The Predictions Are Wrong | Dr. Judith Curry | EP 329
Ep. 329
Dr Jordan B Peterson and Dr. Judith Curry discuss climate change, the major error in current models and future predictions, academic fraud, and the need for dissenting opinions.
Dr. Judith Curry is an American climatologist with a Bachelor’s degree in geography from Northern Illinois University, and a geophysical sciences Ph.D. from the University of Chicago. Curry is the professor Emerita and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She has had an accomplished career, working with NASA, the US Government, and numerous academic institutions in the field of climate change. Curry advocates for a non-alarmist approach, acknowledging Earth’s rising temperature with a grain of salt-in-field research, and a refusal to shut the doors of science to those with opposing views and findings. In 2017 Dr. Curry retired from her position at the Georgia Institute of Technology, citing “the poisonous nature of the scientific discussion around man-made climate change” as a key factor. Curry co-founded and acts as president of the Climate Forecast Applications Network (CFAN), which seeks to translate cutting-edge weather and climate research into tenable forecast products.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:00) Intro
(3:00) The case for credibility
(12:00) Recognizing fault in your arguments
(13:00) Manufactured consensus
(18:00) Social factors for giving authority to consensus
(19:35) Extreme emissions scenario
(21:38) The error in models, clouds, and vapor
(24:40) The insane complexity of modeling the oceans
(27:00) The Challenger explosion, how the sun affects climate
(29:10) There is no climate catastrophe looming
(32:00) The west Antarctic ice sheet, tipping points
(37:40) The models Dr. Curry helps create
(45:10) What the IPCC neglects
(47:00) Latching onto extremism
(51:00) Greta Thunberg, the sunrise movement, the extinction rebellion
(54:10) Buried for calling out their ethics, climate denialism
(58:02) A PhD is a toe in the water of scientific endeavor
(59:30) Graph manipulation
(1:03:00) Mann, the hockey stick, image fraud
(1:11:20) At the expense of the poor
(1:13:01) More C02 has actually led to more greening
(1:17:25) Lomborg, ranking our problems
(1:22:00) Green apartheid
(1:24:00) The lost potential in demonizing dissent
(1:27:50) Everything is blamed on global warming
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This woman is very very very well versed. She isn’t just agreeing with Jordan. She prefers to correct him , and or add to what he says because she knows much more. And he lets her. Which means he’s open and a great interviewer. Bravo.
Isn’t she well paid by fossil fuel industry?
@@gd303uk I don't think so. Where do you get that?
@@gd303uk you mean they fund her research?
This woman knows nothing about climate and she is a total fraud and I would love to get these so-called Climate Scientists in a court of law and make them tell the truth!
@@rodkeh you sound like a zealot who's religion is being criticized!
Dr. Curry has taught us more about this subject in about an hour than we have learned from politicians and the media in the USA in at least 30 years.
And she didn't yell at us about The End is Near 😂. The end is always near, Mr. Anchorman, so tell me something optimistic that I can do.
Well: Politicians are not teachers, so you should NEVER listen to them to learn anything. They will lie, construte, mischaracterize what they want to lie, construte or mischaractize about. The only politicians that are a bit more trustworthy then your next door used car broker are politicians who never wanted to be politicians, like Donald Trump or Dwight D Eisenhower (the only reason he became president was to avoid that some shady politician would use the nuclear bomb to destroy the soviet union, which was a valid plan in the beginning of the 1950s!) And sorry, media will also not explain you complex topics in a meaningful way. Journalists are trained to dumb down every topic to a point where its so one sided and wrong, that you could also just believe the next crackhead on the street
Well... politicians will be... politicians! Media just follows trends, and if fear is involved, the better. Media will be media.
The planet has heated and had ice ages. It has done it 7 times over thousands of years. The time for another change is overdue. Just because we are here doesn’t mean the planet will not continue its cycles just because we are here. It never ends well for anyone that tries to go against the plans God has. 🙏🏻. Plus none of these “experts” really know what will happen…all they can do is guess. I will stand with Jesus, the One Savior that knows how this ends.
@@marykirby9434"Good luck with that!", as JBP would phrase it.
Dr. Curry is a legend in climate realism. Some of us have been fighting this battle for decades now, and she’s been so great.
Don't you think the recent events, droughts, massive forest fires, flood elsewhere, tend to prove you wrong ? I know, correlation is not causality, but prudence would be safer. And we are gaining 0,3°C by decade. Not much. Just do the math for a century. I can't already use the upper level of my house in summer (South of France). From June to September, we live in the dark. The winegrowers water the grape. Never seen. But water is rationed. Judith Curry's position is political. I read her "Plan B", it's vague. She is out of her area of expertise, lists generalities and doesn't talk much about climate. In her introduction, I found this absolute stupidity : "If climate models are to be believed, reducing emissions will do little to improve the 21st century climate, with effects only occurring in the 22nd century and beyond." That shows she just didn't understand the fucking problem. We don't do that for us, but for the future generations.
You’ve been fighting this battle for decades? How old are you?
@@universalmonster4972 not everyone is a child, I remember the alarmism in late '70s over a potential ice age! Yes, some people have lived "many winters", National Geographic was huge success in 1970's, lots of environmental interest so.......... why do disbelieve someone saying they had an active interest in climate/environmental issues for decades?
Me too at 74, they, the scientists at the time, wanted to spray coal dust on the ice caps to warm the cooling weather. @@littlefishy6316
@@ofdrumsandchords Forest fires are not greater in size or frequency than they were 100 years ago. Drought is not increasing globally - the planet is greening. Hurricanes are not greater in size or frequency than they were 100 years ago either. Regional changes in weather patterns do not constitute a global climate emergency. The climate is always changing. Always has. And where on earth did you read 0.3 C per decade. That is patently false. According to HADCRUT4 (the longest standing global temperature record) we have gone up about 0.7 C since the 1940s (the period where mass production and rapid industrialization began) and about 0.5 C the 70 years prior to that. Saying that Judith Curry is out of her area of expertise along with your idiotic lack of knowledge of even basic climate related data clearly shows you don't a have clue what you are talking about. Curry is a Professor Emeritus and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology and currently runs the Climate Forecast Applications Network, a climate-risk consulting company. She has published over 130 scientific peer-reviewed papers. If there was someone who was more of an expert on "the fucking problem" they would be hard to find.
Can you imagine, for one moment, what our world would be like if we could all have respectful discussion such as this one? I have been enlightened and humbled by watching this exchange between two exceptional minds. Thank you. 1:10:20
Its amazing how humans havnt been able to evolve beyond solving our differences by picking up the nearest rock to beat each other with or just nuke each other❤🇿🇦😌
IMO thats why they want to censor everything, everywhere.
True and keep in mind regardless of who is speaking that - Models are not reality Data is not truth Numbers don’t represent facts They may but in and if themselves are just something someone put together…a creation of sorts.
You can say that again! I'm sick and tired of people excusing socially inappropriate reactions when encountering a differing or opposing opinion. Calm down, Gladys-es! You can barely write your names to act like a moral authority policing what everyone is saying. I swear all these people have only helped making words like conspiracy theorist, racist, bigot, etc lose their meaning.
Can you imagine if people did what they claimed they do? What if people who say "you can't trust politicians" mistrusted politicians even when they're on their side? What if people who complain about the corrupting influence of money in science were actually skeptical when scientists made huge claims? What if those virulently opposed to bullying stood up to it even when their side committed it?
I love that Jordan's guest are honest and open. They tell him exactly when they agree or disagree. They're not afraid to correct him. He's not afraid to ask for clarification. That's fundamental but sadly not too common these days.
This would be a sign of a good psychologist. Interview skills are imperative, and not inserting oneself too much into the "conversation" is part of discovering what might be the underlying issue for a patient. It doesn't hurt that Mr. Peterson is wickedly intelligent, but his clinical training keeps him from jumping too far into the discussion and making it all about himself like many interviewers end up doing.
To some extent, Jordan reminds me of the great sportscasters like Vin Scully. Jordan KNOWS when to just be quiet and let the subject "speak".
Yes, we can all learn from their example. And perhaps even improve upon it.
This is what I know discussion is.
Yes she’s doing that to come across as being independent-minded and interested only in the facts. She knows she has to get people to see her that way if she is to gain support for her position.
More of this, please. You're an oasis in the madness we're going through dr. Peterson.
Ya because thats how science facts work, you all line up and vote on it... then thats what happens... My God Ive seen toasters with more common sense
@@stevewilson4321 Care to elaborate a bit please? Because what I see is that the "scientific community" votes and decides what goes on and when they don't get it right, they just shift the goalposts. And they're so ardent in their "science" that they don't have trouble quashing some contrarian voices to oblivion; totally insecure if you ask me.
@@user-zf5bj1nn1r Well last time I looked at the history of SCIENCE I didnt see a VOTE on anything... Science is consensus not a democracy. When its not right its corrected and made closer to truth... How terrible is that? I noticed you failed to address any issue in science using FACTS... Just because YOU dont like what science says thats not a reason to attack it... Its a chance for YOU to evaluate yourself... Of course you rather find some excuse to ignore it...
Death is hard?
@@stevewilson4321 When science claims authority but stands corrected, it's disastrous. Like drugs, tobacco in the beginning of the century, glyphosate, DDT and the opiod epidemic the USA is suffering right now, since "scientific" pharmaceutical companies said that "it's settled science" that opiods don't cause addiction etc. I never tackled the subjects, and what JP and Lomborg discuss is how to deal better with an ever changing environment, not if something is happening in the mind of Al Gore and the other delusional doomsayers. Also, don't be such a person; stop projecting and virtue signaling. It's unnecessary.
I loved listening to Dr. Curry for years and was disappointed when she dropped out of public view. I am glad to see her again. She and Dr. Peterson are demonstrate the demeanor of scientists. Feelings have no place in science discourse.
Great to hear a Scientist.
This is what a strong woman looks like. What a beautiful thing it is seeing a strong man and woman having a deep and productive conversation as equals.
Beautiful lady
Follow the money. Fossil fuel subsidies were $5.9 trillion in 2020 or about 6.8 percent of global GDP. Source: Parry et al. (2021) "Still Not Getting Energy Prices Right: A Global and Country Update of Fossil Fuel Subsidies"
@@garysarela4431 IMF shills, cooked data, bogus analysis, all adds up to BS.
@@garysarela4431 There's more money promoting climate, and it's rooted back into the 80's from the west hating UN.
This is what stupidity, incompetence and denialism look like, is much more accurate.
Two incredibly brave people, who remain unafraid to speak their beliefs, regardless of the personal cost. We need more Dr. Currys and Dr. Petersons in the world.
Impressive articulation of speech. Moses needed Erin. The return of the King comes after the false saviour. Schwab,/Gates/NWO, USA, Putin, Pope, Japan, King Charles, Non-Masionic Jews/Islam.
Awhile ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist." I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever. I've had other experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart. Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them. Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, and forgiving, To All.
I have just released a film called The Green Man & The Dragon in Eden which does just that, largely exploring the topic being discussed here, I believe you may enjoy it. It is at the top of my channel page. Faithfully, JPW.
@@narsakucanada154 Jesus was Jewish, you need Judaism.
@@davidabulafia7145 Makes no sense.
Im glad I am alive at the same time as Dr.Peterson. You truly are one of the great minds of our time. May Christ walk with you all the days of your life
Reminds a bit of what happened during the covid pandemic, scientists clubbed together around dodgy modelling, shamed anyone who disagreed, and scared the shit out of everyone whilst trashing the economy/ ruining people's lives
So in other words, you don't read the science, you just parrot conspiracy BS. Got it.
They were leaned in to produce the data to backup policy, just as with Covid
One and the same. I'm sure the only models being released are the ones that advance the desired agenda. Just like covid.
I still tell peopl and i had basic statistics in the university of Psychology. If i did what google and jornalists did gadering the data straight from the hospital deaths straight into the news outlets and daily cumulative counting graphs, that were updated by the hour, WITHOUT double checking if you are not collecting the wrong data, wich can take from weeks TO YEARS to depending on the study, i would receive and F and still be ridiculed in front of the class for not paying attention to this very basic step.
Dr. Curry is also a very accessible and kind person who treats people with questions as intelligent adults. Great person.
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE IN TURKEY TO RAISE AWARENESS! Thousands of Turkish people are under buildings waiting for help in freezing weather due to one of the biggest earthquakes; the Government left people to death; please; I’m begging share this with your followers. People are not dying due to earthquakes but dying because of not adequate help (and because of that, the government hides the number of deaths); they are still alive, screaming for help under buildings, their relatives hear their screams, but no rescuer is there to help them :( Anyone who Googles it and reads it 5 min can understand our desperation :( (note: please share the ‘’ahbap’’ organization ( this is not a government organisation but public help organization))
I don't think much of the people who spend their lives in academia. they are brainwashed
If possible please repost parts or all of this video on all social medias you have access to. All need to know the truth. Thank you. 02/17/2023
“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front to control it.” HL Mencken
Thank you Dr Peterson and Dr Curry. I deeply respect and applaud you both.
0:25: 🌍 The speaker criticizes the developed world for urging developing countries to cut carbon emissions without providing support for their economic development. 9:55: 🌍 The speaker criticizes the behavior of scientists in the climate change debate and emphasizes the importance of uncertainty in scientific research. 18:43: 🌍 The uncertainty in climate models and the lack of understanding of ocean circulation and solar forcing are major sources of uncertainty in climate projections. 28:16: 🌍 There are uncertainties in climate models and factors like ultraviolet, stratosphere, cosmic rays, and magnetic fields are not factored in. 37:27: 💼 X provides a broader range of climate scenarios by considering natural variability and low-end climate sensitivity values, which is of interest to insurance companies, financial institutions, wind farm owners, and electric utilities. 46:32: 🌍 The policy response to climate change has been driven by political motivations rather than scientific evidence. 56:08: 🌍 The speaker discusses their involvement in the climate change debate and the controversy surrounding the hockey stick graph. 1:05:01: 🌍 The interview discusses the issue of hiding the decline in the paleo-climate record, the labeling of the interviewee as a denier, and the importance of understanding uncertainties in climate science .1:14:20: 🌍 The speaker argues that the impact of fossil fuel warming on weather and climate is negligible and that urgent emissions reduction would harm the economy and make vulnerable populations more at risk. 1:22:51: 🌍 The conversation discusses the negative impact of climate change policies on developing countries and the prioritization of mitigation over economic development. 1:31:39: 🌍 The speaker discusses the tendency to attribute all problems to climate change, which simplifies complex issues and allows individuals to present themselves as morally concerned. Recap by Tammy AI
"The speaker argues that the impact of fossil fuel warming on weather and climate is negligible and that urgent emissions reduction would harm the economy and make vulnerable populations more at risk." That sums up her opinion. Economy before climate. That's a stupid bet.
"The policy response to climate change has been driven by political motivations rather than scientific evidence." Did they prove that ? I noticed that people attacking IPCC say the models are wrong, spread doubt over climate change, but never demonstrate what they assert.
Thanks for this recap. You should know already that the IPCC has been fighting for the Loss and Damage fund for years, with developed nations promising funding and then not paying up.
@@ofdrumsandchordsNo, it’s common sense before unsubstantiated panic.
@@ikhtiarsobhan Common sense is the other word for stupidity.
Judith Curry was the first person I found on the internet when I went looking for contrarian scientists a few years ago. The reason I went looking for contrarian scientists was because my own little data set saw no impact of climate change. And I began to doubt the narrative and the so called science of climate change. Thanks Dr Curry!
Since 2010, i begin to doubt because i discuss with people who had made their homework. Then i was sceptic about the fact that we were using «low emission» for «green». Finally, myy own research in official canadian papers showed me that canadian climate has never been seriously studied, that we have no idea (canadian paper's are based on IPCC prediction and not on factual proxy) AND i saw by myself that some data had been «corrected». I work 50 km away from home. In 10 years, around the highway, i saw the land being massively changed, a lot of parking lot, shopping mail, even small city's, . SO no evaporation from trees (no more trees), no albedo and massive heat accumulation during the days. So on that 50 km alone, where the temperature use to be 2,3, or 4 colder than the the closest city (MTL), it is often the same. But you go 10 km north and it is STILL colder, as before. My point, whit these fact alone, you have «warming», but is it cause by CO2, i doubt it. Albedo is much more plausible (green trees VS black higway...) Guess what, where there is an official meteo station, that uses to be surround by forests, the is now a suburb...
I was about 6 or 7 when that I can remember the first time I heard of the Climate Change Grift. It was called Global Warming at the time. Every decade or so, "Experts" would give the grift a new name. After several decades went by (I'm 50), and nothing really changed, I did a little digging. Humans Occupy roughly 5 percent of the earths surface. 5 PERCENT! They tell us that we produce to much co2. You know what needs co2 to grow? The Plants that provide us with oxygen. Guess what happens when there is no CO2?. They have convinced the masses, that the 5% of area that humans occupy on the Earths surface, can effect the earth's climate. LOL Humans have the same effect on the earth's climate, as a fart in a hurricane.
I was challenged to explore the "denier" side of the argument. I did and found Suspicious Observers YT. It's the Sun.
I found her in n Quora You can’t imagine all the people there who called her attack People with no scientific background at all She was reported and blocked so many times she just left
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
This is candidly the best climate podcast I’ve seen so far. Bravo. You each make excellent points on what’s likely to happen and what isn’t, and to what degree we should be concerned about which scenarios. Speaking of Lomborg, I reckon you should invite him to do a four-way podcast between you two, him and Michael Shellenberger; you’d all make pertinent points on how people should see climate change the topic and what policymakers should do in which parts of the world and how. You could call it “Manageable Climate/Environmental Proposals - How to Help as Many People as possible with the best solutions for the Lowest Cost”.
Tom Nelson's channel is an excellent source of regular climate podcasts with the likes of Judith Curry. He has 186 interviews in his playlist plus more playlists from other channels. You might find some similarly interesting if you've not already discovered his channel.
This should be world wide news. It's astounding what's going on.
I’ve been following her work for a long time. She’s a rare example of intellectual honesty in a field utterly corrupted by ideology and easy money
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Michael manning is a fraud and needs to be called out for it. Data fraud is a heinous crime in the world of science.
@@minibrownliger what are you laughing about from what I've seen the climate lobby is putting millions of people into poverty and holding back the changes away from fossil fuels through apocalyptic predictions that are unlikely to take place any time soon. if the had just left us alone the we would be moving to we would be moving to change away from fossil fuels without this fuel shortage we will be facing soon with the reduction of oil exploration. All they have done is slow down the change as people are worry about food on the table not with changing the amount of CO2 they expel. Gas has become more expensive people have changed to wood and coal, we done.
@@matthat8125 original comment described curry as intellectually honest. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. It's right up there with Caitlyn Jenner is a beautiful woman. Hell, this might be worse.
@@minibrownliger AND your credentials on this matter would be????? or, you just pray at the alter of Saint Greta...
Why do I love Jordan B Peterson? He's a shining light in the darkness. Brave and speaks truth. A modern Samuel Adams. Love this man.
Good Bot.
He is a shining light indeed.. He's the angel who brought light to the world and will shine the light on those who lie in government. This is the main reason they want to shut him down or cancel him
He’s an example of what Teddy Roosevelt called The Man in the Arena.
What does beer have to do with this topic?
What makes you think hes speech is "truth" ?
DR JUDITH CURRY IS A COURAGEOUS, AMAZING, INTELLIGENT WOMAN!
Thank you for this gold standard free education 👏
Gold standard? From a clinical psychologist with no climate science training? From Judith Curry, who has been roundly debunked in the scientific literature?
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 which scientific literature? Those written by alarmists?
@@materioverda1655 The scientific literature that's been peer-reviewed in credible scientific journals. TEN separate studies confirm the scientfic consensus on climate change, by the way. TEN. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. The latest IPCC report cites over 13,500 studies, which were conducted by over 39000 scientists from over 2500 scientific institutions around the world. Before blindly believing a clinical psychologist with no training and a climate scientist who the data refutes (among other things Curry claimed global warming had permanently stopped in six different years from the 90s through the early 2000s and was wrong each time), read up on the science. Cornell University last year audited the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and found a 99.9% consensus that human activity is driving global warming. If 99.9% of bridge engineers warn me not to cross a rickety, dangerous bridge, I'm not going to put much stock in the 0.1% who disagree, especially when some of them work as bridge toll collectors.
Finally! Dr Currie a perfect guest to speak on climate etc.
Dr. Jordan, your most recent talk on the JRE was fantastic. Thank you for continuing to speak the truth while so many others continue to be afraid to speak out.
Truth? Lol. He is a religious zealot bought by fossil fuel money to gaslight the not so bright, just like he does with religion. Lol
He finally took the sparring gloves off. Threatening his license was the last straw. Now Jordan is going raw.
Yes, I agree about his last chat with Joe on JRE.. Jordan was firing on all cylinders and I feel that he is actually continuing to improve even more. Joe just mostly sat and listened.. as would I. Very very impressive and well done 👏
You're my hope, not for me, for my kids and grandkids.
Lets make Graphene with co2
Dr. Curry is one of the foremost expert on the subject, publishing 130 peer reviewed papers, and it is an absolute crime she has been ostracised from this debate. Thank you Dr. Curry and Dr. Peterson.
I was sold on climate change until I started studying the subject intensly. I then also saw through the WEF gameplan
How many of the over 350,000 climate studies published in the last fifty years did you read to come to such a conclusion? If the answer is ZERO, how could you possibly know it's bogus? TEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. TEN. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. The latest IPCC reports cites over 13,500 climate studies. How many have you read? ` Please by all means post your data that refutes the world's climate scientists. I'd love to see it.
The reasons Dr. Curry left academia are the same reasons I left immediately after earning my PhD in atmospheric sciences. I ran models as projections for past years and compared to multiple reanalyses. My dissertation showed that climate models produce extreme solutions in whichever direction they go. I figured as a newly minted PhD, I'd be welcome nowhere with that as my conclusion. I can't like this video enough.
Is there a way to read your work? It sounds interesting.
Our of curiosity, what did you do once you decided to not use your education?
@@criticalcommenter You might be thinking of brainwashing. The climate change nonsense is turning my country into an unaffordable mess. She speaks the truth. You can fix your model to come out anyway you wish. Consensus is not science.
Yeah, what are you up to now?
Please, the world needs people like you, don’t ever give up.
I have long followed Dr Curry’s work on climate science and have missed her excellent commentary in recent years. She has long been at the pinnacle of rational thought on this important subject. Thank you Dr Petersen for a most invigorating discussion. I sincerely hope you will schedule follow-on with her.
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
One Edward to another lol
Yes please! And next time, Dear Dr Peterson, please let the woman speak! :-)
Why did Exxon hide its own science data it had from its successful climate models which are based on effects of CO2? Some say this news is evidence of malice, misinformation of fossil fuel indistry and so justifieing the man made climate change hysteria.
@@seanleith5312 Isn't this YT? Aren't you viewing it here?
Gracias Dra Curry y al Dr Peterson.
Professor Curry is great.Glad to see her on your show.
Dr. Curry deserves our attention.
What also deserves attention is the fact that her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is. (By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
@@truthmatterstoday I changed my mind on solar after I learned of its short-comings. Michael Shellenberger did the same. Even though we wanted solar very much to be the solution. Especially me, living in the Mojave Desert trying to support my family's electrical contractor business. Dr. Curry saw the common-sense of it and the intent of globalists to leverage anything that will give them more control.
@@randellhynes those are discussions we can always have. And those are openly held in many countries. Nothing wrong with arguing about the right way to fight man-made climate change. Absolutely necessary actually.
Thank you for your Bravery coming on here Dr. Curry, you risk a lot by standing up for this cause
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What a Home Run! This woman is a treasure! The narrative is being destroyed by calm, rational thinking and long form podcasts. Thanks again JBP!
Nothing destroyed here. Curry is well known for citing long debunked strawmen arguments one after another. That's all she does here. Sorry, no luck for you in here.
@voster77hh you wish! The marxist power grab is being shown for what it is. JC & JBP are being heard. You and your ilk will find yourselves relegated to the same place in history as the boy that cried wolf. Ashamed end embarrassed.
@@voster77hh ah yes, the character assassination with nothing approaching specificity. Good job, comrade.
This podcast was amazing. Very cool to finally hear opposition views. We need dr. Curry on the Joe Rogan podcast - that will give her a new massive audience.
Very impressive discussion on the ‘climate change’ debate. This should be compulsory viewing for all the Extinction Rebellion goons stopping people from getting to work and hospital appointments etc.
This woman is pure class - I am going to put a picture of her up on my daughters wall!! She has even managed to direct a conversation with JP and may even have spoken more. A rare achievement!
so true
Lol this is comical
@@nellanellaperched6767 What did Judith Curry say that was incorrect?
@jameschapman2720 oh I didn't mean at all that in like a sharp or rude way, I meant her comment was made me smile in a laughing kind of way. JP is a hell of a talker, so for anyone to take steal the stage from him is kinda funny 😅 I can see how you read it like that though, especially these days
@@nellanellaperched6767 Thanks, you're one of the most respectful people i've ever come across in any comment section. Bless you. yes, it is easy to misinterpret things in such highly charged times politically. Regards from NZ.
Jordan Peterson is a great man with great advice.
Who comments on things he has no expertise in. Dangerous, like other experts who think they can comment on anything, and as long as he voices opinions that fit the alt rights narrative he'll make a lot of money I guess. What shocks me about him is is lack of empathy or respect for other people's views- exactly the opposite of what I think a good psychologist should be like
@Mark Girvan what shocks me is a left winger will always trash a conservative. Both sides make great points and instead of trying to trash each other just work together. 🙄
@@markgirvan5980 the experts use they feelings, she says that! Dr Peterson uses facts!! Experts should not use feelings!!! Great job dr Peterson!!! Using facts!!! Not just feelings
@@markgirvan5980 that’s cause we don’t care about your feelings!!! Grow up!! Man up!!!!
@@markgirvan5980 It sounds like you didn’t listen to the discussion. Early in they both comment on place of empathy in a scientific discussion.
This just magnifies the void of critical thinking and having an elevated discussion on the topic. It's a long episode but well worth your time to watch or listen to.
I love listening to Judith Curry's truth in science and sound reasoning as much as I love to watch Steph Curry play basketball. They both are proven players by their honest performance and points
Go nuggets
Listening with an open mind, I've changed my mind about these issues. And one immediate benefit is that I'm not as fearful about the future as I was. Thank you both for this interview, and thank you Dr. Curry for your good work. Keep it up!
I'm more fearful of what the politicians will do than I am of what the climate will do.
Am glad it helped you with that. I was explained to about these coming deceptions with both ozone and climate back in 1989 by a very brilliant, but comely man. Who had connections high up in the Masonic society. It was while I was in refrigeration school so the ozone aspect was a thing to learn about. The ozone levels change during every solar cycle. As we go into solar maximum for each cycle the levels of ozone goes down and then it goes back up during the minimum of the cycle.
@@frankenz66 the masonics know their stuff, brilliant.
Always remember politicians use Fear because it’s easier to control people.. Fear, Safety, Dualistic thinking.. Read up on Edward Bernay’s “ father of Propaganda “ … they have used and perfected techniques for a hundred years Corporations use this marketing method; also look into NLP programming upper management are sent to these types of classes
@@katadam2186 "Those who would surrender essential freedom, for a little short term safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety" Ben Franklin.
This is one of the best conversations on the global climate I’ve ever heard. Thank you Dr.Curry and Dr.Peterson and co. for making this happen.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, one of your best interviews on a topic that needs a lot of clarification.
Jordan’s show is number one. Solid gold
what were you smoking?
I remember seeing Dr. Judith Curry on CorbettReport in 2017 - very happy to see she is getting the attention she deserves now. Keep up the good work Dr. Peterson!
She is a charlatan and should just be ignored. As for Petersen he is just a right wing nut job.
It's worthy of note that when actual scientists talk about complex subjects like climate they never say the things that journalists and politicians are always telling us they say.
and when does this happen? please post links to anything that supports this please.
@@mrunning10 I think you may have missed the point - whic is that it NEVER happens. It never happens because no qualified scientist today believes there is any "climate crisis", current or impending, so they will not say it. Journalists and politicians, who know nothing of science will continue to parrot this vapid tautology in yet another example of humans' propensity toward mass hysteria. It is today's witch hunt, today's satanist scare, today's commie scare, and the fact that millions of uninformed people feel it is the defining crisis of our time offers precisely nothing in defense of this unscientific fashion trend.
Its true, politicians and journalists are trying to invoke fear and other emotions. That is part of their job, scientists have a fundamental pledge to being unbias and working towards the truth and nothing else.
I often hear scientists quoting media about climate change. It’s rare that I hear that citing journal articles.
@@veronicagrave159 Because they never look at them, let alone, READ them. Nor could they understand them. What's your point? Congressmen listen to the fossil fuel lobbies and their BILLION dollar influence peddling.
Very balanced, intelligent interview. Thank you.
I can't believe this is happening, i' a Peterson fan since C-16 (Canadian "hate speech law" ) and i follow Curry since 2019... I'm so happy see these two having a conversation together.
There is no such thing as hate speech. There is stupid speech and unpopular speech. But "hate speech" is a construct to silence speech!
@@highroller-jq3ix Not an actual refutation of anything but yourself. Good job.
@@highroller-jq3ix Projectionism doesn't work anymore, pass it on. 😉
@@highroller-jq3ix Are you going to be citing any sources that back up your statement?
According to Brenda Cossman, a professor of law at the University of Toronto, Peterson is “fundamentally mischaracterizing” Bill C-16. “I don’t know if he’s misunderstanding it, but he’s mischaracterizing it,” Cossman says. (Brenda Cossman spoke to Torontoist about this, but you can find what else she’s said on the issue here.) Cossman says it seems Peterson is trying to argue that the misuse of pronouns could constitute hate speech. “I don’t think there’s any legal expert that would say that [this] would meet the threshold for hate speech in Canada,” she says. Our courts have a very high threshold for what kind of comments actually constitutes hate speech, and the nature of speech would have to be much more extreme than simply pronoun misuse, according to Cossman. “The misuse of pronouns is not equivalent to advocating genocide in any conceivable manner,” she continues. “If he advocated genocide against trans people, he would be in violation, but misusing pronouns is not what that provision of the code is about.” Cossman, who has participated in a debate with Peterson, takes issue with the way he uses the language to describe what could happen if he was found in violation of the Ontario Human Rights Code. “If he was found guilty by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, he would have been doing something illegal but not criminal,” Cossman says. In other words, he wouldn’t go to jail. Jail is only a punishment for committing a criminal offence-a violation of the Criminal Code. If Peterson was found to be in violation of the code, there are different possible remedies. He could be ordered to pay money, he could be ordered to correct the behaviour, he could be ordered to go to training, etc.
Dear Dr. Peterson....thank you very much for listening to your audience. Dr Curry, is one the best and most serious climate scientists out there.
The problem is scientific research funding. Companies that pay researches to do research put pressure on the researches to deliver and prove certain things and researchers can lose funding if prove something else
I loved it when she mentioned the Sun and Ocean. Solar forcing and Grand Solar Minimums are powerful. The Thames river hasn't had ice in it since 63 (half an inch)but in the Maunder Minimum(1645-1720) the ice was so thick they had "Frost fairs" horses pulled the booths. For ice to hold 1500lbs it's got to be over 6 inches thick. If you add to that a major volcano. Can you imagine if the temp in Europe went that cold next winter?
Judith did a very good job of standing by her beliefs, knowledge, and understanding, even if it means pissing people off.
Standing by her believes? That’s quite funny. her views changed drastically once she started to receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. It’s a very important fact, that Peterson surely just forgot to mention. Before that she agreed with the consensus mostly, that humans are the main cause for global warming and the dangerous threats resulting of that. But once her private company started to generate massive funding from fossil fuel companies, she all of a sudden threw away her former believes. Many of her claims nowadays have been exposed to be wrong, and for good reasons she doesn’t write scientific articles anymore that go through peer-review. Wonder why that is. (By the way, all of Peterson’s last 3 so called experts on this topic receive fundings from the fossil fuel industry. People have to keep that in mind while listening to those people.)
Beliefs belong at the end of that string, and better phrased as opinions, IMO. Arriving at conclusions that solidify as rational convictions through the scientific method of investigation is a far cry from believing we're doomed because you're having nightmares after watching a scary youtube video with flashy animations of continents being inundated. But that's just where we are. So important for us all to be able to discuss this stuff rationally and calmly in the face of naive emotional sensationalism. I agree that's she's pretty solid. Zero hyperbole and not a hint of contrarianism.
@@amarissimus29 her contradictions lay in her scientific research back then, and her statements before receiving fossil fuel funding. For decades she said man-made climate change poses huge threats for humanity and the planet. She has not published a single (!) scientific paper since she changed her views to prove her own statements and facts wrong. You can make everything sound believable if you don’t go to the scientific level. The fact that billions of people believe in one of the 6000 gods proves that quiet well. Most of her claims contradict her own scientific research of decades. But for some reason you’re leaving that out. And for some reason she never scientifically proved them to be wrong.
This man is a Brilliant Intellectual and should Always be Allowed to Speak. 💯☮️❤️✝️ It is ridiculous that he has enemies. For what reason could you dislike or disagree with the Facts? Stand together brothers and sisters. It is the Only way to survive these dark times. ✌🏻
I have been doing a deep Bible study in the book of Revelation. I have deduced we are in the tribulation and the Anti-Christ is about to reveal himself. The reason I claim that the tribulation has been going on is prophecy is being filled at a rapid pace. What caught my attention a few years back was when men called good evil, and evil good and I discovered the Euphrates River has dried up which is also sign the end is near along with a couple hundred little signs shown to me by the Holy Spirit. Repent often and stay true in your faith and be obedient to your Maker. Yahweh bless you and keep you in His mercy and peace.
Marxist/commies hate truth speakers
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation.
Where are the three replies??!!
@@annrogers8129 #1 wifi issues and data missing(i talk to people across the world and we all agree we had a lot of shit go missing). #2 censoreship.
Outstanding presentation of the information.
I really enjoyed this guest. I learned a lot from her. I also think it was fun to see the professional and honest way Jordan responds to an expert who is correcting him like an adult, instead of accusing him of something.
Dr Judith Curry. An absolute gem of a scientist. Thank you Jordan.
If possible please repost parts or all of this video on all social medias you have access to. All need to know the truth. Thank you. 02/17/2023
She's basically a charlatan "Curry's position on climate change was much criticized by climate scientists,[17][15] and she became known as a contrarian scientist.[3][22][23] A 2013 Media Matters for America study found that Curry was among the "climate doubters" most frequently quoted by the press as spreading public doubts about climate science. Going against the vast majority view of climate scientists, she had suggested to newspapers that most of the recent global warming was not human-caused, and had hinted that IPCC scientists are motivated by "funding" even though they are not paid for their contributions.[24] "
@@mehrangerami187It would get shut down so quickly, either from nasty people or the platform itself.
@@Doobency Got it. You may be right.
@@mehrangerami187 Not on Twitter.
Keep going man, the world needs you.
If possible please repost parts or all of this video on all social medias you have access to. All need to know the truth. Thank you. 02/17/2023
It's mind boggling just how complex the climate is: it's hard to imagine anything with more variables and with such a short computational history ( because of computer power)
Climate isn't that complex. You're thinking more about weather. Climate is driven by a small number of variables: the sun, Milankovitch Cycles, volcanic activity, El Nino and La Nina, the Meridional Overturning Circulation, and greenhouse gases.
Climate is affected by roughly 50 elements given to scientific fields of study. However, Climatology only focuses on about 20 (40%) such fields of study, but omit the main contributors to climate such as the sun.
Great summary of the effect on the poor of the world at the one hour 24 minute mark through one hour 28 minute mark. Wonderful summary of this entire problem.
Thanks for your bravery Jordan. It's an inspiration to all of us to stand up for our beliefs, no matter the cost!
Not so much our “beliefs”, but rather standing up for empirical truth.
Thank you for using your platform to find the Truth. God please be with us all in these strange times. We need you now more than ever!
🙏 AMEN
I'm so glad there is some global empathy for the climate change discussion 😊
Dr Peterson is a very open and honest interviewer, enjoyed this podcast
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen more gratitude or positivity in a comment section. As if I’m not moved and edified enough by Peterson and his guests! It’s refreshing to know that the pursuit of understanding and truth is taken up by so many awesome people. Keep holdin it down and enlighten your hearts, minds, and spirits day in and day out!!! 💪🏼
If possible please repost parts or all of this video on all social medias you have access to. All need to know the truth. Thank you. 02/17/2023
@@mehrangerami187 This is hardly the truth! She didn't even speculate as to what's causing warming if it isn't GHGs. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it in science.
shes a professional liar who gets money from oil companies to lie, nothing more nothing less. There is is nothing positive about her dishonesty.
Im just an ordinary southafrican,its so heart warming to get so much knowledge from real people like these two and its free.theres no excuses for ignorance at all❤🇿🇦
@@Gladescat Does she really have to? The Earth was warming way before we started burning fossil fuels. There are many cycles on Earth and outside Earth’s atmosphere that contribute to cyclical warming/cooling trends. Yes, increasing greenhouse gases can and probably do contribute to warming but there are many environmental buffers that are not well represented in climate models as discussed.
Jordan's 'steel man' summary around 31 minutes in is well-stated & gives me the sense that he listens to those who disagree with him carefully.
But she really sucks. Without jp, I would drop long time ago. She is NOT a communicator.
I love Judith Curry! I saw her speak at a conference a long time ago and she was the only person I'd ever see talk about the other side of the climate debate, other than alarmism I mean. She expressed a reasonable skepticism of the alarmism, basically.
99.9% of climatologists disagree with her. So I'm extremely sceptical about her scepticism. Basically if you are not a climatologist (I'm not, nor is Peterson) then deciding to believe the 0.01% is not arrived at through reason but desire for something not to be true. Human. But not reasonable or intellectually defensible.
What does she propose ? Keep on with fossil fuels, polluting our cities and releasing billions of tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, where it stays for centuries, aggravating the warming for distant generations. Does it seem reasonable to you ? The Paris agreement is not alarmist. It's prudent and responsible. Then we can find solutions for the poorest countries. This lady uses twisted arguments.
@@jamie395Your assumption that most of the scientists don’t agree with her, it’s false. One thing for sure it’s the politics and dark interests against truthful and honest scientists. There are many other scientists who are with her.
What an interview, great people. conversation is honest and educational, beautiful interview, we need more interviews like this, easy listening and you take so much in, I loved it..
An excellent conversation between two very intelligent people who are actually listening and learning from each other
Tom Nelson has had a lot of good climate experts on his channel. They rip the scam apart.
You are right. Tom Nelson's guests approach this from all angles and from every angle, holes are poked.
Check out Nate Hagens
Did no one see THE DIMMING ? It's NO climate change, it's a multifaceted weather manipulation. Poisoning us 24/7.
People forget that we are a part of a solar system with cycles. Our Sun currently in the grand solar minimum which produces solar flares and CMEs which can cripple our planet. The warming trend is universal and and not necessarily global.
@@DocMonkWarrior Yes indeed. The wind-speeds of the Venusian and Martian atmosphere also change inline with solar activity. Venus having no magnetosphere of its own has thus a hotter and denser atmosphere than Earth would have, if it was at the same distance from the Sun, inline with the true physics, because its atmosphere is receiving a greater share of solar particles. The models also ignore solar x-rays. To be pedantic, these should not even be called models as a ‘computer model’ is defined as algorithms that simulates something physical. These CMIP’s are just trying to match correlations with too few variables at too gross a resolution and as every scientist knows ‘correlation is no proof of causation’. James Hansen (who’s hypothetical nonsense about Venus started this all off) was also a NASA planetary scientist and one must question if he considered the promise of fame and fortune a fair price for his soul. At least Judas Iscariot repented. In the meantime, Earth continues to blindly follow physics rather than the IPCC.
A very interesting and refreshing conversation, thank you Jordan and Dr Curry
If there's anything I've learned from the past couple years, it's that, if a politician or powerful individual is trying to instill fear into me, they definitely have an agenda. Thank you both for speaking on this subject. I reject the climate crisis narrative and am ridiculed for it.
TEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. TEN. 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's major scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus findings. Is there something to worry about? Let's look at the data that neither Jordan, an unqualified clinical psychologist, nor Curry, part of the 0.1% of refuting scientists, thought important enough to mention in the video: 1. Sea level has risen four inches since 1993 and the rate of rise has doubled since then, according to NASA, NOAA and the U.S. Geological Survey. Both satellite altimeter data and worldwide tide gauges agree on the numbers. Two different methodologies, same numbers. 2. High tide flooding along the American south and Gulf coasts has risen 400% and 1100% respectively since the year 2000, according to NOAA. Even the northeast, which is uprising land from glacial rebound, is up 140%. 3. The rising tide is why cities up and down the American coastlines are spending billions on defensive measures: Houston, a $30 billion flood mitigation project. Louisiana, a $50 billion project. New York, a $61 billion dollar project. Miami Beach has already moved buildings, installed a massive pump system and raised 105 miles of roads. 4. The cost damage directly attributable to sea level rise from Hurricane Sandy's storm surge into New York has been pegged at $8 billion. Sandy's was a minor cat 1 storm surge. 5. Hurricane intensity has increased 8% per decade, according to NOAA. A Taiwanese study of typhoons shows the same intensification. 6. Heatwaves have tripled since the 1960s, according to the EPA. 7. Marine heatwaves have increased 20-fold, according to the University of Bern. The shrimp fishery in the Gulf of Maine completely collapsed due to warming waters. The lobster fishery in southern New England also collapsed due to warming waters. So did the cod fishery. 8. Extreme precipitation events are increasing steadily, according to the EPA. That's because warmer air can hold more moisture. The cost directly attribitable to global warming from Hurricane Harvey's epic rainfall over Houston has been pegged at $67 billion. 9. The incidence of drought, drought duration and drought intensity are increasing worldwide, according to the IPCC. 10. According to the U.S. Forest Service, wildfire seasons are now a month longer than they were forty years ago. 11. Tick and mosquito-borne disease has increased 60% worldwide, according to the data, as both insects thrive in warmer weather. Even flesh-eating bacteria has extended its range. 12. According to a 2021 UN bulletin, major environmental disasters worldwide nearly doubled in the previous 20 years.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 "A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth" -Joseph Goebbels
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 So... here's an interesting question; in how many years can one expect land at a latitude of 40 degrees North to have verdant rainforest? At the moment -- we have most verdant rainforest between about 23.5 degrees North and South. If you know of a climate study that would attempt to answer this question -- I'd be quite curious to read it.
@@gilian2587 The Arctic was a rain forest 50 million years ago, with CO2 levels around 1000 ppm. Greenland and Antarctica were once thriving rain forests too.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481Yes, although they were also at different positions on the earth's surface at those times.
This is now my favorite show on dw. I learn so much from these talks
So glad that Jordan is bringing this actual scientist's point of view to light. Thank you to Dr. Peterson and Dr. Curry.
@christopherianlister5212 Yes, and the evidence is what she presents eh!
@@christopherianlister5212 sounded like evidence to me bucko
@James @Lubosh Don't try to confuse Christopher with facts... his mind is made up. Just an alarmist troll.
Jordan B. Peterson is on the take from the fossil fuel industry. This is the fifth climate change denial clown he's interviewed recently. Judith Curry is on Fred Singer's 2015 email chain list, along with other disgraced fossil fuel shills and unqualified bloggers such as Tony Heller, Willie Soon, Anthony Watts, P Gosselin, Christopher Monckton, James Delingpole and Marc Morano.
@@garysarela4431 Tell me you lost the argument without saying, "I lost the argument."
Great to hear from Dr Curry with a fascinating review of this matter. JP is well briefed on the topic, but is much too keen to get his own opinions across. When he has an expert guest, he should (IMO) try, as briefly as possible, to find out what she thinks and make his own speeches to challenge her only where he disagrees or needs elucidation. I found his long-winded expositions, followed by her challenge/ correction, doesn't make it easy to follow her position. I'd recommend his listening to Freddie Sayers on Unherd. At the end of one of his interviews I think that I know scarcely anything about what Freddie thinks, but a lot more about what the interviewee thinks.
I agree with you, this approach interrupts her thread of thoughts and explanation. The best is to listen to Dr. Curry is to go to her lectures, and other interviews.
Dr. JP cuts her off too many times, though he has some methodology, this kind of scientist should have more freedom to speak without being interrupted.
Wish more fans provided actual criticism like this than the regular d!€k sucking that often happens with the first 20 top comments.
Listening to Dr. Curry; I find her fascinating. She is a phenomenally knowledgeable thinker. She makes me think back to my college days - 40 years ago - professors like her I fell in love with. I love learning and she is the kind of person that makes you learn when you listen to her.
i'm a fan of Curry for almost 20 years. Glad to see these 2 talk.
You stay hooked on strawmen arguments that have been debunked over and over for 20 years? I feel deeply sorry for you.
any chance you can point us to some of these.? cos your copypasta skills are okay, but not backing up anything when you are in _every_ thread says much imo i too have known of her work for many years and can't understand how i missed so much of it... according to you
Thank you Dr. Person for all the hard work you do. Bless you.
This was a really good discussion, thank you so much for posting!!
Another awesome video interview, fantastic. Puts wind in my sails;
I would love to see an interview (if it is not in planning phase yet), where some member(s) of the IPCC is interviewed, so they can defend their arguments, from someone who is really willing to opose them. Just in the name of science.
I've wanted to see this for a long time. One thing that's always made me uncomfortable about a lot of climate scientists has been statements like "the evidence is in and the debate is over." Nothing screams bullshit more than being unwilling to debate and defend a position. It's also just bad science.
we'd need to have someone who has a better model, not someone who simply says "I don't think so"
Dr Curry, I am amazed that you had the courage to not just jump into the climate apocalypse bandwagon. You would have been lauded as a champion and given money and fame to no end. Your honesty and courage is amazing.
Critical thinking vs critical consciousness.
Jordan Peterson is doing this discussion and that it is the only reason I would ever delve into this subject. I trust few others.
The last person you should trust about climate science is Jordan Peterson. No training in climate science. No scientific papers published on climate change science. No work in the field. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. By contrast, 99.9% of the world's publishing climate scientists agree that human beings are warming the planet to a damaging degree. I know who my money is on.
Ok, what all this uncertainty says to me is that we are just not prepared to make precision predictions of specifics. We can use all we understand to talk about likely trends and so on, but we just don't know EXACTLY what's going to happen. So if someone wants to call attention to the worst case scenario (which is something it's legitimate to worry about), that's great. If someone wants to express hope for the best case scenario (which is something it's legitimate to hope for), that's great too. But no one gets to invoke the "certainty of science" behind their projections. That certainty simply isn't available. In all of these cases we will be discussing POSSIBILITIES. No one should claim otherwise. I'm very impressed with the degree to which Dr. Curry seems to "have it going on." Sharp lady.
You just listened to two climate change outliers, one with ZERO training in climate science, ZERO field work, ZERO publishing of peer-reviewed scientific papers, and the other often debunked in the scientific literature. TEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. Don't be misled.
This was a thing of beauty. Best summation I have seen on the subject. Thank you so much Jordan and Judith.
This is, and has been since I can remember, a very hot-button issue for me. I never bought into the claims that humans were destroying the world. I remember learning about this in school in the late 90’s early 2000’s and I could only roll my eyes. So, I appreciate this topic Jordan, please keep bringing these people on to dismantle the bogus narratives we’re so incessantly force-fed.
The hubris that humans can influence cosmic events is completely asinine.
Even Exxon knew about climate change from fossil fuels in the 70s but hid the reports just like the tobacco industry. Keep ignorimg reality. Don't Look Up 😂
Nice confirmation bias you've got going on there. Believe the scientists, not some alt right quack that has ZERO expertise in this topic.
@@smelltheglove2038 "Cosmic events" Nice way to misrepresent climate change lmao.
@@axelnova123 ... It's no more of a misrepresentation than the term "climate change" itself. Whatever happened to "anthropogenic global warming" (AGW)? I'll tell you. The weather didn't cooperate for 15 years following the 1998 El Nino and we keep having these long pauses of no warming. According to UAH data, there has been no warming for more then 7 years. The phrase, "climate change" is an appeal to ambiguity. It's equivocation the way they're using it.
Let’s spread it to the world!
How refreshing to hear truth and facts unblemished by political or economical factors. Thank you.
''How refreshing to hear truth and facts unblemished by political or economical factors.'' she literally gets money from gas and oil industry to spread there lies, shes a paid shill. Everything she does is influenced by economical factors
Seeing Judith smiling about the irony of the C02 phobic warms my heart. We live in evil times.
To say the least.
Biggest eposode of ”madness of crowds” in human history
Jordan B. Peterson is on the take from the fossil fuel industry.
@@garysarela4431 Got proof to go with your allegation. Think Davos humans stealing your wealth.
@@rudigereichler4112 Wrong. It is the conclusions of a very large number of scientists who have used the scientific method to get progressively closer to the truth.
Dr Jordan, although I am coming from a different ideological spectrum, I admire your courage and your ethics, thank you so much for your work, you truly are very brave, thank you for standing up for humanity.
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@Google Konto coming from an account named Google account. Whatever
One of the important points I had never heard before is that there was an effort to go after the oil companies even before any substantial study about carbon emissions effects on climate. Is there more info that discusses the history of this animosity and the reasons behind it?
Total BS, Michael. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos acknowledge that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet. They even accurately predicted our rate of warming.
Cheers Jordan! You're changing the world for the better.
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A very meaty, sane, common sense and insightful interview. Thanks to you both.
Neither said anything to refute the scientific consensus on climate change.
Excellent Interview. Stossel did a great interview as well and Peterson then did a deeper dive.
Wow this is awesome.. Lindzen, Koonin, Curry.. Love that you're giving a platform to these giants. John Christy and Roy Spencer next please!
Nope, they're all a bunch of idiots. They have zero clue on how to do climate science.
Dr. Peterson has made me a better storyteller. Thank you sir.
Like my father when he told me all those stories about Hänsel and Gretel and the evil witch. I found out later that it was a made up story :(
Love you, Jordan. You're a true hero. ❤
When it comes to clinical psychology, Jordan really knows his stuff. When it comes to climate science, he knows about as much as the average 4th grader.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 That's to be seen.
@@LittleOrla Jordan recenty posted a climate graph on Twitter that appeared to show virtually NO GLOBAL WARMING for the previous fifty years. He challenged viewers to deny it. They did, by informing him that his graph ended in 1885, not 2023. A brilliant man in one field isn't by some magical process a brilliant man in another. PhD-level climate scientists go to school for eight years, conduct field work and peer-reviewed studies. They know the field inside and out. Jordan does not.
Jordan is thorough in asking questions at the risk of not letting his guest finish her storyline.
Jordan is wise to let her correct him. It's obvious he has done a lot of research, but she does this for a living. Jordan does an awesome job of asking questions.
Every academic student should be required to listen to these incredibly instructed intellectuals
No, that would be pretty authoritarian wouldn't it.
@@Fantastic_Mr_Fox The socialist professors don't allow discourse. What are you talking about?
@@williamraptosh3409 sure, but requiring people to watch this is also bad
The Oceanic Conveyor belt. I learned about this 27 years ago in college. It's quite an interesting subject.