R.C. Sproul: Christ Crucified
2011 ж. 31 Мам.
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The Crucifixion remains the central event of history. The apostle Paul went so far as to say that he preached nothing but Christ and Him crucified. What did he mean? What did Christ do that upset the world so much they had to kill him?
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God opened the eyes of this atheist to the glory of the cross, for which I will ever be on my face in thanksgiving and humility.
Even though I am in my last days, I am so thankful The Lord has allow me to hear these wonderful Words of God. It is the bread of life which substainst me. Also thankful the young ministers who are sitting under the teachings of the scriptures.
Peace be with you friend. May the Lord our God deliver you into everlasting Life. Amen.
Amen
Thank you and bless you for the wonderful teaching of the pure word of God , I am 82 and can’t hear enough ,
Amen to that!! Well said !
Are you still online @almamoore8446? ❤
I never heard in my whole christian life such a philosophical, fascinating and accurate spiritual message from any other Pastor.
Amen!
That quality is just standard protocol for Sproul.
Ravi Zacharias, RC Sproul, and John McArthur are the three wisemen. All can get very philosophical on scripture.
@@brianvaughn5904 let’s not talk about Ravi please. Misleading to unchurched.
A wonderful and unique sermon from the lips of one of the Lord's finest servants of our generation....
“The Church has lost her focus on the cross.” Thank you Heavenly Father for this man, his legacy still teaching those of us that long for good theology and doctrine and the message of the cross!
The Gospel is so deep, and yet so simple. There is nothing more thrilling than hearing it proclaimed straghtforwardly, and truthfully.
It is brethren. Many I know cherry pick from it, looking for a contradiction....little do they know, the contradiction lies within there blindness to which they cannot see the things of God.
Amen & well said my friend. Take care & God bless.
Amen! ❤️🙏 blessed preacher, Gospel truth. Glory to God forever in Christ Jesus ❤️✝️👑🙌
“RC Sproul was the century’s greatest reformer.” ” (John MacArthur at the memorial for Dr Sproul.) Thank you, RC.
Our Lord is truly gracious by allowing us to keep the recorded preaching of this great scribe of the word! 😣🙏
Listened to this great man for years. Truly a champion for christ. Really helped me learn theology and come closer to god. Thanks rc, rest in peace.
I love this genuine and lovely man. Archimedes and St.. Paul,; its lovely to think that this teaching is still availablle.
What a perfectly constructed sermon ! KZhead is such a blessing having free content such as this
God’s amazing gift of wisdom was manifested in the life of RC Sproul! Now in the loving arms of God! Truly grateful for his legacy of teaching sound doctrine!🙏🙏🙏🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️
It's always such a blessing to hear the sweetness of the plain gospel expounded by R.C.. In every message of his, I'm also sent to search out some historical event more fully, as he peaks my interest (Archimedes' inventions). So not only am I fed spiritually, but intellectually as well. Just...What a blessing.
I had to double check his info about Archimedes' inventions too, especially about the 'jaws.' Only to find out that it was not a set of jaws, it was a claw -- and there is speculation as to whether or not it was actually used. Modern recreations and tests have shown that it would certainly have done the damage for which it was intended -- but that's assuming it could have grabbed a swaying and swerving ship in the first place, or that enough horse power was provided to pull said ships out of the water, or that the claw could then even _release_ its first ship and then successfully grab the next one, one after the other. Possible. But probably very impractical, and therefore likely not used.
tears rolling on hearing this message of the Cross
this has helped me to understand than when I am told I am narrow minded a believer of myths and tales to stand firm and not to feel upset but to pray that the Holy spirit will enlighten the heart of the person that cannot see
Glory be to God for giving the church a preacher like Sproul. Indeed, soli Deo gloria
I am also so grateful to hear this wonderful teaching of the Holy word of God, I have always loved the pure scriptures and at 82 have never heard it taught so clearly , God bless your ministry and all that follow , 😊
29:30 I needed to hear this right now. So many of the men I thought would stand have not. I thank God for all men of God but I especially thank God for the men of God who will stand when the cost is high. 29:30
Praise God for this.I am blessed so much by your teaching.I am learning.Thank you.
Amen Sproul. Jesus crucified paid our sins and debts. May we cherish this forevermore. God bless you all.
You are exactly right it's the power of God
I really miss his teaching. Awesome Child and servant of God!
RC speaks on the level of common man, the most uncommon message: the Power of God to regenerate the soul.
“If you want to turn the world upside down look at the world through the eyes of Jesus” - fascinating
We need more people like RC.
thankyou for your inspiring teachings from the prescious word of God
My favorite Sermon of his..
Love his teaching on holy scriptures
Thank you God for R C Sproul
Nah.. I'm happy here doing a service to Him making sure people like you are continually reminded of God everywhere you go.
AWESOME!!!
There's no such Calvinism. There is only one truth, our God, the triune God. John Calvin was just another follower who just happened to see that truth through the Scriptures by the grace of God. And I thank God for his another grace and mercy for preaching His word through truth teachers like R.C., John MacArthur, Steven Lawson, and so forth. May God bless us
Sul Choi AMEN AND AMEN, Sul!
Powerful
WOW thanks for the upload !
Psa. 50:21 "These things you have done, and I kept silent; You thought that I was altogether like you; But I will rebuke you, And set them in order before your eyes."
Amen🙏🙏🙏
Awesome!!
Amen amen.
Exactly
Good stuff!
I think much of the discussion overlooks the simple fact that God exists outside of time. There never was a "time" when He didn't know the course of "time." And in that He stands outside of "time" He is not subject to linear events. "Slain before the foundation of the world." "He chose us before the foundation of the world.".... It is we who are swimming in time while past, present and future are all present before Him at once. But like fish swimming in water, swimming in "time" is all we know. To consider eternity, we always reference to "time."
"Ye cannot serve the Lord. For He is an Holy God..."
17:45 The outward appearances leads to meaningless subjective statements which all demonstrate the foolishness of worldly wisdom. But it is the revelation of God that helps us understand the truth of the cross. Therefore, we thank God that He has imparted to us this understanding, and let us continue in His grace to continue to understand His will, for the moment we take for granted what we have, we become fools and God 27:30 without HS, we would never see the wisdom of the cross 1 cor 2:6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. Why is the church and Christians trying to be acceptable by the world? The greatest honor we could have is to be a fool for Christ. (Now just saying this is foolish to the world). This 'foolishness' is the wisdom of God Himself. For " the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing". "No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began." (1 cor 2:7) None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. ... these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. 10 The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 35:30 "The Spirit searches all things" - HS knows all things already, the Spirit is not searching for God, nay, the HS is searching the wisdom of God for us, to reveal it to us. 38:20 We are not to be the police of this world, but to be a preacher to the lost of this world. We have no power to open anyone's eyes, or to change people, or w/e, but it is God who does this. We are to be like Paul who "resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." Our responsibility is also to look at the world with the lens of Jesus and to be sanctified, justified, nurtured in the revelation of the truth of God to love what Jesus loves, hate what Jesus hates, embrace what Jesus embraces, and reject what Christ rejects. This is the objective truth/perspective not the meaningless subjective views that the world has (who are like those in Moby Dick in regards to the golden doubloon).
Dynamite!
" while satan is busy corrupting the salvation endeavour. How loving " Jesus has not lost one of all those that the Father has given to Him to save and keep. Satan is the biggest tool in God's shed. He is used to temp those who will never belong to God no matter how He draws them to Himself. They perrish because they do not love the truth but instead love the ungodly ways of Satan. We ALL deserve hell, but He saves some of us anyways, yes how merciful and loving out God is.
Ephesians 4'5 says one lord, one faith, one baptism ( spiritual). In this present truth we should not practice water baptism.
" we're surrounded by wimps " One outstanding wimp : Max Lucado.
You flatter your self that you will not be repaid by your own sloth spent in the face of a mountain of iniquities that give you a life of ease. God will not repay you as man repays, because God will actually repay you.
spoken like a true calvinist
Exactly!! As CH Spurgeon said, "Calvinism is simply Biblical Christianity". I am sure that you know that.
Exactly - so tires of the labels from ignorant haters
If everyone was saved then these verses that were preached on would not exist.. its that simple there are those being saved and those who are perishing.. the ones who believe are the ones saved and those who dont arent. simple. and true belief is accompanied by being born again and made new by the Spirit of God. How can you argue that everyone is saved and bought when verses like this exist?
"The holy spirit was supposed to guide the church." He does guide His people. You maybe forgetting that there are many in the church (including some pastors) that do not belong to God. God allows the ungodly to continue in their practices. He uses even the wicked to test and separate His sheep from the world. Some people are saved in these churches, moved by God to study His word, and find that what they are being taught is not what the Bible teaches. Then they come out of the false teachings.
Greg, two questions: 1) Is God wholly and completely sovereign? 2) Look at Matthew 1:21 and John 10:15. In both verses, Christ dies for "His people" and for "the sheep," respectively. I hardly think "His people" and "sheep" are referring to all people who ever lived. You cannot say that Christ died for all men, while saying that not all men are saved.
sherwelthlangley- God the Father draws near to Jesus Christ His chosen, whom The Father has pre ordained before they are born. God does not manufacture but takes each life willing to believe on the Father Son and Holy Ghost and while Jesus accepts them, the Holy Ghost instills His spirit to commune with Human spirit and together it is uncompromised and untethered but with God alone. The children of God are the ones saved from their corporal (bodily) sins, and these are true believers, while others who have been given the gift of life and the opportunity to be drawn, same opportunity as believers, they will not be saved unless they recompense with the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin conduit , lived on earth crucified, died , buried and raised by the Holy Spirit to join the Father in heaven where He sits now until He returns. Not all who say Lord, Lord, will be saved. Those who live , who have lived and who will come to be in this life must accept the conditions- I didn't come up with this, God did - I'm just following His life manual , The Book, The Holy Bible King James Version, pre ordained by God Himself, well written for everyone to understand
No reference, is that a bible verse?
"I will spit in his face/ LOVE YOUR ENNEMIES>" apparently you overlooked the quotation marks; as I was quoting you.
What happened to RC's face back then?
you quoted "he already knows who will be in heaven with him based on their decision." I think you meant to say based on God's Decision, I'm sure you don't go to heaven just because you tell God you made that Choice.. that would make it a basis of what you did and nothing that God did. Romans 9:15, Exodus 33:19, Only God decides who goes to heaven, but what i think you were referring to would be, how does one find favor in God's sight? which would be following his commandments?
Nope, its "following his commandments" AFTER and as THE result of believing the Gospel, repenting of sin and confessing and professing Jesus to be the risen Son of God! NOT BY POWER NOR BY MIGHT, BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAITH THE LORD!
what must I do to be saved? And they said, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. Acts16:30 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVES on me hath everlasting life. John6:47 … and he that BELIEVETH NOT the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John3:36 a man cannot BELIEVE unless he repents of his unbelief. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not BELIEVED? Romans10:14 Jesus Christ is the Son of God. B E L I E V E
As you have measured, you will be also. By your own measure you would walk your self in to hell headlong willingly. Knowing the evil you rest upon would leave you speechless. From the foundation up you slumber upon misery and chide others who do not rest in the evil you put in to practice. Make no mistake... the whole world is guilty before God.
Man,and Lucifer were designed in the image of God who is a mighty leader. Lucifer desired to rule and desired mankind to worship him. Mankind desired to be like thier father, and could not believe that thier father would kill them
Richard, for some reason it won't take my response in the (reply) space below your name, but I would like to offer a response. First, my interpretation doesn't matter awhole lot. But I would say, just as it is true of ALL people that are saved or get saved, just as these that "were appointed for eternal believed" were "foreknown" by God just as the word tells us at Rom 8:29. Also there are several ways this verse can be interpreted if one goes back to the "Greek" but I don't usually do that! It's a very small thing for the creator of the Universe to know who will and won't receive Him!
The verb proginosko is used five times in the New Testament (Romans 8:29, 11:2; Acts 26:5; 1 Peter 1:20; 2 Peter 3:17), while the noun prognosis is attested twice (Acts 2:23; 1 Peter 1:2). In Romans 8:29, foreknowledge is explicitly connected with God’s decree: "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren." (NASB) Romans 11:2 refers to God’s people Israel whom He "foreknew". It is obvious from the context that this means more than prescience. In Acts 26:5, Paul, in his defense before Festus and Agrippa, discusses his own life and the fact that all the Jews have known (proginosko) him for a long time (i.e., personal knowledge). Acts 2:23 and 1 Peter 1:20 attribute God’s foreknowledge to the mission of Christ. Cook comments: God not only knew ahead of time that Christ would be the Lamb (a concept that is self-evident and tautological), He determined it. No other interpretation of [foreknowledge] makes sense ... 1 Peter 1:2 relates to God’s election of individual believers "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit". Commenting on this verse, C. Samuel Storms writes: The first thing that strikes me about the Arminian interpretation of this verse is the utter absence of any reference to faith or free-will as that which God allegedly foreknows or foresees in men. Storms goes on to say: Thus to "foreknow" on God’s part means to "forelove". That God foreknew us is another way of saying that He set His gracious and merciful regard upon us, that He knew us from eternity past with a sovereign and distinguishing delight. The Greek word gnosis (and its cognates) finds its linguistic counterpart in the Hebrew word yada. The Hebrew term refers to knowing with experience or intimacy. For example, it is used of sexual union (Genesis 4:1, 19:8); of personal acquaintance (Genesis 29:5; Exodus 1:8); of knowing good from evil (Genesis 3:5,22); and of knowing the true God (1 Samuel 2:12 - 3:7; Jeremiah 3:22). The Greek noun and verb gnosis and ginosko have meanings that parallel those of the Hebrew yada. In Matthew 1:25, the statement "he kept her a virgin" is literally "he knew her not" (eginosken). Moreover, in Philippians 3:10, the Apostle states his foremost desire, "that I may know Him" (gnonai). The reference in Romans 11:2 also has the meaning of the Hebrew yada: "God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?" (NASB) In this context, "foreknow" is synonymous with "forelove". The conclusion is, therefore, that the word "foreknow" carries a much broader possibility of meanings than mere omniscience. In those contexts which speak of God’s electing or predestinating, the idea of personal causation out of personal love is present.
Reformed scholar Loraine Boettner makes the point that what is foreknown is foreordained: What God foreknows must, in the very nature of the case, be as fixed and certain as what is foreordained; and if one is inconsistent with the free agency of man, the other is also. Foreordination renders the events certain, while foreknowledge presupposes that they are certain. Now if future events are foreknown to God, they cannot by any possibility take a turn contrary to His knowledge. If the course of future events is foreknown, history will follow that course as definitely as a locomotive follows the rails from New York to Chicago. The Arminian doctrine, in rejecting foreordination, rejects the theistic basis for foreknowledge. Common sense tells us that no event can be foreknown unless by some means, either physical or mental, it has been predetermined. Our choice as to what determines the certainty of future events narrows down to two alternatives -- the foreordination of the wise and merciful heavenly Father or the working of blind physical fate. Millard Erickson expands upon the idea that what is foreknown is foeordained and relates it to human freedom: It should be noted that if certainty of outcome is inconsistent with freedom, divine foreknowledge, as the Arminian understands that term, presents as much difficulty for human freedom as does divine foreordination. For if God knows what I will do, it must be certain that I am going to do it. If it were not certain, God could not know it; He might be mistaken (I might act differently from what He expects). But if what I will do is certain, then surely I will do it, whether or not I know what I will do. It will happen! But am I then free? In the view of those whose definition of freedom entails the implication that it cannot be certain that a particular event will occur, presumably I am not free. In their view, divine foreknowledge is just as incompatible with human freedom as is divine foreordination. This line of theological reasoning can be illustrated in the followng syllogism: What is foreknown is fixed. What is fixed is certain. What is certain is predestined. What is foreknown is predestined. As was mentioned previously, Christ was crucified according to the foreknowledge of God (1 Peter 1:20; Acts 2:23). Does foreknowledge in this context mean that God had no absolute plan or no causative personal relationship to the mission of the Second Person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ? It would be absurd to deny causation here. In the same way, divine foreknowledge as it relates to any element of God’s predetermined purpose, must relate to God’s active involvement in bringing the event to pass.
Greg, thanks for replying. Regarding your comment "my interpretation doesn't matter a whole lot", I know you don't mean that. If you do, then everything you've said in all of your posts - including this one - are completely irrelevant, no matter how forceful you are in your argumentation. By definition, understanding Scripture is dependent on our interpretation - which means we need to be willing to be change our understanding when our interpretation is shown to be incorrect. I engage in these discussions periodically precisely for that reason. I need to see how others think (and why) and to be a Berean. I would hope that's true of you. Each one of us comes to the Scriptures as sinners and we need the Holy Spirit to transform our thinking (Romans 12:2, Luke 24:45). I must admit I used to think very much like you in that "foreknowledge" refers to God in His Sovereignty knowing in advance all things that will come to pass; also, I agree completely that it's a very small thing for the Creator to know who will and won't receive Him, but He is far, far bigger than that. The real question is why does anyone choose Him ? You've made it quite plain from your other posts that you believe it is we who choose Him when presented with the offer of the Gospel according to our free will. I believe that, too, but I believe the Scriptures make it abundantly clear nobody will ever freely choose Him if He doesn't do something in us first. I'm sure you'll agree that in our natural, fleshly state we're spiritually dead. The Bible couldn't be clearer on that point (Eph 2:1,5). But that's the problem: believing in Christ is a spiritual act. How can we possibly perform a spiritual act when we're spiritually dead? If we're capable of performing any spiritual act, then we absolutely cannot be spiritually dead. In order to believe, we need to be raised from spiritual death first. "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit" (John 3:6), and "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing" (John 6:63). And so, by the Spirit, we are reborn and enabled to believe (John 6:65). When the Spirit does so, we do believe - freely, willingly and gladly. In other words - by grace alone - rebirth precedes faith. If faith (believing) precedes rebirth, then the flesh not only counts for something, it quite literally accomplishes the ultimate spiritual act, contrary to the above (...the flesh counts for nothing...) Who receives this grace? If everyone, then either all people would be saved (universalism), or some people would necessarily reject this grace (man's will over-ruling God). Neither of these are biblically sound. Since not everyone, who decides? God does. The Sovereign One. (John 6:37,39). What about those He doesn't raise to spiritual life? Again, God's choice, this time to leave them in their sin. "What shall we say then - is God unjust? Not at all! For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.' It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy" (Rom 9:14-16). I know for certain I would have never chosen Him. Had He passed me by, I would have received justice, not injustice. But now, I am deeply grateful He chose to grant me grace instead. He knew I'd respond to His Gospel because He ordained it so. By grace, I put my faith in Him and freely chose to accept Him, after first being born again. Soli Deo Gloria!
Not much that GregSettle can say to refute the overwhelming evidence of the correct interpretation of "foreknew". According to GregSettle God foreknew every single individual. By his own definition, God foreknew who would AND wouldn't choose Him. For whom He foreknew (every single individual) He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son. And those He predestined (every single individual) He called, and those He called He justified (every single individual) and those He justified He glorified (every single individual) So once again, GregSettle and his assumptions and presuppositions onto the text leads to universalism.
LOL! Are you serious? You quoted Joshua 24 where Joshua said "Choose ye this day whom ye shall serve..." and you don't even know that Joshua's response after the Israelites said they would serve the Lord was "Ye cannot serve the Lord..."? Joshua 24:19. Read the whole chapter. And read the book of Judges to see how many times "The children of Israel did wickedly in the sight of the Lord" after Joshua's death.
Mark - As seemingly all foolish calvin philosphy discussions go, this is devolving into a "semantics" game, and I simply will not play! Meaning is ALWAYS determined by context!
Greg, i admire and am grateful of your desire to remain above the fray. However, wouldn't it be foolish to not know the meaning of God's words? i am quite certain "know" in this passage is something more than a knowledge of facts. God is a personal God. WE are not just pieces of info to Him. Of course my wife would really be curious and no one would think her foolish to distinguish b/t if I knew who my neighbor's wife was or if I knew her in the sense knew is used in Matt 1:25 Matt 1:25 and Joseph "knew" her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. Since context determines (your words) what is your your understanding of the meaning then? Please explain and take a stance.
Greg, If you cannot prove by scripture that those who believe in predestination are going to hell, maybe you should quit using hyperbolic words you do not understand like Heresy.
Christ has taken your spit. He has taken your lashings. He has taken your bitter hatred to his own body and born it in the most excruciating death men have surmised and you say still not enough?
stake! "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. they will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who BOUGHT them - bringing swift destruction on themselves." 2 Peter 2:1 What a Savior! He bought/purchased wicked. lying false prophets salvation! What a Savior! Salvation is a gift, that gift was purchased on the lonely hill of Calvary! Won't you receive your gift today? It's bought and paid for!
God wants us all there but he also gave us free will.He is a infinite all knowing GOD and he already knows who will be in heaven with him based on their decision ( Look into Judas) . Just like the speed limit is for all to follow but some CHOOSE not to follow and unfortunately for some ends up in devastation.
:RC Sproul sounds like 16th century name:
SBN and Jimmy Swaggart teach this as well.
No. They don't. They teach the false prosperity gospel.
@@joshuatheo1419 WRONG. They teach EXACTLY"Christ and him crucified" This is where your faith needs to be, on the blood of Jesus. Jesus is basically our attorney as we come before God, the judge. The blood sacrifice of Jesus is acceptable to God.
I'm not here to convince you; that is not a requirement at all. God repays you one way or the other. Hiding behind your pride is up to you.
God is quite loving... you hate God... God is sending you to a place where you can live with people like minded; who have every desire to spit on anything that resembles the one in Who's image you were created.
Hey, I respect RC Sproul greatly, that's why I am on KZhead listening to his sermons. But I do not believe that his interpretation of 1 Tim 2 is very responsible for a scholar of his caliber. I would like to ask him isn't likely that Apostle Paul was saying not to adorn with material things, but with spiritual? I do not know how the women used braids as adornment equal with gold. I braid my hair, I do not look like a spent a lot of money, I look like I didn't just roll out out of bed.Thanks.
Please go back and listen to what RC was saying. The context is very important.
Stop talking and start climbing your mountain. Believers just stay in the forest scared waiting. Only while you are climbing the Holy Spirit will help you but never in the forest.
Do the children of Israel doing wickedly negate the challenge "Choose you this day whom you will serve?"
44:58 45:03
Are you talking to me? I'm not arguing that everyone is saved. I'm telling you that Jesus died for ALL the sins of ALL the people, and EVERYONE may CHOOSE to call on Jesus for salvation. Just because someone may have bought you a ticked to Bermuda doesn't mean you are going there! You must CHOOSE to receive the ticket. Your ticket for heaven has been purchased, have you picked yours up yet? "Today if you hear his voice, do not harden your heart" Heb 3:15 It's a choice friend!
If he died for all the sins of all people, why is anyone going to hell? In your view, God punishes sin twice! First, by putting sin on Jesus, and then punishing humans for not believing on Jesus! In fact, your notion contradicts the meaning of the biblical words for what Jesus did on the cross! Go study and come back.
How about a bible verse or two! "Today if you hear his voice, do not harden your heart" Heb 3:15 Kinda of an odd thing to tell folks that can do nothing but call on the Lord, you know "irrestible grace" and all! copy-pasting? What's that?
.. The wisdom of this world is coming to nothing..
Tell me... was any tyrant, serial killer, rapist born innocent from the womb? Do you think the evil you raise up will not fall on your own head? Point the finger all you like, but justice is not particular to any single participant. Do you think any nation that slaughters it's own has only it's ruler to blame? If someone buys stolen goods, does he not give approval to a thief? How much blood, sweat and tears are shed for a soft pillow? Man has done so to man and yet you charge God?
Fact 1. I read Bible. Fact 2. The reason I know you lied is because I read Bible. Fact 3. "Jesus said it is not you choose me, but I choose you." Fact 4. You said the opposite to what Jesus said at Fact 3. Fact 5. You cite Bible verses, but you never read into it. You move the Text around by copy-pasting, but you are never moved by the Text. You twist the verse that you copy to fit your idea, you never care what the text means. Lie to me now, liar, which of the above, in your eyes, is lying.
Just wait, I know you don't understand now but you will, and you will agree that nothing is unfair or tyranical. No one will have an excuse, the creation itself testifies to God. Everyone has been drawn to God, the evil of most men's hearts cause them to deny that calling. You will see and understand that even you had just as much of a chance as anyone else. But I have a feeling that these aren't your real concerns, just a means to wage a verbal battle that you can't win b/c you deny the truth.
Yeah God is telling me the same thing! DON'T BE A COWARD!
Reformed theology, so blatantly evident and yet so missed by believing brothers and sisters. Hard to understand!
Philly -You didn't go w/in a mile of Romans 5:18, which is telling! I love all the scriptures you provided, they ALL support MY point, not sure why you would use them! "..and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all" Is53:6 That verse by itself destroys "limited atonement" God purchased/bought EVERYONE"S salvation with his death, even false teachers like Sproul, if you're afraid of Rom 5:18, Watch this one, calvinsts are scared to death of it, and run from it like vampires from a wooden
Greg Settle Limited atonement meaning, those, who God already knew from the beginning of time bc He is God, who do not reject the gift of salvation from God. A true conversion includes repentance.... turning from sin, something that is not taught in churches today.
Mark - Jeremiah 1:5 simply means what it says! It certainly does't support the lies of calvinism! God certainly works through His people. We are not saved by good works but created in Christ to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." Eph 2:10
That is what I was asking you to clarify. There are two meanings for the word know. 1) To know intellectually or 2) To know relationally. Which one is your understanding in this Jer 1:5?
I wish you were kidding, but I'm afraid you aren't! But I'll give one verse from Paul that demonstrates clearly he had nothing to do with the lies of calvinism! .........Romans 5:18 "Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for ALL men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justication that brings life for (wait for it, wait for it.....) ALL men!
Dumb. If you are being literal, than no one will be condemned and all will be saved!
The real Messiah Yeshua did not face God's wrathful punishment in our place. but as a testing of His faith as High Priest, God's discipline and scourging(Isaiah 53:5kjv) was upon Yeshua that He as mortal would learn obedience by what He suffered as a legit righteous mortal Son who was made in the LIKENESS(not exactness) of sinful flesh ( mortality) in order to satisfy Fathers Will(Isa 5:10) as a sinless voluntary ransom. Out of love for the elect and ultimately Father, He voluntary endured while despising its shame, the hostility of sinners and the tree as innocent having not done anything against God to be worthy of the tree according to the Law. in order that in His willful death, sin(not Jesus 1 Cor 12:3kjv)would be condemned(put to death) in the elects flesh so we may reconcile towards God being freed from our enslavement and spiritual death. and not condemned of whom are partakers of Christ's Body of suffering, death, burial and resurrection. whom live by the Spirit and not according to the old self that destroys. No where in scripture did any Prophet or Apostle teach that Jesus would suffer divine wrath for us or in our place. Jesus is the set example for why we whom are imputed Jesus' Righteousness by faith alone are chastised and scourged wether we sin or not. There are no proof texts for PSA, all out of deliberateness and or ignorance are only utilizing eisegesis to promote such a false testimony. .
Fear of god is the beginning of wisdom. I know that is true. If we act unwisely, we are punished. Fact. I do believe the rich man is miserable sleeping in his palace. On the other hand, I don't know that anything can justify the illness or torture of a little child.
@@johnstewart7025 of mankind no, of God yes, as no one is innocent before God. Being found in Adam of natural birth, all have inherited spiritual separation from God being spiritually dead and are enslaved to sin not able to obey God properly, thus every inclination of ones heart and mind is evil continually in such a condition, until set free and spiritually reborn by Gods choice to show Mercy. And God has decided beforehand before anyone did good or bad, who will be shown salvific mercy. God as Soveriegn Creator has the sole right to decide who They will forgive without personal merit. If God wanted to be fair, no one of the human race would be forgiven. We would all be doomed as the third of the immaterial beings who rebelled without God willing to forgive them.
@Nicholas TV what's up
@Nicholas TV laying down in my tent trying cool off from this Texas heat
@Nicholas TV what kind of conversation are you trying to have? Let's keep the conversation appropriate, no one needs to read TMI.
that indeed, Christ's crucifixion brought life for ALL men! Now your question is disturbing, because it demonstrates biblical illiteracy. Say I bought tickets to the amusement park this week for my entire class. The tickets are theirs the price has been paid. Some were sick, some missed the bus,but others simply CHOSE not to go! Their ticket was paid for. They rejected my gift, just as thousands reject God's free gift of salvation! "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" Heb3:15
I can say that Christ died for ALL men, because that's that what He says over and over! Put down your Sproul books & read the bible, & you will realize I speak the truth, I'm not being philosophical! Why do u think it's such a big deal for Christ (who is God in the flesh) to know who will and will not be saved? That's nothing for God! God is wholly and completely sovereign, yes, why U think this negates Him allowing for men to choose is one of the more foolish aspects of ur man-made doctrine!
Greg Settle GO AWAY
Did Jesus die for the sins of Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, pagans and atheists?
So if you label sprout a Calvinist what do you label yourself
Cody, you are very confused, as all calvinists are. "for those God FOREKNEW He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son..." Rom 8:29 God KNOWS who will CHOOSE Him, just as David says! God made it possible for EVERYONE to go to heaven, "whosever wills" "And WHOSEVER WILL, let him take the water of life freely" You have believed lies Cody instead of God's word!
Greg, I'm curious. How would you interpret the passage in Acts that clearly states "all who were appointed for eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48)? Context is Paul and Barnabas turning to the Gentiles after the gospel was rejected by the Jews. The passage refers to the appointed Gentiles believing.
GregSettle responded to your comment but indirectly
rdftreeman Thanks for the heads-up. And thanks for your comments, too!
Greg, man DOES NOT do the drawing. It is God who DRAWS. Read your Bible dude. Your man-centered theology has you blind to the truth about God and His work in how He saves a man.
Where did I say that man does the drawing? NOWHERE! Jesus doesn't light some men, He LIGHTS ALL men! Jn 1:9 Jesus doesn't draw (some) men, He said if I be lifted up I will draw ALL men to myself! John 12:32 Jesus does the drawing & lighting...man does just as the Philippian jailer HAD to do....the believing! "What must I do to be saved" He asked, "believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.." Acts 16:31 You calvininsts never try to win folks to Christ, you merely try to convert them to your lying, man-made doctrine! WAKE UP! Irrestible grace is a wicked, devilish lie. Men can and do reject Christ everyday! "You stiff-necked people.....you always RESIST the Holy Spirit! Acts 7:31 Familiarize yourself with the bible, there is NO calvinism in it!
I hear your sentiment and I get it, but calvinism is false man-made doctrine. Sproul is a false teacher. So this "other" gospel of Sproul's needs to be confronted strongly from the saints that know better! "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2Tim3:16