Legendary Godzilla vs Shin Godzilla | BATTLE FACE OFF | In-Depth Analysis
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In this video we will put Legendary Godzilla up against Shin Godzilla. Both of these powerful incarnations bring extreme durability and insane special abilities that could change the course of this battle. Make sure you watch till the end to find out who deserves the title of Ultimate Godzilla!
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:56 - Corporal Stats
2:11 - Resistance
4:21 - Regeneration
5:47 - Battle Intelligence
7:44 - Overall Strength
9:11 - Terrain
10:04 - Locomotion
11:09 - Melee Weapons
13:10 - Atomic Weapons
16:00 - X Factor
17:25 - Final Verdict
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I'm looking forward to see your depth analysis of Legendary vs. Shin.
Finally a worthy opponent. OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY!!!!
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I can guarantee u legendary godzilla is gonna win
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Shin Godzilla seems like a “lose the fight, win the war” kind of creature
I think being the king of the monsters, Legendary Godzilla can actually notice Shin’s evolution after the moment when he is born. So Legendary will kill Shin and destroy his body as fast as Legendary can.
@@perseuschan Trace amounts of shin can regenerate
@@i_oof8497 Do it use its radiation produced by itself to speed up its regenerate?
@@perseuschan Mutations and evolution and genomes and stuff
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
My two cents is that Shin's charge up for his beam is over-exaggerated here. In the movie, when the beam concentrates, that's him learning to use the beam - adapting. When Shin uses his beam in the rest of the film it only takes a second or two to activate.
Once he used it once, he did it again with no time in between
True
Indeed
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You also forgot to mention the first time he had done it, like this film mentions, the first time he used his Atomic Heat Ray he expended far too much energy and had to "warm up" again to even move around, which this video did cover somewhat, also by the time the final confrontation rolled around he had adapted to be able to not only sustain but manage his energy as well as a larger reservoir of said energy
something of note; legendary can literally sense kaiju from across the globe. Even their corpses. Like when they were making the ghidorah based mechagodzilla, he showed up to destroy it a few times. Taking this incredibly fine tuned sense to its logical extreme; no amount of playing dead would work on him because hed instantly sense youre RECOVERING not DYING. And so hed just like, keep tearing shin apart until he stopped sensing that.
Cool theory...but shin aint a Titan
@@mzamethodman7134 i think LG still can sense him as a threat, atleast if shin godzilla regenerating there is a high chance LG will execute it(his pride doesnt get on his way with ghidorah)
except in several movies where the corpses are frozen but still alive apparently he couldnt sense those guys
@@paroxysm6437What are you even talking about?
@@ebutuoytikcus4352 in one of the godzilla movies king ghidorah was found in ice and was still alive the original commentor mentioned that if shin started regenerating/wasnt really defeated godzilla would know it goes to reason that godzilla's "power" of knowing where kaijus are/status of them is limited in some aspect because otherwise why could he not sense that king ghidorah was not truly defeated?
One thing to take into account about legendary is that the axe that penetrated it was made from the dorsal of Godzilla that one of the previous Kong's had grabbed and fashioned into an axe
Very good point
It was also charged by MV's atomic breath and as for the MUTOs, they were evolved to kill Godzillas not to mention he was weaker at the time
Okay but consider: Shin doesn't submit to Legend and just stands there being a derp. Legend surmises that Shin isn't being disrespectful, but just doesn't know any better because they are a literal infant. Legend then adopts Shin.
LOL
Shin will grow up to be far more powerful than his father (and will eat him)
@@philipjeffrey2926 only because he is stupid and can't comprehend the concept of an ally.
tbf yeah shin is a baby... he doesnt even really realize what hes doing, hes just a little guy in pain
More so a more low iq version of kingpin gaslighting dex and using him
Shin Godzilla could technically be the strongest version of a live action Godzilla we’ve ever seen since it can evolve to overcome almost any situation it’s put in
it depends what its fighting. I think this video idea is cool, but kinda dumb at the same time. Shin evolved to fight humans. In that state he would obviously lose. But, if given time to evolve, he would obviously win. There is no point in watching this or the part 2 lol. Its that simple.
The legendary one could cut it in half 🤔 didn't you see how it made a hole?
@@Ly6ly6ly6 Shin godzillas atomic breath is much more powerful. It could’ve made a hole in the earth much easier than legendary
Shin isn't even complete it was still evolving so the longer the fight the stronger shin gets kinda like saiyans
I picture Shin's laser slicing Legendary into pieces like a hot knife through butter.
The fact that Shin Godzillas chunks of flesh have a consciousness of their own makes him a more deadlier threat as he can make extensions of himself and those Godzilla's can be much more robust than the parent.
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I think it comes down to if Legend wants to pursue a losing battle. Shin will eventually get to the point that it can easily overtake Legend, and we have to wonder if Legend will accept this and move on or fight to the death. As you said, Shin is more like an animal so it's unlikely it will target Legend out of revenge or pride or whatnot, so in my mind it ends as either a Shin victory or a total stalemate.
How they’d interact with one another definitely interests me. Shin is relatively unresponsive. If anything Shin would probably ignore Legendary. Legendary roars at him and gets no response, it’d be like trying to talk to a corpse.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Yeah, Shin pretty much only has beef with humanity and not anything else, if something stood in thier way then they would either ignore it or destroy it, and with Shin's rapid evolution my money is on Shin
Godzilla can beat shin with death kiss if he gets him
Ironic, isn't it?
@@erickaespinosa6131 Wow
Petition to make a part 2 with multiple calculated outcomes, this really sounds like an interesting faceoff that could end a ton of different ways
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I agree
In terms of resistance, Shin vs Legendary feels to me quite similar to the game City of Heroes' power sets in regards to Regeneration vs Invulnerability. Regeneration possesses some innate resistance mechanisms, but its various tools and natural rate of regeneration render most small attacks meaningless. It will, however. feel big attacks and if it doesn't react with one of its active healing powers it can be overwhelmed by a follow-up attack or even a one-hit KO if unlucky enough. Conversely, Invulnerability can be worn down by chip damage but stronger attacks do significantly less damage and it still has an immensely powerful (but non-spammable) healing tool on top of the ability to boost its maximum hit points to a ludicrous degree. The preferential combat behavior of these two sets are thus extremely divergent, with Regeneration wading into weaker targets without issue but having to react against stronger attacks for fear of its life. On the other hand, Invulnerability can feel the pressure of smaller attacks and so needs to find mechanisms to reduce their volume but more readily but tends to follow a strategy of countering rather than evading individually stronger attacks because it can soak more.
I know there's no Mothra or nukes for Legendary to absorb for his pulse, but couldn't he just absorb Shin Godzilla's own nuclear energy and get the pulse that way?
Most likely, yes.
I think that’s a major advantage. I was thinking Shin would win cause his regeneration is so fast, and bits of his tissue can grow back. BUT shin is powered by nuclear energy. And if Legendary can absorb that, he might win. Maybe Legendary’s best bet would be to eat Shin completely? And then they fuse. That would be a very movie-ending. I still think Shin would win though cause he evolves so fast. It could counter everything Legendary does.
I don't necessarily know, because Shin Godzilla's nuclear material is stated as being "entirely new material" never seen before in his movie, if I'm not misremembering the dialogue. So, unless Legendary Godzilla can miraculously absorb isotopes that never existed before Shin Godzilla, it's likely that Shin Godzilla would be just fine and Legendary shouldn't have his pulse, giving Shin the edge in battle.
@@TTNOVA Fissionable is fissionable. Put simply, the exoticness of the base matter (fuel for the fission reaction) makes little difference save on the energy yielded. The more subatomic particles present within the nuclear structure of the material before fission, the higher the yield in raw energy when it reaches fission. That stated. He wouldn't be absorbing isotopes, as you put it. That "nuclear material" gets converted through fission into energy and is divided into its base subatomic particles. And those are (as far as science knows) universal. All an isotope is, is a normal chemical element with a higher proton count than its basic stable form. For example, an isotope of plutonium is still plutonium, structurally speaking, just with more protons. Scientists are discovering new, never before seen elements all the time. But they are all made of the same basic particles. No miracles needed.
I mean Ghidorah didnt immediately get obliterated by the pulse so shin could probably heal from it
The thing is, while we DON'T know what Shin Godzilla would evolve into to counter Legendary Godzilla, we DO know that Legendary Godzilla is absurdly intelligent and a very good tactician in battle, which can make all the difference here. SUPPOSING he observes that Shin Godzilla tends to overheat after deploying its nuclear beams and has to shut down for a while and supposing he observes Shin Godzilla's extreme regenerative abilities, it stands to reason that Legendary Godzilla would figure out exactly what we realized: that the only way to KILL it is to destroy the entire thing in one go. That being the case, Legendary Godzilla would be capable of finding a way to accomplish that. Let's remember that Shin Godzilla is NOT invincible to damage from heat or weapons - he adapts to them but the answer to missile attacks that penetrated and hurt it was to fire beams that knocked the drones out of the sky, NOT to become better armored, so it stands to reason that its answer to Legendary Godzilla's relentless and brutal pummeling would MOST LIKELY be similar - to develop more countermeasures to try to keep him at bay. This is not an intelligent creature - in fact it's really pretty mindless - so it's playing go fish while Legendary Godzilla is playing advanced chess. NOW, we do know that Legendary Godzilla has the ability to VERY rapidly absorb enormous amounts of radiation which can 1. allow him to regenerate faster, 2. Allow him to GROW in size and strength (as seen in King of the Monsters) and 3. Allow him to CHANNEL that power to attack with a nuclear pulse. Note that Mothra's sacrifice is NOT needed to use the pulse - the only thing THAT did was to STABILIZE Godzilla as his nuclear core was going crazy and going into meltdown state (we don't actually know for sure if Godzilla would have actually been killed if meltdown had occurred, however). HOWEVER if you ARE taking Shin Godzilla into consideration AFTER the adaptation that allowed him to fire beams from the dorsal plates and tail, then you ALSO have to use Legendary Godzilla AFTER the Mothra sacrifice just to make sure you're using the strongest CURRENT form for each. Godzilla CAN at that point absorb MORE radiation, grow further AND use nuclear pulse. It need not be from an atomic bomb - that's more of a jump start to a car - the only REASON the nuke became a problem was because he absorbed ALL of that point blank AFTER having had the oxygen destroyer used on him which had effectively sapped his body of its normal ability to tolerate such things (after all, in 1954 humanity dropped a massive nuke on Legendary Godzilla very nearby to him and it did NOT kill him at all OR make him go nuclear critical - the Castle Bravo nuke would CERTAINLY have had a bigger yield than the tiny one used at point blank in King of the Monsters) - had he NOT just taken the Oxygen Destroyer to the face (which had KILLED Godzilla in the original 1954 film, proving how much more sturdy this version is) he wouldn't have NEEDED Mothra's sacrifice to absorb the nuclear radiation from the bomb without going into critical mode. What this MEANS is that Godzilla can observe Shin Godzilla's regeneration and adaptive abilities, use that intelligent mind of his and quickly work out that it is imperative that he destroys the ENTIRE thing NOW rather than let the battle drag on. Legendary Godzilla CAN use the pulse - and what's more, since he ABSORBS radiation and uses it as fuel, that ALSO means he can absorb Shin Godzilla's radiation - possibly directly from the nuclear beam which IS condensed nuclear plasma. That leaves the question: can Legendary Godzilla emit enough destructive heat energy with is pulse to DESTROY the body of Shin Godzilla entirely? Honestly? Probably. He destroyed King Ghidorah (aside from one head, and keep in mind he would learn from this experience to destroy EVERYTHING next time) using the pulse and if you watch that scene, he is emitting SO MUCH heat while in that "burning godzilla" state that solid steel structures some distance away are MELTING as if someone were holding a 2,000 degree blowtorch to a stick of butter. That indicates - in order to melt that rapidly - that Legendary Godzilla is capable of emitting heat that reaches into the millions of degrees - we're talking the temperature you'd expect in parts of the SUN in order to melt steel from that distance that QUICKLY just by being in the general area. Shin Godzilla's skin is tough but NOTHING organic is going to survive that kind of heat, which is precisely what happened with Ghidorah - he literally just evaporated away right before your eyes DESPITE having been proven to be able to easily withstand the most powerful weapons humanity had to offer with NO damage whatsoever. If Legendary Godzilla were dumber he might give Shin enough time and enough chances to evolve into something he couldn't beat, but this version of Godzilla is human-like in its intelligence. He even CHUCKLED when he hit Kong with his beam and saw him fall - which demonstrates that there is a calculating and pretty vicious mind in there. Not only that, he INSTANTLY recognized that Kong's axe was made from a Godzilla dorsal plate, could absorb energy and deal more damage after only seeing it used against him ONCE - and in the middle of battle realized he could arm Kong to defeat Mechagodzilla by hitting that axe head with his beam. This demonstrates the ability to plan ahead and execute strategic moves in battle in a way many HUMANS wouldn't be able to. If he can figure that out that quickly, he can definitely figure out the way in which he needs to defeat Shin Godzilla to make his death permanent after only seeing him regenerate/ evolve once, twice at most. I don't think one or two evolutions would be enough for Shin to become completely immune to Legendary's power so....I'd give the battle to him. ESPECIALLY if there is a nuclear reactor nearby to drain of power for a super charge.
you wrote all that for 2 likes poor poor man
SHEESH MAN SO MUCH WRITING THIA AN ESSAY?!
Look like a monster took almost an entire day
Dude this is longer than my final exam essay that would determine my life choices 😂☠️
Win shin godzilla ever,,, canon blast is very Dangerous
It's also worth noting that if they actually fought, humans would likely be fighting on Legendary's side. They could provide as many nukes as needed to give him the power boost and help him regenerate. Shin was technically defeated by humans, so it's not like our help would be useless.
Shin Godzilla feeds on nuclear waste
this fight is meant to them, not in the real not their world it's just testing their possibilities 💀
Even with a nuke Shin could use its blood or leftover parts to regen and evolve to survive a nuke and defeat Legendary.
@@anthonylewis8276 if the nuke doesnt destroy it
@@leado8026 And manipulate it also
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I find it interesting how these two are exact opposites of each other. The Legendary Godzilla is the guardian of the Earth, he keeps the planet stable and prevents creatures that would generate overpopulation like the MUTOS from wiping out the planet, of course very much for his own survival, and he can eventually decide that humanity is a threat and to destroy for the good of the planet. Meanwhile the Shin Godzilla is an abomination created by humanity that will not stop evolving and growing, it will keep evolving, when it is broken it will multiply and will not stop until it has nothing more to be destroyed, creating an overpopulation of monsters that would end everything and maybe even themselves.
I think read somewhere that shin would eventually develop its own, small internal universe.
@@NABNOBODY when the dude from evangelion makes a Godzilla movie am I right hahaha
Shin created by men?
Only problem is why would he do that out of nowhere? If Godzilla were to wipe us out he’d would have done it a long time ago
@@Hati-Gojira Yes Shin was created by humanity because it was initially a cluster of microorganisms that started to unite and feed on nuclear waste thrown into the sea by humans.
Legendary Godzilla: "I must start fights slow to make them more interesting." Shin Godzilla: "So anyway, I started blasting..."
exactly what i was gonna say
yeah, Shin would instinctively just start Throwing everything it has, then it would 100% start evolving something to Hurt him *Badly*
@@northernalpine4350 and then burn through its energy again and go back into hibernation..... You forgot to mention that bit, shin has a very reliable ability to not know what the fuck he just got and instantly burning all is energy on it or evolving something else to counter himself because he can't use it properly like when he got legs then realised a tail would help....then got he's breath and burned through it all and needed a nap..... Legendary wouldn't be sitting around while he be sleeping lmao
@@northernalpine4350 you gotta think of evolution and energy as an energy bar, and everything from blasts to regeneration take far more for shin than legendary, and legendary starts the fight with more options l, whereas shin has to evolve, wasting energy. Basically, shin wins if legend doesn't know what to do, if legend figures it out in time, now you gotta see if legend could fully disintegrate shin
@@MrHocotateFreight that would be a risk if he blew shin to piece's those piece's would become more shin Godzilla's evolved to exactly take out legendary
Shin's biggest weakness is that it takes time for him to mutate meaning you can theoretically stop it from happening if you do fatal damage. I.E blow his damn head off before he has a chance to really adapt. Essentially Legendary could win by attacking and never letting up.
😮 basically like all might fighting that nomu in that episode of MHA. Just overwhelm the healing factor with extremely strong attacks.
he grows his head back bro only of I wipe out all of his cells from existence
@@Kreshura-tm5rb there's literally no proof he can do that.
@@MataNui. If legendary goji forgot him for some time, then baam, he is back stronger, also didn't u see that deleted scene of the film where an removed *(uh I forgot the name)* was growing back, so what stops from his head growing back?
@@Kreshura-tm5rb That deleted scene's not referenced anywhere in the final movie so there's no proof it actually happened.
About resistance: The 2 rockets, that you call in a quite strange matter, are actually called “Bunker Busters”, which, as you see in the name, were capable to dig straight to the bunkers under the ground. Also another thing about resistance: Although Godzilla did tank a nuke, it only powered him up, so it’s not really of a resistance feat, but durability
Little mistake that I want to point: Shin Godzilla doesn't need time to charge fully his Atomic Breath. Yeah, on the first time that he uses it, he needed a little time to charge it to his full power, but in the final assault, Shin Godzilla uses his Atomic Breath at his full power since the beginning, probably because in the meantime between fights he evolved to use this ray more efectively.
They low balled legendarys atomic breath
Yeah but that doesn't matter since legendary is much more durable and he will withstand it and if we being real, legendary atomic breath is stronger cuz it has so many feats and shin only destroyed couple buildings
@@ademmer6245 Yes, and no, it's true that Goji could tank it, but actually that feat of the buildings it's pretty remarkable, I mean, he cut all the buldings like a hot knife through butter, it has more cutting power that all atomic breaths of other Godzilla incarnations, and probably been the third most powerful (If you ask, the second one will be Minus One and the first one Legendary and I think they are pretty near). They are wrong about Shin needing to charge every time? Yeah. The result of GojiCenter is still right? Yeah too.
@@josemiguelcalahuchenoriega even if shin would charged it up faster, legendary will still dodge since he's the faster of the two and the aiming of shin godzilla is so slow since his neck is stiff
you're right about the faster atomic charge on shit but if shin and godzilla met on the first time, it will still take a lot of time to charge it up
The scariest power that Shin had was its ability to adapt to its surroundings almost instantaneously. Edit: I didn’t expect this to get so many likes😳
The scariest power that Shin had was it’s ability to adapt to its surroundings in minutes.*
@@akai9446 Almost instantaneously.**
@@user-qh4ox1su4d Man have you watched the scene where he learned how to shoot atomic beams out of his mouth? It legit takes a minute. That ain’t no instantaneous.
@@akai9446 It only took that long because it was his first time. After a few times he was able to shoot it out of multiple different places instantly . You also can’t forget that he was born just hours before this.
@@Robuctaxcollector Mate we’re talking about evolving not him using it afterwards that’s not evolving he’s just using it. He was evolving his atomic beam when he started spitting out smoke and fire. Him being born hours before this is not a factor to his evolution.
This is amazing!
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Shin Godzilla is by far my favorite iteration of Godzilla from a "Movies are art" standpoint. Sure we don't see him in any bombastic fight scenes but the movie and its portrayal of Japan's government and the fact that Shin Goji seems to be in a constant state of pain and fear make it incredibly unique and interesting.
My only problem is the design. While it’s a good movie artistically, I really wish they had chosen a different design.
@@thedukeofchutney468 I believe the design was perfect, being a slightly scary spin on the far back original It makes it feel more like an animal or fish to me, considering that’s all shin really is I’m not sure what other design would have fit
@@thedukeofchutney468 The design is perfect, its like the old movies, what are you talking about?
I dislike how that movie is like a meeting simulator
@@felipecorpuz2476what if goji center can do Legendary Godzilla Vs Ming Lee in her Panda form from Disney Pixar's Turning Red Movie
goji: i am your king shin: confused toddler noises
"Existence is pain"
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Counterpoint to Legendary Goji’s atomic breath. In GVK we see that not only can his breath drill straight through the planet, but it also instantaneously cut through buildings just like Shin’s did.
Wouldnt Legendary be able to detect if Shin is still kicking and just keep on double tapping until it isnt?
For the record, Shin's dorsals aren't a weakness. Those were bunker busters designed to go through like 20 feet of concrete. The fact that they didn't go straight through shin is insane
bro bunker busters are basically concentrated nukes, they can wipe out up to like 60+ meters of pure extra thick layers of concrete, these bunker busters though were like the size of small planes so it could probably dig out 300+ meters of concrete, and it took multiple of them just to break out 1 dorsal plate, then shin regenerated it instantly
And the tissue that fell off him started evolving into another creature
@@primisoda1400 damn
But they wouldn’t have breached Legendary at all, so when speaking relatively, you could call it a weakness.
@@emperornapoleon6204 Weakness who? shin doesn't have one, it always finds a counter. Always
The more I think about it, the more I realize how terrifying Shin is. Since he is a strange creature, he can evolve extremely quickly. If he gets hurt, then it only means he'll keep evolving, and who knows how would he look like. If humans didn't use a nuke, this creature would be unkillable and would also be the end of humanity
Shin WAS the end of humanity in the original concept or script and eventually became the god of it's own universe but for reasons regarding length or something like that we are left with the Movie as it currently is
@@Yuki_Ika7 the movie was meant to be a remake of the original gojira it was never meant to have shin become a universe. That concept wasn't even included in then production of the movie
@@Yuki_Ika7 at the end of the movie we see the beginning of his 5th form, his body beginning to split into humanoid creature’s, it’s terrifying af
@@Yuki_Ika7 I personally didn't like the full original concept. It sounds too much like a fan fiction.
Humans never used a nuke, shin's " incredible " adapting and evolving was derailed by a blood coagulant, it's pathetic
"Resistance" I think Legendary Godzilla is more reactive mentally, and doesn't like being shot at. It didn't seem to take any damage from the hits, but the hits irritated it, whereas Shin didn't care.
I love how goji centre said he was gonna use 2019 but then used 2021 stats
I’m actually not too sure how Legendary would react in regarded to Shins supposed defiance, since unlike Ghidorah or Kong who actively challenged him to the end, Shin is relatively, … unresponsive. Assuming after the end of phase 1 we get a scene similar to in GvK where Legendary is attempting to establish dominance once more, it would probably go similar to what happened vs Kong since even though Shin would likely be unresponsive, Legendary might consider this to be enough since Shin isn’t in a position to fight him again immediatly. But if Shin isn’t completely depleted in this state and attempts to fire while downed then Legendary might just turn around and blast it full force. So really I think this depends a lot of how the fight starts off and how depleted Shin ends up in the very likely scenario it is physically overpowered initially.
Fascinating take! "I don't have to dominate that guy, he's big but uh... he's really not doing anything, just kinda squishing stuff along the way and hell I do that all the time (sorry)."
Exactly lol, Shin is like a disease, you can't reason with it or command it, it just does whatever it does lol
yeah
I personally think LGodzilla might not see it as another Titan. I think it would go like the first simulation in the video but as the video said LGodzilla has fought something like this before and has been shown the ability to learn so in my opinion it comes down to will LGodzilla try to vaporise Sgodzilla or will Sgodzillas adaptations be enough to beat LGodzilla. I believe LGodzilla can vaporise SGodzilla but can he win the second In counter to get the chance
if shin was downed i think that he would stay downed to regenerate than to fight, his instincts dosent want to fight IMO, he only wants destruction
first time i ever heard of a 'US ton', thought a ton was a ton, haha they will use anything but actual metrics huh , well you learn something new everyday, great video 👍
I love how Shin is summarised as "You shoot nuke on my back, I shoot nuke *from* my back!"
The one thing I would mention in the match-up is Shin's inherent handicap, he is more based in reality than Legendary is. Even in the film they state that it shouldn't be able to leave the water due to it's size and crush under it's own weight, but due to it's unique makeup, some part of it's physiology gets around this. It's movement even alludes to this; slow, plodding, and deliberate. All of it's attacks are therefore also highly effective, nothing is wasted. The phase array also lends to this idea. Legendary is really given all the leeway in what he does, similar to how Godzilla normally would be. He is a combatant and a brawler, and is also already King of Monsters.
Being able to evolve into anything instantly is not realistic so it’s still fair game
@@coluftonmcgerbergerber3116 why not?
godzilla movies, realistic? as an argument? bro nah. It's just who is is in what universe. end of story
“but due to its unique makeup, some part of its physiology gets around this” Just because you believe the bs babble the movie feeds you does not by any means make Shin more realistic than Legendary….just says you have no fucking clue how far from reality both of them are…
@@coluftonmcgerbergerber3116 It is said that shin's DNA was 8x better than the human DNA, so it's evolution can be done way faster, it's like monkey turning into human but sped up. So yes very logical.
I feel like it will be real cool to see a GojiCenter art style for Shin Godzilla
Yeah
Of course
Let's be honest here. If we're talking about actual lore and facts the fact is that Shin is evolution incarnate. Meaning if legendary does manage to knock em down, Shin is going to keep evolving to beat his enemy. The humans had to freeze him down to the molecular level just to stop his evolution that would definitely have taken over the world. Look up Shin's evolution video done by MindHQ, you'll see how Shin would have became the most powerful Godzilla in existence.
yea
Couldn't even make 5 videos, shin godzilla only has 1 movie
4:51 That caught me off guard 😂
Counterpoint to the resistance regarding Shin Goji, those bombs that are dropped on his back are made to penetrate 6 meters of solid concrete (about 20ft), so it's unclear if Shin even has a weak spot
a massive factor overlooked is stamina, LG has shown to have quite an impressive amount of stamina as seen in his final fight between Kong and Mecha-Godzilla. He can be seen starting the fight at night and it all ending by morning meaning that he would've been fighting for several hours (and this isn't even taking into account the damage he took or how he had to fight two opponents back to back.) Where as Shin was seen going dormant after using his atomic breath a lot which would mean that its mentality isn't to fight smart but to just throw whatever it can at its foe, and based on LG stats alone it would most likely throw everything it has at him since it wouldn't be effective up close. Lastly I believe the moment Shin uses all its energy and goes dormant one of two things would happen. 1. LG would thing its dead and leave or it would sense that it is still alive and attack until nothing is left. Quick side note, i noticed that people kept bringing up the fact that LG would absorb the radiation coming from Shin, so if it were to go dormant to regenerate its atomic energy, would having LG close by slow down that process or even halt it all together. Last note This was posted before I watched the rematch video
The thing is shin doesn't have a fight mentality. It's doing what it can to defend itself while being in constant excruciating pain. Even using its atomic breath puts it in a lot of pain. The whole point of shin is he is evolving so fast that his body is tearing itself apart faster than he can heal, hence the constant pain.
Legendary wouldn’t hinder Shin’s fusion reactions. It’s a chemical reaction happening on its own. It gives off radiation and heat as a byproduct. Legendary wouldn’t hinder Shin, but Shin, especially if torn open, would give off enough radiation to feed Legendary Godzilla.
shin is also more of a defender godzilla, thats what happened in the movie, it didn't know what to do and it just kinda walked around as it was in constant pain but it keep evolving and yk started destroying everything, it was defending itself
@@sandrahughes4117shins body definitely was defending itself naturally.
The W.
Personally, this overlooks the biggest factors of both versions. Shin's evolution is fueled by the atomic reaction that's constantly going on inside it, Legendary feeds on radiation and regenerates faster while feeding, making Shin essentially an all you can eat buffet for Legendary, that alone gives the edge to Legendary, as he would be able to siphon off radiation to both slow/halt regeneration and prevent further evolution.
@@Nirroir Yeah but this isn't Heisei Godzilla.
@@madmaxiemartialartsnerd485 Legendary Godzilla is going to be written for a very long time and already has a massive track record of unique enemy he fought in comics, it is just a matter of time before he can absorb that level of radiation OR already can, he's been slowly evolving everytime we see him on the big screen.
@@madmaxiemartialartsnerd485 He absorbed a nuclear bomb going off with no injury. That's weaponized radiation
Not to mention because of Legendary's cunning he would stand there and not attempt attacking after initial trial and error. Therefore he would have him evolve once and then absorb the radiation and then counter with such force shin would not be able to adapt and overload to death as it would be his own force times whatever Legendary Godzilla chose to be correct for the kill. And Shin only has instinct so he would not see it coming at all and would keep attacking until Legendary counters.
@@madmaxiemartialartsnerd485 He took a nuke to the face in King of Monsters, literally the kind of device that introduced the world to the idea of weaponised radiation, and it acted like a Full Restore for him
Aight I get all of the research and all that, but people realize, we're talking about a constantly evolving constantly regenerating constantly reviving creature vs a big fire lizard...
Let's see who would win: Shin Godzilla VS Legendary Godzilla, both some really powerful creatures. If Shin was on his first form, (Kamata Kun) then Godzilla would easily beat him, because Kamata Kun doesn't really have any special moves or abilities besides the blood spewing out of its neck, but I would not consider that as a special ability. If Shin was on its 4th form, that's when the real fight begins. Because Shin Gojira has more areas to shoot out the Atomic Ray, it could use its tail and mouth to use the Atomic Breath on Godzilla and do some damage on him. He could also use the Laser Beam from his Dorsal fins to do some Serious Damage to Godzilla. This would probably take him down to low health, perhaps maybe even extremely low, but this doesn't mean Godzilla has given up yet. He could use the Atomic Post to hurt Shin Goji, this might stun him and make him fall to his knees. As Godzilla walks away like he owns the place, Shin Goji can regenerate really fast and start using his abilities again. If he tries to go and tail whip him or something, Godzilla could try and use his Long Legs to run away and escape his tail, but because he is low on health, he might not have enough stamina to run away. Because of this, Shin could hit him and hurt Godzilla. If Godzilla is quick enough, he could escape Shin's grasp and use his Atomic Breath on Shin Goji to have a chance to win. But if Shin Goji can try to bite onto his dorsal fins and Damage Legendary Goji. he could also try to use the Thermo Breath to burn Godzilla's skin. Because Godzilla is low on health, he would probably die to this and BOOM, Shin Godzilla WINS. But here is how Godzilla would win against Shin Godzilla. Because he can run and Shin cannot, if he is close enough or is fast enough, he could probably try to bite Shin Dorsal Fins. Because this is Shin Gojira's Weak spot, this might hurt him. If Shin tries to get him off, he can't use his arms because they are too small, but he could use his tail to push away Godzilla and try to get away. Shin Godzilla cannot sprint, so Legendary G can run over to him or use his Atomic Breath, If Shin uses his Smoke or Fire breath, it could Damage Godzilla but not enough to Kill him. Legendary Gojira can use this advantage to use his Atomic Post and Damage Shin. Since Shin Godzilla can heal and regenerate, he could regenerate a quarter of his health before Godzilla quickly catches up to him and slashes him with his claws and teeth even more. Godzilla might push over Shin Godzilla and pounce on him before quickly using his Atomic Breath again! But, if Godzilla's and Shin Godzilla's Breath, both hit each other, Godzilla could beat him, but Shin could also use his tail to hit Godzilla's thigh and make him lose his balance, but Godzilla has a tail so there is probably a 25% chance of THAT happening. Godzilla could run up to Shin and bite on to him and then use his Atomic Breath while he is biting to hurt Shin Goji. Because Shin Goji's Breath can destroy skyscrapers in just seconds, he could use it from his tail to stun Godzilla and try to escape. Legendary Godzilla can sprint so he can catch up and tail whip a Building, so it falls on Shin. Maybe Godzilla could start biting Shins tail, but Shin can use the Breath from his tail to hurt Godzilla. If Shin Godzilla breaks free, Godzilla could either to two things: Retreat to the Ocean and get away from Shin Godzilla and try fighting next time, or he could recreate the Kiss of Death scene in the 2014 movie to fry Shin Godzilla's Insides, ending his life, BOOM, Godzilla WINS! BUT THATS JUST A THEORY, A FILM THEORY!!!
Shin Godzilla was meant to have 8 or 9 forms in total with the final form being Godzilla turning into a Lovecraftian god that was more of an abstract concept with a universe inside him. In the movie we saw him stop before he could reach his fifth form where he would consist out of many small humanoid monsters that would be controlled by the Godzilla hive mind. That's the monsters we see coming out of Godzillas tail at the end of the movie. I really wish they would make a second movie that would show Godzilla transcending existence.
non of that is cannon and is purely fan made
@@panduh4852 it's canon, that's what the writer said if he didn't freeze he would evolve into this form not fanmade
@@euqasamber352 where
@@panduh4852 you can search Shin Godzilla art book, it's official art book from the author
It's weird that we don't get an acknowledgement of legendary's apparent ability to literally absorb nuclear radiation and that Shin's breath pure radiation (which was noted during the scenes showing the radioactivity of the areas he breathed his breath in) which should theoretically boost Legendary.
This^^
wouldn't it hurt him as well tho? Cause ur right, the radiation would make him stronger, it is also an exrtremely hot beam being shot at him. If anything, if Shin shot first I think Legendary would have a hyge hole through his chest.
Remember in the fight against MechaGodzilla, the A-74 Proton Scream hurt LG and even overpowered LG's own atomic breath (Albeit, this was a weakened LG). If Shin's beam is more powerful than that, LG would very well die after tanking the heat and power of it for a short duration. LG only feeds off/absorbs radiation, but if concentrated enough, it can still hurt him. Now Shin also shuts down after using his beam(s) and can also only use them for a few seconds. If LG can survive the initial damage, there is now a stationary hyper-nuclear Shin standing right in front of him. LG would sense that Shin is still alive and he wouldn't walk away but continue his attack. In the case of that scenario, that's the only way I could see LG absorbing a meaningful amount of radiation from Shin. LG goes thermonuclear after that, and atomic pulses Shin to ash.
@@MatthewMorganReddwood mechagodzillas beam isnt radioactive
@@MatthewMorganReddwood The beam from MG was cutting buildings like butter just like Shin Godzilla and LG was shot by a much powerful beam as it was clashing with MG and LG tanked it pretty well.
For me shin's energy limitation is a fatal flaw. If shin cant kill Legendary in the first fight and legendary learned of the weakness he can win easily and permanently. Legendary feeds on radiation and Shin is an all you can eat buffet, as soon as Shin goes into hibernation Legendary can feed off of his radiation amd and keep him in an indefinite coma.
What about the Solar Radiation version of LG Godzilla we see with his final fight with Ghidorah? The one where his presence would melt steel beams and what not. I lowkey couldn't contain my excitement in the theatre when I saw him like that.
With all this talk of Shin's ability to evolve, maybe it would be fun to speculate what this hypothetical fifth form would need to defeat Legendary. Probably more combat capable arms for one thing.
He would've probably adapted a more melee oriented build sacrificing his ranged capabilities I'm thinking Orga from G 2000 Millennium is a good estimate to the build
If Shin were to have a Fifth form in this Fight it would most likely Evolve to counter Legendary Godzillas Arsenal
I want to give this comment a like, but it’s at 69 likes.
@@goobygamer9996 And now it’s at 96 lol
I after seeing shin, I kinda wanted to see it turn into a Ghidorah. Like if a piece was split and came back as a separate monster. Or it was in the process of splitting off into 3 godzilla. It doesn't even need to fly
Considering Legendary Goji feeds on Radiation, and Shin creates and maintains radiation as its driving force of energy, literally becoming inert when depleted.... Then once Legendary kills Shin, wouldn't he just feed off the radiation? Its there and free for the taking. And with its energy already low from the battle, Legendary feeding off whatever is left would just leave Shin completely powerless to adapt or regenerate. Killing him for good. As he cannot evolve with his radiation depleted or blocked. Even if Legendary leaves the battle site, we see in the monsterverse comics that many of the other Titans are VERY opportunistic about sources of radiation. Scylla even briefly challenged Godzilla over a radiation source squabble when she had just submitted to him at the end of KOTM. After the fight I don't see Shin surviving long enough to power back up enough to evolve further. Whether or not Legendary feeds on Shin's lingering radiation to help heal his own wounds as he used to in his lair, or other titans come and scavenge on him, Shin is likely to become a feeding ground for the Titans. The Muto's themselves use a very similar method, abet via as a parasite rather than direct predation. And many other Titans have builds that suggest that when their kind were plentiful, predation was a very likely source of radiation intake. Legendary Godzilla is described as an alpha Predator for a reason.
Wow an actual smart person
I actually never thought of that
This was one of the first things that came to my mind, shin is, essentially, an all you can eat buffet for legendary.
Legendary might probably stay around the defeated Shin just to feed on that radiation and if Shin starts to noticeably evolve and move in this time he’s getting stomped on
@@tacomyloh9799 I think shin could survive being stomped on, although he might get severely injured
Can’t wait to see a fight between Legendary Godzilla vs MinusGoji, or Shin Gojira vs MinusGoji! Especially with MinusGoji’s atomic breath
Not to be a legendary Godzilla fanboy but fun fact: shins beam is actually made out of the same radiation that legendary goji feeds on. So if shin did beam him it would just give him an amp or just heal legendary Godzilla.
Basically Shin Godzilla can't die, and has limitless potential to become anything necessary to counter its current opponent, thus making the battle essentially impossible to predict since Shin itself is inherently unpredictable
I dont know if the shin godzilla wiki is canon it says in the wiki he can actually adapt
Shin is actually extremely predictable . Shoot it? More skin. burn it? Magical cooling. Blow it up? Regeneration. Meltdown his core? cooling again. Pierce him? How? Smash him? If he didn't instantly evaporate his own bones when walking with THAT weight I don't think something like that works. Basically use something that makes him vulnerable to something else then use what he just became vulnerable to. If he theoretically didn't already become immune to that.
@@blahajkitern I think a really strong nuke would work, because shin depends on its nuclear reactor for energy, how are you going to survive if your source of energy has been vaporized?
It *can* die, but it's a wolverine/Deadpool style, meaning each cell would have to be broken up to near individual attoms
@@yesyouareright9800 i remember that shin Godzilla can absorb radiacion.... Because he literally eats nuclear waste before starting his first evolution... So i think he would only obtain more power Sorry im not so good at English because im from lationamerica
As shown in the Evangelion x Shin Godzilla event, Shin seems to have some insane body strength since he doesn't react nor is he affected by multiple giant mechs trying to tackle him.
That’s not canon
@@YeedyTavius It could be used as evidence if we assume that this is the same Godzilla just in another universe.
@@PyroFTB hmm…
I think there is some discrepancy as to whether or not this contributes to Shin's abilities but knowing Shin's biology it is unlikely that it does since there was no instance when Shin would need to gain that kind of strength. Idk what do you think?
fax and dusnt he like full on slam one
new movies don't think of anything but to make the good beat the bad, to analyze them both the result is evident, its like comparing old dragon ball (shin) to dragon ball z (legendary) thats all about having power out of nowhere just because
Agreed. Gojira looks like a cosmic terror ready to destroy anything in his path. Ppl analyzing here seems to forget Shin is capable of overcoming his own weaknesses. When he couldn't breath, when he couldn't move, when he was spending too much energy, he always found a way to overcome. The Gojira we see in the movie is later stated to be a "baby", as he was ready to become something much more terrific and dangerous for the planet, even achieving domination over the entire space itself. Legendary is just a tough hero lol, he fights bad guys and could certainly beat the first forms of Gojira but after that it's over not just for him, but for any other Kaiju. In Gojira later stages of evolution he'd be able to produce nuclear energy like a Star, performing nuclear fusion inside of him, apart from controlling his ever-growing hive mind that could also teach him anything about the universe. Legendary can beat him but never erase him from existence and that's when Gojira win. In the long battle.
in one of the deleted scene in shin godzilla, his severed flesh is quite literally alive even regenerating after shins “death”
One thing is to be considered: since Shin Godzilla is a walking radiation monster, would/could Legendary Godzilla feed off of it? If so, this definitely boosts him soooo much more. In fact, when he's "juiced up" he could turn thermonuclear (mothra is already inside Legendary Godzilla) and thats a straight win.
And godzilla could beef up the atomic ray with that and technically create a sort of nuclear bomb ........ Very much a theory
Doesn't shin also feed on radiation?
Shin goji by bye
think with me, you regenerate but you need heat for that, then someone comes and burns you to the bone with nothing left. would you recover?
@@dannydanny865 Kind of.
This was an incredibly well put together video. At first I really thought you guys were just gonna mostly ignore Shin’s biggest strength, that being his constant evolution, but I was pleasantly surprised when the entire last part of the video was talking about how Shin could literally just continue evolving and that it’s basically inconclusive overall due to so many “What if” factors. Very well done.
People forget one thing. The plot Shin Goji is evil and Legendary is the Main character We all know that the writers would make shin lose 💀
@@RL-DarkSpark shin wasnt evil, he was just a simple animal trying to survive, what animal doesnt fight back when threatened? The song playing when Shin uses his Atomic Heat Ray the first time points to this exact fact with its title, look it up but I would have to say unless Shin developed sapient reasoning to calculate and make informed decisions I would have to say shin is incapable of conscious and purposeful acts of "good or evil"
@@RL-DarkSpark idk bruh, humans stepped on ants and tiny incests almost everyday. We didn't even notice most of the time
@@kamuiomikami165 I didn't mean it like that. In the Shin Godzilla movie Godzilla is the antagonist=>Writers want him to lose In the Legendary movies Godzilla is the main character=>Writers want him to win Y'know what I mean 😂
@@RL-DarkSpark Godzilla vs kong it was ok kong movie and he had lots of plot armour but in Godzilla’s movies he also has plot armour all Japanese Godzilla’s there was 0 plot armour almost all of them Godzilla died if no plot armour legendary would die instantly
There was going to be a scene of Godzilla. It was basically about where he had another faze where he turned into a giant humanoids and was spitting out smaller humanoid’s to attack the humans. Toko decided this was to violent to add this into the film.
The physical strength of the upper body is crucial yet like kangaroos. Shins larger tail can be utilised as a third and giant limb, the ability to rear its massive legs up and kick. As an adaptor it is entirely possible and also the use of the tail being one giant arm
Godzilla sliding kick
I think they could have used more thought when analyzing Shin Godzilla’s atomic breath. They took the initial development, the evolution of it, as the process of it using it instead of looking at how it uses it later, where it pulls it out in an instant because it knows how to use it now.
Shin's charge up time is only for the first usage of the ability since he is just adapting, all follow up beams were fired quickly and consecutively. Also, if I remembered correctly, in the initial sketch of Shin Godzilla, one of it future (ultimate?) form, Shin would have an entire galaxy or universe growing inside it to use as energy (this is from the guy who made Evangelion after all). Hence the "Shin = New/True/God" in Shin Godzilla. So I would say that if Legendary don't beat him in one or two rounds then it basically GG, since Shin would keep scaling in power level until he become an actual God.
ya if shin 2 is released hes meant to explode causing a new big bang and recreating the universe
Shin has to use his atomic breath or else it can overheat and explode so it doesn’t exactly charge up but it discharges
They planned to take the “zilla” out of “Godzilla”.
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@@connorlancaster7541 shut
Please do a part 2 to this since we see in GxK that legendary also will purposely evolve to combat a foe it knows it can’t beat. PLEASE!!!!!!!
Hi I like your vids there really good
Shin Gojira can potentially sprout wings for flight, as described in the film. I’m surprised that wouldn’t give him more of an edge in Terrain
@@SantasGAINdeer concepts showed that it would eventually hold a new universe in its stomach and would explode creating a new universe much like the big bang theory. shin godzilla 2 would emphasize the god in godzilla. shin is op
@@justalyx7952 ikr like it can't stop evolving, which is op as hell
His second to last form would contain a universe inside of him constantly fueling his power. His final form would have him ascend space and time.
You can look this up. Ano illustrated each form for Shin. Don’t forget that movie only ends with Shin frozen in place. There’s a possibility Ano does a sequel and Shin comes back to life. Also, any time he shed skin, the tissue would start evolving into another creature. It’s in the deleted scenes where a piece of his tissue falls revealing fish like eyes.
@@moustachio334 i think i remember hearing this somewhere
The ultimate outcome of this face off (to me) seems to come down to which happens first: Legend figuring out you can’t just beat Shin to death to kill it and you actually have to completely vaporize it or Shin evolving to a point that Legend just can’t beat it It seems to me like whichever of those occurs first will decide who wins the final round
Yeah that's actually nice statement
@Random Platypus with Internet no
Godzilla would walk away anyways. But even if he didn’t shin would still win. His beam is the strongest it would kill him if hit in head.
@@dopesponge8430 no lmao
There’s no “or shin evolving to a point legend can’t beat it” Goji center has already established that godzilla would definitely win the initial fight against shin and would be injured after it. these 3 scenarios are very likely to happen after the battle. 1. Godzilla is injured and decides to feed off of shin Godzilla’s insane amount of radiation, which heals his wound, powers him up, and possibly could turn him into burning Godzilla which he would incinerate shin Godzilla if he still sees him as a threat. Either way he’s still gonna melt even if Godzilla doesn’t attack. 2. Godzilla notices that the creature that he just fought and “killed” is still emitting radiation and biofeedback, he then process’s it as a threat as kaiju’s could be attracted to this area and feed on shin Godzilla which would be bad cause they would be powered up and could possibly defeat Godzilla. Or he notices it that it’s still alive and thinks that it’s a kaiju with regenerative property’s, either way in both situations godzilla blasts him. 3. Godzilla leaves the body, and other kaiju run towards a meal. Now shin has to fight multiple kaiju as these kaiju see him as a gigantic meal/ source of radiation.
I'm going to say this because this may or may not make sense but it will make a point for the most part. Goji Center even said it but shin only reacts on instinct which means shin has the property of an animal while legendary acts more human, Shins only intelligence is the only thing that lets him evolve and it's different from his real intelligence which is that of a dog. legendary on the hand can figure that part out from the way shin acts which is like a lost wolf and use it to an advantage which just means Legendary can figure out a way to just make shin his pet with the fact shin only attacks when he's been attacked.
You forgot about one thing, mecha godzilla's atomic beam was able to hurt Godzilla, and Shin's atomic beam is probably much hotter that it, first because shin's beam can last longer, and it can actually slice buildings in half, while Mecha Godzilla was only able to destroy buildings because of the beam being pointed straight to the ground, and also being that the beam is so thin Shin probably put alot of pressure and heat in that beam for it to be that small and also Shin can fire 2 beams at a time, so Godzilla wouldn't just take Shin's beam and be fine with it.
i think one thing that was overlooked here is that Legendary Godzilla has an almost supernatural ability to sense other enemy kaiju even if that kaiju isnt even full alive yet, for example sensing the awakening power at the centre of the earth, and getting so enraged by just a single mecha Godzilla eyeball that he attacked and destroyed the entire facility where it was housed, he could even sense the collective strength of humanity and how that related to its own power. all that is to say i believe Legendary Godzilla would be able to tell that shin was not dead after the initial victory and so would probably continue to blast the corps until he could no long sense the presence of an enemy kaiju threat.
I almost forgot how bad the Mechagodzilla looked and fought in that movie. Looked and acted like a Transformer.
@@moustachio334 yeah it was much smoother in the original 1974 movie.
@@chouderr1089 your insane if you actually believe that
@@moustachio334 its looked really good in the movie wtf are you talking about and it was supposed to move like a transformer it’s literally a mecha 🤨
Its not overlooked it just doesnt matter here
Shins biomass mutates into its own sentient form if separated due to it's "G-cells". There is a Deleted Scene in Shin where, upon finding a piece of Shins flesh that's been blasted off, they see that it's growing eyes, teeth, and limbs, like a tumorous mass; they ultimately thought this might be too disturbing for people to conceive of as being connected to what they think of as Godzilla and too far removed from the "Godzilla Franchise", so kept the ideas but didn't include the scene. It's pretty damn creepy. There's actually a ton of cut content from Shin that goes into tons of detail of it's past, biology, and what it was originally intended to become. Given a different scenario, it would've become a Universe unto itself; in the film, it's revealed in the end that Shin starts evolving to mimic and replace Humans as an entire Species based on it's encounters with us. Shin was originally going to be much, much more.... horrifying, to say the least, based on concept art and storyboards.
They had to reign in the Evangelion guy before things got too Evangelion.
It would have been an interesting shout out to a Godzilla foe, Hedorah the smog monster.
I'd say that gives Shin an upper hand on terrain. 🤡
So, basically shin would go full Akira. I had a feeling the film was going hard for a Horror vibe more than traditional Godzilla films. I kinda wish they kept the body parts growing new eyes and teeth. After all, they mention the biomass left behind could grow into new Godzilla in the film anyway, so why bother omitting that scene?
@@AStrangeWindmill I mean, Shin Godzilla was basically an Evangelion movie without the Evas. Even the music was the same.
So you find it hard to believe that godzilla,can survive a nuclear explosion but his skin can be pierced by titans like the mutos and king battle axe(which is literally made of a godzilla's dorsal plate). But you have no problem believing superman can survive a nuclear explosion. But gets killed by doomsday with what is basically a giant bone.
doomsday is a modified kryptonian in some versions its a clone of superman by cadmus mv godzilla slaughters
Shin actually has 9 forms, that we eventually removed from teh movie by the showrunners, the director Hideaki Anno (also the creator of Evngelion) wanted Shin to constantly evolve through out the movie, the 5th form was the hunam/godzilla hybrids, the 6th form was their ability to infect and multiply, the 7th form was a swram that ventures to space, the 8th form was a hive mind and the 9th form was the ultimate omnipresent GOD (much like LUCY)
The outcome I forsee if we allow outside forces is that Legendary Godzilla always ends up with humanity as an ally, while Shin is 100% humanity's enemy. They'd likely find a way to amp Legendary again and allow him to incinerate Shin. Otherwise, it does depend on how well Shin can adapt and continue to regenerate, or if Legendary can find a way to torch Shin sufficiently.
Shin is too dangerous to be keep alive, because of its ability to adapt and multiply and let it's offspring act independently.
@@christbenitez8797 As Mace Windu once said "He controls the Senate and the Courts. He's too dangerous to be left alive!"
It's a 1v1 tho
I like how you're implementing the charisma attribute
No idiot that’s like saying shin gets free kaijus on his side because he is stronger
This is DEFINITELY one of those "depending on the circumstances" battles. Like Goji center said, Legendary wins against 4th form, but what happens next determines the fight. There IS a fair chance Legendary would opt for total disintegration, since he's fought 2 titans that regenerated as fast if not faster than Shin, and he would know to completely destroy him. If he doesn't though, Shin's 5th form would likely take on Legendary almost as effectively as Mechagodzilla did in GvK.
But how would LG know that Shin has that level of regeneration is they would be fighting for the first time. Just because LG knows of the ability to recover from biological death doesn't mean he knows that a kaiju he just met has that ability. So unless LG woke up on the wrong side of the bed to stick around to make sure to vaporize every cell of Shin Gojira, which is borderline impossible, a defeated Shin could rise again deadlier than ever for round two.
yeah
We can't just bring up shin Godzilla might do we have to see him actually do it
@@lizmuro3082 he did it in the film, he literally transformed 3 times and is transforming while fighting the army in the end of the movie, his even trying to transforming to become human
@@micahduffus5690 Shin regenerates very quickly. Unless Legendary defeats him in under a minute, he'd likely see Shin regenerating as they fought.
Another X-factor: we know that Shin has utterly ludicrous regenerative ability, but we don't actually know how it would handle decapitation, which is the likely fate of a kaiju that loses to Legendary but doesn't (or lacks the sapience to) submit. If Legendary's sensory abilities cue it that Shin isn't dead, and Shin never shows enough actual spirit to earn his respect as Kong did, I'm inclined to say the fight would go to Legendary, barring some intervention that stopped him from finishing the kill in his customary fashion.
15:37 godzilla (not shin) is smart, he’d most likely try think of a way to swing the tail lazar back to shin and try cut his back in two
I would say this is like an unstoppable force meeting an unmuvable object situation.
THATS WHAT IM THINKING
It really wouldn’t be, I personally like legendary more but shin can evolve into a god if he wanted to
@@BiggieJ4224 That's now how Shin's evolution works, though. It doesn't evolve when it wants. Shin evolves and changes based on interactions between it and the environment; on cause and effect. It doesn't go ''I'm fighting a kaiju? I choose to become a god and win instantly''. It goes more like ''What the fuck is that? OH, it bit me... That hurts. I should get thicker skin so it doesn't hurt me with it's teeth again... '' and it does that for everything. It takes a bit of time for it to evolve and adapt, and it needs to interact with stuff to do so. It's not nearly as instant as you might think. It doesn't go god mode when it wants; in fact, it can't. As ridiculous as Shin is, there is SOME form of realism or science attached to the way it evolves. It's not like in anime where characters transform at will. It has to have a reason or something done to it to evolve and it's evolution is relatively grounded or makes some sense when you look into it.
Shin is the unstoppable force that can adapt. If the other is unmovable, he’ll just cause a meltdown
@@mr.goblin6039 I wasn’t talking literally as a “god”, and I’m already aware shins evolution isn’t instantaneous, but given enough time he will eventually always have something that is stronger than him or at least is a weakness and every time that occurs he will have to adapt to it reactively you know like a big giant lizard that’s like him, threatening his existence
One could argue that 1) Shin's ray would power up Legendary into his Burning state because of its radioactive nature, and 2) that Godzilla would scorch the remains as when he disintegrated Ghidorah's head, it was still screaming and would likely conclude that turning it ash was the only option due to prior experience (read: their previous encounters before the film)
But Shin's beam is concentrated in a thin laser, and because of that it is VERY deadly and could possibly cut Legendary in half.
@@The_Christian_Kirbo shin only cut through buildings alone that's different from hitting a kaiju. Legendary tanked mechagodzilla's proton scream and ghidorah's gravity beams without getting sliced or split in half. Saying it's "deadly" doesn't mean anything when there's no evidence it can cut through anything but buildings
@@Kaiju-bm4ts hmmm, yea but Shin can win in another way
@@The_Christian_Kirbo he has very little chance of winning in any situation unless legendary stands there and lets shin kill him. Legendary is a combative godzilla. Shin is not. There is no contest here.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts If ANY piece of Shin is left, it can regenerate and possibly clone while evolving to withstand Legendary. So basically: Legendary wins but if there is any piece of Shin left then Legendary is absolutely dead.
I think if Godzilla found a way to reach his thermonuclear state by himself if would be wraps for Shin Godzilla but I think if couldn’t do that he would need the help of humans to reach that state
But, heres the thing.. If were talking phase 4 shin, there are more phases to this. If they were to be fighting, and it was only in its 4th form, it would adapt to Legendary's combat and defense. It would basically just become the ultimate counter to whatever Legendary has to through at it. Because, canon-wise, shin has 8 phases, and the last one being an omnipotent universe destroying god.
Also I would like to mention that shin didn't get to shine much in the movie, the movie didn't give him his true potential like GojiCenter stated he only fought humans but if he would have faced kaiju shin would be a totally diffrent kaiju from what we know now. I would very much love to see GojiCenter concept art of his 5th form after a fight with Legendary
Holy sh!t that'd be terrifying. After the lengths he went to simply surviving humanity abusing his existence, if he had to face off against other Titans what could he become? Gah *shudders physically, shakes her head* He's the sweetest, most adorable monster I've ever seen but he's certainly a monster.
yeah, not only that he lost to humans too
@Randomperson2 yeah
Nobody would want an earthquake to never stop
@@eugenejamesbon4355 he didn't lose, he was just slowed down in the movie and toho didn't want to make a sequel
The match everyone has been debating about,some saying shin,some saying legendary,gojicenter is gonna reveal the real winner, can't wait for the premiere.Keep up the good work gojicenter! Edit: i never got this many likes in my life,thank you all so much!!!
Nice comment
Legendary is going to take this
Yeah it's legendary, but it also depends on which legendary we go off
@Furry Enjoyer Even in 2014 bro, Godzilla stomps. Shin has no way to hurt him, his beams only output kilotons of TNT, where Godzilla at his weakest can endure atomic bombs over the megaton range. Multi continental at minimum.
@Furry Enjoyer shin literally got cheesed by humans lol, if anyone still thinks that shin had a more powerful atomic breath, remember that scene where godzilla digs a hole kilometers deep in seconds in gvk
17:08 Godzilla: "Bow" Rodan: "Yes"
Awesome video and it would be cool to see 2021 mechagodzilla vs shin
Personally i think the winner will depend on whether Legendary finishes off Shin's "corpse" down to the cells or not. Legendary just has too many advantages over Shin: superior Strength, Atomic breath, durability, speed and experience. However, Shin beats Legendary in terms of healing and coupled with adaptation. Pieces of him were threatning to turn into other Godzillas when given time, which was a literal plot point in the movie. Considering Legendary doesn't usually destroy his enemies' corpses and just leaves, it's possible he could make the mistake of not scorchig Shin's mauled body, allowing it to grow and adapt to become something that will come back to bite Legendary's ass. . Conclusion, the winner will completely depend if Legendary destroys or not Shin's body in it's entirety. Unless of course he has Burning form.
So the battle will depend on legendary's ego and intelligence?
@@jadwayneranzenuri2637 yeah pretty much but well see
Didn't godzilla almost eviscerate monster zero
@@malekat8539 probably because he was still alive and he might know that Ghidorah can regenerate
in terms off defence and atomic breath shin wins also aux weaponry (I'm not including thermo g)
I personally think this battle could go two ways,either legendary is able to almost immediately kill shin before it can start evolving or the battle takes much longer and shin is able to evolve to counter all of legendary’s moves
How do you expect Legendary to kill Shin tho? It’s stated in the movie that even if Shin is blown to chunks he can regenerate at an alarming pace. Only way to kill him is vaporizing him completely or freezing him. None of which LG can do.
@@Cronoroid the thing is that shin (in it’s 5th form) has no real way to kill legendary. Although shin’s atomic blast would certainly hurt legendary I doubt it would kill him, and if shin does use it’s s atomic breath it would overheat and have to go into a catatonic state,giving legendary plenty of time to kill it.
@@julisseperez7810 Shin won’t stay in his 4th form. He will constantly evolve and adapt to LG. And if he goes dormant, LG will probably rip him to shreds, thinking he’s dead, when he in fact isn’t.
@@Cronoroid Inside the movies, Godzilla is capable of sensing the lifeforce or SOMETHING from other living Kaiju from anywhere on the planet, I mean, it took only a single mechanical eyeball for LG to attack that one factory in the beginning of GVsK. If Shingodzilla was defeated, I'm sure that LG would keep grilling and stomping Shin until he was air.
@@thediodoin1000 That’s the thing, he has no way of turning him into air or completely destroying him.
Something that irritates me about this summary. Legendary Godzilla's regeneration appears to be directly proportional to the amount of concentrated atomic radiation he is exposed to. The nuke sent a convalescing Legendary, that they were estimating might take years to fully recover from the oxygen destroying weapon, to a matter of seconds. He is also EXTREMELY resistant to thermonuclear energy, which I would argue would make Shin's breath weapon much less affective.
I agree with this analysis. On the cards, it seems like Legendary G has most of the advantage in a typical titan vs titan fight. But the unusual nature of Shin makes it incredibly unpredictable. The only way I see Legendary G winning is if he could quickly dispatch Shin in a single battle, the way he did with Ghidorah once he became thermonuclear. Because in a protracted battle, the adaptability and mutation potential of Shin would allow it to transform into something that even Legendary G might not be able to counter. Shin is like Ghidorah in a sense, due to its bizarre alien physiology, that it would require Legendary G certain special conditions (like being in a thermonuclear state) in order to definitively win. Otherwise it could go both ways.
Here's a thought: Shin Godzilla is constantly leaking radiation, and his breath attacks are highly radioactive. This would serve to power up Legendary, possibly allowing him to enter critical mass and incinerate Shin completely.
This actually makes sense because we know that Godzilla gets more powerful with more radiation and if shin kept leaking radiation then Godzilla could probably reach the form that we saw in king of the monsters
Either that or he overloads legendary godzilla. That would be messy
@@omegadragon0949 There are also Kaiju that MV Godzilla have fought that also leak massive radiation and MV Godzilla was not able to effectively acquire the radiation that Shin leaks. Plus if MV Godzilla did I doubt he'd be able to render Shin completely annihilated about with half of the amount of power Mothra gave Godzilla in GvK
@@raptorjesus5870 but we don’t know what Godzillas radiation limits are
In KOTM he does have limits. G was about too self destruct bc he absorbed too much radiation from the nuke and his home until Mothra gave him boost.
I'd like to say with Shin Gojira requiring to "charge up" and condense its breath the amount of time it takes I would imagine Legendary Godzilla wouldn't just be sitting there waiting for the deadly beams to come out.
Yea there’s that but shin also canonically got aimbot
If it was Goku it would.
@@brayanluna1461 he still wouldnt kill him
But he o Kay needed to condense his laser the first time he used it. The rest of the movie he was setting those things off in like a second. And he can fire them from anywhere on his body.
@IS-2 Heavy Tank dude stop the cap
I personally think that legendary g-man won because over all he is just more powerful, sure shins got regeneration abilities, but legendary Godzilla is literally the alpha right now, he is the strongest of the titans, so that’s why I think that shin would still lose even if he used his regeneration abilities
The scary thing is Shin was still evolving. If he had been put through the gaunlet of fighting other Kaiju he would quickly evolve into some eldrich monstrosity or even something godlike. I'm pretty sure there were unused concepts that got a little Evangeline in it's design.
3:16 Shin Goji has a weakness between his dorsal spikes. That's why the bunker buster bombs (M.O.P. bombs) penetrated his hide there. It isn't the spikes themselves that are his weakness.
But legendaries actually is durable
Since this was a battle against form 4 of Shin, I'd say the victory goes to Legendary. If form 4 of Shin would need to evolve to beat Legendary, I would consider it the loser. I know it's a bit tricky since Shin can evolve, but if it does then it's no longer the same match up.
As much as i love Shin, i agree Legendary Goji would win against current Shin Goji.
It's Godzilla vs Shin, it's the same matchup, taking that evolution from shin is being biased. But yes 4th form Shin gets bullied by any MV Godzilla.
Well think about it like this if shin was in his first form in the monster verse when it got to it's 4 form it would be more rounded to the world it's in, denying shin the ability to evolve wouldn't even matter because Godzilla likely dose t even have the ability to kill shin in the amount of time needed before he evolves
You say Shin would evolve, but Legendary won’t give him the chance. Godzilla isn’t really in the business of leaving behind survivors. If Shin doesn’t bow down, Legendary will reduce him to ash with his Atomic Breath. And we’ve seen how physically and defensively weak Shin is compared to Legendary, so it wouldn’t even be that difficult to do for the big radioactive lizard.
@@decimation9780 MV Godzilla actually TENDS to leave enemies alone, if he beats them down. Continued defiance is what gets you, and realistically Shin would go down initially, MV would leave and by the time Shin begins wreaking havoc again? He'd of evolved an effective set of counters to MV. Adaption is not against the rules, otherwise the idea of say.. MV feeding off a radiation source(like Shin himself)would be against the rules. While I agree Shin gets STOMPED initially, a second round would get real messy, real fast. Especially seeing what Shin's planned evolutions were? It makes MV Godzilla look like a toddler.
when need a part two with the genetically modified shin gorilla and the powered up leggendari godzilla
This is like Superman Vs Homelander. Where Homelander comes from a world where there are not many powerful foes to fight head on. Meanwhile Superman is constantly tested by the most powerful beings in the universe and he comes through time and time again. There's absolutely no contest.
The moment I saw this pair up, I knew it wasn’t going to be a Legendary Goji win. Shin is… horrifying to comprehend. The only reason it *could* be stopped in it’s movie is because there wasn’t another monster forcing it to evolve in ways that would enhance it’s speed and melee abilities. Shin is, eventually, less a monster that must be defeated and more an extinction event that must be delayed permanently. Legendary Goji having the tendency to leave something behind of his enemy’s corpse, intentionally or not, has already bitten him on the tail once. Without Kong’s interference Mecha Godzilla absolutely would’ve killed him. As mentioned, the same thing happens here. You can technically defeat Shin, but unless you’re very careful you can not actually *kill* him. And what doesn’t kill him only makes him stronger. Even with some misunderstandings (the charge up time being from inexperience, not a natural limitation, etc.) it… just doesn’t matter. Shin keeps coming until you find a silver bullet he hasn’t adapted to yet.
Also shin was supposed to start shedding when he froze hes still alive when he froze i wonder why they stopped maybe cus of the budget
@@anjelousmoonwolf1940 It's because he can't just "shed" it. They used a coagulant on his blood to shut his bio-reactor down completely. His *entire body* is frozen, hence why the human-scale monstrosities he was morphing into were still frozen despite breaking out of the surface. Not only is he frozen but because the reactor is shut down entirely, he can't "restart" until he receives a sizeable injection to kickstart his bio reactor, since a cold fusion start is still several evolutions away.
not very valid arguments. Legendary makes sure they are dead when he leaves them behind, considering he knows the status and location of kaiju at all times it wouldnt be surprising if legendary found out he wasnt actually dead soon, also legendary was fighting a robot designed to counter him in a lot of ways, while having just left a fight that lasted hours with kong and using his beam to blow a hole through earth miles down. its a very one sided fight, because its unfair to shin
@@titanusgodzillaa4274 MechaGodzilla’s very existence proves that Legendary can fail to finish the job *even* when he knows what to do and how to do it. Without the Ghidorah head Legendary tore off in the second encounter MechaGodzilla would’ve never come into existence. Legendary didn’t go find the head and destroy it because his senses pinged Ghidorah as Dead. And with only a chunk like that left over, Shin would obviously shut down to the point where he would ping ‘dead’ as well. Further more, in the MechaG battle Legendary was very clearly losing it because of his battle with Kong earlier. If Kong and him hadn’t set aside their differences, MechaG absolutely would’ve killed one or both of them before he was disabled by the humans. Back to the Ghidorah head for a moment. The head was torn off in that encounter because Legendary believed it a viably critical wound. It was only when he came to the third encounter and saw Ghidorah had shrugged that off with ease that he went ‘okay, need Burning Earth tactics. *Leave Nothing Behind*.’ Legendary can easily make that same mistake here, tearing something off because he thinks ‘this thing is a malformed version of my own species, this is a severe and possibly delayed-deadly blow.’ That’s all Shin needs to starfish a new body to fight Legendary with again. And Shin is not constrained in his evolution and adaptation, so his fifth form would be a bio-style MechaGodzilla on steroids that also out masses Legendary the same way Ghidorah did. At that point, even if Legendary somehow defeated Fifth Form Shin again, he would be so battered and wounded that he would be unable to go Burning Earth on him. You have to get it right the first time with Shin. And that means knowing how he works from the moment you engage. This is information Legendary *doesn’t have* until it’s too late.
@@AzureGhidorah well what you said was not true. Godzilla didnt get to destroy the head for different reasons, most importantly is that the head is actually dead, its just able to signals after being decapitated, that said godzilla rightfully thought ghidorah was dead, because he was, the head would not have done anything had it not been for the company that started using it as a mind for mechagodzilla, but it was still dead. Mechagodzilla was made to combat each of godzillas strong points, yes, but he was only winning against godzilla because godzilla had literally just fought kong for hours wasting his energy and recieving damage from the fight, and he blew a hole threw earth which caused his beam to be depleted considerably, using mechagodzilla as a point as to why he wouldnt win against shin doesn't really mnake much sense since they both would use much different tactics to go against legendary, also the director said had godzilla not been tired and was healthy and full of energy, the fight wouldve been in favor of mecha. Shin genuinly would be taken care of within the first minutes of seeing legendary. Legendary WOULD know that he is not dead soon after shin was down. Godzilla would also most likely not decapitate shin like he did to ghidorah. he would probably use his beam more than melee. Also shin is literally an animal that has so much radiation to the point that it would probably even HELP legendary in the fight, if he gets too much energy where he is about to explode then thats even better, because thanks to mothra he can now release energy in a way which wont kill him.
Props you named all the military equipment correctly. So many people/content creators git this stuff wrong all the time
For Shin, it literally all depends on what stage it's at. As soon as you take a step into stage 4, your odds drop significantly. They only get Shin in the movie because he was resting. Nuking him internationally was the first option for stage 4.
I feel like Shin's fire breath is heavily underrated as a general mass destruction weapon. Its basically useless against kaiju, but against a city? Imagine a firestorm the size of skyscrapers flying through a city at hundreds of miles and hour, so hot it melts everything close to shin and light anything that can physically burn when it gets further away. Just imagine that, EVERYTHING physically capable of burning and a city burning. You could have an entire city wiped off the map in a matter of hours and fires that go on for literal weeks from how much there is. I mean it showed it in the movie, you could see just that small blast from SPACE, imagine a sustained version!
The scary thing is this weapon exists, It's a Thermonuclear Bomb