Inside the TRAGIC Marriage of Truman Capote’s Swan Babe Paley

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In this video we take a deep dive into the tragic marriage of Truman Capote’s favorite swan Babe Paley to her husband Bill. We’ll look at what is true and what may not be true inside the marriage of this mid-century New York power couple.
Babe Paley and her husband, Bill Paley couldn’t have been more different in personality and presentation. Yet, they would marry each other for similar reasons. WHY?
Why did they marry? Why didn't they divorce? Was it all Bill's fault? What about Babe?
And... what did Truman Capote say to make her stay?
Post your comments to join the conversation!
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  • LET"S DISCUSS! Why did they marry? Why didn't they divorce? Was it all Bill's fault? What about Babe? And... what did Truman Capote say to make her stay? Post your comments to join the conversation!

    @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Babe sacrificed her happiness and sanity for money and social status. Women of that era did it all the time. She was a smart woman and could have found gainful employment but she listened to Truman Capote.

      @carlariggs525@carlariggs5253 ай бұрын
    • She was first set up by her mother.

      @sandisteinberg731@sandisteinberg7313 ай бұрын
    • Truman told Babe to consider her marriage to Bill a “well paying job.”

      @tiaremaui@tiaremaui3 ай бұрын
    • @@carlariggs525 Women of today are still doing giving their power over for money and status, I am sad to say. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@tiaremaui Truman was probably jealous of Babe for something he couldn't get himself so he minimized her experience. I don't think he really a very good friend to Babe. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • The worse nightmare for a good woman is to come to the realization that she depends, financially and socially on the abuser husband, all because she never developed her own identity and freedom. I still see millions of people resigned to accept the unacceptable.

    @polyglot6542@polyglot65423 ай бұрын
    • Unfortunately it does still happen at all levels of society. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • How do you see millions of people?

      @emerybayblues@emerybayblues3 ай бұрын
    • I used to

      @margyrowland@margyrowland3 ай бұрын
    • Oh brother. I see millions of wives who make a lovely home and die happy because they didn't marry a philanderer.

      @wjglll340@wjglll3403 ай бұрын
    • She worked at vogue for years

      @aqualady0@aqualady03 ай бұрын
  • Bill was a social climber. According to people, he would go into a party and immediately spot the prettiest girl. After Babe died, he said, “you understand the value of a marriage when it’s too late.” I think he knew he would never find anyone like her again. She was a very special woman.

    @vickitaylor680@vickitaylor6803 ай бұрын
    • Thanks for that additional information. I didn't find that info in my research but it explains how the show can portray him as kind to her at the end of her life. I got a different impression entirely. Thanks again!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Hey would never find another woman that would devote themselves to him and he was rt. Men like that shouldn’t exist

      @sheenamcguire5225@sheenamcguire52253 ай бұрын
    • And a very bad mother! Cold and distant

      @museoflove8255@museoflove82553 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory The book on which this show is based described him as repentant and devoted while she was dying. If only he'd been so devoted before she became ill. But he wasn't. And then I came across something devastating - Slim Keith had a secret affair with Bill, and used to meet him when her best friend Babe was out of town. I've forgotten where I came across that little fact. It's disgusting how they all constantly betrayed each other. Truman wasn't the only one.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
    • @@sheenamcguire5225 The very definition of a CAD.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
  • These people are sadder than the poorest people on earth. They have everything, and it's not enough. Instead of being happy, they are miserable, and they enjoy making others miserable as well.

    @guerralg63@guerralg633 ай бұрын
    • Yes true but we sure do like to hear about them and watch shows about them! Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory Not really. I have a lot sympathy for this woman. I've been hearing a lot about this series coming up and I was wondering who these swans were. I've heard of Truman Capote, but I wasn't aware of this whole swan thing. The reason I watched this is because of your title. I knew who this media mogul was and just like media moguls today, they're a bunch of unscrupulous jerks, and that includes the women. I was not at all surprised that she was miserable with this egomaniac, but I was very surprised to see how dependent she was on him, and how she tried so hard to live life inspite of his mistreatment.

      @guerralg63@guerralg633 ай бұрын
    • Well said.

      @shilohnanny5422@shilohnanny54223 ай бұрын
    • They may have gotten there by stepping on poor people. Some rich people really don't care. Thanks for the reality check. Not bitter but poor. I'll be fine.

      @user-dt3wm8rn4j@user-dt3wm8rn4j2 ай бұрын
    • @user-dt3wm8rn4j , many rich people try to excuse their nastiness by doing charitable work, but their works are as filthy rags, snd doesn't justify or excuse them from their behavior.

      @guerralg63@guerralg632 ай бұрын
  • I read the book about Bill Paley you are referring to and what you say is spot on according to that author. I don't think even today that people get how serious mental abuse is and how harmful it can be. I like that you point out that Capote was no better. Her abused Babe is no many ways. He spotted her weakness and used it against her. I think that Capote was as much a predatory narcissist as Babe's husband. I feel for the woman. Thanks for this video.

    @howto4u705@howto4u7053 ай бұрын
    • Glad you caught that bit! Thanks!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Great comment. I think of a mean Don Draper when I think of Paley.

      @starrycrown@starrycrown3 ай бұрын
    • @@starrycrown Good comparison and betty is like Babe as well. Beautiful but insecure.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory And I just realized they both died of cancer, too. Yikes. 😳

      @starrycrown@starrycrown3 ай бұрын
    • All the stress of being "Mrs. Paley," could not have been good for fighting cancer.

      @aprilgrant1957@aprilgrant19573 ай бұрын
  • Very well done. I stumbled on Sally Bedel Smith’ “In All His Glory” when I was in college…a very sad story….Bravo, to Dorothy, Paley’s first wife. She escaped and, according to the book, ended up with a loving third husband.

    @freciemagdirila7075@freciemagdirila70753 ай бұрын
    • Thanks for the added information and thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Not all transactional marriages are "dark". Marrying for love is a rather new concept in human history.

    @baylorsailor@baylorsailor3 ай бұрын
    • That just means that males have been disgusting since the dawn of time. Transactional marriage is disgusting and dehumanizing for women. The marriages are abusive and the women are miserable. Transactional romance is always dark.

      @sarahrobertson634@sarahrobertson6343 ай бұрын
    • True

      @mesalouis8976@mesalouis89763 ай бұрын
    • But most end "dark" (unfortunately) in today's society...

      @margaretsterlacci5379@margaretsterlacci53792 ай бұрын
  • Babe was the original Stepford wife.

    @brandyjean7015@brandyjean70153 ай бұрын
    • Yep, he was in control. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Just ask her daughter

      @missymouse9754@missymouse97543 ай бұрын
    • There are still loads of Stepford wives out there...we live in a town full of them. Their husbands have mistresses while these wives are either shopping, taking gym classes or out walking on their cell phones. The despise women like my wife who have professional careers.

      @thomasmcnerney9745@thomasmcnerney97453 ай бұрын
  • I can't believe we care about their crummy marriage. Someone once said, "When you marry for money, you pay for every dime." It couldn't be more accurate.

    @panam747@panam7473 ай бұрын
  • “He didn’t want her doing her hair at night” Goodness, friggin gracious !

    @mardigrassnowballs3258@mardigrassnowballs32583 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, right!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • That is why you have separate beds and bedrooms...so you don't have to put up with "his stupid remarks" ...it works both ways.

      @lindadeal3344@lindadeal33443 ай бұрын
  • Much like the way Prince Ranier treated Princess Grace, Bill Paley treated Babe as nothing but a trophy and was indifferent to her.

    @3blackcats999@3blackcats9993 ай бұрын
    • Except Rainier was so creepy looking. Never understood Grace for taking that plunge. ICKY RAINIER.

      @selfself8813@selfself88133 ай бұрын
    • It takes a certain kind of man to do that. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@selfself8813 The rest of the men in her life didn't want to marry her - just use her as a mistress.

      @elliebellie7816@elliebellie78163 ай бұрын
    • @@selfself8813 Wealth and money money money, status and fame. Bet Grace regretted that marriage greatly.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
    • ​@selfself8813 Bill Paley was gross too.

      @Cindy-wt6jl@Cindy-wt6jl3 ай бұрын
  • Babe Paley endorsed Halston on the high society fashion map!

    @lunallena5594@lunallena55943 ай бұрын
    • Netflix did a series on him a few years ago. Another Ryan Murphy production.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Capote was a really crap friend. Who didn't he destroy?

    @NinjaGrrrl7734@NinjaGrrrl77343 ай бұрын
    • Good point! Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • He was a writer and they knew it.

      @cherylpelletier3165@cherylpelletier31653 ай бұрын
    • It's simple. Mr. Capote hated all of them with a vengence. Only, Marella Agnelli realized it.

      @malinstella6965@malinstella69653 ай бұрын
    • He died from alcoholism. So there's that.

      @yvonneplant9434@yvonneplant94343 ай бұрын
    • And I think the real story being told in this series is about friendship.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
  • Here's a fact: All of their husbands were cads. An old fashioned word, Cad, but it's appropriate. All the husbands felt somehow obligated to betray their wives at every opp. I wash my hands of such men, and would rather live without them. Marrying for money - maybe they deserved what they got. But I feel sorry for their children, who were thoroughly ignored.

    @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
    • It is true that Babe was not a great mother. In my research I read a quote by her daughter that said she was pretty non-existent as a parent. But then, Babe's mothere doesn't sound like she was much better. Is is a sad facet but - We parent as we are parented unless we get conscious and make a commitment to do better. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
  • They both were focused on the superficial. Babe was trained up to keep up appearances above anything else . She swallowed the cool aid around what is important in life , we can lay the blame on her mother . It’s not so different to Jane Austin novel . He was trying to make it in a bigoted society where again appearances mattered more than anything else . She met his needs , he probably had attitudes to women common in the day . As for Mr Capote ,what a vile user

    @marianneisaacs8232@marianneisaacs82323 ай бұрын
    • I found it interesting that BIll's first wife Dorothy introduced him to pscyhoanalysis - something new at the time. But narcissist are never changed from introspection so it didn't make a dent with him. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • EXACTLY 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻‼️‼️‼️

      @greeneyedwarlock882@greeneyedwarlock8823 ай бұрын
    • KOOL AID.

      @LannieLord@LannieLord3 ай бұрын
  • A tale as old as time. Beauty and the Beast.

    @MeretSeger@MeretSeger3 ай бұрын
  • In my profession I have worked with several high society wives. What always strikes me is the abuse they will endure to stay wealthy and socially connected. The men are powerful but abusive bores. I learned an important lesson from my great grandmother. She marched for women's rights and kicked her wealthy azzhole husband to the curb. She raised her sons without any child support. She refused to sell herself out.

    @a.jlondon9039@a.jlondon90393 ай бұрын
    • Awesome message! Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • I think she definitely suffered long before her husband at the hands of her mother's desire to have her family become social elites. Reminds me a bit of Consuela Vanderbilt in that regard. That being said, she could have stepped away. The truth of her having "no money" isn't the same as what we typically associate with a woman of this era. She wouldn't have been destitute; she divorced her first husband despite having two children with him, but she would have to give up the social standing she had built up. The truth is that her obsession with a perfect life kept her in that marriage as much as anything else.

    @dostagirl9551@dostagirl95513 ай бұрын
    • Just like in the GIlded Age!Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Each of the Cushing sisters was superficial, social climbing women of little substance. Money, power, and status were of the utmost importance to them to the exclusion of everything else. They ultimately ended up with what they deserved.

      @travelseatsyellowlab@travelseatsyellowlab3 ай бұрын
    • There are millions of women today putting up with abusive husband not knowing that they are abused. Babe traded her abusive husband for the social status, she did not love her husband but used him. Thus they are equal.

      @fumikofawcett9032@fumikofawcett9032Ай бұрын
  • Bill must have loved that lamp.

    @HeathertheGreat_@HeathertheGreat_3 ай бұрын
    • Control issue

      @arribaficationwineho32@arribaficationwineho323 ай бұрын
  • Rich people problems are ridiculous, materialism, status and superficiality makes her miserable but she chose that stupid life.

    @afrosamourai400@afrosamourai4003 ай бұрын
    • I guess you are watching the FX show then😁

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory I'm watching the show too and the emptiness of these womens' lives is palpable. Babe didn't have a close relationship with her own children - how sad to forfeit all that love for social stature. Truly am shaking my head.

      @gtaylor6937@gtaylor69373 ай бұрын
    • hey, im a nice person.

      @user-cj4dq8tz1c@user-cj4dq8tz1c3 ай бұрын
  • Love your channel! New subscriber. I love how you showed compassion for Babe. While she might have led a life of privilege, she also paid for her choices, as she was never happy, and died so young.

    @alexandrap6071@alexandrap60713 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Appreciate the positive feedback!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • So sad . She should have divorced him and moved to Europe

    @Yvonne-ox8sv@Yvonne-ox8sv3 ай бұрын
    • As with a lot of abuse cases - and it was psychological abuse - the victim stays for a variety of reasons. I sought to explain in my analysis in this video why she did stay. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • True.... But she was "addicted" to the money he had made that provided an extremely comfortable life for herself. There is ALWAYS some sort of sacrifice involved in these marital transactions.

      @thomasmcnerney9745@thomasmcnerney97453 ай бұрын
    • I think you missed something. Babe had money, lots and lots of it, prior to the marriage. She could have lived gorgeously without him. Period. Yeah, Bill made lots of money. He showered her with it, usually.

      @LKre-vi5oq@LKre-vi5oq3 ай бұрын
    • @@LKre-vi5oq That is true. She had tons of money. That is why the WHY question is worth looking at and what compelled me to do the research and find out and share my analysis. . Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@thomasmcnerney9745 Good point. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Great job! I have been reading about the Swans for years...have a almost every swan bio which is why I am sooo disappointed in the Capote vs Swans FX movie. It reminded me of the old cheapy mini series movies they used to show on network television. That being said...to get back to subject...I think that she would have been the loser if she had divorced Bill. New York society was very important to her and Bill would have just remarried some other glamourous woman and she would have been just another ex-Mrs. Paley. Plus all the work she put in their homes...I just can't see her giving it all up just to be another divorcee. Not in that era anyway!

    @mallorygraf8574@mallorygraf85743 ай бұрын
    • Glad you like it and thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • I agree about the show. I have only watched one episode, but I find it tawdry.

      @jonnarobinson7541@jonnarobinson75413 ай бұрын
    • @@jonnarobinson7541 Very tawdry.

      @mallorygraf8574@mallorygraf85743 ай бұрын
    • Yessss! The show sucks and is so miscast

      @variousJnames@variousJnames3 ай бұрын
  • Babe Paley...such a beautiful but tragic face 🎭😢 Great photos btw

    @citizen1163@citizen11633 ай бұрын
    • Thanks to getty images! Thanks for joining the conversatioN1

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • BABE WAS OLD MONEY. BILL WAS JUST .. BILL…

    @CALIFREAKINFORNIABOY@CALIFREAKINFORNIABOY3 ай бұрын
    • Bill created CBS. No small achievement.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
  • She was beautiful and very kind. Not cold. The cruel on was Truman.

    @toniam.2080@toniam.20803 ай бұрын
    • Yes, to my understanding is that she was kind. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • She was not kind to her children at all. Stature and appearance was what mattered to her and her sisters. Her daughter, Kate, had to literally be begged to visit her mother on her deathbed.

      @ellenh6471@ellenh64713 ай бұрын
    • No she was cold to her two sets of children.

      @variousJnames@variousJnames3 ай бұрын
  • What a monster he was. All the money in the world can’t buy happiness or peace of mind.

    @Meggiebeth19@Meggiebeth193 ай бұрын
    • Babe's life does make that point. ThanKS foR joininG the coNversaTIoN!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Bill provided Babe with all the money she would ever need. She was not innocent, her & Bill were having an affair and BABE was having affairs too . Babe married Bill for the money End of. She traded off ! Wake up folks. I grew up with a mother like Babe. And remeber these women never did housework, laundry , or worked 9-5 came home and had to cook dinner and out the kids to bed. They were having affairs , drinking with the gals and shopping haute . So please stop makkng Babe a victim.

    @catlover4700@catlover47003 ай бұрын
    • I think that Babe had affairs looking for love and kindness. Not quite the same a Bill- the womanizer but am always glad to hear the other side of things. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory So it's OK for her to have affairs ? Why didn't she leave? Make a clean break? She wasn't exactly mother of the year , and that was clear even during her first marriage. She cheated with Bill. And she stayed with Bill because of the power. No offense but please stop painting her as a victim. She was not a victim, she had for more choices than any other woman had in that era. She had privilege. May she rest in peace.

      @catlover4700@catlover47003 ай бұрын
  • I read that one of his swans, Slim Keith had a job briefly and was so incompetent that she vowed never to work again, and always depended upon men.

    @pauladouglas9891@pauladouglas98913 ай бұрын
  • "Groomed to serve a man without complaint." Nostalgic indeed!

    @warrenpeece1726@warrenpeece17263 ай бұрын
    • That was how marriages worked then

      @arribaficationwineho32@arribaficationwineho323 ай бұрын
  • I just found your channel last night. I love this series! So interesting! Thank you for your hard work and great videos. I definitely subbed! ❤

    @ThatEllen74@ThatEllen742 ай бұрын
    • Awesome! Thank you!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory2 ай бұрын
  • Were there any love matches during the 1950’s or 60’s? The only one I can think of is the Carters.

    @pennyp.coleman3944@pennyp.coleman39443 ай бұрын
    • We used to think the Kennedys were the ideal couple. my mother just worshipped them. But all the time Jack was serially betraying Jackie constantly.

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
    • The Carters were a love match maintained it all their lives.

      @lindadeal3344@lindadeal33443 ай бұрын
    • There were, Willis and Estella, my mother and father. Married 65 years.

      @malinstella6965@malinstella69653 ай бұрын
    • My mom and dad. Married for 64 years. And the best mom and dad my sister and I could ask for.

      @retrobebop61@retrobebop613 ай бұрын
    • My parents were married for 63 years. I know of more in my home town. But they weren't concerned with money and status. Their main focus was their home and family.

      @TheKyPerson@TheKyPerson3 ай бұрын
  • The sad part about this is that Truman was her best friend and he betrayed her. So she was not only screwed over by her husband but also by her best friend. I mean what was Truman thinking when he wrote Lacote Basque? . He destroyed his relationship with her and I got a wonder did he really value it? I think he was a narcissist too.

    @Richard-dw4qo@Richard-dw4qo2 ай бұрын
  • I had no idea CBS was built on the profits of the cigar industryl one learns something every day! This pattern of marriage seems, in many ways, an entirely US-based mirror of the earlier 'Gilded Age' aspirations of ambitious American mothers to marry their wealthy daughers off to cash-poor British aristocrats, to attain both affluence and society kudos for both families in one partnership. Whuile these arrangements appear to have satisfied the bridal mother and groom, there seems to be a recurring narrative of the wealthy bride having to accept her lot and to sublimate absolutely her own ambitions and desires. So much for a 'charmed life'!

    @williamevans9426@williamevans94263 ай бұрын
    • Yes it is very much like the Gilded Age. I am sure this show will be as popular because we all like to look into the lives of the wealthy. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Different era Very interesting story

    @cherylb2008@cherylb20083 ай бұрын
    • Glad you liked it

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • And this is why i like cz guest more lol

    @unaonse1115@unaonse11153 ай бұрын
    • Yes, I am looking forward to making a video about her. Interesting woman. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • It's interesting how all.of a sudden there is so much interest in persons that were so fabulous in their time, up to now nobody knew who they were! Its good that all the people now realize what taste, style and great living is! There is nobody nowadays that lived like these people lived. Reading would help. But nobody reads.

    @tonyurrutia4308@tonyurrutia43083 ай бұрын
    • Speak for yourself!

      @terry4137@terry41373 ай бұрын
    • I knew that era because I'm in my 80s and remember it well. I compare it to the Gilded Age - these wealthy people could be the grandchildren of Gilded Age millionaires, and inherited old money from them

      @joansutton@joansutton3 ай бұрын
    • Very true Joan!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • I'm a classic movie fanatic and knew about all these people well before this.

      @mjohnson1741@mjohnson17413 ай бұрын
    • 😂I say that all the time about people not reading anymore. But some do! These eras and this lifestyle is fascinating to me

      @variousJnames@variousJnames3 ай бұрын
  • The Jane Austen era has never ended for some. Simple truth.

    @judithholder2537@judithholder25373 ай бұрын
  • money on one side, beauty on the other.

    @w.urlitzer1869@w.urlitzer18693 ай бұрын
  • I haven't seen anyone else cover this topic so kudos to you for doing so. I imagine you will get a lock of flak for calling out Paley for what he was. KZhead is largely a male based audience - and youn, too - so I don't you will get the credit you deserve for tackling this topic. I am sure there will be guys crying in their beer that you are too hard on Paley and calling you all kinds of names. Keep a stiff upper lip! I love and appreciate your channel

    @historychannelpodcasts@historychannelpodcasts3 ай бұрын
    • I volunteered at a shelter for abused women back when I was getting my psych degree and fully undertand the cycle of abuse and how and why the women stay in their abusive situation so this topic called out to me to do this video analysis. Thanks so much for appreciating the work it takes to put these videos together and thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • These women married for money and security rather than love.

    @jacquelineloveselvis@jacquelineloveselvis3 ай бұрын
  • Capote was such a nasty little snake to parade her suffering for his own aggrandizement.

    @camhamster3891@camhamster38913 ай бұрын
    • It sure seems that way. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • He was so naive to think he could write anything about his swans and that they wouldn't realize that they were the subject of his vitriol.

      @pauladouglas9891@pauladouglas98913 ай бұрын
    • @@pauladouglas9891but the public did not. Only those in that society would know who thhey were

      @arribaficationwineho32@arribaficationwineho323 ай бұрын
  • Rich and powerful people are some of the most miserable sobs ever. They don't know joy and never have good relationships with their kids. They're not nice people. So I also believe they make their own karma.

    @variousJnames@variousJnames3 ай бұрын
  • Bill Paley and Barbara Cushing each got what they wanted and deserved in one another. Each of these people married for superficial reasons, didn't like one another, had little substance.

    @travelseatsyellowlab@travelseatsyellowlab3 ай бұрын
  • @8:14 is my favorite picture of her

    @tchrisou812@tchrisou8123 ай бұрын
    • She was so gorgeous. I really enjoyed going through all the photos to make this video, Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Truman’s short story ‘Mohave’ seemed to be Babe & Bill

    @jogianni100@jogianni1002 ай бұрын
  • The ultimate trophy wife

    @stevenwilliambaylessparks3730@stevenwilliambaylessparks37303 ай бұрын
    • True. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Just can't see how those sisters were seen to be so good looking. All had weird jaws and chins. Bill and Babe both knew what the other wanted. I don't think she was a very nice person, appeared cold and emotionless, a very indifferent parent as well.

    @darcymccattipus908@darcymccattipus9083 ай бұрын
    • Yes sadly. She was not a good mother as her own adult children have attested to. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Bill’s first wife was an ex wife of Hearst son .. Dorothy bagged him once he got controlling ., she had alot to give , but he was a taker

    @lauramcgowan3740@lauramcgowan37403 ай бұрын
  • Follow the money is the reason why

    @lalala2407@lalala24073 ай бұрын
    • You got it. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Why pity her? She chose to live a vacuous life as an armpiece. Beauty and grace exchanged for material wealth and social status. And fashion.

    @barbaras8562@barbaras85623 ай бұрын
    • Yep. She felt like hell but looked fabulous and that is all that life was about for this milieu

      @sararichardson737@sararichardson7373 ай бұрын
    • She did look fabulous!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Maybe you need to understand that she was raised that way. In those times, you didn’t question your upbringing, much less if you were part of high society. Divorce was a failure in those times…and maybe by being abused so many years, she felt she couldn’t do it. Let’s not judge.

      @alexandrap6071@alexandrap60713 ай бұрын
    • @alexandrap6071 quite the opposite. Divorce among the elites was pretty common. So was bed hopping. Same as today. I'm not judging her, I'm just not feeling sorry for her. She had freedom to pursue her interests and affairs while he was doing the same.

      @barbaras8562@barbaras85623 ай бұрын
    • She was divorced from her first husband. Her two “fabulous “ sisters who were also trained to marry for money were divorced from first husbands. Slim Keith was on her third husband by the time she became a “swan”. It was done…but Babe was wired differently. Her confidence came from her looks, style and manners…. Otherwise she was an insecure sad woman

      @ellenh6471@ellenh64713 ай бұрын
  • Shocking how well-cast the show is. She really looks like Naomi Watts & same for all the rest.

    @frankievalentine6112@frankievalentine61122 ай бұрын
    • I know. Everyone seems to be so well cast. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory2 ай бұрын
  • So was her first husband also a "monster?" Paley was a high powered, wealthy. Influential businessman. Bigger name than she was. That's why she married him and stayed married. He was a social climber but she and her sisters took climbing to a whole new level.

    @laurelaltman6138@laurelaltman61383 ай бұрын
    • He first husband did have wealth but he was an abusive alcholic, as I understand it. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Her first husband was an incorrigable drunkard and violent - yes, I would categorize that as monstrous and who can blamer her for divorcing the jerk? LOTS of people - both men and women stay in bad marriages for all sorts of reasons - go figure. I have a friend who was single until she was 45 and married a freeloaching mooch who was the male equivalent of a gold digger. My female friend had a masters degree and a high powered executive job. Not a millioniare at all - but very comfortable upper middle class, homeowner, good pension, investment portfolio. For reasons I will NEVER understand, she fell in love and married a real creep -he had been earning minimum wage for the last 20 years and lived in a tiny dumpy studio apt with almost no belongings - he was a fork lift operator in a warehouse and only a High School diploma. WHY WHY WHY would a woman who earns an upper class income, masters degree, executive job and lots of financial assets want to marry such a marginal man? He was grumpy, argumentative, for no reason at all he would fly into violent screaming tantrums and rage as long as one hour. He treated my friend badly. At one point I took her aside in private and told her that although her crappy husband never physically beat her - his atrocious behavior towards her was definitely domestic violence. She defended him and insisted how fabulous he was. She was the major breadwinner financially and earned about 5 times more than her husband. They both had full time jobs - he had a low level clerical job pushing papers - and she worked full time as an executive. Despite they BOTH worked full time - the husband never lifted a finger to do any housework. She waited on him hand and foot and cleaned up after him - all the while extolling how fabulous he was. I lost touch with my friend - but learned on social media that her jerk of a husband quit his job at only 58 years old to "retire" - well he has no Social Security pension until 66 and it will be a pittance since he earned minimum wage most of his life. So while he is goofing off being lazy - his wife has TWO FULL TIME JOBS financially supporting him. Go figure. Techinically she is "smart" - masters degree and executive job - but those "smart" women sometimes make horrible choices about who they marry! Smart Women & Dumb Choices! Babe Paley was terrified if she divorced Bill she would wind up forgotten, friendless and lose all of her social standing. Bill would have immediately gotten married on the rebound to a woman 20 years younger than he was and he would have maintained his social standing - sexist double standards apply here. NY high society folks are horrid snobs and although she would have received alimony and child support, her standard of living would be drastically reduced. I don't think the ONLY reason she stayed with that asshole was financial. I believe she was brainwashed by her mother to put up with all sorts of abuse from a husband and just brainwashed to be a Stepford Wife - docile, meek and put up with anything rotten a husband did to her. Ultimately she was the "Perfect" socialite - but utterly miserable married to that jerk. This is just how devoted to "Perfection" that Babe was - she organized every detail of her funeral - right down to every flower arrangement, silverware, food served and the music that was played, the candle lighting, right down to the minutae details.......everyone who attended her funeral and the gathering afterward said they could FEEL Babe's presence in the room quite strongly - that aura of "Perfection" resonated at the funeral gathering - even though she had passed away. BTW - this is very quirky detail - when she was very very young, ishe sustained horrendous injuries to her face in a catastrophic car crash. Her face was almost completely crushed - but she had a wizard of a plastic surgeon who actually made her MORE BEAUTIFUL than she was before the car crash - wierd but true!

      @colleenwhalen6981@colleenwhalen698124 күн бұрын
  • what a shitty friend he was

    @thepoetswife@thepoetswife3 ай бұрын
    • I'd say so. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • So sad that women then were taught to marry well instead of being sucessful in their own right. Society was so superficial, all those charity balls were just an excuse to have a party, the charity part was just to deflect criticism. So man of these men were never satisfied with one woman and humiliated their wives.

    @pauladouglas9891@pauladouglas98913 ай бұрын
    • Very true! Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Tell the makers of THIS to do a series on ill-fated glam rock star Jobraith. 1973.

    @LannieLord@LannieLord3 ай бұрын
  • That man just used her.....typical

    @pearlfeather9326@pearlfeather93263 ай бұрын
  • great

    @stephaniehand503@stephaniehand5033 ай бұрын
  • Babe y la mamá de Truman en la serie son muy monas 🙈🙉🙊💛💙❤️

    @cristianmanuelbohadacastro4907@cristianmanuelbohadacastro49073 ай бұрын
    • Google translated what you say here as: Babe and Truman's mom in the series are very cute. - Not sure if that is what you meant but glad for your comment!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory si así es encanto 💛💙❤️

      @cristianmanuelbohadacastro4907@cristianmanuelbohadacastro49073 ай бұрын
  • 10 years her senior !! Big deal. Geez get a clue. There is nothing odd about their relationship. That was standard operating procedure for the times, the wealth involved and drive to gain prestige and power. Rules, expectations, secrets, tragedies, and cover ups were part and parcel of " high society" . Capote was desparate for attention in his later years .

    @laara1426@laara14263 ай бұрын
    • He was desparate for attention all his life for sure. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Quite enjoying your videos. You speak and highlight spotlight individuals with diplomatic dignity. The ending clips of you are a discredit however. The videos are serious and well researched. You choose to end them however with laughing and smiling and a cheap green sheet.. It doesn't do you the conclusion you well deserve.

    @deeelle6744@deeelle6744Ай бұрын
  • It may seem that Babe had it all - wealth, beautiful clothes and objects surrounding her. However, in nearly all the photos of her, she isn't smiling. I wouldnt have wamted life, to be honest.

    @ilanamillion8942@ilanamillion89423 ай бұрын
    • That's a good observation. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Are we supposed to feel sorry for this woman!? Sure.

    @mariannebonner2280@mariannebonner22803 ай бұрын
    • Compassion for women in abuse situations is a good thing.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Why is this important? These people sound like a gang of shallow, narcissists or emotional co-dependants.

    @fairdose@fairdose3 ай бұрын
    • Must be importanty to a few thousand since that is how many views!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Because those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it. Watch, listen, learn

      @CFinch360@CFinch3603 ай бұрын
  • She used him. He used her.

    @user-tp3rs6qs8w@user-tp3rs6qs8w3 ай бұрын
    • Yep. transactional marriage. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • What's the mystery concerning the brief marriage of Jeffrey and Paula Paley. What did she do? To be banished far away to Puerto Rico

    @teresaferrer4748@teresaferrer47483 ай бұрын
    • I see you posted this on another of my video. I seriously have no clue who you are referencing and have no idea how it relates to Babe Paley.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Insecure woman from another era who made a deal with the Devil.. because money was ALL to her and her famiy.

    @marilynmichaels8358@marilynmichaels83583 ай бұрын
    • Hey always good to hear opposing views! Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Totally agree. She was a materialist. Glamorous, beautiful, intelligent, but still at the end of the day, things and status mattered more.

      @lilylittlemonster5@lilylittlemonster53 ай бұрын
    • He didn’t have all that much money at that time. Only a title. Grace’s family had to put up a dowry. ICKY and no money! Double Ick!

      @selfself8813@selfself88133 ай бұрын
  • Beautiful people aren't.

    @brober@brober3 ай бұрын
    • What did I miss? not sure what you are referring to.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
    • Go figure🙄@@fabulouswomeninhistory

      @brober@brober3 ай бұрын
    • @@fabulouswomeninhistory I think the comment means beautiful people aren’t really beautiful. It’s that society assumes all sorts of positive attributes surround someone simply because they have a beautiful appearance.

      @TheDriftwoodlover@TheDriftwoodlover3 ай бұрын
  • Capote was sick man.l don't know how this beautifull nice women had him for friend.l coudnt stand his voice and. look.

    @willbusn5683@willbusn56833 ай бұрын
  • What a sad life.

    @marylou3995@marylou39953 ай бұрын
    • So true.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • It is said Babe was not close to her kids.

    @thall8095@thall80953 ай бұрын
    • Yes her daughter said that she wasn't a great mom. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Why live in fear she had enough money to go it alone it’s not worth staying

    @joeyxc4@joeyxc43 ай бұрын
  • Gosh, so many wonderful comments. Although I just don't agree, in general with the comments about Truman. By the time time he was involved with these women, he was a mess. He'd let himself really go to hell, morally & in many other ways. His drinking & drugs were out of control. The turning point was when he wrote "In Cold Blood". He truly sacrificed his morals for a best seller. That in itself says a lot about him. But seriously he wasn't the vile insect he was portrayed to be.

    @irshgrl500@irshgrl5002 ай бұрын
    • Always good to hear other sides of the topic. Thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory2 ай бұрын
  • Why did she marry him? Why did she stay??? 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

    @d.l.l.6578@d.l.l.65783 ай бұрын
    • That's easy - money and status.

      @michelez715@michelez7153 ай бұрын
    • Because he provided a fantastic lifestyle.

      @tiaremaui@tiaremaui3 ай бұрын
    • That's what the video is about! Hope you watch it till the end to get the full unstanding!😎

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • Money.

    @Mrrossj01@Mrrossj012 ай бұрын
  • Why? He certainly wasn't a street cleaner. Rich and powerful. That's it. Too bad poor girl tough life. Yeah tough

    @biff5856@biff58562 ай бұрын
  • Materialism, status seeking and social climbing is exhausting when all you have to do is develop your self.

    @TradeWynn65@TradeWynn653 ай бұрын
  • I'd like to feel sorry for Babe, but her mother, like Jackie Kennedy's mother, raised her daughter with only ONE goal in mind, and it wasn't to be well educated and have a career; it wasn't to get married to a good man and raise happy children: no, her ONE purpose in life was to marry well, a man with pockets deeper than the man next to him. And in that, Babe didn't fulfill her one purpose since both her sisters married men much richer and just as callous as Bill Paley.

    @adellemery3336@adellemery333610 күн бұрын
  • Bill was a Jew. Babe was a WASP catch. Babe didn't have a lot of money. Bill was rich. It was a totally transactional marriage on both sides. Babe had style but I never thought she was beautiful. What's your source that Tru lied about her? These women were idiots if they didn't think that he would ever write about them. He will be remembered ling after everyone forgets about Babe and Bill and the rest of these people.

    @elizabethhopkins7582@elizabethhopkins75823 ай бұрын
    • I am not sure what you are referring to "Tru lied about her." He didn't lie so much as he exposed her husband infidelities which everyone knew about, but still, it hurt Babe because it was a betrayal of confincences.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
  • money

    @donnasherwood283@donnasherwood2832 ай бұрын
  • Truman was a writer. Unless you're a writer, you'll never understand the art of storytelling. He had a rough childhood. Nobody is perfect and everyone is far too judgemental.

    @traceyestes@traceyestes20 күн бұрын
  • Competition and gambling and drinking. A rich and poor life.

    @user-dt3wm8rn4j@user-dt3wm8rn4j2 ай бұрын
  • Is it true Babe had painful false teeth?

    @mailmanron46@mailmanron462 ай бұрын
    • Yes, she didf have false teeth. She was in an auto accident in early adulthood (maybe late teens) and had to have her jaw reconstructed and false teeth.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory2 ай бұрын
  • Haha, this vid reads like a list of unscrupulous horrid people, aka social climbers. Imagine a room filled with these people that use each other for a living. Oh wait. The ball of the century for the who is who amongst the creme de la creme of the most horrid ones, organized by arguable the most horrid one of all.

    @richiekock8835@richiekock88352 ай бұрын
  • The series has turned to garbage. Woke nonsense. And script obviously young generation. The ‘f’ word was not used that often even in that crowd. That is not a comment regarding your channel. The series is proving disappointing.

    @sageryan5819@sageryan58192 ай бұрын
    • Appreciate your thoughts on this matter.

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory2 ай бұрын
  • My latest deep dive as I'm all things communication, broadcasting and just retired from medicine so Babe's dad Dr. Cushing is also fascinating to me and wow, what an accomplished man and complete departure from William. I enjoy bios and after having read a score of bios on moguls studio heads, producers and Charlie Chaplin it just seems that movies were the latest excuse for a life of frolic. Louise Brooks was kept by Bill Paley her whole life! Babe had to put up with that and more. First wife Dorothy cut quite the figure, I'd like to learn more of her fate. Her connection with the Hearst family of interest as well. In my very simple radio career I was sent to cover some local high society events in Colorado and those folks acted paranoid and will side eye you all day long! Knowing you're not one of them or the help,... who are you? Tru, the dress code of this echelon in the mid-century era and the sheer intensity that was the blossoming world of entertainment makes it all heady and fun history to absorb. Your vid nicely done, thanks!!

    @dawnreneegmail@dawnreneegmail3 ай бұрын
    • Hi there! I like bio's as well and why I started this channel. Thanks for the feedback of the video and thanks for joining the conversation!

      @fabulouswomeninhistory@fabulouswomeninhistory3 ай бұрын
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