Is there such a thing as "American Jiu-Jitsu"? A term that divides opinion, the USA and Brazil's best grapplers and coaches speak on this polarizing topic.
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I'm Brazilian, and at least here, all the people I know just call it Jiu Jitsu. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu became synonym when it migrate to the world but it's the least important aspect of the art. The more contribution the better.
It does help differentiate between the OG jiu jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
@@user-tr8kr1jd2o why?
Osss
@@andrealcantara1437 because they are two different martial arts in many ways
Boa irmão! Raro ver algum br sem esse pensamento conservador e burro de "SÓ BRASILEIRO É BOM DE JIUJITSU, TODO GRINGO É RUIM, CHAVE DE PÉ É COISA DE QUEM NÃO TEM TÉCNICA E JIUJITSU SÓ É DE KIMONO". Jiujitsu é pra todos!
Just call it Jiu Jitsu. Drop any national name.
Yep, no need for it, just branding.
Literally either drop the nationality or everyone calls it their own nationality. Ex. Chinese JJ, Australian JJ, Canadian JJ which would confuse everyfuckingbody
it is just a team name basically.
We´ve gone full circle.
America isn't a nation. It's two continents. Brazil is in America as well.
Let’s just call it “angry yoga”. There fixed it.
LMAO
'involuntary yoga'
Waryoga
Nah this is gjj everyone else is fronting or ignorant
@@cro_magnum that’s the hardest name. You should start a gym and patent that shit
Reid: "This 'American Jiu Jitsu' buzzword that you've been reading online lately:" Also Reid: The only person on the planet that's trying to make 'American Jiu Jitsu' a thing online lately
Exactly
Whenever I think "American jiu-jitsu " I think of a jiu-jitsu practioner with good wrestling and a knack for attacking the legs. It's just a sub genre of jiu-jitsu. Not trying to replace the "Brazilian jiu-jitsu " name just acknowledging there's slight differences in style between Americans and Brazilians when it comes to technique.
@@vids595 facts
@Bernie that also lol
wrestling in what way? Because I see BJJ fighters also use wrestling and grappling techniques.
NO GI, Leg Locks, Wrestling = American JJ for sure they're all just being sore losers about it
@@rabbitazteca23 wrestling in the sense we have far more wrestlers transition to bjj, in turn bringing with them traditional wrestling moves. Power half Nelson, for example.
every now and then i come back to this video whenever i feel the need to lose brain cells
Next up: Keenan starts calling it "american kissing", since not only the french use their tounge
HAHAHAAH
Just call it submission grappling, and then you can have specific styles just like boxing has “European style boxing” and “Mexican style boxing”.
Right, another benefit of that is the name actually offers a description of what you are doing. When people here BJJ half the time they think of a Brazilian Waxing.
@@Joecool20147 When people hear “Jiu Jitsu”, they think we’re chopping wooden boards like traditional martial arts
Matthew Fon Matthew Fon exactly, Honestly at this point I lean into that as a joke. Whenever I talk about BJJ to my friends or family I mimic like I am doing Karate. Mike from Hard to Hurt said it best “The biggest benefit of Karate is that when you tell people you do it the conversations is over and you don’t questions like “O Karate, is that like Karate?””
@@Joecool20147 I´m sick and tired of the "Blow Job Jutsu" or "Jew-Jitsu" jokes in every comment thread as well, lol. A more encompassing name really suits what BJJ has become, specially regarding No Gi. Mixed Grappling could be a good name too
Daniel Montilla Mixed Grappling could work. I’d say just call it Grappling as long as you do indeed focus on all forms of Grappling, and wouldn’t get totally embarrassed if an average wrestler came in to test it out.
It's an American identity. They took BJJ lifestyle, techniques and philosophy and made it their own. I would vouch for that. I'm from Alberta, Canada and I train in a Canadian gym so I can say my jiu jitsu is Canadian. Brazilians shouldn't be upset by it since Helio learned from a Japanese jiu jitsu practitioner.
Yes, but Hélio and the rest of Brazilian change many things even an international Federation
Hélio aprendeu um tipo de jiu jitsu primitivo que se parecia mais com o judô e o modificou tornando uma luta exclusivamente de chão, por isso o nome jiu jitsu brasileiro
I think American JJ is 10th Planet JJ! Eddie Bravo (an American) actually created a new form of JJ. Guys c'mon, give the man his props!
It seems like a couple styles that might be considered "American" Jiu Jitsu would be the prevalence of leglocks and no gi from influences like Danaher/Ryan/Eddie Bravo etc. but also maybe some of the heavy wrestling influence that we have in the US in schools growing up. Not to say that you can't find these characteristics in other regions of the world, but I think anywhere you find Jiu Jitsu or Kickboxing or any sort of martial art, you'll likely always find certain regional factors that affect the style. They're more of subcultures of the same art rather than different arts I think
"It's just a name." As one guy have said: "Why don't you change your name to Mandy? That's just a name also." Why do americans have this "Americanize everything" mentality. Please stop that nonsense. Call it Jiu Jitsu and enjoy the game.
Perfect comment
America!!! 🇺🇸
Hey sunshine,play your sad violine to brasilians. They are the one who started to apropriate japanese martial art and name it "brasilian". Hypocrite
I've always thought American Jiujitsu was just very competitive Jiujitsu on steroids.
@@Jessie_James850BJJ is a completely different system from JJ
Xande" Still can't pass my guard , cant submit me for shit"---- how about Marcelo Garcia?
he's talking about "americans", marcelo its brazilian aswell
Stopped it at "American jiu-jitsu is the evolution of jiu-jitsu itself" That's hilarious... Jiu-jitsu is always evolving, and it knows no bounds as we are all learning it together and evolving it no matter what country you're in
I was going to write just that, thank you
If you've ever used the term BJJ than you're a straight hypocrite (Which we all know you have) because it's just Japanese Jiu Jitsu with a Brazilian twist. Remind me again what country started the No Gi JJ and what country put leg locks on the map and what country dominates Jiu Jitsu today? Of course which particular country something is irrelevant at the end of the day because any other human can learn the same stuff but credit is due where it's due.
@@hanniballectormd5569 Let me take one guess... You're American So called... "American jiu-jitsu" is nothing without "BJJ" which is nothing without "Japanese jiu-jitsu"... It's evolving internationally, sir With the blessing of the internets, we're all learning Jiu-jitsu together
You should watch the rest of it otherwise you don't have a real opinion here.
@@hanniballectormd5569 "no gi JJ" is Brazilian luta livre, aka catch wrestling, so in a roundabout way, you're right. BJJ isn't Japanese Jiu Jitsu, it's Kodokan Judo. Mitsuya Maeda, Geo Omori, Masahiko Kimura, Isao Okano, etc. were all Kodokan Judoka, and all the early ones were also pro wrestlers.
10 minutes in an I've heard Keenan say the exact same lines 4 times. What a way to recycle clips
Jake shields was saying this decades ago
CJJ - Chinese Jiu Jitsu. Done, I am trade marking this one.
its wu-shu.
British jiu jitsu coming soon.
" do you practice BJJ or BJJ? "
@@dalirkosimov4623 depends on the accent lol
Xande" Still can't pass my guard , cant submit me for shit" OG right there
Heath Pedigo give it to you in the raw! Straight up no chaser💯 Love it!
Both American and Brazilian jiu jitsu must bow down to a good old fashion Russian slap fight
The way I see it Japanese brought it to Brazil Brazil improve it Brazilian brought it to America America improve it So its still jiu jitsu
How did America improve it? As far as I know, Brazilians are still winning the most important championships... However, I agree that its just Jiu-Jitsu, but we cannot deny that Brazilians still dominate this sport
@@thiagobritto6282 what Brazilians are winning “the most important” tournaments? Gordon Ryan won ADCC absolute and 99kg last year.
@@Hydra9k if u watch the rankings 20-21 (ibjjf), the first 10 males are brazilian, the same as female ranking, and you are talking about one dude. And the adcc champions 6 of 8 categories the brazilian athletes won the first place. (gordon got 2 categories by himself). So, brazilian athlete still dominates the whole shit.
@@thiagobritto6282 FALSE
I would love to see a team of the best of Brazilian black belts vs best of the best American black belts.
Hard to believe the evolution of the sport. In the mid 90’s, if you dared to open up a jiu Jitsu academy, good chance it would be ripped apart by the nearest Gracie school. And if you were lucky enough to be a student of a school, everything was behind closed doors, nobody absolutely nobody except students allowed. I started in a garage with half ass mats. There were no nearby schools.
American capoeira, American pão de queijo, American caipirinha, American brigadeiro. Só falta
Americano tem esse costume imperialista de querer possuir tudo, ou agir como se criariam algo, breve vão dizer que o Muay Thai foi criado lá, Se o professor desses idiotas certamente não é brasileiro, mas o mestre do mestre deles era um, mas pra eles é meio difícil ver algo de fora ser maior do que oque eles praticam, como mesmo uma fala do vídeo foi dita” não represento o Brasil” é mais sobre ego do que tudo.
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I see American Jiu Jitsu as the inevitable fusing of American Wrestling and BJJ which will become the gold standard in the next generation of grapplers who focus mainly on sport BJJ.
Excellent analogy bro! 🤙🏾
There is no American JJ ,all bjj should be a fusion of judo wrestling and groundwork
@@scarred10 there is no BJJ. It's simply extended newaza
Sports are all about cycles. The butt-scooting/guard-pulling, points-oriented meta has really worn off, it was the ideal status quo for lazy asses who avoided doing stand up grappling at the gym and for the less physically gifted people, but is time to move on
@@danielmontilla1197 True butt scooting and guard pulling/slower paced matches are a product of the gi (not bashing the gi I prefer gi over no gi) but with no gi's rise in popularity we are gonna see a lot of wrestling inspired stand-up since no gi and wrestling are very similar and have a ton of cross over.
As someone outside of ju jitsu, just seems like a shitty branding attempt to draw in americans who base their entire identity around the country they happened to get born in
Imagine Ramon Dekkers calling 'Muay Thai' 'Muay Netherlands' LOL
Uhhh, they call it Dutch Kickboxing. In Brazil they call it Chute Boxe.
@@IowaRonin bingo
@@IowaRonin chute boxe is a gym , not a martial art smart guy
@@BrunoSirilo It's simply two Portuguese words that translate to "kickboxing". We're talking about language. Muay Thai is just "Thai boxing". There is such things as: Japanese kickboxing American Kickboxing Lethwei (Burmese kickboxing) aka Bando kickboxing Sanshou (Chinese kickboxing) Savate (French kickboxing) Adithada (Indian kickboxing) Yaw-Yan (Filipino kickboxing) Gwon-gyokdo (Korean kickboxing) Pradal Serey (Cambodian) and on and on and on...
@@IowaRonin I'm brazilian and i know what chute boxe means. but chute boxe never claimed to be a martial art itself like u meant in your first comment. even in the logo it says ACADEMIA CHUTE BOXE - Muai Thai and Jiu Jitsu
I give respect where it’s due. I began training from watching Brazilians in the first UFC’s. I trained over a decade under a prominent Brazilian. Of course it’s going to flourish in the US better. We have resources we have wrestling. I will always show respect to the lineage and the importations Brazilian put in my life and keep the name Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Not only my previous point - but our sport is being dominated by sexual harassment claims and here is FloGrappling disputing the name. Class work chaps.
HJJ? Harassment Jiu Jitsu? Shuahs
They see 3 comments and Flo make a while documentary on it... That's what I subscribe for!
Love this content!
Love John Combs opinions, good perspective!
Great work Flo!!!!
noone calls jiu jitsu "BJJ" in Brasil.. both terms are pretty silly
I'm still wondering why there wasn't Russian Jiu Jitsu, or Soviet Jiu Jitsu... )) Right? Personally, I love term grappling. ADCC in my opinion is doing it the right way, the only way it's going to gather all the wrestlers, jitsers, judokas, and sambists to grapple together, and stop dick-measuring
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Yeah, but there's Korean judo, Mongolian judo, etc. When the Russians start doing their own style or adding their twist on things, there will be a Russian jiu jitsu
If it was submission only I think that Gordon would submit anyone
@@AdarnThornasMoran скажи?! )
Engraçado um lutador de AJJ no campeonato da IBJJ - International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation.
The only one that can claim American jujitsu. Is Eddie Bravo and his 10th planet. They came up with their own style, they have their own moves the schools are not like anybody else's. And everybody else is doing the Brazilian jiu jitsu that was taught to them.
Best quotes I hear from this is that at the end of the day it's just Jiu-Jitsu.
Not enough eddie bravo, the guy who made the matt hughs vs royce comment was on point, this "movie" is a bit clippy. You guys do a pod cast, do some narration over match footage or something
There is no such a thing as an American jiu jitsu they are being taught on Brazilian jiu jitsu , everyone in the world bowed to the "Arte Suave" !
"They still can't pass my guard, they can't submit me for shit..." -Xande Okay lets see you against Gordon Ryan please.
Let's see Gordon against Roger Gracie, please?
@@MirNovichok Roger's ten years behind Gordon. He dominated a decade ago, too much has changed.
That match happened at ADCC and Gordon squeaked by with a ref decision because he could not pass his guard or submit him
Preguiça owns...
@@juliorivera8667 That was four years ago. Gordon's game is drastically different, while Xande is practically identical.
Hélio Gracie está se revirando no túmulo com esse vídeo
ah pelo amor de deus...os próprios Gracies expandiram a arte pro estrangeiro, se orgulham disso e lá vem o jiujiteiro mimimi reclamando...
Can we all give massive respect to the japanese for inventing these moves especially the samari where alot of these move originated
yeah Martial Arts (unlike other fighting styles in Europe maybe?) did not just see Martial Arts as something for self-defense or to kill or whatever. It was a way of life that and that's why it was called an Art. Many of the stances and forms have meaning.
A lot of those moves existed in another places, and much more they are older.
I can't wait for the sequel
A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet...
The short answer can be found at 20:35 onwards
Double Karate chops > Jiujitsu
pretty bold to call this a movie lol
Lmao the Brazilians are furiously coping in the comments.
Until a distinct set of new techniques are developed in the US, to be a point of difference, it should only be BJJ. I did Japanese JJ for 5 years and recently started BJJ. JJJ is very different and has some cross overs into Aikido. There is some ground work in JJJ, but the aim is to stay on your feet where possible, due to the obvious disadvantage of being on the floor on a battlefield. A Samurai technique was to try to break your little fingers, because you can’t use a sword, grab or punch. As far as I know these techniques are banned in BJJ. My point is there is a big enough difference between BJJ and JJJ to justify a different name.
Or call it traditional judo
Awesome doc
“Submission grappling” there you’re done
It’s evolving in America. The same way JJJ evolved in Brazil and became BJJ. What’s the controversy? This happens with every martial art/combat style. Different cultures add different things and it changes
Exactly, isnt 10th planet a very good example of AJJ? JJ continues to evolve, it didn't somehow stop with the Brazilians. America is vast becoming the global hub for JJ and Brazil is declining.
Bjj is very different fromm jj ...."ajj" is the same as bjj
@@azido2 this. AJJ and BJJ are "indirectly" related. BJJ did not spawn from JJJ, rather, both were created by modifying another martial arts called "Kodokan Judo". Also AJJ is more suitable for street-fights since many of its teachings including chokeholds are not allowed in the ring. BJJ is made for the ring and as a sport. AJJ is just the bootleg version of BJJ HAAAHAAHAHAHA.
I rewatched that pass Orlando hit like 5 times, so nice
@14:20 I remember Gracie trying to credit Hugh's win to GJJ and Matt's reply was "bologna, that was pure Amdrican Wrestling that got the job done" I thought matt was being disrespectful at the time but now I think otherwise.
Jiu jitsu is just jiu jitsu!! Just let it be what it is in appreciate the art
Do y'all not understand that Brazilians live in America too? Nobody is calling it USJJ. We'd call it Iowan Jiu-Jitsu or Texan Jiu-Jitsu if we wanted to make it more specific. Then again, each school/gym gives it their own name. Forget preserving Japanese or Brazilian tradition and culture in the USA. We make things uniquely our own.
the thing is: you guys didn't do anything unique. jiu jitsu there is the same jiu jitsu from any country in the world.
@@tiocroc4814 Takedowns and sweeps. American Freestyle wrestlers definitely bring a unique look to the sport. Keenan's lapel shit - worm guard 10th planet - rubber guard I could add more, but why? You might just be in denial.
@@IowaRonin all of that was already in jiu jitsu and judo. Just watch old footage of jiu jotsu you’ll find all of thise things. And europeans also added wrestling element to jiu jitsu, should we also create european jiu jitsu?? Lol
@@tiocroc4814 Create? No need. It's already a thing. The judo men who traveled to Europe and North America in the early 1900s picked up tons of new stuff before it even made it to Brazil. European and Amercan Jujutsu pre-exist BrazilianJJ.
@@IowaRonin you clearly dont know what jiu jitsu is then
If americans utilise their heavy wrestling culture to make butt-scooting/guard pulling obselete, then im all for american jiujitsu.
Exactly! We all know how influential American athletes and coaches are in the international scene, if those guys manage to impose a more combat effective, takedown-submission oriented style then "AJJ" is more than welcome
Why should anyone care about nomenclature? It is all submission grappling in the end, and if American athletes/coaches want to emphasize wrestling and physical toughness over the guard-pulling, ass-dragging, points-based ethos preferred in other regions then god bless.
@octanb Yes, but Judo and BJJ have different institutions, training practices, rule-sets and competitions. They are different sports with unique cultures, albeit with a shared history. It would be like saying 'Mexicans and Spaniards are the same' just because they both speak spanish.
@octanb That is also not correct. Judo and BJJ have a common ancestor: Jujutsu (traditional japanese Jiu-jitsu). When Maeda came to Brazil, that's what he taught Carlos and Hélio Gracie. So, to stay with the language metaphors, it's more like Jujutsu is Latin, Judo is spanish and BJJ is portuguese. They might look the same, for untrained ears, but their rules, structures and flow are completely different.
@@Leitefsj Maeda taught judo but had to call it jiu jitsu cause it was forbidden to teach foreigners judo
I practice Peruvian Jiu-Jitsu, so there!
Okay okay what made Gracie Jujitsu unique was the teaching methods, the Gracie's are the best teachers
Do you know how they call Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in Brasil? Jiu-jitsu. The name doesn't matter.
Jogo Jiu-Jitsu (IBJJF) versus Defesa Jiu-Jitsu
Are the Brazilians saying that the Japanese never grappled? Or the Romans and Greeks? Or a vast host of humanity hasn't grappled and these techniques that have been around for thousands of years? What we do is called grappling and it is human. It doesn't belong to any nationality. And while it would be impossible to pin-point who came up with what moves first it really doesn't matter. We only care about who does it the best right now!
The comment made at 6:10 is exactly what everyone needs to follow. Petty divisiveness is common, and expected, and pretty much the entire history of every martial art and other human endeavour eventually succumbs to this. We will start to evolve as a species when more than 5% of the human population realizes this and seeks to avoid it happening. Unfortunately short sighted goals will inevitably lead to the same pattern as has happened with previous initiatives. Additionally, chasing money prevents most of us from making good long-term decisions about the care of something we are involved with, in this case jiujitsu, so as the sport gets more money-oriented this will likely obscure the situation further. As soon as you begin to hear the “us versus them“ theme that is the beginning of the inevitable demise of the purity of something. Now is the critical time for the leaders of the jiujitsu world to come together and get rid of this divisiveness. See it for the problem it is, and fix it. Probably won't happen, as is the reason we have umpteen number of associations, leagues, organizations and federations. But let's just call it jiu jitsu and take all the country stuff out. It’s no longer Brazilian. Thank you kindly and greatly to those that did innovate and bring it to the world, but there comes a point of necessary detachment, and we're at that stage now. I think it is important to recognize roots, and to honour them. A couple of Brazilian families started all this (well, one, but you know..then it branched). Rickson's book "Breath" gives a bit of a blurb on why it's no longer called Gracie JJ. The priority here is for humanity to come together and make progress, together. Anything short of that is a failing on the part of whoever decides to be divisive. No exceptions. Failure.
Gotta love Eddie. Legit OG of the sport.
Why is Flograppling so concerned about this fake dilema?
in the end, call it whatever you like, it's still jutaijutsu
Do you think it has anything to do with the wrestling background,culture, and unwillingness to wear a gi and all the sleeve, pants,and collar grabs?
The American side is responsible for the huge rise in the sport's popularity and worldwide appeal - be thankful. If we wait for the Brazilians to lead the way into the future, the scope and potential for growth is lost while they squabble over "mucho macho" nonsense.
Well said Keeenan
I'll write down here as Brazilians that I'm, we need more challenges and other types of Jiu-Jitsu will help to demonstrate to the world that Jiu-Jitsu has a lot of diversification.
Thanks for taking in count the whole continent
Do Brazilians steal credit from the Japanese?
No, the Gracie Family improved it (A LOT!) and created the style we know today.
@@lacrivellari really? name one thing that wasn't part of Ju-Jitsu (Kodokan and Kosen) :) And, by the way, if you didn't know Ju-jitsu became Ju-do by changing just one letter in the name (gentle art became gentle way). Basically remarketing, everything else remained the same )
Yeah they do
@@BGvideo gotta see more movies about the creation of BJJ bro. But I do respect your opinion
@@lacrivellari no problem brother! You might like some of the clips Chadi makes. Search him here on YT
What has American contributed to Jiu-Jitsu that BJJ does not utilize? Can someone kindly list them? Because I tried searching and I got generic things like "wrestling." To be honest, i don't mind American JJ, BUT are the contributions to the art significant enough? I don't think so.
i like how jeff glover puts it out. Mixed Grappling Arts.
As an American I don’t care American Brazilian what you call it, but it’s hilarious seeing everyone get mad over American Jiu jitsu so I respect it
Robert All that Studying you did for your book and to come out and say Americans having created or added anything to jiu-jitsu is nonsense. Btw my patriotism shows up 💯 in every action I do.
This reminds me of the struggles Bruce Lee had with bringing Kung Fu to America.
It feels like if we want an AJJ distinction we would be in a weird spot as IBJJF which requires belt holders to trace lineages to The Gracies. Like on one level we want to be distinct and say “we’re a new thing” but then when we compete we say no bro I’m under Helio just like you!
I teach mexican kung fu...african jujitsu...and Japanese tae kwon do...along w a mixture of Jamaican Stick Fighting from the phillipines
Honestly by now you could truly argue that Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is American Jiu-jitsu because like it was born in Brazil but it really blew up after it got here to the USA and UFC 1 and the Gracie challenge over in the garages and dojos here in America
Funny in Brazil nobody calls Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, only calls Jiu Jitsu
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The only thing i think is really stupid is when people say it should be american jiu jitsu bc the industry and the events are in USA and not in Brazil. I mean, this is a economic discussion, not a sport discussion. 1 real (brazilian money) is about 5 dollars today, things are way cheaper in USA.
Canadian Jiu Jitsu we wear plad jackets
We either attach every nationality to jiu jitsu based on where you’re from. Or it’s just fucking jiu jitsu there should be no middle ground.
To me its always jiujitsu because it's universal but to respect the origins of the art I'll always call it Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu no hate just the way I feel
Xande makes a great point... His Jui jitsu has been the same for years. They still cant pass his guard or sub🤷♂️
As far as I know, these martial arts originates from china, Japanese travelers brought martial arts to japan. A Japanese named Maeda came to the U.S. en then to brazil, teaching his art to Brazilians, who were immigrants from Scotland. Then it came to the U.S. again and around the world.
Brazilians are salty and want Americans to remember the history... yet they never want to give credit to Japanese Jiujitsu and JUDO. smh
I'm new to jiu-Jitsu and have fallen in love with the art. But like everything else. Culture and tribalism can cause issues. In any case, the respect for the art and it's evolutions will always win.
ajj.... so next week it's gonna be american soccer, american ballet, american curling... so patriotic.
From Europe this looks petty and silly. There are just techniques and rule sets. Call it whatever you want, drop the goddamn phone and go choke someone or twist some joints.
I call it a true blessing and disguise I went from living a drug lifestyle to a Jiu-Jitsu lifestyle
🤔 Quick trivia. Which American Team was first American Team to bring home gold???
Keenan looked like that bro hug was painful for him at 15:39 lol
It's an evolution just like Brazilian was from the original JJ ... Just the intersection of wrestling and JJ is something new.
The hypocrocy of bjj people to point out that Americans are taking credit for these old Japanese techniques that some date back nearly a thousand years roughly. When in fact the Brazilians act like they invented any moves at all when they didn't. All they did was practice newaza judo moves more and mainly focus on them when judo focused on nagewaza (stand up grappling ie mainly throws, trips,sweeps, single leg takedowns, double legs, and body takedowns)!! The Brazilians have way to much pride in moves they didn't even create!!
Len Lanius wrote "American Jiu Jitsu" in 1922. Carlos (then 17 years old) had just started passing on Maeda's teachings to his brothers at this time. and In 1931, S.J. Jorgensen wrote a book called "American Jiu-Jitsu". In 1937 he wrote "American Police Jiu-Jitsu". and The book "Edward L. Allen's system of American Jiu-Jitsu" was written in 1941 - doing this shit in suits a decade before Hélio fought Kimura. LMFAO