How Ukrainian Sea Drones Attacked Crimean Bridge & How Effective they Are
0:00: How effective are Ukrainian naval drones?
1:18 How Ukraine Attacked the Crimean bridge
3:02 How Russia counters Ukrainian drones?
4:38 What happened to the Russian Ivan Khurs
5:45 Naval "Drones" Used to be Least Effective
8:30 What are the advantages of naval drones?
11:26 US Navy's Taskforce 59
12:58 Who are the winners from emergence of modern Naval Drones?
Here's our take on naval drones and why they are #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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Even if the success rate is low, the cost benefit ratio still makes them highly effective. Sinking a massive ship worth hundreds of million dollars with a $90,000 drone is too good to pass up
More so if these drone become atridable. IE something akin to a ww2 era torpedo boat.
A swarm of drones could be devastating
@@andrewyork3869 I think you mean 'attritable' and yeah thats a great point not mentioned in the video.
Yeah but its also something that can be thwarted with similar technology. Imagine a small fleet of autonomous drones orbiting big ships. They could be easily modified to adapt to new threats and would give the ship a lot more defensive capabilities. Also, with the ability to charge or swap batteries from the ship, they could silently run. The first version of a new weapons system won't mirror what that system will eventually become. There was a time when surveylance planes had free access to the entire battlefield. Then fighters and flak came along to put them in their place.
The modern drone can not be compared with the vessels deployed by the Japanese. The Japanese vessels were much larger in size(1-2tons), much slower at 30mph, had a limited range, were used in a very different way, and fought a much different opponent. While 6k vessels were made, only about 36 were lost. That's because they were originally designed to drop depth charges and run away. Out of all the different engagements, the only operation they played a part in was during the Philippines campaign. Due to the limits of their technology, they didn't have night vision and were limited mostly to daytime operations. When they were used, they faced a whole fleet of war ships that were on high alert. So they were basically sitting ducks that could barely get out of their own way. The modern drone is sleek and attacks at night. They often attack lone vessels that do not have a full crew on high alert. Many times, they are not detected until it's too late. So, again, the two types can not be compared to each other.
Regarding Ukraine success rate, even a 5%success rate is a success given the cost of the 95% that failed is still less than the cost of a russian warship. And failed drones don't lose personnel as casualties. But I agree, drones are revolutionising warfare.
@@theerdalavignesh4443 that is true but far before the last man standing you will meet the monetary wall, that is you cant win a war if your openents losses cost 10 times less than yours because if they even get a succes rate of 10% then the fight is even.
@theerdalavignesh4443 I don't think that applies here, most Russians are questioning why they are fighting, and those percentages will make the citizens fed up
@@theerdalavignesh4443 be more coherent (not tryna be mean). Vietnam and russia are not the same, vietnam had intense faith and natural cover, russia dosent have either, people in russia are suffering wondering where their government is. If that isnt more of a issue to them then I dont know what is. If russia wins against ukraine, they will not win against the UK and france together.
I think its more the tactics that are impressive and not the technology. Also I think Russians on those big ships kind of want to get hit by a small drone so they can go home instead of waiting to be killed by a ballistic missile.
@@ragibmahfuz5241 Also, the North Vietnamese were fighting for their own country, and an end to occupation by foreign powers. Russians are fighting for Putin, washing machines, and because they were forced to. Also, if Russia is allowed to take Ukraine - Taiwan will become fair game for China. You might not have any new electronics for quite a while, as most chip fabrication is done there. Prices will go crazy.
A few days ago one more big russian ship Caesar Kunikov was sunked by drones, and it's in your list as hit by missiles
Was it a missile launched by a drone or was it a kamikaze drone?
@@fearthehoneybadger naval drone
Really, Russian naval forces hasn’t adapted to fighting naval drones at all. Does that mean, that no navy can adapt? Probably they can, but it’s not happening with Russian one now.
@@fearthehoneybadgerSunk with 2 Magura V5 drones, they are kamikazee drones.
@@kirillsukhomlin3036no navy adapted to drones US uses stuff for missiles against naval drones even EW systems for missiles go to drones with upgrade
Nicely done, especially including _shinyo._ The Italians used piloted explosive boats in WWII. The pilot bailed out at the last moment. They were used successfully at Suda Bay, Crete, where they crippled _HMS York,_ a British heavy cruiser. Not really drones, but they did demonstrate that small, fast bomb boats can get mission kills. Also, the _USS Cole_ was crippled by a suicide bomb boat while anchored in Aden, Yemen in 2000.
The Germans did the same thing, takin it a step further, with a speed boat outfitted with a Infrared seeker able to lock in to a ships stack at a distance of up to two km.
I remember for years people scoffing at the Iranian arsenal of thousands of small power boats. Never understood why they were so arrogant, they had clearly studied the weaknesses of modern navy ships and developed the most logical counter for them.
@@volvo245 Iran's boats were detectable with look-down radar that the US has. They were easily sunk in 1988 and are even more vulnerable today.
I saw Leonardo's Fincantieri new underwater sub, with remote navigation or autonomous navigation capabilities, like a drone, if the signals becomes too weak it returns to a determined location, otherwise it can even be "parked" underwater! this will be another great maritime threat!
@@jeffreypierson2064 The _USS Vincennes_ was certainly capable of terminating Iranian threats, right?
To me, this feels like a bit of a repeat of turn-of-the-century naval warfare when the torpedo was first invented and everyone freaked out, inventing torpedo boat destroyers, or just destroyers. For the first time in a while, small ships are once again dangerous to big ships. Maybe this will reverse the trend of destroyers getting larger and larger until they're basically cruiser sized
Destroyer already cruiser-sized
@@renowinter8022true, modern destroyer could pass as a light cruiser
The problems with drones currently is that they're mainly being used for offense. When defensive drones get developed, everything will settle down.
Maybe a new ship class will emerge, something doing a job of destroyer for drones. Something fast, light and full of electronic warfare for jamming.
@@DreamskyDance You mean a frigate?
I don't think any sane person is saying drones will take over. But they will have a role to play, especially in the littoral seas. Turkey currently have 5 USV programs, 2 kamikaze USV programs(opening video is from one of these programs), 4 anti ship missile programs and 2 torpedo programs. They will all have a role to play in the future.
What everyone is waiting for is for someone to make an autonomous combat drone that removes a human from the kill chain. When that happens, drones will get a lot more numerous and annoying. What's going to happen soon is that drones will be developed to work defensivly against other drones. You gotta feel sorry for every Russian gamer who saved his kopecks up to get a premium GPU for gaming rig. I'm sure the Russian government will soon be seizing those for military usage.
Hmmm... let's see. What was it that Clifford Stoll said? Something along the lines of "the internet will fail or will never catch on." And look where we are now. Drones will not take over, huh? I have screenshotted this conversation and I'll check back in a decade just to say "hah!"
Your video is great, as always. Regarding the history of using suicide boats - it goes waaay back to history, if we count fire ships. The idea was the same - take a small/obsolete boat, fill it with explosive or combustibles and set it to the biggest rival ships. It was used since ancient times
One small correction, on the infographic at 0:29, it shows that the Czesar Kunikov was destroyed by a missile, however it was destroyed by naval drones (captured on video) on Feb 14. Nevertheless, it was still a great video overall!
I don’t foresee them taking over for battle groups but they definitely have a newly discovered role to play in naval warfare. Have either semi or fully submersible naval drones actively hunting enemy combatants or have them submerge and lie in wait like an octopus or spider. With a semisubmersible drone the chances of detection would be quite low. Have most onboard systems power down with only a camera system operating. With AI targeting the drone could run on batteries for a long time and not require a COMMS link back to base again lowering chances of radio intercept and detection. Alternatively have the motor occasionally run to recharge batteries. I’m an UAV electrical expert for the DoD and I’m so envious of my brothers and sisters in arms getting to work this quickly evolving field. I’m stuck here in the States working multimillion dollar UAV not having a huge impact.
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@@NotWhatYouThink I decided to keep it short and left out the blue, the great use of sexual innuendo, white sneakers, and man buns.
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Why not hybrid surface/submarine drones? Surface for travel and then fill ballast to submerge on final run to target? Use a GPS + Aerial surveillance and augmented reality for driving the drone And to make it more effective, during descent, have a deployable streamline buoy that has a communication package on tether to mitigate issues with radio waves.
So show us your working model.
Ironically, LCS are originally envisoned to defeat this sort of threat in asymmetric warfare (also happened to USS Cole), but once the 'peer conflict' emerged, they thought that such threat would be minimal compared to things like anti-ship missiles and submarines, and thus became one of the reason LCS were considered unsuitable.
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Submarine drones with a small snorkel and comms antenna seems like a great asymmetric weapon
Especially when used against oil tankers!
Indeed. Intelligence and the relaying of secure messages to allied submarines seem to be obvious applications.
the Narco submarines lol
@@hallmobilityIf you have an antenna array capable of receiving as well as sending, establishing two-way communications, your submersible drone could also act on the intelligence it gathers and apply weapons it may carry aboard or in some other vessel or location within range or else basically transform itself into a torpedo on command to conduct an autonous terminal aproach on the target fully submerged. In a manner not too dissimilar to the Ukrainian surface waterjet suicide drones that have gathered much attention for their exploits. I just wonder how exactly the Russians have been so helpless against that kind of surface threat.
So basically drone versions of U-boats lol
Miles... Pounds... Can you please use the metric system?
Don't worry. In the late 1970's, I was repeatedly told the US is about 5 years away from going metric. It probably happened already. Jokes aside, Chemistry really illuminated to me how much easier the metric system is. I quickly realized it was much easier to do all my work in metric, regardless of what units the problem used or wanted. Also, I had to memorize less stuff.
@@burnttoast111i had to use the imperial system in my chemical engineering courses because so much of the standards were set by American organizations.. Pure torture
I feel like between the time this was made and released the video is outdated since two of the black sea fleet landing crafts were sunk
One landing ship and one missile patrol vessel to be exact.
The video did say "debatable given recent events."
Nice.
Yes. Simply yes, thank you for the upload.
59, nice!
Please tell us more about task force 69...
Think China might be getting underestimated concerning how quickly and how well they can develop significant naval drone platforms
A U.S. drone boat with switchblade drone launchers for deck securing would be wild. We already have those unmanned vehicles that do that, if they decide to buy them. Especially if they had basic human recognition software, assuming that you don't need identification of friendlies being as how it's an enemy ship
Good analysis. I would say it can also be used as remote mines and potentially using a small drone in the air to communicate with drones underwater.
Underwater communications are very difficult. Submarines usually surface to do this, or use a retractable communication buoy. There are pure underwater communication systems, but these are very slow.
Russian countermeasures must have been asleep at the switch. How can you take a warship into a war zone and not have a response?
We've swung full circle to surface torpedoes against surface vessels. I love it! What's old will one day be new. 😉
From my perspective they are just high-tech torpedo boats from the WWI era but are the torpedo. Pretty sure we even have a ship class specifically designed to counter that. The (Torpedo Boat) Destroyer.
Ironically, things like LCS were design with this sort of small craft threat in mind, just like the good old torpedo boat destroyers.
Don't forget - they are way cheaper than the PTs were in their day. With inflation, the PTs were about $5 mil each. Sea Baby is about $0.3 mil each.
The targeting is essential and cutently this is provided by aerial assets that operate with impunity,as they are considered not part of the conflict
well... it's not like there's no other companies offering specifically military satellite comms/internet for the military (also for the military). is not just as cheap or fast as starlink. but the equipments are also military grade on the other hand tho (and smaller antennas for company levels on foot, bigger for vehicles and vessels and batallion levels and so on).
I think the psychological factor is also useful, it makes the enemy paranoid and fearful about attacks
I foresee submersible drones being very deadly weapons in the future eventually capable of reaching supersonic speeds!
Thinking mission bays for drone housing in war ships will be the new norm
It's such a unheard of thing to hear a country without a navy has destroyed a massive % of one of the largest Navy in the world. While they are being invaded. They found ways to make their own naval drones and are destroying insanely valuable assets with much easier to produce and efficient cost effective tactics to hit their invaders where it hurts. Other countries can learn from Ukraines ingenuity and adaptability we've been seeing no matter what the end outcome might be. It doesn't discredit what Ukraine is doing in very difficult modern warwafe situations
Oh dear, @0:28 you have listed Novocherkassk twice 😀
Hey NWYT can you do a video on why the new German tanks have a triangle base on their turret guns and why US tanks don’t?
Drones are like Kamikaze attacks; the cost is high in vehicles but the even 10 percent success is worth against major naval or ground targets.
1:04 *NOICE*
It’s so funny when he makes jokes like these because it’s never expected with the way he talks. So when he does I laugh out loud every time.
starlink is not the only sat system that could be used for this many commercial companies, Inmarsat comes to mind right away. US military satellites too, UHF-MILSAT is what they control predator drones with, but really any Ku or VHF band could be used. these military systems also provide vastly greater security and stealth, and resistance to EW. compared to civil-commercial systems, also the hardware needed, connectors, receivers, etc. are all standardized and in a NATO catalog, so very easy to acquire via COTS vendors.
I love the words it's not what you think
Naval drones have been in service for a long, long time. They're typically subsurface weapons and referred to as torpedoes.
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Just was reading article about hopties in man-del-bab using marine drones in attempting to hit the war ships.......😮
they're basically really slow surface balistic missiles right?
Drones with RTG can maintain 10-15 knot quiet speeds for weeks while maneuvering like pods of orca. One above the layer, one below. Sprint and Drift. Active and Passive sonars. When you catch an SSN, you activate a fuel cell or stirling and suddenly, you're not a sub, your a hunting torpedo, maneuvering at 60-100 knots (SCT) and closing on targets as a function of multiple axis ram attacks. AUV drones will very much threaten submarines. Not least because subs are 1.5-5 times as expensive (SSK, SSN vs. FFG, DDG) as their surface vessel counterparts, by tonnage. An AUV will be able to be deployed like Doenitz's Wolfpacks and thus sweep a much larger area, threatening SSGNs as much as SSNs.
0:00: 🌊 Limited success of naval drones in Ukraine-Russia conflict challenges their revolutionary impact. 2:53: 💥 Russian efforts to protect key infrastructure in Crimea against drone attacks have been costly and largely ineffective. 7:11: ⚓ Comparison of Kamikaze planes, Shinyo motorboats, and Kaiten torpedoes in naval warfare. 9:29: ⚓ Modern naval drones utilize advanced technology for stealthy attacks, including solar-powered options and communication via wire. 12:48: 🌊 Naval drones are versatile assets, used for protection, surveillance, and reducing human risk in warfare.
For me I wondered if the drones could carry at least one acoustic homing torpedo to become a sort of unmanned PT boat. I suppose the problem is getting ahold of much more sophisticated weapons that run underwater.
FPV is changing the equation. Naval drones overwhelming by swarming and a lack of defensive systems that can deal with possibly thousands of different targets.
one reason for there current success is that current warships have smaller crews and MUCH fewer autocannons which are the ideal countermeasure. a WW2 Fletcher class destroyer had as many as 27 autocannons (20 40mm & seven 20mm) . that would allow them to counter multiple simultaneous attackers. current Arleigh Burke-class destroyers only have two 25mm autocannons.
This. We will likely see a reemergence of kinetic ciws combine with some form od DE weapon. Something like using DE to fry the sensor and using the kinetic system to blow up those that can threaten the fleet.
I mean if there would be even some successful anti ship drones I don't believe they would be so successful like land drones.Ships mostly have radars beeing able to see through radar where an enemy could be and besides that.The crew members are also able to identify the target
drone narco subs with A.I. so no coms required in a flying wing config with buoyancy pumping could travel globally on a quick solar top up every three days and carry much higher load outs on a watts per mile basis. Regular prop or jet propulsion faster yes but you could make my design mostly soft to minimise sonar detection and using buoyancy pumping it is noiseless propulsion apart from a little magneto hydro dynamic pump noise at the top and then the bottom of each pump. making the only time you can hear it occur at differing locations and depths and you'd have to be well within strike range to hear it.
AI is key because you can dramatically reduce the need for remote control.
I've built A.I nav stacks before no human in the loop or external rf required tell it where to go and to(passively) scan for rf and avoid. It'll get there every time can run full vision and or internal inertial reference to locate and or avoid targets obstacles the whole stack ran on a $99 dollar computer that drew 5w of power. Currently working on two different designs that can traverse the globe on a single charge. One for Anti shipping or port and harbour suppression and sub hunting the other for land target acquisition which can kill up to 8 apc's and unlimited softies (people) and one decent heavy main battle tank at the end of it's usefull life plus the submersible one can carry about a dozen of the airbourne ones :) @@rob1andrews
Naval drones increase the ability of asymmetric warfare to inflict economic damage to an enemy.
Drone is a new reality of the war and need to learn how to fight with them effectively
The modern drone can not be compared with the vessels deployed by the Japanese. The Japanese vessels were much larger in size(1-2tons), much slower at 30mph, had a limited range, were used in a very different way, and fought a much different opponent. While 6k vessels were made, only about 36 were lost. That's because they were originally designed to drop depth charges and run away. Out of all the different engagements, the only operation they played a part in was during the Philippines campaign. Due to the limits of their technology, they didn't have night vision and were limited mostly to daytime operations. When they were used, they faced a whole fleet of war ships that were on high alert. So they were basically sitting ducks that could barely get out of their own way. The modern drone is sleek and attacks at night. They often attack lone vessels that do not have a full crew on high alert. Many times, they are not detected until it's too late. So, again, the two types can not be compared to each other.
0:27 typo on “successfull” on noooo lol
I could see ships putting back on more guns & torpedo tubes for defense vs drones. A throwback to post ww2 in a way, guns all over a ships' superstructure. Drones are great tools and weapons for today and into the future... But one thing to keep in mind is that they need human direction still. So if a major war broke out (say China vs India), satellites/bases/vehicles that are used to guide and control drones will be priority targets.
"It's true, using naval drones packed with explosives against warships is a new mode of warfare" Not really. That was pretty much Drake's tactic for defeating the Spanish Armada, and has been used since antiquity. The drones have improved, but the principle is the same as it was at the Battle of Red Cliffs in the 3rd century.
I suspect there will be submersible drones that can lock on to a target for the final approach to carry on with the assault autonomously in case the communication gets jammed.
THATS LITERALLY JUST A TORPEDO!
@@santiagotorrezsegarra7790 I'm talking about a naval drone than can travel far distances underwater and be remotely controlled. The main difference to a torpedo would be how far it can travel away from the launch site.
Yes called torpedoes. What is max range of torpedoes these days.
Navel explosive drones based on the design of narco semi-submersable subs might be very deadly. They could be made just as cheap and would be far harder to spot.
What about torpedo drones? They would be much harder to detect.
Maybe the military should look into the automotive market. Those anti-drone mats are pretty inexpensive. 😜😁🤟
A naval drone with a modern homing torpedo on board would be terrifying
They are cheaper than the Mark 48 torpedo..cost effective.
The defending ship has to be lucky every time. The drones only need to get lucky once. The point is big naval vessels no longer dominate the theatre, they are on the defensive, constantly struggling for their own survival.
There's no luck about it lol the US is taking these drones out left, right and center with ease along with all the missiles... the Russians just have a skill issue
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I had a bad burrito the other day and that made me create a navel drone. 😃
MFW aoe2 demolition ship is still meta in 2024
At this rate, how long before we have personal projectile shields and going back to melee warfare, haha.
02:19 that looks like a dude on that boat haha
This video maintains a high standard of quality from its beginning to its middle section. However, the latter portion of the video does not meet the same level of excellence.
Two major non technological advance based differences people skip: -WW2 US ships probably had more trained and better motivated crews than current Russian ones -WW2 warships had a lot more mk1 eyeballs on watch and low to medium caliber guns ready to throw lead in the general direction of a motorboat
it was even before 1920, in 1917 Italy sunk the Austrian ship SMS Szent István, with a speedboat, but it was not a suicide mission, they jumped from board!
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Okay hear me out, an kamikaze boat drone that can dive underwater mode and operate automated like an torpedo that can move zigzag or targeted the ship like an magnetron or proximity fuse that explode underneath the ship keel that maximize the explosion damages. It can have a antenna that looks like a snorkel and camera with a long metal pipe that works as an periscope. If the Russians have use nets to stop them drones, use blades on the stern. Like WW1 German submarines that have blades that cut fishing nets on their comms tower. I wish my ideas can be give to the Ukraine or some engineer that test my theory.
This is just the prototype drone, wait until some development work is put into the idea... A modern torpedo has acoustic homing and can be set to detonate directly below the ship. Explosions from directly beneath a ship are far more destructive than one that hits the side of the ship. Modern torpedoes have ranges of several miles as well. Now, imagine a remote control drone carrying a single torpedo. Since it has an air breathing engine the drone could have a range of hundreds of miles and it can communicate back to the remote controller through Starlink or something similar. The drone is guided to perhaps three or four miles from the target. At that range it couldn't be seen with the eye. Radar might pick it up but it would still be hard to hit. The torpedo gets launched and starts homing in on the ship. I'm sure there are some countermeasures some ships might have that could save them, but odds are the ship will either be sinking or crippled within the next few minutes.
Arent we just reinventing torpedoes here?
Russians haven't developed any countermeasures. They've lost 2 big ships to USVs in the last 2 weeks
Are these not just cheaper torpedos?
actually they are probably slightly more expensive, given the need for communications equipment.
Well I have finally decided what to do with my autonomous drone flight controller. I first wanted to make a drone then a boat bit have always wanted to make a sub. The problem is communications from the surface at least at an rc level. I have reached out to People that produce technology capabile of communicating at depths of over 30m using light. They have ignored my emails. I might have to make it myself though and I have better ideas than light. Light doesnt travel particularly far on water and if I want to scale my concept up that would not be feasible anyways.
If you look at Russian history in war they take major losses at the beginning and they adapt. Yeah they still take some big losses but when you have something to replace it then you don’t have as much care for said thing rather it’s equipment or soldiers. If you don’t have back ups you take better care of what you got because you know it’s not going to be easy to replace. I personally think that’s why they take such heavy losses and mostly because they don’t care about the equipment or soldiers like we do in the west.
Well, apart from WW1, Japan 1904 or the Crimean war. Or maybe WW2 when they survived on lend-lease. Or Afghanistan. Or Chechnia 1. So yeah, pretty much none of them.
@@cptrelentless80085 While russian do gain something from lend lease, it is a fraction of a fraction of their overall combat power during ww2.
Well, Russians finally have an excuse when their drones randomly fall into the water. It's a naval drone ;)
This is not really new. These are basically torpedoes, and we have been using those since the late 1800s. The difference some would argue is that these drones are guided to their targets by an operator. But then again, so have modern torpedoes since the 1980s. In fact, I would argue that guided torpedoes are more effective because they can't be seen or hit from the surface.
Their effectiveness is highly situational: 1. They have an immense intelligence advantage thanks to NATO support. 2. They fight an enemy fleet that is concentrated in a "relatively small" area 3. Russian ships mostly aren't very modern and their crews aren't good enough to maintain constant alertness 4. And they had a whole two years. In a scenario like US/China, the space is so much larger, especially the US fleet will have much better situational awareness, and both sides are gearing for decisive actions within days. Naval drones could easily fail to find their targets and run out of fuel in the oceans, or never make it close to their targets because alert crews with more modern sensors and weapons can easily destroy them from a distance.
The next generation sea drones will be 99% under the surface, even more difficult to detect and hit...
Not sure if you could be trusted. Perhaps but this is the second i get that feeling. See you after the war.
I gotta say, even if they fail 90% of the time… if you can produce them like crazy who cares? Make 5000, that’s 500 hits! That’s insane amounts of damage.
Wait, they've adapted but just lost another ship
69 oh i mean 59💀
Answering without looking at the video first: I think it is because they are stll relatively slow moving, so easier to spot and hit with ordinary gunfire (no coincidence that most of the successful sea drone strikes happened at night), they are on the same level as their targets (not diving from above). They are simply more vulnerable
They are NOT slow. They are faster than any warship in the world. The Magura V5 travels at 85 km/h and has an operating range of 833 kilometers for recon and attack roles. It costs $273k per drone only to sink a vessel worth and carrying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of war gear.
@@Hathur you beat me to it. The Madura V5 is an awesome weapon system. One thing I would recommend adding to the Madura is a ballasting system. Add compartments that can be flooded and blown dry allowing it to sit lower in the water to lay in wait for a target. With just the camera pedestal and COMMS antennas above water it would be incredibly difficult to spot visually or with radar.
@@Hathur They are slow compared to their airborne counterparts at least depending on the type of airborne drone it is compared to. For instance an Iranian Shaheed drone flies at 185km/hr. The fastest consumer drones (drones you could by from a store) can move at 100km/hr. That said it is true that the typical consumer drone top speed is usually 70km/hr. But they have the ability to fly well above their targets.
@@arrow1414Why are you even comparing air drones to sea drones? It's stupid. Air drones have a FRACTION of the range and loiter-time of sea drones, they also cost MILLIONS of dollars to deliver to same payload (Madura V5 can carry a 300+kg bomb that can easily sink just about any warship... to get the same effect with an air drone you're talking about spending 2+ million on the drone. The Shahed drone that Russia uses costs around $360k but only carries a 49kg bomb, max.. a fraction of the explosive capability at a higher cost. Yes, the Shahed drone can travel 185km/h, but it cannot loiter nor has the effective range of a seaborne drone like the Madura. You would need multiple Shahed drones to take down large warships. Sea drones are far more cost-effective for taking out seaborne targets, especially for a small military like Ukraine. You are also ignoring the fact airborne targets are MUCH easier to pickup on radar than small speedboats like the Madura which are often completely missed by radar and require a human onboard the target ship to spot it in time using binoculars with the 300,000 year old MK1 eyeball.
@@Hathur Why are you being so defensive? The original title of the thumbnail before it was changed was more or less "Why hasn't sea drones been as widely embraced as has air drones?" and I answered the question by speculating as to why. I pointed out that they are slower and come in at the same level as the target, which is why you see them attacking at night. I NEVER SAID THEY WERE USELESS. Indeed I am very happy that they have been successful in taking down warships. I am sure they have longer ranges generally (although again it depends on what kind of flying drone you are comparing the sea drones to). But there are reasons that you don't see their use as much as air drones and usually they are deployed at night. I do hope to see more of them.
War Thunder players will soon become hot commodity operating those drones. They literally have thousands of hours of simulation experience, situational awareness and capability to identify targets from a few pixels of the worst graphics, and the ungodly level of patience to stock grind.
Not sure about the sim experience. WT control scheme and movement are still comparatively arcady.
If only one attempt out of a hundred is successful on a capital ship, then naval drones are definitely effective.
All of this and the Government wants to ban my Back yard level toy drone?
can you imagine if they figure out how to make these things submerge for the final 1000 feet, with a periscope and antenna stick out?
US navy and us marines corps is asking for drones and army and US coast guard us airforce are using them for recon and other missions as well
In the days of wooden sailing ships, combatants would light barges on fire and let the wind drift them into enemy ships moored in port…so 1700’s and 1800’s.
I don't think improvised drones will be cost-effective enough for real warfare. It might be useful in asymmetrical warfare for the weaker side, but it probably isn't effective enough for large militaries, even taking the price into account. Large militaries would be better served by expensive weapons that are more likely to cause catastrophic damage like sea-skimming missiles. I also believe that the contracts the US military has with its missile manufacturers are very likely too generous. Some government waste is involved that raises the price of the missiles. Reducing that waste/corruption would lower the missile's price and reduce the cost-effectiveness gap between improvised drones and high-tech missiles.
We just received energy from space actual energy. Probably not much but if we could harness the energy from a predicted super nova that would be wow.
Missiles/drone hit list at 00:27 is not correct, Czesar Kunikov was sunk by drones not missiles.
if these things can hit targets above the water... submarine or drone subs torps fired to stay under water then go vertically up under the target would work so well. Just like a reverse Javelin on a tank. oh dear.. If this hasn't been thought of I er trademark it. send me $ :P
Drones are effective against complacent enemy