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I enjoyed hearing his thought process. Please do this more. Turn it into a series. I'd like to hear how others create stories using the cards.
Thanks Joe! Much more to come from this interview series.
I liked it too. For me, I would have answered the questions on instinct and just rolled with it. Guess it’s just another reason why I’m not the one telling stories😂
@@filmcourage I really wonder if it would help if we looked over somebody's shoulders to see how he might use software to go through his process. It's 1 thing to say that he juggles ideas in his head, but it would be nice to see how he marks down his thoughts for future reference. For me, I tried to incorporate any ideas from this channel into using LibreOffice's spreadsheets and word processor. For conflicting suggestions on how to achieve a goal, I might just write the ideas as separate notes, but near each other.
Whenever a person pronounces 'robot' as 'robutt' it reminds my 1950's scifi.
Lulz the old crappy black and white movies?
It's almost like I can see Genius Wheels turning in his head as he speaks to us 😉. Always informative and enlightening! Thanks Jeff Kitchen. Thanks Film Courage. 👏
Glad you enjoyed it! Much more to come!
Before the medicine card and before Jeff mentioned the possibility of a well-intentioned theft, I was recalling the thought experiment about someone stealing an unaffordable medicine so as to save their spouse.
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I absolutely love this content. It’s soooo informative and interesting
I recently discovered The Story Engine and I love it! I'm hoping to get a copy very soon.
I love this! Fun topics kinda wrapped into one. And Robot side kicks are pretty cool. I just got a little classic in the mail I love to call…silent running 🙌🏼 Durn is Crazy Awsome in this one.
I write a lot of songs for now. Might get into screenplays or books in the future. Everyone of these vids that I have watched has improved my hobby and I think anyone telling a story or analyzing a story on any media would be served well by your stuff. I know I have. Thanks.
start now. story is much more fulfilling than music. you get too express yourself so much more imo
@@ljtaylor573 kzhead.info/sun/lLOcY9p8b2irp6c/bejne.html Just me and my guitar recorded with my cell phone. Tell me if my time is well spent or not.
Perhaps you can start with a musical, it’s a happy medium for a start. (Also I find looking into public domain characters to be quite interesting)
Thanks for this, I often watch your videos and they have helped me to start writing and directing for the first time at age 40. Also some of the comments I read here are just horrible, there are some very bitter people out there!
Agent, engine, anchor and conflict, cool concept
Certainly has shades of i robot about it. But updated for modern times. Makes me wish he'd write a full script!
So basically keeping your options open when starting? At what point do you decide? In the past I struggled with keeping my options too open, to the extent where I'd never settle; however, lately, it's been the opposite, i.e. trying to decide everything shortly after the get go. Neither has worked for me.
Sorry in advance if you already know this: Deadlines help with decision making. If your timeline is open ended, you'll most likely have to go through pages of notes and multiple drafts before making any sense of what you have. Then along the way, you get inspired, hear or read something that's coincidentally relevant, and you add that in. Then keep drafting. Things will get more coherent along the way. The editing will happen organically alongside your intended efforts. Picking a theme(s) and sticking to it will help you focus on what's relevant.Explore mini drafts with all the possibilities, and pick from there. You may get material for something else. Writing is hard. Let it initially suck if it must. Write your ass off, spend the time and build that muscle until your decision making becomes more and more intuitive.
You float a constellation of possibilities in your mind as you experiment with how the story could go until one set of them grabs hold of you, or a certain direction starts to gel in a way that you like.
Write, write and write more
The maker of the game has KZhead channel The Story Engine Deck kzhead.info I was really excited to see them used here. Looking forward to trying them out myself.
How about documentaries? How do they approach subjects, are they looking for vertain outcomes or letting things unfold as natural as can be done with a producer/director/camera present?
Where is the answer to the title?
What did you enjoy most about this video?
His breakdown process 👍
Just getting started. Much more to come!
Jeff. I’ve followed his process for years. Thank you for showing him thinking out loud. I agree with another comment that said ‘please do this more’.
I enjoyed the way you probed Jeff. It's one thing to hear an idea, but fascinating to uncover the motives for an idea.
Thanks Kim, we are excited to share more!
Yeah I know this boardgame / card game. Quite handy for the imagination.
How does the title accord with the content of this video?
Biggest mistake is to close possibilities when beginning.
Is there anyway to get that card game?
Nicely done.
Just a comment to Film Courage: When your title is intentionally misleading, to get more views, it suggests that you care more about getting more followers than you care about delivering quality usable content to your actual existing followers.
The doll thing reminds me of “the night of the hunter” where the bad guy his hunting the kids cause the doll has money in it.
A certain machine from an 80's movie is resurrected: "Would you like to play a game of global thermonuclear war?"
What card game is that?
Story Engine
Where / how does one acquire those cards?
😳 well I just has Sophie’s Choice spoiled for me...
I’m profoundly sorry about that. I try to never do that.
First rule: Get a pen
Second rule: Experience pain.
@@anthonybrett If it was good enough for Shakespeare, it's good enough for your softness. Carpal tunnel is not your friend.
Second Rule Have some fun with it
1ST RULE OF WRITING- Do not be boring.
It really doesn't convince me. This sounds like a recipe for another I, Robot or A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, sounds "interesting" bc these ideas are popular and well known, even if we would try to create smth new out of it bc "there's so many possibilities", I'm afraid it would be still too easy to just end up repeating ideas done already.
We are just getting started
I find the automaton the least promising and the servant the most fecund.
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I think this guy might be an INFJ. I relate to him.
I was thinking about this too.. I think he might be an INFP.
Karen the interviewer is an INFJ though.
@@user-vw6xp5nl6t His Ne is strong, but his initial inclination is to connect the dots. He sees the pattern between details, what makes them all “the same” in a way… then it is almost like he catches himself on the second card and makes sure to expand on the different elements - even though he likely instantly realized that “death” summed up the second card similarly to “automaton” summing up the first. Highly metaphorical, looks up constantly to see his metaphors, then tries to pull the proper realistic words out to describe the abstract he’s playing with. That’s not Fi in the least. That’s clear Ni. That’s not a whole lot of Ne in my opinion… but certainly some for sure. He’s focusing on choosing those words awfully carefully for a Fi-Dom……. I highly doubt that. He’s not even Fi-Te axis, unless he’s an ENTJ instead and that Fi is tucked away somewhere. Like I said… it’s like he switched gears on the second card. That brought him to his “senses”, and then he started to justify what’s “timely” (automaton is timely because of A.I. and modern ontological predeterminism debates, especially in the face of a shifting socio-political climate, economic climate, and people are looking to find God (or their own version of Him)); and “contagion” is “timely”…. Etc… he has his finger on the pulse of society and he’s willing to shift how he would normally collapse everything to a point for the sake of providing a more colorful Interview with more detail and substance. He’s incredibly self-aware, but even more-so others aware and catering to that extent. Fi-doms tend to be very “me” focused. INFPs tend to be on the lazier side, more fantastical in their thinking, less realistic; really great fantasy writers, great mathematicians, great psychologists (especially if they learn Fi-empathy; not just the feeling, but the Te-expression and true action). ISFPs do the work, but don’t communicate well at all, but will think all day that they did. But, they have a strong practical sense combined with a very nice child-like intuition. Anyway, I’ve been surprised before. He would know better than me, I don’t decide what people are, they do. Indeed. Thanks for the challenge!
INTJ perhaps.
@@TarzanHedgepeth Thanks for your breakdown. I appreciate the holistic Ni analysis!. I think its hard to judge just based on this one video -- but he's clearly expressing open ended ideas (Ne). He's leaving things open ended -- its Karen who is moving him towards conclusions. He seems happy to keep things open / without conclusion - He would keep going for hours if she left him. That's the impression I get. . He loves exploring possibilities without coming to any singluar conclusion -- he literally says his in the video about holding several possibilities as a cluster of variables. That seems like Ne.
Robot Dr steals medicine to save a dying girl who was denied by insurance but he will b decommissioned for this act giving up his dream
Not very creative if you ask me. Picking random cards? Lol
If one needs a game for inspiration, one has not had a life to write.
Who says they needed it? It’s an exercise.
I think it's more an exercise to generate ideas for the sake of practice which might spark a real idea, not meant to inspire the passion project into being. As a tool, having a starting prompt can prevent procrastination. Just creating stories or outlines for the sake of practice is a way to improve craft for a project that the writer is actually serious about.
@@Ruylopez778 Sure, I have something similar and it's good to experiment with when I'm not actively working on any writing project.
Well. I'm glad you're perfect and never need help. Must be exhausting.
This guy speaks exclusively in birthday cake.
i was going to say how i think it's weird how the film courage is always trying to get the people in her interviews to do brainstorming... but i guess people find value in it. i have advice. which may sound unkind or get her back up in defense. i think most writers are engaging in some form of personal therapy or philosophizing through their writing. they are manifesting their will amd opinions. but you seem to have display consistent behavior on asking others to think for you. it does not seem to focus on getting their approval for your own idea, but for them to somehow validate your own... capacity of a creative process. it often comes up in interviews. and, often, it seems that the people being interviewed will catch the gist subconsciously and guide you to a gentle middle ground in an effort to help. but how do you feel when people in the comments section are constantly asking you for advice? how do they add value to you? their questions do not normally present a personal benefit. it is more like there is a power dynamic being balanced. that isn't just here. it's anywhere. those who have power or ghe appearance of power attracts those who seek validation or some benefit. similarly, i feel the same about almost all your brainstorm questions to the people that you interview. you try to take your own idea or theirs and forcibly fit it into a box, rather than understand the craft. or even give more room for their perspective. this is not always the case, but it happens more often than not. i think that you have a fundamental lack of confidence in your own ability to express yourself creatively. and it may even be why you push yourself to do these interviews in the first place. so. i think i said that i have advice, since i've probably got you feeling annoyed. a writer is making up things. it's all fake. none of it is real. it is a sock puppet show. you want to see your "art" on a canvas in a museum... but art can be cave paintings and hand smears. art uses technology to take shape. and artists take the clay and color pallete to shape it. you can shape whatever you want. an artist creates because they feel a need to. this is their outlet. this is their therapy. and, over time, maybe they gain a sense of what can please other people amd turn their skills into a service. you are chasing answers, film courage. you want others to tell you what is good or bad. the truth is... we all make it up. how many artists are mocked but later become successes? that survive the passage of time? something that speaks to us and bring us together like cavemen gathering around a campfire for warmth? i think that you are afraid to offer what you really think to even yourself. and that's not uncommon. but you aren't using your grasp of the art to help yourself. you are just buying more tools for your toolshed. without building. without failing. without experiencing. pain, fear, shake, guilt, love, wonder, hope, intimacy. where is your voice? when will you speak for yourself instead of asking others to give you one?
What a luxurious comment.
KZhead comments are not the place for articles. No one will read this. I didn’t.
@@PlasmicSteve 😏 I read it
It's not for her, it's for us to observe and enjoy writers' unique takes and methods which there is value in if you are curious about the paradolia aspect of storytelling from random jumping off points: a neat function of the human brain IMHO.
Biggest mistake writers make when creating a story: wrongly pick protagonist gender or/and not have woke story elements... but the worst mistake ever out of all a writer can make: not belong to the Tribe. Pure stats provide these answers.
no disrespect or prejudice to anyone, but, omfg, what a dumb game that is and what a dumb series of questions to put to someone. THERE ARE ONLY 3 STORIES: MAN VERSUS MAN MAN VERSUS MACHINE MAN VERSUS NATURE End of argument. Story is CONFLICT.
Looks like there's only one story, guy.
What about Machines vs Aliens? There are thousands of types of stories Story = characters
@@ComicBookGuy420 Machines are built, designed and created by MAN, so, Machines versus Aliens is: MAN V NATURE If you were to anthropomorphise the machines AND the aliens, then it would be: MAN V MAN
@@AlleyKatPr0 why would I anthropomorphise aliens, or machines? That would defeat the purpose of writing them Aliens don't always occur naturally either And not all machines are built by man Don't limit your thinking When writing Anything can happen
@@ComicBookGuy420 I said 'if', your choice. Alien lifeforms by definition occur naturally. If a machine was not built by MAN, then it came into being naturally, so 'versus nature'. My point stands.