’s time to lawyer up & crack down on posers within the industry
AI isn't the threat to replacing writers. How the higher ups at networks and studios choose to use it was the threat. That's why we have no traditional animated films anymore. What the higher ups considered the next best thing came along. AI might or might not evolve, but the writers were protecting themselves from the unknown by studying and worrying about how studios and network were treating it and them now.
The higher ups bend to the will of the audience, that's how they can keep the lights on.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Doesn't change the point of the original comment as it is said higher up's decisions.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 If that were true, explain box-office flops They don’t follow the audience, they THINK they follow the audience. Worlds apart
I appreciate what you are saying. I also like that it's been determined in one courthouse that copyright applies to people, not Ai. But, it's Ai, plus the strategy of corporations to make their processes more efficient, profitable, lovable, sellable, and all of that, that will determine how writers make a living in the near future. 'Tell us a story', no need to make it epic, just make us happy. Not like a great writer, but good enough. When Ai that floods the market, people will spend time and money on that (as I think we have consumed gleefully, a lot of good writing over great, anyway). I write because it makes me feel awesome. But I can predict the future. The Genie is out of the bottle. Life experiences that go into writing, Ai can/will be able do soon enough. Heartaches, adventures, emotional growth, personal experiences. So, we have to stop corporations from the distribution of Ai, and/or keep it un-copyrightable. Keep it from being profitable (globally?) Still, and always, writers should just write because it feels awesome.
loved the final words. I think ti will be the exact same as the artist industry. normal artist replaced. smart artist get integrated and are pioneers anyway.
It often feels a little presumptuous for folks to say things like 'never' or 'definitely' or whatever else in absolute terms, regarding what capabilities humanity will attain, or what their creations will be capable of, such as the case of ML/AI. Can a machine learning/AI system be made that can write good stories? I think yes, in due time, we'll see that. The question is from a signal to noise ratio perspective, from an efficiency perspective, how long until AI tools surpass humans in the rate at which they deliver quality, useable stories/scripts/screenplays/etc? For a tool to truly be 'automated' in an industrialized sense, it needs to be dependable and reliable. An AI tool that can be turned on and just crank out an endless stream of quality scripts on demand is a lot further off than a tool that can usually make garbage but sometimes when the conditions are just right get real close to greatness. At best an inconsistent AI might replace inconsistent human writers from the situation but a good human writer would still be a better time investment for groups wanting good product in a predictable timeline. Instead I do agree with what Corey points out regarding by the time the AI can master script-writing to the point it can replace the professional writers: it won't even matter. I don't think it's because everything will be ruined by that point, or that the AI will be particularly good at writing: only that the status quo will have so shifted the context of what we're worried about today won't be very relevant. I would guess AI will take writers' 'jobs' because it will probably first just eliminate the concept of a 'job' as we know it.
In order for anything to be automated, it needs to be computerized. And if it needs to be computerized, it needs to be quantified first. I have yet to see a single person quantify what makes a good story good, so I’m not holding my breath. But it’s a good thought-experiment just to analyze human’s understanding of stories in general
@@corpsefoot758 That's like saying AI can't make good art because you can't quantify what makes good art. If you look at what it can generate now, you can see that's clearly not the case. It's only gotten better. Artists used to meme about the AI's hand generations... but now most of the bigger ones can actually consistently generate correct hands.
This guy wrote Battlefield Earth???🤨
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Excellent analysis, through and through. AI are like disembodied spirits, with no capacity to feel emotions or sense reality. While they have near-unlimited access to information, they have no wisdom. So it will be extremely difficult for an AI to write something that would make a real human cry.
This reminds me of all the drama surrounding SUDOWRITE. That it's going to replace writers. But I think it's just going to enhance and help writers.
As a writer and artist, I perceive AI as a valuable tool that can enhance and augment my creative abilities. The human tendency to fear the unknown stems from a lack of comprehension. While I acknowledge that AI will not completely replace human writers, I firmly believe that it has the potential to significantly enhance their capabilities, effectively transforming them into "super writers".
From what I hear through others, it just feels a lot like having a sleepless “personal assistant” to be ready with answers at the speed of internet Not a bad thing to have, yeah
He doesn't understand that A.I. plagiarizes - - it can fake emotion by stealing it from real writers.
Well there you go, then. Strangle it on Day 1 with lawsuits to protect writer’s IP
Who’s he talking about, 72 years old and wrote Spider-Man? David Koepp was not 72. Did he mean Stan Lee?
Hey that's great, what about artists??!
Albert and I have completely different mind-sets. Failure at writing doesn't bother me a bit. Imagine the JOURNEY! How creative and exciting it is to think of people and events and make up whole new worlds of experience. It is impossible to fail at writing if you enjoy doing these things. You might never SELL, but you will never fail.
This is an incredibly naïve take on AI’s potential. However, I do believe that while AI possesses the ability to become sufficiently powerful to move us emotionally, from a meta perspective (removed from the “quality” of the produced work itself), that we might find “better” stories less impactful because we decide we want our art to be a conversation between organic consciousnesses like ourselves. But as for quality and emotional impact? We have brains that can be drugged into feeling anything and everything by introducing the right set and combination of chemicals. AI will eventually and unquestionably be able to find linguistic symbology sufficient to trigger any desired response in us it wants with horrifying precision. Any view that opposes this potential is either assuming we’ll pull the plug before it gets there, we’ll all die before it gets there, or you’re just not looking at a long enough time horizon.
I do agree with his last remarks on ignoring what cannot he known and pursuing what you’re compelled to pursue with abandon. I’m a writer and a director myself and I’m certainly not stopping just because I have these beliefs about AI. If anything, I am choosing to believe we might find greater meaning in the handmade, whether it becomes more niche or not. Industrial looms in Thailand don’t make handmade clothing from a craftsman less valuable. If anything, in the end, they elevate the human. Keep calm, carry on!
I totally understand that potential, but I think it will be so close to a traditional drug at that point that most people will abstain from such things just as we do now with heroin etc. Think about it, why not just be a heroin junkie so long as you can have access to it if most humans ultimately just want to feel good and accept that we wil die anyways? People either figure out they want more from life or continue pressing the feelgood button. Will people improve their lifestyle or keep downing pain killers sedinterily?
I've long maintained throughout all of this that AI is quite capable of creation of a story, and even a very readable story...but it will always lack two key elements in their telling. Nuance and soul. You can't fake that. But you can spot an artificial attempt at it. Only a human can write a word and make it resonate a human emotion or experience because they understand it best. AI doesn't have that capacity. Writing emotional words? Yep. Writing words that may or may not elicit an emotion? Sure. Writing from the human condition? Nope. AI doesn't feel so AI will never know how to use such properly or adequately.
How can reality tv even work in an age of social media over sharing? Netflix didn’t think that one through. It’s not the 2000’s anymore.
I mean, writing, yes. Visual arts, also yes. See...if we're ever to have "Star Trek"-style holodecks, AI art is 100% required. Just sayin'.
If you're a writer who's worried about AI then you should worry more about you're writing than about AI.
I agree with what is expressed in the video, but I don't think corporations/businesses will agree. I think a lot of them will try to replace jobs prematurely because they see AI as an opportunity to pay less salaries and benefits. There will be a lot of human suffering while they realize not all jobs they want to replace can be replaced effectively by AI.
Ai writing scripts is as good as the user is at prompting it to write those scripts
I would like to believe in the sanctity of human emotion, but I have doubts. The problems will start when the Large Language Models learn how to manipulate human emotions through language. They can’t do this yet and need extensive guidance to produce anything worthwhile. They also fail at foreshadowing and backstory, relating the climax back to the wound, providing measured character growth, and all other advanced techniques writers use. I hope that human consciousness and emotions are more than natural emergence from complexity. Otherwise, everything we can do will be within the reach of AI.
This guy doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. I'm about two thirds of the way through the video and most of the things he has said so far are incorrect. AI musicians for example have millions of followers. What percentage of writers have fewer followers than that? Many people were not supporting the WGA strike because they want better writing than what has been given to them. For example, compare the insane nonsensical writing of an AI to the insane nonsensical last season of Lost or Battle Star Galactica. I've seen AI generated plot outlines and they tend to be better. AI isn't after the jobs of the best writers. It's after the jobs of the below average writers. Yes, AI writing is mediocre, but if it is compared to actively terrible writing then it comes away as the winner.
Ya, but that's what he means. He just doesn't want to insult all the bad writers because of the Unions. And they'll get him black listed.
Studios aren't looking for mediocre scripts.
@@5Gburn true, but they are perfectly willing to use them. Latest Indiana Jones, Latest Ant-Man, Latest James Bond, Latest DC Super Hero movie. These were all mediocre or below mediocre. Imagine if these scripts were in competition with something that was barely passable.
You are talking about early not specific AI. Either AI is already doing what you say it can't or will be very soon.
It can replace script doctor's for sure. Already started.
I never thought that A.I. was something to ever worry about, in my opinion. I feel the same way he does, when it comes to the fear surrounding the whole A.I. taking over writing positions thing.
it already has and will get worse. Whether you choose to be afraid or roll with it is up to you
@@DenkyManner Can you cite any specific piece proving writers should be afraid of AI
he should have lead with the human connection. I agree with that. but he lead with litigation..nah man...the cats out of the bag already. no way. I almost clicked off. glad I didn't tho.
“Cat’s out of the bag” how? All we have to do is run a list of copyrighted works these AI are being “trained” on, and then sue any commercial project who used said AI to “write” their own copycat without paying the original authors It’s a 2-step process. All it needs is political will to enforce the law
The Mandell guy is pretty confident in laws. There will always will be offenders who won't get caught.
He had me at 'Beth Orton' :)))))))
I bought a typewriter. Ai can’t touch me now period
I resonate this perspective and it’s what I like to tell myself, but I also think it’s somewhat romantic. Is it fair to say AI will “never” make a human connection? We’re in the nascent stages of development, with large companies pouring enough capital into this to rival the nuclear weaponry investment of the 20th century. What we see today is the worst these systems will be; they will only improve. I project it to be more analogous to the split between factory-produced furniture vs handcrafted. Handcrafted is generally preferred - but it’s priced accordingly, such that only the richest can afford it, and only a select few can make a living through handcrafting. Human-made products may always be preferred, but if a machine-produced product is comfortable enough to sit on, it’ll be in more living rooms than not.
I have seen A.I try to write something as simple as just Batman V. Joker dialogue and it was horrendous and pure cringe. A.I isn't going to be able to take away writers we have nothing to worry about.
I think he's pretty far off in his preconceptions, the landscape is going to shift dramatically sooner than later. The current versions of these tools don't have the emotive capacity we expect because we're essentially dealing with the intelligence levels of 6 - 8 yo's. The next two generations of these models will be on the brink of surpassing human intelligence. You are better off learning how to integrate these tools into your workflow now. There are good reasons the new WGA contract has language around restricting studios from training models on WGA scripts.
Who said emotion has anything to do with intelligence? That’s way more a religious belief than some kind of coherent framework proven in any labs And I have a feeling the WGA’s precaution is more to slap the studios’ ethics into shape than to prevent a specific scenario they can prove the existence of. I believe they (rightfully) sprang into action when they saw execs were trying to own physical likenesses of actors for perpetuity, which IS a scientifically plausible and industrially disastrous outcome Long story short: it doesn’t hurt to be careful, but I’ve also never heard a single engineer from any background objectively break down how to measure the emotional impact of even one poem, let alone entire scripts
Have you listened the ENTIRE thing? Be honest
I'm not impressed often by people, but this guy is one hell of a thinker and articulate. Super well thought out and summarized to the point. Amazing
Keep an eye out for upcoming segments. This interview is top notch.
It's absolutely hilarious that people think there's any type of writing that an AI can't eventually do. They think meat is special.
Here's my thoughts on it AI would be able to replace uncreative writers. Like for example let's us the movies Scream 2022 , Scream 6 an Scream 7 or whatever. You're just taking the same basic thing a killer in a costume then changing the identity and motivation of the killers an the background. A basic AI program will be able to do that a killer in a costume that looks like this. Randomly change the name and motivation an background like to say Ohio. AI can do that super easy use that AI idea as a starting point. Then you get actually creative people to fill in the gaps an add the human touch to it. But the people that only know how to copy an pasted other peoples ideas are in trouble. Because AI can easily copy and paste ideas primarily example of this Friday the 13th part 2 an after. People go to Crystal Lake an a masked killer kills them. Start that in Friday the 13th part 2 an repeated it up till Jason goes to Hell. AI could easily write half of all those scripts or screenplays then one human writer could fill in the rest an add the human element. So AI is only a damger to writers that can't write a good story. Basically if all they know how to do is copy other people's ideas. They will be out of work because AI can easily copy other people's ideas. So for writers it now time to as they say put up or shut up. If you don't want to be replaced by AI you need to start writing your on new original ideas. No more taking it easy an just copying other people's ideas.
That's the trick, OP. If you want to press someone on whether their work was AI or not, ask them on the spot to come up with a unique story or premise and gauge where their minds went. An actual worldbuilder, or true creative would be able to bark out an idea in moments and flesh it out on the spot and keep someone's attention. Someone who relied on AI to do all the heavy lifting wouldn't have the first idea or notion where to begin. Further to that, ask the "writer" to compose a couple scenes on the spot, right in front of you, using paper and pen, and compare what they wrote on the spot to what they submitted to you...the way someone writes is as unique as a fingerprint. The prose, the word flow, the highs and lows, what adjectives they use (or don't use), their descriptors...all of that. If they were the ones who wrote what they submitted, what they just wrote on the spot would share enough similarities with what they submitted that you'd know they were from the same author. Those who truly believe that "no one would ever know I used AI" are only fooling themselves. There are several ways to tell, and with blinding accuracy.
@@BigDaddyJinx That’s what I always thought with the tech armsrace, with the advent of powerful AI will come equally powerful “AI-hunters” lol
@@corpsefoot758 Heh. Indeed. And once again tech would be undone by the human condition. "AI hunters" only need be smart enough to know what questions to ask ;)
@@BigDaddyJinx Oh I dunno about “undone”, I’d say more like “slapped into civilized behavior by anyone who doesn’t believe in soulless market anarchy” lol I don’t necessarily fear its advent overall (imagine home-diagnosis aids for people whose doctor isn’t taking calls at the moment etc.), it’s just that corporate pressure twists every beautiful discovery into predatory perversion eventually 🤷♂️ BTW, is your perspective on this stuff informed by any books on the matter? It’s refreshing to hear lucid analysis on AI rather than the deadening doom & gloom surrounding things lately, I’d love to gain an idea of what your reading list looks like for the topic
He's right stop worrying about AI. I am looking for real people to write my scripts, I am not looking for AI to write my scripts. Artificial intelligence is some help, but a real person is always better; and always will be. AI cannot replace all of us because that will be called discrimination, even wga said that producers can use AI for their scripts to be written but they must still hire and have a real person looking over the script and rewriting it just like at Publix they have AI self checkout but they still have to have real cashier's because people still have the right to have a job that's why they don't want no one to know that it's a cure for cancer and other types of diseases because doctors will be out of a job. I know that it's a cure for cancer and I know how to get rid of it and HIV. I know where you can get the medicine from, who sells it, and etc, but I am not allowed to say it because doctors and nurses will not have a job. So AI will never replace human writers because they know people need a job to survive that's why they don't want know one to know that it's a cure for cancer and other type of diseases and I am not allowed to mention it either.
Ai is already replacing writers .
This seems extremely short sighted. Not all books are reliant upon emotion. And the prompter could just edit in their personal emotional scene as needed. Anyway I feel that's only a fraction of the issue and it will evolve exponentially. Also you make no mention of the current flood of instant AI books squeezing out the opportunity for official writers to get any recognition, as if it's nonexistent!
Love this. I still believe that AI is going to be an interesting problem (and solution) in the present and future of humanity, but... as far as writing goes... We write because we must write... and we write because we can't not write.
Chat1000, compose from a place from more pain and sadness... More heartfelt. Perfect. Thanks. The level to which people are naively hopeful about this technology only reveals how little they know about it. "AI will never be able to write with emotional resonance... it will never make a genuine human connection." You're absolutely crazy, my friend.
Where can we read these pieces you’re talking about
The success of AI depends very much on the product it can produce. As Corey pointed out, the iPhone was able to give the consumer a whole bunch of things they perceived as useful or valuable in their lives. Human writers will remain valuable so long as they can produce content that an audience finds valuable or gratifying. If (somehow) AI were able to produce content that resonates “better” with the audience, that will be the sole determining factor. If human writers are able to produce more sincere and resonating material, they will remain one step ahead. In reality, people still cherish a hand crafted, well made artifact more than a flat pack Ikea press wood table. And I think the same will be of writing.
This guy chooses to be wrong. (Not insulting him just my perspective)
A.I. has been around since 1956 and if it still does run on sentences, tons of hyphens, info dumps, overly flowery language. If someone wants to replace you with it they're going to have to hire you back to edit the mess it generates. Also all commercial A.I. platforms have very strong censorship and will not allow R rated content so I guess they'd only be used for G rated films with no conflict and where everyone is friends. Audiences will be bored with AI films quickly unless there's a person editing them into something better but then you're spending more time and money on fixing A.I. generated content than actually making something. Then there's the whole thing that AI can't create from lived experiences. I think it's a good tool for spelling and grammar fixing or formatting which we've had for years in all writing software already but like to just push a button and have it write something it's like more work than it's worth. Even if the writing quality gets better the companies making the A.I. tech will always have it heavily censored because it has to generate content that is safe and acceptable to everyone and good stories need conflict and genuine emotions.
The current version of AI that has people worried was not around since the 50s. What's happening right now is radically different and more powerful. Saying there's no problem today is naive, the rate of progress is astonishing, everything you think it can't do it will be able to do very soon, and probably already can
I'm a screenwritter, I work with GPT4, and it is helping a loooot.
That’s not what’s being discussed here, though. Enhancement is not replacement
@@corpsefoot758 But thats what i'm talking about... tho'.
A.I. can definitely replaced writers. They can write in the voice of "insert writer here." Hollywood movies are so formulaic It's a given because A.I.'s best feature is finding patterns.
Ai does not generate anything. It merely compiles existing data. Ask it to write a story of any genre, and it will give you a mish-mash of existing film plots. And don't get me started on the personality-free, dead inside dialogue it tries to "write" If that's all you did as a writer, you probably weren't getting paid for it anyway.
Very naive.
@@Raumance Prove it, please. Thank you
I used Chat GPT a lot when it was new, and I thought it was a bit scary how far it'd come. But now? Meh. It's the novelty of it, just like Midjourney for image creation. It's meh. Everything pretty much look the same. Everything that Chat GPT outputs feels pretty much the same. It's just.. meh. Bland.
I disagree with him entirely.
Corey, you are an expert in your field and it's certainly your place to give advice on writing. However, you don't understand AI and software development. You definitely should not be advising an audience on the capabilities of Artificial Intelligence. Your advice seems misguided and people should definitely worry about their jobs if they are in creative employment fields.
Well I agree about the human touch and storytelling. Still, little mermaid got made and there is always the payola aspect of things; “ watch what we tell ya to watch.”
AI is great at thinking big picture, but poor at creating specificity and nuance. AI has no childhood traumas. When you're an author, you write with your neuroses, your experiences. Human nature is unpredictable, AI isn't. That's what makes an author's vision unique. If AI is able to imitate me as a writer, then I'm the problem - not the computer. This is also one of the reasons (among many others) why many screenwriters will no longer belong to the entertainment industry after the strike or in the months to come: AI is just as capable of producing the same generic scripts without much value. Why pay writers for mediocre scripts? Paradoxically, AI may well unintentionally restore the value of good writers, something the industry desperately needs these days.
Well said AI is not the real problem here the writers are the real problem. Because if all the writers do is copy and paste other people's ideas. Using the same formula over an over again then a AI can easily copy and paste other people's ideas using the same formula over an over again. Because that's all the writers do is copy other people's ideas using the same formula. That's no different then a AI copying someone else's ideas using the same formula. So the human writers are basically human AIs because they are just copying other people's ideas an using the same formula. So the writers that would be replaced by AI are the ones that already write like AI. But as he put it actual good writers that write from their own unique life experiences. Will always be better then AI because they write with human experience they write new an unique and original things. AI will never be able to truly do that so AI is not a danger to all writers it's only dangerous to. Writers that just basically copy an paste other people's ideas with a basic formula.
Oh, AI can be very unpredictable. What it does with high levels of diffusion is crazy! 😂 That's why it does disturbing, surreal stuff so well. Writing human stories with real experiences, maybe could be done by training it on biographies eventually. It depends on who is doing the training/prompting, but will probably always require human editing at least in the short run.
Yes, the industrial revolution and textiles replaced a lot of people's manual labor, but it also created completely new industries. AI in creative circles will be no different. Yes, it will be very disruptive, but it will largely free us from our labor, and give rise to completely new (and as-yet-unimagined) jobs. Here's one example: free-form stories. People love things individualized for them. What about individualized stories? "Hey, [AI Name], tell me a story about me in Middle Earth, during Lord of the Rings! I'm a ranger like Aragorn, and I fight Orks near Rivendel!" This whole "insert me" type of story could be the cottage industry of the future.
this is so much wishful thinking... there have literally already been texts produced by ai by now that have emotionally moved people...
Like what
@@corpsefoot758 its been months since i saw a video about it. It was just someone using gpt4 with some prompt. Not saying it was anywhere near a masterpeace, but to pretend the rules of how emotionaly engaging stories work were not recognizable for ai is a baseless assumption either way
@@davejacob5208 “Recognizable” in what way? This is all vague theory until we can cite concrete examples
@@corpsefoot758 1. many rules about how to write emotional engaging stories are written in books, ai can read and understand written books 2. literally my main point is that there already exists a concrete example.
@@davejacob5208 Simply cite the example
Why isn't anyone concerned about AI replacing corporate executives?
Do you use spell check? You use AI.
Oh, someone knows a little bit about how the tech actually works. Yes, AI is basically an advanced auto complete mixed with a PID loop.
@@danjager6200 Is there any place we writers can play around with it for free? I kinda want to see what the big fuss is about at this point, people are making it sound like the same magical BS as NFTs lol “They’re gonna change everything this year!! Run for your lives, money is over!!”
I watched this channel and this guy for years now, AI us useless, its only code assist, there is no intelligence in it, compared to people who know their craft.
I have to disagree. AI is only going to get better, look at the progress in just the past few years. You have to find a way to use it in your workflow.
Time will show this guy's opinions are mostly wrong.
Where's your crystal ball? You seem like someone who doesn't know that much about writing stories with any emotional impact. I've looked at AI and had it write me lots of stories to test it, and it lacks having lived. It can pop things out, but lack so much that can only be known if you have lived.
He's wrong on automation. 100 years of it and more people work in the auto industry than ever. He's right that there are 7.7 billion people in the world that don't live in the US that are more likely to take the job than an American or AI.
@@beebuzz959I find it funny you are attacking me, asking where is my crystal ball, but the guy in the video doesn't have a crystal ball? Sounds like you just liked his opinion, but don't have anything to back it up. People writing for Hollywood literally have no life experience, other than being a minority of some sort. AI already has better ideas than they do.
I mean he wrote freaking Battlefield Earth. He's a legend, he knows what he's talking about
@@beebuzz959It's also probably not going to break grammatical rules. No sentence fragments, for example, and no innovations.
I want fully unregulated, unprotected ai as a creative tool. I respect this guys other talks, but he is missing the mark here and really underestimating the power of ai. Writers ARE doomed, but ONLY in a monetary based economy. If we live in a society where ideas are primary, human intellect and ai merging is a powerful future. I hate that people are thinking about science fiction and not science reality.
How would you use that AI?
@@filmcourage my own private writers room to develop material. Chat gpt in its current state is inspiring to bounce ideas off. I’ve had old scripts of mine I felt were dead in the water, asked for suggestions on plot points where I was stuck and got really thoughtful suggestions. This ability to shake loose new ideas is such a powerful resource alone. But I’ve also asked for help distilling ideas down into thematic form helping me really think through what’s essential in what I’m writing ABOUT. There’s no ego or competition with the machine like a writing partner. It’s to the point and exacting. Something that saves time and sanity! If you set guardrails by law on the dataset, you’re stifling the machine from being able to tap all potentialities of answers. It’s silly to cripple something because of capitalistic implications. Blade runner 2049: you can’t hold the tide w a broom.
And what is your theory for objectively measuring the value of these ideas in other people’s eyes lol Money is inescapable, bud. It’s just an improvement on mental estimation
@@corpsefoot758 monetary exchange in its current form is not mental estimation because the value is distorted by a litany of regulating entity outside the original transaction.
@@JimiJames Then isn’t the solution to sharpen those regulatory bodies into working order, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater for inexplicable reasons?