In this short video I compare my Yamaha 130hp 2 stroke motor against my new 2020 130hp four stroke (same boat) including top speed, fuel economy verses positives verses negatives.
In this short video I compare my Yamaha 130hp 2 stroke motor against my new 2020 130hp four stroke (same boat) including top speed, fuel economy verses positives verses negatives.
I’ve owned both and for me the 2-stroke is my preference.
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Cummins oil injected dry sump OP 2 stroke
2 stroke motors just dont die and yes I love the smell of 2 stroke 🤣🤣🤣
Gotta like them old yamaha 2 strokes they're bulletproof. I still use a 93model 115 yamaha to fish lake Erie. Its never let me down. It does gulp fuel though.
The sheer number of reman houses breathing new life into the 20+ year old 2 strokes just shows how durable and desirable these power plants are.
..imagine how long they last up in Canada where the boating season is barely 5 months long...lotsa running mills still around from the 60's and 70's...
@@FeldwebelWolfenstool same here in Norway, boat barely gets used due to weather, i have a early 60s 35hp two stroke suzuki. runs perfect, burns alot of fuel compared to a fourstroke, but id rather spend money on fuel then parts :)
@@imortaliz Thanks for the comment. I do a lot of fishing kms, up to 100km in one days fishing which is about 50 litres of fuel. My old 2 stroke in this video would have used about 85 litres. At $1.30/litre here in Australia that about 50 bucks more!
@@ShortFlic haha nice :D i do fish aswell but only when its sunny out XD 1.30 is pretty cheap, 2.50/l Austrailian dollars here
In EU €1.40 per litre 😕
Thanks for taking the time to put the comparison video together, very informative
I still miss the smell of the 2 stroke though.
Ha Ha. I miss it, then I remember what a whole day can be like (when I go out in my mate's 2 stroke). I do love trolling for miles in the 4
I reckon the 2 stroke has one of the best outboard sounds at idle
Yeah agree. Punchy. The four has opened up a bit, now doing 120hours. It has a nice mid-range whine (like the old mercruiser sterndrives). Miss the 2 stroke, not the fuel bill or smoke.
Wow, 2 stroke *holeshot* was really impressive, perfect for water sports. Both engines are nice and well made video 💯
Cheers. I must say the four stoke has opened up since it has now done 60 hours. It has a hole shot that must be 90% that of the 2 stroke, just sounds much lazier..
@@ShortFlic u might want to reajust the valves on that 4 stroke.. it sounds a little rough... or maybe its the microphone... or the gas ur using... ive heard smoother ones in person.
I think the 2 Stoke could go up a prop size. I have the same motor - 2004 2 stroke 130 with around 450hrs and my hole shot is nothing like that but I get around 72km/h at just under 5700 rpm
Centerboard is the way for water sports... 100%
4 to troll 2. To go
What a super video. Thank you. If I ever move away from a 2 stroke I'd miss the enormous cloud of smoke on start-up at 5am on a cold winters morning!!!
2 stroke smoke smell like good time on a weekend :)
@@tomaslight Sure does! I took my daughter to the snow (back when she was little) and we walked past a snowmobile and she said, "Dad it smells like the boat"
@@iain1969 my daughter says it reminds summer!
I wonder if the e Tec 130. Rude would do better?
I wish Yamaha had invented the etec fuel injection system instead of Evinrude, they would have made a great engine and probably would still be around. 4 strokes earned their place in outboards, they beat the old technology 2 strokes in many important areas. I still think there’s a place for the etec two stroke, the torque, economy and low emissions is hard to ignore.
Yamaha did invent it's own 2-stroke direct injection system. But 4-stroke was the winner.
@@mcplutt 4 Stroke has never been the winner in outboards.... what are you new to boats or what?
@@lastaccountbannedfortalkin1449 4-stroke IS the winner in outboards. Just look to Mercury.
I totally agree. Just got myself a bass tracker with a 75 hp Evinrude E-Tec. What a wonderful motor and the hole shot is very impressive. So far a great motor for me.
Yamaha HPDI series (High pressure direct injection) very sought after motors today, has the fuel efficiency and the two stoke torque (mercury optimax series is also direct injected two stokes)
Thanks for the info 👍
I have a 150 Hp Yamaha 2000, 2 stroke and it has 650 hours, its been a great motor and some day will buy a 4 stroke i have a Honda 9.9, 4 stroke for trolling . Nice vid thanks from Canada .
What a fantastic comparison. Same boat, same fuel load etc. Just different engines, perfect! I was amazed to see how close they are on weight, and that the fourstroke just won on top end... though the difference was so negligible it could have been weather / tide. There's no denying the fuel economy of the four stroke is the main reason to change over. However, an important point on 2 stroke outboards that is often missed is that in a harsh salt water environment a total loss oil system means the engine is constantly cleaning its self out. If it swallows a bit of water it's soon gone. If you completely drown a 2 stroke, you've got a much better chance of getting it going again than the four stroke. Great vid, awesome job mate.
Nope my dads 2008-09 yamaha 90 4 stroke sunk exactly 4 times. I got it going 5 times!
@@edwardabrahamiii3742 well done! I resurrected a df90 after being sunk in salt water. It's fine now, but it would have been easier if it was a 2 banger
Thank you for the video ! I will choose the 2 strk!
Got the two stroke. We do mainly skiing with kids so will stick with it.
Nice to see a good comparison, and a Adelaide local👍👍
Very good comparison, and I was honestly impressed with the four stroke. Where power to weight comes into play two strokes used to rule the world and I love the powerband of a 2 stroke dirt bike or go kart. That said, one of my favorite bikes was my Honda XR350R. Ahead of its time in 1984, this was a single cylinder 4 valve dual carb and dual exhaust engine. It had amazing off idle grunt, and when both carbs went WFO you had better be holding on to well over 100+ Miles per hour. We need to take care of our tiny earth, but please don't let the 2 strokes vanish.
Thanks for your comment. Bikes are crazy fast!
@@ShortFlic 2 stroke engines are already a thing of the past. Even Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Honda are not making 2 stroke engines anymore and 2 stroke engine oils are becoming rare. I own a 2 stroke INGCO generator and in absence of 2 stroke engine oil, I have to mix Motul full synthetic 10w40 Diesel multigrade motor oil with gasoline, it's a weird idea but knowing that everyone is now on 4 stroke engines, I have no choices left to keep my generator running. Adding excessive engine oil will eventually foul the spark plug, so better to use the same amount required by the generator Manual. I think if I had a 2 stroke outboard motor, I would undeniably do the same thing
I went from the 140 v4 yamaha to a f130 and definitely not disappointed. Hole shot was about the same. Top end on the f130 is 2kmh less but is running a size down on prop vs the 2 stroke. Getting 6400 rpm 2pob 100L fuel. 73kmh. 5.5m glass hull.
Steve in Florida I have a 115 4stk at low rpm at 800 remember I also have the prop rattle good video thank you Steve
Yeah, I found some seriously technical documents online but it makes sense with heavy Stainless props verses and 4 stroke power cycles. I purposely avoid that rpm. I would suggest any extra vibration or load cycles is not good for engine longevity..
Im seriously wanting a yamaha 130 4 stroke i think itll work wonders on my 20x6 flat bottom boat with the 20inch shaft but ima need to cut down my transom from 25 to 20
Great video, curious if prop pitch and size is similar or if you went with the one recommended by Yamaha? We run offshore in the Gulf of Mexico on a regulator 26. Two years ago we were runnin twin ox66 Yamaha 250s top speed about 60-62 depending on the load. Repowered it with twin Yamaha f200s (bracket wasn’t buoyant enough for what we wanted to hang the 250s) but now only tops about 45-46 and you have to get above 3800rpms just to get it to plane off, not knocking 4 strokes at all, I have a 250 Yamaha on my bay boat and it does amazing. Lost some speed on the twins from 2 stroke to 4 stroke but going from best mpg of 1.1 to 2.2-2.3 if I’m driving is nice, but I miss the sound of the 2 strokes.
Thanks for watching my video and comments. I used the standard recommend prop for both motors (except asked for a stainless prop for the 4). Prop sizes are very similar, just slightly higher pitch on the four. I'll have to dig up the specs (they are somewhere hear in the comments too).
Right on. I live two strokes...sorry to see them go, but I love my new Suzuki. I was surprised though reading the owners manual and watching KZhead videos at how much recommend maintenance there is.
After starting to do my own, it really isn't a massive issue or cost, even running full 5W - 30 Synthetic oil. Cost from dealer is $750. Cost at home is $120...Bit like a small 4 cylinder car
Now put 130hours in my F130A Four Stroke and it's opened up nicely. Best economy is around 3800rpm at 2.8km/litre. Also, 4300 / 4400rpm provides 2.5km/litre at 50km/hr.
G'day ShortFlic , I was wondering what pitch props were on each of these motors, I take it the two stroke had a 19 pitch prop. only because I have one of these although some people used the 17 depending on what sort of hull they were fitting the 2 stroke engine to. Thanks, Cheers. Great video by the way.
Hi, thanks for watching my video and for the question. The 2 stroke was using 13-1/2 X 15 Pitch S/S. The four stroke has a 13-1/4 X 17 Pitch S/S. Just be prepared for the strange phenomenon called prop chatter (about idle rpm) if you go to a Stainless propeller on a 4 stroke.
The prop size could explain the slight speed difference
Outboards are just insane motors, even the 2 strokes push 3000+ hours reliably. The 4strokes are probably even better but why replace it if its running well. I love the 2 stroke idle and jumps like a supercharged motor and has very simple moving parts. Can fix them on the lake and they are super cheap to service. I had a 2 stroke yamaha outboard 9.9hp that we had for 10 years and only risk it had was people forgetting its a 2 stroke, since the body looks very similar to 4s. When it comes to jet skis they are super light, and auto mix the oil so you get a variable oil ratio. Overall excellent video and loved seeing the old V4 2 stroker in action.
Thanks for your comments. Your are correct to ask why replace a well working motor with another new one. I really wanted to do a lot more trolling with the tuna we get in South Australia and this is where my old two stroke drank like a fish and smoked up badly. My four loves low down, slow hard work all day long.
Nice video comparison. What did you use to capture the fuel consumpsion on the 2 stroke?
Hi, Thanks for your question. I installed a Lowrance Electronic Fuel Flow Sensor (SKU: 000-11517-001). This connects to Lowrance HDS7
Great video
Great video👍
I love banging on my 93 Evinrude 120 for hours.
Great comparison video! I have a 94 Yamaha 85 hp 2 stroke that I'm replacing with a 115 hp Yamaha 4 stroke. While I do love my 85, it is 30 years old and some of the parts are becoming "no longer available". I do a lot of trolling which the 2 stroke hates, and then there's the noise. On a small boat like mine, even if your up front the engine is loud.
Thanks for your comment. I do soooooo much more tolling now I have the 4S
What does it hates trolling mean? What does it do?
Have flogged the crap out of the saltwater series 115 & 130 at work, two strokes never let me down, have used 60 & 90 fours, good economy but there ticks were louder after beatings.
Yeah, the 2 strokes go hard indeed. I have begun to push my 4 stroke hard and it's doing well, lets see after 500 hours..
@@ShortFlic Yamaha 4 strokes last ages. My 225 has 800 hours on it.
Great point highlighting 2 stroke's terrible fuel economy at low speed.. I get at best 1 litre per kilometer on a 90hp Mariner.
Fantastic video, would you be able to comment on the difference in noise between the two? Particularly when cruising. A bit hard to tell on the video
Hi Doug, yes the camera was a bit crap unfortunately. The two stroke sounds similar but louder, right through the rev range - hardly any difference at any rpm except idle. The four stroke between idle and 3000rpm sounds like a soft high pitch whirring noise, almost as though it has a turbo - really nice. As you increase the sound gets louder then into a barking noise towards flat-out (and quite loud). I think the 130hp must be tweeked 115? the air intakes under cowling are huge and can be herd gulping air when you berry it.
@@ShortFlic awesome thanks that's great info! Does the 4 stroke get up on a plane and cruise OK under 3000rpm? Didn't have a tach on old boat so no idea how hard it was going
@@dougw4034 Hi, sorry missed this question. The four is superb for low revs and holding boat on plane - perfect for rough seas or trolling! Lowest rpm for my boat planing is around 3300rpm. The 2 stroke would do this inconsistently, constantly drop off plane if boat hit bumps etc and use tons more fuel, like 2.5X. Real pain in rough conditions with 2 stroke wanting to run at 4000rpm...often too fast in rough conditions. I am now able to push further out knowing I have a slower safer return speed if needed (with 4S).
Interesting video and comparison. I grew up running only two stroke outboards and I had great luck with never a problem on any of them and in the early morning when that two stroke would start and you got a good wiff of the exhaust it smelled wonderful! NOW here we are today I still run a few outboards and I dont own even one 2 stroke engine anymore, sorry to say and yes I know all about two strokes wiping out the planet etc. etc.! Here in the US over the last 5 years 4 stroke outboards engines sales have continually gone up and as far as even the most advanced 2 stroke engines you can hardly give them away. The final demise of EVINRUDE was due their great research into making the 2 stroke great, which I sincerely believe they did but all the the bad press concerning the two strokes and again killing every living this on our planet (Thank your BS Press) was in the heads of every American buying a new outboard and now EVINRUDE is gone! I grew up with Evinrude they made great engines until because of poor management they built crap then Bombardier bought them and they made extremely high quality engines again (2 stroke) and now they dont! its to bad they tried to stick with the 2 stroke philosophy!
Appreciate subscribers!!! Cheers
anyone know this , on that fourstroke 130hp the hp ratings are different in Canada they only have a 115hp in the midrange motors ?
Great video mate, what hull is that? Looks like a mustang blue water.
Sahara 530 Used to be made by Goolwa Marine (South Australia). Sharp now have the fiberglass molds www.sharpcraftmarine.com.au/goolwacraft
Top vid mate
Thanks :)
Good info. I just finished a crankshaft up rebuild on a V4 Suzuki that cost me $500 to buy and around $500 to rebuild, (the seller threw in a complete gasket set worth $250). Labor was my cost. It’s a stormer and runs sweet. Yes, I’d love a 4 stroke but what would I get for $1000 ?
Thanks for your comment. I think the rebuild you did is probably the go. At least you had the chance to inspect everything at the time and rule out major potential issues. A two stroke can still have some serious issues like internal corrosion that is not visible. $1000 outboard would likely be a risky buy...
Excellent non-biased video I’m assuming this is Australia , it’s funny 130hp on that boat would be considered significantly under powered here in the US but it seemed to perform just fine
Thanks for your comment. Probably something to do with boats and outboards being sooooo much cheaper in the States :) . Boat is rated to a 150hp but an extra 50kg is a lot to consider going from 130 to 150 including a six cyclinder (verses four) and quite high centre of gravity. The balance is perfect
здравствуйте. что можете сказать о моторах Эвинруд Итек. Знаю что их болье не производят как они себя зарекомендовали,
I had twin 130 2 strokes on my first catamaran and 150 4 strokes on second. I currently have a 115 on a aluminum center console. Looks exactly like your 130 but 15 less hp and I’ve never seen that 130 in the US. Not burning oil is nice and better MPG’s, but hole shot on the 2 stroke is unbeatable
Thanks for your comments. Yeah, I think the F130 was something Asia Pacific? or Australia / NZ thing. Maybe we are the Ginny pigs :). Both are great motors
Using metric! 👌
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the increased fuel economy of about 25% is typical when you switch from a 2 stroke engine to a 4 stroke on the same application, It is even applicable to diesel industry, when we swap a 4 stroke diesel engine in a machinery previously powered by a 2 stroke diesel engine, when that machine is used in the same conditions, the observed fuel economy is up to 25% for the same work, in the positive side, low and mid range response is much better and top end response is a a bit less crispy. The increase costs of the maintenance are more than offsetted by the fuel cost economy. the 4 stroke outboard motors isn't new, from 1961 to 1970, The Fisher-pierce bearcat motor was a 4 stroke, in fact, it was a Crossley engine that was converted to outboard application and it developped 55 HP.
@Harrison Pett what is the link with my comment ????
I have both 150hp on a bass boat. Tried both on the same boat and i love my 2 stroke way more the only down fall is how it drinks twice as much gas at W.O.T. Besides that everthing was perfect with my two stroke!
Thanks for your comment
Great Video, I am a pro fishermen & used to run Yamaha 2 strokes but the 4 is way better on fuel economy when you spend half your run time at idle. The 2 strokes hardly ever had an issue but I have had more things go wrong on the 4 strokes, Though they are more complicated. also doing the service every 100hrs is a pain & the 1000hr service is costly Cam belt & all filters. With the right prop you can get up on the plane quick but loose the top end speed. The 4 stroke like a bigger blade area as they have more torque.
Thanks for your comments, you're spot on. 1000 hours is like 25 years of recreational fishing for me!!
Hello i'm very glad i found you that was what i,ve looking for i have a 2016 130 yamaha 2st my wife finds the fumes make her sick my motor has only done 45hrs do you think i's worth trading in. Most days we go out we only manage a 3000 rpm. great video thanks for that
Thanks for your question. Depends if you want your wife in the boat :). If you are keen on long slower trips then worth investigating how much you could get for the low hour 2 stroke and get onto a four stroke. Personal decision I guess.
@@ShortFlic Thanks for getting back to me. Yes i do want my wife with me we've been together for 40 yrs. i was tossing up whether it would be worth it now i'll investigate further
There's a lot to like about those old V4's (Pretty sure they are a copy of the old OMC's), but personally I would never go back to a 2 stroke after having a 4 stroke. Just personal preference
Yeah, those 60 degree cylinder angle (low head design) were manufactured by many outboard makers with commercial fisherman in mind, especially netting with low obstruction over back of boat
Hi..can you tell me the weight of the boat without engine? Thanks..great video!
Thanks for your question - sorry for the late reply. The boat hull is 860kgs
Yup that yamaha 130 is the motor i wanted for my 20x6 flat bottom aluminum
Its like this. If you value your money, its the 2 stroke every time. Yes it will use more fuel however the cost of purchasing looking after and replacing the modern 4 stroke with all the parts on it to make them viable will be many many thousands of dollars more than the extra fuel you will use. Think on this unless you are motoring huge distances each time you go out. Its a lor of money to spend on something that is used about 4- 20 times a year.
There is almost no difference in maintenance cost.
@@mcplutt sorry, entirely untrue. Only similar until all the moving parts and electronics in the modern 4 stroke start to fail. And they do.
@@philipmann9548 Maybe they do after 5,000 hours. So no problems.
That's complete and utter bullshit
Which size propeller do you use for the 4stroke 130
The 2 stroke was using 13-1/2 X 15 Pitch S/S. The four stroke has a 13-1/4 X 17 Pitch S/S
HOLY JESUS 56 liters per hour that’s about £85 😮😮
I have the 130 2 stroke, I start and it idles for around 5 to 10 seconds before cutting off, also blows out a lot of oil/ smoke
Probably need to clean the carburetors.
Hi Jesse, the 130hp 2S have an automatic choke that definitely adds to a rich starting (pushing key inwards before you turn), you can actually hear a click when the key is pressed just before the start. You can use the fast idle if the extra revs are needed to keep it running for a few more seconds but I have never had to do this (and I don't like reving motors stone cold) although they do tend to "puff out" on the first or second key turn, almost religiously. I would suggest making sure fuel is fresh, bulb primed and run the bugger hard and fast before putting back on trailer :). i.e Don't sit there idling for minutes back at the ramp fouling the plugs for next start..
Nice to see a comparison but you have quite a few things that you did not go over. lots of Bass Boats here in the US the props make a huge difference in hole shot and top speed. my boat is set up to run top speed with the prop set up to run wide open and not hit red line. A two stoke will always rev up faster than a four, because i fires every stroke.
Wow some interesting figures. I stuck with the standard propellers as per factory. Did not need to change (2 stroke or 4 stroke) as full revs are near max rev range 6,300 (not sure where 7500 - 12,000 comes from????). Don't think you can truly make the statement about 2 verses 4 revs. Outboards are changing and my current 2020 is same as my old 2 stoke.
Haha 9500 to 12000rpm think u have ur story mixed up mate
What size & type prop are you running on the 4 stroke? My 130 is on a similar boat with similar WOT figures. Looking for better hole shot so considering a 4 blade FX4 but dropping from 18 to 16 inch pitch. Thoughts?
Dude i want the 4 stroke yammy 130 on my 20x6 flat bottom boat i think itll be fast i want either the 130 or the 115sho but i think the 130 will be that much better
How much did you pay for yours and what part of the world are you located in??
Im from ALASKA and so far the yamaha 130s havnt made it to alaska yet
@@edwardabrahamiii3742 Hi, I'm from NZ and the 130hp, from what I understand is limited in its distribution around the world. It was made for the Australian & NZ market. I do recall seeing a youtube clip of one in South America somewhere. It's the same engine as the 115hp just uprated. It came with my boat as a package so the price was included. Nice spot Alaska, I am in Anchorage quite a lot throughout the year.
@@roughym7663 nice i havnt been down to anchorage since 2017 but i do live on the lower yukon around emmonak area get some of the best salmon in world
Are they the same basic engine that the motorbikes use? I suspect that you might be able to use one in a kit car or something similar.
No to both question and statement. You'd be better off just using an existing automotive driveline.
@@Prototheria Wouldn’t that be a case of making an adapter plate for a transmission, connecting it to a radiator, sorting out the fuel system and making new mounts?
@@chrishenniker5944 Oh yeah man, super simple when you condense it down into a single sentence. Weekend project, no prob! Get to work, champ.
The bike engines were waaaaay smaller capacity.
@@chrishenniker5944 it's not possible unless you have access to an array of heavy duty machining and milling equipment
2 strokes engines where measured wrong back in the days, they measured the hp’s on the shaft. Today it gets measured on the flywheel. Wich is more exact. That means that this “130 2 stroke” can easely be a 156 hp engine. (You lose about 20% of power in your drivertrain). My 90hp 2 stroke Suzuki 4 cyl, got 105hp when measured on the flywheel. Pretty cool😀
prior to about 1986, they were measured at the flywheel. propshaft hp came into play in 86' to keep up with the Japanese motors. Today's motors are NOT flywheel rated, as you contradicted yourself. A 130hp 2 stroke yamaha should put out about 145hp at the flywheel. Your 90hp is 90hp at the propshaft, and like you observed, 105 at the flywheel. not sure your point?
There is an error in the consumption calculation: the 2-stroke travels 1.21 km / l about 15% more, not bad. Furthermore, the state of the water is different in the two tests and this affected the 2-stroke.
Hi, thanks for your comment. Not sure what you mean about error? At WOT the 2 stroke is only doing 0.82km/l (820mtrs) and the four stroke at about same revs is doing 1.47km/l. Based on my recollection, when the 2 stroke is doing 1.21km/l , the revs would be about 5,000rpm (probably 62km/hr). The four at this rpm would be doing about 2.4km/l and maybe 55km/hr. Hope this make sense
were the engines on the same type of boat to do the comparison
I did the video of my old 2 stroke on my boat, then upgraded to 4 stroke on same boat. Video was edited to go back n forth.
Pardon my language, but two-stroke sounds meaner than hell! My dad has a 115 two stroke, it will get on down the water
Is the result the same with other brands aswell?
I believe the results (acceleration / fuel / Speed) would be fairly similar
do you think that the 130 4S would work on my 6.2 rib?
Hey, thanks for the question. Not sure what rib means but if your boat is not massively heavy then yes. What outboard is boat rated too?
@@ShortFlic RIB= Rigid Inflatable Boat. Generic term for Zodiac and similar boats.
At 3:11 how can you end up with an km/L lower than 1 with your kph being higher than your L/h? Think you made a calculation error there.
Hi, thanks for your question. Certainly not an error in calculations. At WOT most 2 strokes over 115hp would do less than one kilometre per litre!! (mine was 820m per litre). That's at full throttle (6,00rpm). Just a slight reduction in rpm, the fuel is far better i.e At 5,300rpm I would get about 1.5km/litre.
To bad there was no 130 yamaha here in Alaska i went with merc 150 4 stroke
What prop is on the 4 stroke?
Hi, the prop is 13-1/2 X 17". Probably could be a tad less pitch with max RPM being 5800
@@ShortFlic thanks mate. Have just repowered from 140v4 yamaha to the f130. Still yet to water test but trying the 16" for max rpm.
I have a 07 Yamaha 115 2 stroke i take very good care of so i can't last until i die
The 2 stroke is 165 kg and +the oil system.
My motor was 130BETOX 169kg.
A good overview of how 4 strokes have been catching up to two strokes over the last few years.
Cheers. Got a Go Pro now...would have been so much better than the 1995 camera I used for this video.
Seems I will keep my Mercury 125hp 2-stroke..
A direct injected 2 cycle doesnt smoke and its better on fuel compared to a carb 2 stroke. 4 strokes are heavy and money pits
even carb oil injection works well :) the direct injection can be great but when stuff gets clogged up sensor wise, she likes to blow up. Carb oil injection is ideal with a minor cost to extra fuel usage. In the jet ski world, 4 strokes MURDER fuel, 2 strokes are still better on fuel mainly due to their light weight. Some recent models now aim to be fuel efficient despite fuel injection, plastic hulls etc, still 2 smoke baby :)
Of course it smokes, but not at the same level. 4-stroke are not heavy. This is in 2021 and most 4-strokes are lighter.
@@mcplutt the direct injected motors do not smoke I repair them for a living. They have a cleaner emissions than the 4 strokes. Also there is about 100 lbs difference in a 130hp. 2 cycles are cheaper by a long shot. It’s a market driven product and consumers want 4 cycles that’s why 2 cycles are gone. A new 130 4 stroke is over 12 grand, and salt water eats them up. The motors don’t have the same alloys like they did in the 90’s I have replaced steering shafts on a Yamaha that was 4 years old.due to corrosion
@@brucecalvert3887 I had an E-tec 50, it smoked a little :-) After all it burns the oil. The 4-stroke F130 weighs just about the same as the 2-stroke 130 @ 370-380 lbs. But I will stick to the Mercury 4-strokes.
@@mcplutt the Mercury 4 stroke is a Yamaha. Painted black
4 stroke please.
We call the 130hp Yamaha 1 Thursty! Power is good
How reliable are these Yamaha 4 strokes compared to my 64 year old engine for example.. I’m looking for fuel ⛽️ but most importantly reliable when my family is on board..
Hi Dan, good question with so much crap online, usually due to biased opinions. I never had any issues with any of the three Yamaha 2 strokes over the past 30 years (had to get different sizes). Four strokes these days are basically marinised car engines and it's probably fair to say any US or Japanese build motor will be extremely reliable providing you maintain it (mainly oil change and salt / corrosion protection). Before you assume it's made in one of these respectable "engineering countries" check the made in XXX tag. I found a few brands like Honda being made offshore (Anaconda..). Most catastrophic failures are due to inexperienced morons with more money than brains. Both 2 strokes & 4 strokes should really be the same reliability. The old two stroke has few moving parts but perhaps not the technology and the opposite for the latest fours. Make the switch, you'll have less sick family members from fumes :)
How reliable is your car engine?
I like turbo diesel 2 stroke outboard
They are interesting but not so sure they are for light applications. Definitely more coming onto the market
do you selling the 130 2skroke
I traded the old motor in and only got $2,500 for it :). It did go to a nice home though, a farmer picked it up from the dealer so he will enjoy it.
Sorry to the folks who liked my post before, I was just notified of one of their likes I watched the clip again and noticed something I didn't notice before, the 2 stroke was turning 6000rpm, it's over revving.. The 2 stroke 130 should be spinning 5500-5700rpm. Since 1 inch of pitch means about 200 rpm that would also increase top speed several kph. That 4 stroke is NOT something I'd have on my boat, the 2 stroke is, by far the better motor as the way that thing jumped when opened up, the 4 stroke seemed to take forever to accelerate. The 2 stroke, even with 320hrs was running far stronger. No comparison
Hi Dominick, thanks for your comments. Just to clarify, the 130hp 2 stroke (130BETOX) and 130hp 4 stroke (F130XA) have the same maximum operating rev range being 5300 - 6300 rpm. The 2 stroke propeller was perfectly matched - it never reached over revving. The current 4 stroke is a tiny bit over pitched although being so new it is still slowly climbing towards it's max rpm at WOT. Since this video it gets up to 5900 rpm (73km/hr). I see many comments about how slow (acceleration) the 4 stroke is, however it's not much different, the bark of the 2 stroke makes it sound as though it's instant speed but in reality the four stroke has a much higher pitch propeller and heaps quieter achieving a close second. I am going to do another video, this time high resolution video (now I have a go-pro) of the four and maybe it will change some minds. I will call it "ShortFlic's F130XA" Keep an eye out next week. Cheers
@@ShortFlic No the operating range for the 130hp V4 Yamaha is 5000-6000rpm. I know because I own one and have the service manuals where it states it. Its easy to tell by the video that the 2 stroke is under propped.
@@ShortFlic @ShortFlic cool stuff, since you know your motor better than I do I'm not gonna run my mouth. The V-4 2stroke 130 is very close to the evinrude 99CID V-4 115 which I had on my little 17ft cobia closed bow runabout and that little thing ran 49mph at 5700rpm, which according to my friend who rebuilt it for me was the max rpm. I didn't realize the V-4 Yamaha is rated to turn 6000rpm wide open. That thing ran real strong and IMO the 4 stroke ain't in the same Universe as the 2stroke. Best of luck whatever you choose to run for the long term.
I smoke 4 strokes not even trying. I mainly fish but on a race back to the ramp being chased by rain here in Florida i blow by 4 stroke 225 h.p & even 250 h.p. i have 225 suzuki 2 stroke & an old heavy boat Max speed 52 mph. Hole shot from hell
Nice, another speed demon. Maybe those other boaties are just old fart drivers? Ha ha, Suzuki is another top Japanese brand. Still you gotta love the DF225 Four Stroke, it's a masterpiece.
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I still love 2stroke
I’ll never own a 4 stroke 2 stroke til I die
Never say never. I said the same thing when I was 30. Now I'm 50 and looking for economy :)
4 stroke joke, 2 stroke holy smoke
@@roxyoyagak4548 yep, sad they are getting banned in my country, now u can only own one if ur boat had a 2stroke motor on before the law was activated, my old 2 stroke sadly broke and I bought a 4 stroke so I no longer have a 2 stroke motor anymore :/
@@ShortFlic idc about economy too much I love that punch of power a 2 stroke gives you and the sound is second to none
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A boat with a 2 Stroke will be across the Lake and back before the 4 Stroke gets on Plane
2 strokes better and faster
Better in what way? Better fuel consumption, better noise, better smell ?
only 9 liters of gas between the two. im gonna keep my two stroke
The 2stroke can handle higher pitch....
Hi mate nice video about the 4 stroke weight you say its 186kg ive done a little research and found its only 172kg
Actually, just checked again and it's 178kg dry (being the X shaft type). Good pick up, thks
Why dont you tilt engine out for more speed ?
Hey, thanks for the comment. Interesting you picked that up - I thought the same thing when I first ran my 4 stroke, it really doesn't not like the high trim like the 2 stroke. The outboard seems to almost flat where as my 2 stroke would be much higher. I have tested fuel economy and speed verses trim many many times and they are just very different.
What the heck is kilometer?
0.621 Miles or 39,370 inches. :)
Kilometer is the world wide standard for distance. However most of the boating world uses knots and nautical miles.
Looks like brisbane
South Australia
Please don’t scrap the 2 stroke motor
Yeah, burn every 2 strokes vs every 4 strokes, so twice the burn, but I assume much smaller bore ?
Both 1.8l engines
Almost the same bore & stroke in both motors. Basically 2 strokes use more fuel due to twice fuel/fire cycle but better punch (as seen).
2 stroke brahhhh
Mantena blok v...1.3..
Two stroke wins , most of time it consume 20% more but: - cheeaper to buy- 50% , cheeaper to maintain , you can do it if you have mecanic skills or ask a friend, 4 stroke have electronics , after 200 h have a lot off errors and go in limp mode.. 4 Stroke it is good for 1000 h/ year use and comercial.
Thanks for watching my video and comments. Now my 4 stroke has settled in and I've done about 500km the fuel saving is half (my old two stroke used twice as much fuel..) Price difference is about 30% - 40% cheaper
I've never read such crap in all my life
two stroke will beat a equal 4 stroke every time
4 stroke extra torque down low dont thinks so 2 stroke has way more torque why do you think it can get a quick hole shot
Thanks for watching my video. 2 strokes can spin up rpm much quicker due to their twin stoke fire cycle (and also have less pitch on prop).
Try propping the 4 stroke correctly. You're short 500rpm
Yeah, could do with a minor prop change although its done 100 hours now and its opened up a bit. Can get about 5900rpm
& 4 stroke had smoother waters! & lost. 2 stroke power curve is better than 4 strokes..
Oh yeah.
5:52 What ? By a quick calculation, they eat 58 and 37 liter for 100 km ! I will leave my old car ! (8.5 l for 100 km) Maybe i'm not used to see so big consumption and maybe a outbourd consumes a lot but these numbers made me fall on my ass !
If the water was flat & solid and boats had wheels then things would be different, but then the propeller part wouldn't work. :). Yeah, boats are terrible for economy but who cares when you are 10km offshore with a couple mates catching south bluefin tuna.
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A two stroke may have less parts but reliability is questionable for example the conrod needle bearings have been known to catastrophic collapse. This two stroke rattle is not what you want to hear.
As opposed to valves And timing chains? Four stroke still have bearing that blow Up too
I'm sure some new outboards have variable valve timing to improve low end torque and high end power. Having said that, more moving parts...
@@vlogcity1111 Most four stroke engines have a one piece crankshaft and use slipper white metal bearings which are oil pressure fed. The reliability of slipper bearing is very high, they always last the life of the engine. With tens of millions of modern four stroke engines in service slipper bearing failure is less likely than the odds to winning a national lottery.
@@AquaMarine1000 I agree with the mechanical aspect. There’s a reason you didn’t address valves because that’s a huge weak point. Most high quality precision bearings will last the life of an engine, valves however can go pop at anytime without notice. Usually a con rod or crankshaft bearing will give you a noise when it starts to go, whereas valves can shatter or melt without and pre warning. Yes that can happen on a two stroke but not as frequently.
@@vlogcity1111 Some two strokes like the Detroit diesel do have exhaust valves. No engine is unbreakable especially if it is not maintained or operated beyond it design parameters. Two stroke engine production has now been relegated to history. Cheers