Despite the unblemishing praise from all over, Forza Horizon 5 isn't as good and great as it seems, espeically in 2023. It has gigantic flaws, ones that destroy and crumble it's fun. It's such a vast game, but with such little depth. Playground games sure knows how to make a technical marvel, but are clueless on how to make a good, game. This is my video essay on Forza Horizon 5.
This is NOT a review for forza horizon 5 (FH5).
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(My voice sounds a bit different this video as I had a pretty bad cold while recording, so I couldn't raise my voice much while recording.)
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About FH5's starter cars, the car you pick doesn't matter because the game gives you all three anyway
Literally I remember when the game first came out I’m pretty sure on like the third week they gave the jesko for free to all players 😂the most powerful car in game at that time and they just gave it to everyone as a sorry for the game being buggy on launch 😂😂
yeah, i remember thinking which one to pick and then i got all of them anyways. Completely agree with this video, fh4 was fun, the progression was much harder. also in fh5 premuim you get to pick ay autoshow car for free. i got the amg one cover car within an hour!
the fact that he didn' tmention this makes me wonder if he played F5 at all!
I got the Bugatti 2 mins playing 😳
as far as im aware, it doesnt matter what car you pick in the game at all, you can tune them all to be as fast as one another
Another reason why it feels boring is the road design. They go out of their way to make roads easy to drive on, not just by making them very wide, but also employing a variety of other techniques. For instance all curves are circle arcs, there's never a curve you can't see because of a bump, there's always some banking to help you etc. The game is entirely geared towards being easy and unchallenging while also constantly obsequiously praising the player and showering them with achievement-like pseudo rewards designed to give a little boost of dopamine without actually rewarding anything substantial. It's obnoxious.
I think the overall road design being unchallenging is a very strong point. I played FH5 for a bit then jumped to another game (don't remember what game, doesn't particularly matter either) which had the Brands Hatch circuit. The circuit kept me entertained for some time while I was getting the grasp of the circuit with many tricky corners. I can pretty solidly say that a 2.5 mile loop somewhere in the UK felt more fun and challenging to navigate than basically any road in Horizon 5's Mexico. I feel like Horizon suffers from the sheer amount of content that is expected of it, the map has to be bigger than the previous one, there have to be more cars, more achievements, more, more, more. It leaves the game feeling extemely bloated, but completely empty at the same time.
I think it might be time to get a job
Wow well put. I played it for a week and thought it rewarded me so much for doing nothing
if you’re not driving manual w clutch then the game will be very boring
And the roads in The Crew Motorfest look even more boring :'(
the map just feels like there was a nuclear explosion in mexico and we are the one and only survivors.
No, it’s actually the Covid lockdown era
no gas stations, no stores, no life, animals etc. Im kinda new to forza but this is ridiculous
@@_Sylens lol
This is a racing game this is not supposed to be an open world like gta
@@titcab8159 I bet u never have played more than 2 racing games in ur entire life and I bet most of them are modern as if you would play games before 2020 u wouldn't say this
The other thing I found pretty disheartening about FH5 is the sudden burst of activities that are thrown onto the map… The previous versions had a better progression path with the activities slowly opening up. This isn’t the case with Fh5 and it just feels confusing when you open up the map.
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You're actually right, I never thought about it. I wondered why I didn't want to do races or other events, they were too confusing and often times, I didn't need to do them at all.
Yeah, and every time you step out of the game for like 2 months, you come back and see 3 million more activities on the map, 5 sponsored tie-in storylines, 10 product-placement cars that are absolutely cheated in your inbox, a handfull of extensions and oh, still nothing engaging to do.
now that you've said it, you are right. just feels absolutely overwhelming with no clue on where to start. just proceeded to log out after seeing all the mess in my map and never touched it ever since then.
Yea A linear story works better in racing games in the beginning. Like GTA V or RDR2 have huge maps but if you follow the story, it opens them up a little at a time and you won't see some of it until you are hours in. Those games doo good about having storylines in every single place, they just do not have stuff to fill space, besides the ocean.
Forza Horizon 1 was truly the best and most rewarding. I remember grinding just to get an Aventador.
For me it was the veyron i had to complete the game to get it 😂
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@@osamasonfan for me it was the pagani lol
the races i did just for that pagani
I think one of the biggest issues with the map is the lack of npcs on the road. There are so little people the world just feels dead and boring. You don’t need to actively dodge traffic doing 200 km an hour on a back road and it’s one of the many reasons why there is no sense of speed.
They had npcs when the game launched and they where awful. They would just randomly spawn in front of you 😂
Exactly
I remember in forza horizon 4 when i would constantly crash into traffic at 260mph every single time i speed on the highway or any kind of fucking road and i started with a shitty car in forza 4 lmao
havent tried in fh5 but i know in fh4 the level of traffic on the roads was based on whether you were online or offline. online with other humans in the world traffic was at a minimum but if you go offline and play with drivatars there is a lot more traffic.
forza horizon 3 had a car meet was very cool.
the dialogue in that game makes me want to shrivle up and die
yea it's so cringe ..
I thought I was the only one lol
Exactly. I love progression. Going from old rusty cars and working my way up with some challenging gameplay to get the top tier cars
real.
I dont really understand this complain. It's not like the game tries to match your bugatti with a vw beetle or something. At the end, owning a top tier car means nothing if idk how to drive it. I personally hate grinding. Simply let me try different cars and find the one that works best with my playstyle
@@Centrioless it's not like that. Starting with slower, older, weaker cars and working your way up to get a better car by using the worst car and I don't mean grinding literally, we want variety of challenges and races to do to earn the better cars rather than repeating the same race to buy it. It's part of our nature to enjoy progression and earning things instead of having it all unlocked. Sure we should be given choice to pick different car in the same tier, so we can choose based on our style as you want. But starting the game with a Ferrari or McLaren... will lose it's thrill pretty quick
@@Edwardo160 if this is abt forza motorsport, i would agree with you. But in a game where i wanna test how far i can fly or how to hit that pinata on the electric pole or how to fo wheelie for 2mins straight, why th would i want some needless progression? If you want a career based game, go play track-based racing games. Dont ruin the excitement of exploring open world game with some pointless progression
@@Centrioless I play NFS and enjoy this progression. We agree about Forza and open world games, no need for progression there
one of the problems with Horizon 5 maps is that they actually designed it to accommodate the fake Battle Royale mode they have.
that's why Mexico felt really flat in Horizon 5.
also doesn't help that 75% of the map is just empty fields. The game feels empty, it lacks a big modern city and it lacks the feel of speed
@@unfunnyperson2101 I have to agree with you for the city. I wish they would use Japan for one of the Horizon and have a big city taking up half or more of the map..the other half could be twisty mountain roads. I'd be happy with that.
Who knew that putting all of your eggs in one battle royale fad-basket would turn out to be a bad idea?
Now EVERYTHING makes sense. What a piece of garbage. Will always be, I mean, a game that's going to be forgotten.
Playing Forza Horizon 4 & 5 feels meaningless. There's no end goal. You just drive until you get bored and then quit. I don't get these games at all.
Well there are some people like me who enjoy riding expensive machines around the world(map), and that why I love "meaningless" forza
@@Unknown-rk9qmsame here, just like real life , some people just like to drive their cars around to clear their head or just for relaxation
Lol “drive till you get bored” is a perfect summary, I literally played FH5 for an hour before thinking “fuck this is boring”. No consequences for anything, just hold down the accelerator and smash through everything in your path, yawn 🥱
@@BOKtober yeah! even more when reducing damage simulation does not affect your Credit bonus, neither rewind option. So boring
@BOKtober exactly! The multiplayer is so boring too everytime I get an itch to race I re-download it race like 3 races and Uninstall it again. It's just so empty and boring
I remember the nice feeling of starting with VW GTI in NFS MW 2006 and slowly progressing to Porsche Carrera GT. That was a good path of street racer started from the very bottom. I really missed that feeling in modern racing games.
It’s fun for like 5 minutes. They should make you able to get out of your car at car shows/meets and look at other builds
Or at least allow you to walk around in your houses. They feel like a useless purchase otherwise
@@danielt.9586 bruv walk around in your actual house lmfao
I keep saying this, it’s the lack of NPCs and NPC cars. FH3 has plenty of people roaming the streets during the day, other cars zooming past and it makes the world feel alive. Rockstar Games a so good at making the world feel like it can exist without you because the NPCs feel like they truly live in that world. Horizon 5 is just a baron wasteland, even the city is mostly empty and lifeless. Adding some sense of life into the streets will make the entire world feel like it’s actually alive.
GTA 5 feels dead though, GTA 4 actually feels alive
@@redbullsauberpetronas both are equal, gta 5 has a density setting you can increase or decrease
@@hyperix-deadso does gta 4 🤷♂️
@@lil_legalo5190 That was the point "both are equal"
the lack of npc cars is because the game i still on the og xbox one so if they had anymore npc cars driving around the game would be unplayable on the og xbox
Something I genuinely enjoyed in FH4 was the seasons. I LOVED building different cars for different seasons, and doing online races with them. Having a car built for winter, for the muddy spring rally, and then the wide open roads of summer was a blast.
i feel like it would have worked way better if they had rotated the challenges along with the weather. winter just made half the game unbeatable for a week, so the playercount always dipped. so instead of fixing it for the next game, they toned the seasons down so much you can barely tell them apart.
well most people complained about it, that is why they really nerfed the seasons
@@SpiderMax95really? i never had this feeling if I remember correctly. But another problem is, there is no such significant weather change in mexico than in scotland
@@naurens6586thats pitty, people always have to complain and the result is this, then it is too much hard, now it is too much easy. i would say hard is much better
they couldve made it so you could choose which season you would like in singleplayer, would be an interesting and good idea in my opinion@@tadeaspekar9043
That's why I loved the first Forza Horizon, I remember grinding hours just to get credits to finally spend them on that super fast car I've always wanted, or ranking up and getting better and better wrist band colours and then racing against the main rival of the colour and getting their car if you win and the part I loved the most which was not being able to switch your car in any place you wanted to
"Realism is not fun, I played game because I want to have fun". - Gabe Newell
I don’t like how horizon 4 and 5 lets you use any car for any race. When it was locked to a certain class or car type in the previous games I found it way more enjoyable. It made me use way more cars instead of my top 3 favorites.
This. even if it is "locked" to some kind of rule, you had to use more (other and different) cars to complete a mission because of that.. when the mission is over you could continue roaming the map or pick up another mission. and this formula is so simple, maybe too simple that it got removed from FH5 in some way then covered with different content to baby you(the player).
Yeah literally, I used a maxed out F40 for no joke 90% of races in 5, because it was just too easy
Not in fh4, only in fh5.
this is false fh5 is extremely strict like S1 900 british cars. have you even ever played the game?
@@Ripster11 it’s really not that strict for the majority of races, you can just use any class
FH1 had the best progression in the series because it actually HAD progression. Every game since FH1 just feels like a big sandbox where they throw hypercars at you and tell you to go do 1000 challenges.
I think fh2 still had good progression with them forcing you to up the dificulty after a point in the game (i don't remember it quite well, it could be me just tripping and this never existed in fh2)
I remember fh2 being the same, haven’t played 3 but 4’s progression is very lacking and 5 doesn’t even have one.
What's wrong with that? Not everybody is unemployed or has enough time to sit their ass 6 hours per day just to gring some advance in an endless videogame.
@@Toxic2T it's like saying you want that films start themselves with text on the screen explaining the world building because "it saves time" You should try to consume the media you have time to, hell, i gave up watching d&d campaigns because i didnt have 4 hours every day, if you think FH1 is too big for you (even though you don't need to sit 6 hours every day to beat the game in a short amount of time) you could aways choose smaller games, within 2 hours i completed a third of NFS hot pursuit 2 And also if the game marketed themselves as a sandbox there would be no problem, no one critiques Asetto Corsa (and ACC) or bng drive for their lack of interesting campaings, FH markets themselves as campaign focus games, as it was a positive point in FH1 and FH2
This is not a film, this is a videogame. You're supposed to play for fun, have a good time, relax or have intense emotions. Not grind on it, grind on a real job, it's more rewarding. I didn't bought Forza Horizon for it's campaign, I couldn't care less about it. I just open it up, build a badass muscle car, pop some wheelies with it, race randoms then leave satisfied with the experience. Simple, that makes it a great game, theres no need to be pretentious.@@where_is_sauce
I really loved how the original Crew game handled progression, starting off with a slow car that could barely reach speeds to pull off a nice drift in Chicago but learning to love these cars and then upgrading them and getting new ones felt COOL. Especially on the long journeys people complain about, when you do those journeys in your end car you feel special and how far you've come.
I loved the atmosphere of FH2, I also really liked the true variety of roads to drive on and that it felt like it had even just a little bit of actual story. I absolutely loved the car selection and that everything wasn't mach 20 right off the bat. FH4 was also pretty cool and had similarities, but FH2 will always hold a special place in my heart
I miss Forza horizon 2 days. The story was amazing and fun. It didn't feel lazy. Forza horizon 2 is one of the most fun and best horizon games. I miss the old Forza days.
Missing FH2 same as you. "This is the Summer of our lives“ . FH2 & FH3 are great racing games with perfect nostalgia and summer vibes. FH4 & FH5 are just massive "playlists”
I loved the little road trips that led to the next chapter / the next town in Horizon 2. It's a shame they gave that up.
Horizon 2 was pretty lazy, it’s just that the new games are worse. After you win the championship in 2 I don’t think there is a single change after that.
@@onoYuki-vw1muThat’s because the guy that used to curate the music, was kicked out after FH2.
i miss fh2 too... i have it but its broken 💀
This is legit straight to the point, I bought FH4 on last sale. I had all great cars on my fingertips and there was no satisfaction of progression i barely spent 10hours on that game.
And I spent 400+ hours in FH4 last year. And I have 100+ hours in FH5 this year. Who would have known people like different things...
@@BARDRUNNER People do like different things, but the progression issue is still not a person to person thing. The reason soo many people play FH5 is because of how easy and hand giving it is. If you don't believe me than that's fine, people will find out eventually how dog shit FH5's progression is.
@@BARDRUNNERthem not enjoying it doesn't invalidate your experience, it's OK.
Thanks dad.
@@BARDRUNNER keep winning son
I strongly admire your videos, the music, the sory telling and editing is amazing in your videos.
Yes i can completely relate to the progression thing. You can literally unlock everything with little to no challenge, so it feels like theres no real reason to crank up the difficulty or try more difficult races. The world is beautiful but it’s completely dead, no humans, little to no animals, no events taking place in the world, its empty. Its a driving simulator at this point, it isnt fun.
I loved FH4 for its ranked races, gave me a purpose to keep playing the game and I actually enjoyed racing on dry, to wet, to icy roads.
yea fh4 has so much better vibes and nostalgia than 5
@@original_YASS.52nostalgia for may be 3 or 5 year old game ? 😂
@@xninja2369 It's still on steam lmao, might as well play it than nostalgia
Yeah but fh4 car sounds awful, 5 sounds better but the map is absolutely garbage and they do nothing to fix it
@@OmniscientDreamer i mean you technically say "Nostalgia" for like decades old thing , may be you can sya about FH or FH2 but Definitely not 4 , And yeah one more thing (I hATE steam )
You nailed it on the head with the game feeling like a Tech Demo. You get everything up front and see all the graphical advancements to make you say “Wow” and never play the game again yet still leave a 10/10 review, exactly the state of Forza.
this is so true tbh, its my first forza and played it for 20 hours, those 20 hours where amazing and really had 'WoW" effects here and there but thats it, never touched it again after those 20 hours. i hade multiple houses, hundrets of cars and really good ones fully tuned. just lost interest
Uh, tons of people are still playing the game. It's one of the most popular racing games ever made.
@@aolson1111Popularity doesn't directly correlate to quality.
@@aolson1111 nobody is saying that the game doesnt have a big player-base, look at fortnite, its the most popular game right now, but people dont say that its a great game.
if you think about it, it says a lot about our current society not just the gaming industry, although i fully agree on the fact that in general, whatever game comes out is mediocre.
I feel like a lot of the races once your car is past (A spec) its too hectic. There isnt much that makes you play the slower vehicles which feel more connected and like a race where you're too fast for the road.
2:28 cool how the car's engine tone rises to fit the chord playing in the music. Good video btw
For me, 2 was the peak of the series. The tours you had to do from city to city were such a cool idea. I don’t like the newer feature of upgrading the festival itself or being somehow involved in it. I just want my car and tours from city to city
You’re absolutely right. The tours, the meeting spots, the map, the music and the whole vibe was definitely the peak of horizon. You just need to watch the first 10 min of the game to get hooked
I think it was fun to be apart of the festival in 3 while still competing, it gave players a taste of what that side was like, but then 4 and 5 killed the idea and went overboard. I don't mind the idea of previous entry characters returning in future entries but it feels like they try WAY too hard to suck up to you because "YoU'Re tHe ChaMpIoN iN *insert country*". There are ways to do this and turn 10 still haven't realized how.
have you ever tried playing the crew 2? there are plenty of amazing and challenging cross map races! there is also a new game of the crew that looks even better! i would definitely recommend trying it out!😁
@@rishy3777the crew is the best
@@rishy3777the crew 2 sucks motorfest and 1 are good tho
fh3 was the last game that had a progression system, people may not agree, but being a boss and building up a festival is a progression of some type, but compared to Fh2 getting a bugatti was hard af, i remember wining the Goliath and got that huge amount of CR then went straight to it bought it and the rest was history, and for a game that is almost 10 years old the graphic could actually beat other games that came out in the last 4 years too fh2 was the pinnacle of Horizon
fh1 too, the joy of getting the best car after the race was just amazing
It’s my favorite. I worked so hard for my veneno
Agreed. FH4 had a good open world and lacked a progression, FH5 tried to have progression but felt so boring
You have put a HUGE amount of effort in the creation of the video, I can tell. And yes, I also agree to all the points you mentioned. I personally have never played Forza Horizon 5, but whenever I see any gameplay of gamers on KZhead, I notice the exact same thing, EMPTINESS.
what you said at the beginning with adding only giving you newer cars. Definitely agreed with that, majority of the new cars that have been added have been new, why did we need a Barbie Hummer EV? not sure. There's just less and less cars I want in Forza than there has been in the past games. I've always wanted a Jeep Cherokee in Forza, but unfortunately that hasn't happened yet. (genuinely surprised they haven't with FH5, XJs were built in Mexico and play a huge part in off-roading and even Baja builds).
Licencing issues. The whole game is about commercial tie-ins now. So if you have a brand that doesn't want a competitor put in the spotlight... Also they are more invested in bringing the new brands that need advertising, like Xpeng, Lynk&Co, MG,...
Horizon 3 was the last one I could play constantly and never get tired of it, Horizon 4/5 are great games, but not the same...
the weirdest thing is that FH5 has way better car sounds but is not as fun I agree
If horizon 3 had up to date cars and customisation I’d literally still play that daily😂 I used to drift up the drag strip in h3 for hours on end and never get bored, or go for a cruise In the city, horizon 5 just feels too bland
Dont forget the Mountain Blizzard DLC that i think was awesome
True, best and last great dlc to a fh game. Fortune island or whatever it was called in fh4 and now that rally fh5 dlc feel just like easy cashgrabs with content that shoul've already been in the main game@@ECLIPSE97GST1
Ranked online mode was the only thing keeping me going on fh4 had a blast with that game mode actually had to work for it
I remember in forza motorsport 3 you start in total eco boxes, they were slow but it was paced well. Getting you're dream car after hours of grinding is more reward. Especially when you grind through even more races to get a fast car when you should've upgrades races ago
What I liked too was that you could win with YOUR personal car you tuned yourself and reflected your style. Now if you don't go for the meta in MP your might as well not start the race.
man your making me feel old even though I was 8 years old when I played it.
The good old days
Fujimi kaido and rally di positano best tracks ever
I bought this game (base edition, no add ons or DLC), and within 2 hours I had 4 different irl dream cars of mine, fully modded, maxed out stats, customized to my liking, and 200k credits to spare. I refunded the game after I opened it up and realized it was gonna be like a Crew 2 clone to me, I'd open it once in a while, do a race or two, remember it's boring because I was handed everything in the first few hours, and stop playing for months again.
I really wish they would entirely reinvent this and take some time with it. Create in-game characters that can help you tune your car, garages, car clubs, PEOPLE that you want to come back and be around again and again.
Hey man just wanna tell you, you made it through the algorithm
Forza Horizon should be a game about the car culture and it’s surrounding Horizon Festival reflecting the cultural locations to feel immersed. Not a game feeling like I am watching a soulless corporate sanitized advertisement.
we all have to admit even tho NFS is not like it used to be story wise but the grinding still is there hell even the new Crew game has it
I bought the game a few weeks ago (3 or 4), currently having 43hours on it, and I can see your feeling when you say the game is "dead" and sometimes I feel the same, the only way I have to have fun in free roam is I only use something like the Audi Quattro for that, it's difficult to drive and powerfull and I feel great when I can do 10km without crash, I feel better than winning races. It's my first Forza I bought and probably the last one. Thank you for the video and your opinion, it has aged like wine.
This is true about most games today. On a technical level, most of these games are marvelous, masterful even. That is the problem though. They don’t feel like video games anymore. They feel like experiences. They aren’t as fun, engaging, immersive, or creative anymore. Let alone innovative. And I feel like this phenomenon is going to get worse as time goes on. Video games will either feel like interactive movies, or boring drawn out experiences. Don’t even get me started on how games feel like even more of a chore to play now as well.
Time for Motorfest.
AAA games can't be that innovative, because they have to appeal to a large number of people. There are lots of creative and innovative games on Steam for instance, but they are not as popular, mainly because of their novelty.
@@viatrufka With all due respect, I do not think the idea of some games not being as popular due to their novelty is overly right, games like Undertale, Deltarune and FNAF trancended the indie space despite being viewed as novelties and they are still popular and famous to this day, regardless of its gameplay or so called novelty. As a result, Smash has Sans DLC for Miis, DDR and Stepmaniax have Undertale songs and I'm pretty sure there are some devs in the AAA space taking lessons from indies, and that brings us back to our original point: when will AAA games start to take inflence from indies and start daring themselves on original concepts again? Edit: I forgot FNAF has a movie now. Puts it into perspective, really
I loved how TDU2 did the progression. You woke up after a dream of a Ferrari and then go to a second hand car dealer to pick up a very low powered car for a couple thousand. Then you gotta do qualifications and driving licenses before you can even buy a special, super or classic car. It was tedious but also very rewarding having earned that. And after a while you got enough money to buy those cars and houses to put them.
duuuuude, that's a core memory and a half. I've been looking for TDU2 on PC but could never find it anywhere (I had played on PS3 originally). Do you know anywhere I could pick the game up, or any games that play/feel similar to it?
@@ynyrjohnson3861i don’t know for sure but i’m sure you can download an emulator on your pc for it
@@ynyrjohnson3861 It was easier for me to get tdu1 than tdu2, still can't find a proper place to get tdu2 its removed from steam, and atari no longer offers any support to the game, its basically ded unless u try to pirate it tdu1 however i got some mediafire links from a friend and that's how i played it
@@ynyrjohnson3861the only way is to download the pirate version, no need to feel bad cause its not available any more, i just downloaded it yesterday and man it still feels so good
@@ynyrjohnson3861 pick up an emulator or wait for solar crown to be released
Just for a comparison, one of the originals of the genre, TDU2, actually had less cars, probably a little smaller map, worse graphics (naturally), less interactions, less traffic, less everything. However when I was driving I was actually feeling peaceful instead of looking for a fast travel. When I wanted to buy a car I actually got excited about it instead of best of the best being handed over to me. I really like Forza and still one of the best racing I've played but strangely it gets boring only in about a week. You feel like you've done everything you can and everything about the game turns into jumping 1 more meter on the ramp, not about driving or anything.
The buying experience in Test Drive Unlimited was really something. You had to cruise from your house to your specific brand dealership, choose your car in the showroom, pick a color, an interior,...really felt like a passionnate guy buying a car that will be YOUR personal car, a reflection of your style. I actually went to the dealership just to look at the cars I dreamed in-game, felt like when you're a kid and go to see the cars.
i got bored of FH5 in less than a day... the map is the worst thing about this game... there are other shity stuff like you said about them giving cars like candy but to me an open world has to have an interesting map also i WISH that a game will have the ball to NOT implement fast travel. In NFSU2 you didn't have fast travel you wanted to buy something you had to go to a specific dealer and unlock things as you go... i'm playing motorfest now and even if i imported my collection i still have to grind to get the cars that i want and the money to customize them the way i want, motorfest is nowhere near to be the perfect game especially thanks to the physic which is still millions years ahead of tc2 but at least i'm having a blast and i WANT to play the game contrary to FH where i played out of habit
To be honest, i'm kind of attracted to how forza horizon 5 presents itself. Little grinding, easy to get cars, it's just very... me, i guess. I like roaming across an empty map, just enjoying the virtual scenery without getting obstructed by random obstacles such as npc cars. And the best part for me is, the cars aren't all that hard to get. All things said, it comes down to personal preference.
Yea, i agree. It’s more of a personal preference issue, seems like most of these people are searching for a NFS/TDU2 experience where they start in a slow cheap car and grind to the top for fast super cars. Which is fun for sure, but after a while you’ll want to drive around and just chill in a cool car but can’t even do that yet… lol It’s a mix of emotions that confuse people about this genre of games. Most want it more grindy but don’t want it to feel tedious, which is contradictory tbh. I think FH5 is a dope game it just needs more stuff to actually see. The map is pretty empty ngl.
@@grxy5924 another problem of FH in terms of giving a slow car at the start - FH is terrible at "it is funnier to drive slow car fast, then fast car - slowly". FH5 is better for sure, but in FH4 driving B and C class was unbearable, i think only rally cars were fun to drive in lower classes, anything else - torture. Especially buggies. I have no problem at all racing slow cars - NFS, Assetto Corsa, etc. are fun in slow cars too. But Forza Horizon...
In a driving game.. you pretty much want to DRIVE.. Not to "do stuff". Lol. I mean, Races are quite superfkin fun.. And so are street races.. oh my god. FH5 = good!@@grxy5924
before I say my stuff (No offense at all here) AT all. all games are trying to cater to your kind of which 5% of the population.. and it kills games, your kind (no offense) ruins gaming and it's not you guys it's the devs trying to make a game where everyone is good, for my sake a squirrel could probably drive in forza horizon. Devs are trying to create a game for a small population of people.
@@Blackwing2345635 Yes, that's because the game is designed to be like that. The map is designed in such a way that you need to go fast to feel the fun. Just the sheer size and long, empty roads showing you sceneries. If you went slow, it'll feel tedious and boring.
forza is a car game so it should be focusing on people that like cars, instead of being a game for everyone
Still a game. Games should be fun.
Maybe not for you
valid point but then i have this question for you sir: would you say in yo ur humble and honest opinion, that, FH5 is a car game and focusses on people that like cars? or would you say it's a game that focusses to "be something" for everyone? and if you can't answer this question properly don't worry. there is always next FH.
its to have a lot of players
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thought FH1 had the BEST story in the Horizon series. I’ve played FH1 on my Xbox 360 back in the Xbox 360 days. One of the best racing games I’ve ever played in my life along with Blur. FH1 had amazing vibes and an amazing soundtrack to make things even better. It felt like if you was actually at a festival. FH1 will always be in my heart. 🙏🏾
You are me wtf. Same same same! I miss Blur
I got the game off game pass and it instantly gave me a car token, so I just went and bought a Bugatti veyron as my second car💀
Amazing video, you expressed the way I feel towards FH5. This video deserves attention. 🙏🏻
i personally loved fh4 (many people wouldn't agree that it's a good game though) because it was my first horizon game, it had nice, vibrant menus, nice music, lively seasons and i spent many hours having fun on that game, and whenever i think of it, I think of a racing game with good graphics, good gameplay and a bunch of great memories. I can't say the same for fh5 there were also really fun businesses, I remember completing stories and trying my best to get three stars on businesses to be able to get fun cars to play with after
FH4 was the first Forma game I ever played, and I really enjoyed it, my only complaints are the reuse of engine sounds and the fact that AI traffic can't be disable in single player
Forza*
To me it’s the map and missions. I feel like the crew is a perfect example. The crew map was of the US (which yes it is pretty big) but there was so much to explore in the crew that you just have to keep Playing to find more Collectible and cool scenery. And The crew honestly had good missions and money wasn’t so easy to get in that game so you had to grind to get money to buy a new car and upgrades
Yeah the crew is actually a way better game
The Crew is an amazing game. I haven't even played the campaign but have spent hrs just virtually roadtripping to points on the map. The way they have packed in so many iconic spots from the US into a totally reasonably sized map you can explore is so good.
@@Agret exactly that’s what makes it enjoyable. In my opinion the crew has the best Map in any car game ever!
@@ALM_Garage the variety in the landscape is what makes the map so good, I agree that it is probably the best open world driving game map.
@@Nationof300 I definitely preferred the crew 2 over fh5. But I will say that forza has a better handling model while being able to keep the freeroam aspect, while games like the crew and nfs are too arcadey to feel like a game intended to drive cars
Good video and very good points. I wish the voiceover had a de-esser on top of it though to reduce the sibilance.
You’ve really hit the nail on the head with this video. Well done!
honestly forza horizon just isnt good enough anymore, recycled content, cringe dialogue, bugs, unjust bans, i dont even bother anymore
the fact that more players are playing the 2018 release FH4 today than FH5 says all anyone needs to know about this game.
Is it better than fh5?
Yes
@@DaGhibellineNo, it's identical to FH5 but that's what a lot of people started with so they feel it's better still
@@goo_dragon agree
@@goo_dragon FH4 does things so much better than FH5, did you not watch the video? Its not about it being nostalgic, it literally IS better
That’s why I still play fh4. Even though many supercars are easily achievable, I enjoy tuning cars and just driving. The map still surprises me and feels beautiful every time. I saw many bad reviews about fh5, but I was surprised by learning that fh5 had so major flaws.
I went to FH5 after something like 1k hours in FH4 (bought the latter when FH5 was already available because cheap) on PC. Yes, map is soulless, no seasons (yeah, technically they are here and there are changes, but FH4 was perfect in that regard), even more broken progression, online is even more garbage (but it is much better in technicalities like loading times are not so insane, teleporting is less, stuff like that), but I stayed at FH5 because of better physics, visuals in general, great serpentine on the volcano with awesome view, separate rally map is great, settings for controller on PC (and triggers' vibro in the Steam version), better cameras, a bit better tunning IMHO. New cars, of course. Also stories are better in FH5 in general.
I think, for me at least, it's about the driving. I don't have to play for 80 hours to get a car that I will eventually switch for a different one. I can enjoy and drive anything I can whenever I want
Yes! I loved Fh4 so much (and still do) that I bought the premium version of Fh5 on release because I was so hyped for the next Forza. Then I played it for some hours and went back to Fh4 after that. I just missed the atmosphere, the beautiful British landscape, the dynamically changing seasons, the themed races (like 90s cars - max 600 power) in the festival playlist, the fun stories (like chasing those three stars on a mission for your delivery service), and so on… Like you said, Fh4 had way better progression and game design.
I did exactly the same thing!
Have a better progression my ass. Y’all complain when a new FH release that’s it. I remember everyone bullshiting about FH4 while there was nothing wrong with the game so shat ap.
well its true fh5 all you do is drive straight and thats it, after like 20 hrs of gameplau out of it i went back to fh4
This is why NFS Heat was such a good game, you started with real shit cars and with progression and time you got better and better cars. It was such a rewarding feeling unlocking and being able to buy a new and better car after lots of time racing and making money. You really had time to connect with your car since making money for a new car really took time.
Man, that game has one of if not the best progression system. It really tests your skill by forcing you to get out of your comfort zone. Unbound also did a pretty good job at it.
E30 M3 = Real shit car. Idiot
omg its lowe asmr
Heat had an great system and I love the engine swaps so every car you like can be useful
Heat was also super generous with the payouts. If you grind the night races and level up, your races in the day will give you $40k-$80k each, which let you actually collect and try different cars. I don’t know how many more $15k races I can grind in FH5 when I’m trying to save up for a $2 million Ferrari
the proggresion one is so real, i can still understand the other isiuess but the thing that after 1 day of playing i got a maxed car is crazy
nice *Shelby* you were driving there 😂
The lack of much progression was a big problem for me. Got given all the cover cars of the games I'd played in the past in the first hour for free. I had a senna, centenario and ford gt so it ruined a fair bit of the progression
FH3 is my favorite in the genre and has been for years. So much nostalgia of driving off cliffs, into water, through the big city, and across the desert and on the massive highway. It was also slower and took more time to progress, I remember really wanting some expensive cars and then having to do tons of fun races to accumulate enough wealth to make just one purchase. Then again. And again. It never got old because every race was somewhere new and every car I could tune however I wanted. The good old days.
FH3 is literally what started the trends that killed forza in the first place, its garbage.
Horizon three needs a remaster. Updated car List and customisation and up to date graphics and I’d burn my copies of horizon 4 and 5 just to own that game lol😂h3 was the best imo, so many great memories
@@Jr_J2929100% horizon 3 was the best, and the last good one unfortunately
Just bought fh3 on ebay after watching this, that was one of my favorite games during that time but I lost my copy of it
Someone show this to the devs!
Thinking about it now I actually had so much fun just speeding in gta v especially with Franklin and now looking at forza horizon 5 it does feel increasingly empty and just boring forza horizon does somewhat face the same problem but it seems like the devs are only focused to make the game map bigger and not denser which is kinda sad.
My problem with the game, (FH 4 and FH 3 to a lesser extent) is there's just too much to do and no cohesive story. If I can create any rase using any car I want, there's no reason for mere than 20 cars, as you said. FH 2 was my favorite because of how it felt like a legitimate story. Single and cohesive. The good ol days
"the problem isn't just the endgame, it's the rest of it too" absolutely slaughtered 💀💀
I’ve never heard someone say “sepific” instead of specific before. Lol, well done.
This video is 12 minutes. Thr eah you explained, feels like 1 hour of explainations and clearl understandings. Ty❤
I played the game for about a month a bit after release, so I don't remember much. What I do remember, however, is how the different locations were not, as you said, "integrated". They all felt like a demo of what the game was capable of. "Here you can see the mud physics, here you can see the water droplets, here you can see the snow, etc." The map just never felt connected.
I’ll say it like this, the first week in fh5 I already had half the auto show in my garage
yo sick video bro i thought u had 200k subs
I agree with the progression issues, i started playing forza horizon 5 a few days ago and when i checked out my mailbox i was granted cars like porsches, lamborghinis and even a bugatti divo
I think one of the biggest issues is that 90% of players are mostly in the same place at once and once you leave that area, they de-render and disconnect. That ruined the life that the game had in the lobbies, which also resulted in a reduced amount of traffic on the street. Go in the offline mode and all of the sudden the world feels a lot more alive with all of the AI racers and drivers.
I 100% agree with the part about the map. My first FH game was 4 and I liked the map and the seasonal changes. I was hyped for FH5 because they added weather storms and I assumed that the seasons would remain, but nope. Snow can literally only be found on top of the volcano when it's winter and other seasons just change the amount of rain there is. Now I will say that certain parts of the map are nice to drive in such as the jungle and the canyons, and I do like the area of the 2nd expansion quite a bit, but the biggest issue for me is definitely that they made the seasons useless.
I went in this video and the intro made me think youtube was bugged cause the video next to you was about a GTA V review lmao
"a koeniggseg agera" shows a jesko xd
Holy Shit. This video made me say: ,,thats what i‘m saying‘‘ countless times and just confirmed my view and opinion on Forza Horizon 5. i really thaugt i was the only person thinking that something feelt wrong playing this game. I actually loaded up fh4 again and got an insane nostalgia rush. I even ended up playing way more fh4 than fh5 Thank you TimePlayer for this Masterpiece of a video🙏🏼
I've bought both games recently and i honestly don't really see the difference between the two.
theyre both so boring to me this video sums it up well@@leefswgoh7558
Thank you for stating the way many of us feel about Forza Horizon 5. I find the Mexican roads plain and boring. I also think the open world is way too "open" and getting from race to race is drudgery. I bought a racing wheel for my Xbox Series X on the basis of all the incredible reviews it got. Today it's sitting in a corner. I feel really deceived by all the reviewers. I'm 62 and I've been playing racing games since the 80s. I love the old Need for Speed games where you raced through digitally created ancient European villages, over bumpy cobblestone roads and covered wooden bridges. The resolution wasn't great but the artwork and atmosphere were gorgeous. The other cars lifted up leaves that whirled across your windshield and there were lots of gritty-feeling gravel roads. All that made force-feedback feel real and fun. It just goes to show that graphics aren't everything. A graphically beautiful 4k game means nothing if the game isn't fun. Sadly, I think that's the problem with racing games today, they just aren't fun anymore and haven't been fun for a while.
Have you played beam ng drive?
@@kilovwdude6457 he said he plays on Xbox
@@dusannestorovic5699 well it's possible he has a laptop with a graphics card you can play beam at low 1080p with 2gigs of Vram and 8gigs of ram
I did the exact same thing, bought a wheel used it like 3 times got bored and ended up selling it lol
Strongly recommend Asseto Corsa or BeamNG, you will get the most out of your wheel in those games! Your best bet would be a PC however.
I agree, I gotta listen to music and drive creatively. I only drive for long hours to sim the cars I wanna drive Irl because unfortunately I'm in a position where I can't drive a car atm. I wish they had specific modelled cars and a more interactive map, also with a fix on online matches because i wanna drive one car but i gotta go through a random multiplayer match that sometimes forces me to drive the 900+ hypercars. Modding cars i feel like is limited too, im constantly changing cars to make them similar to ones not on the game, more engine options would be nice. I was surprised when i couldn't find a diesel Volkswagen.
i feel like definitely for next forza they need to make progression with call collecting like with horizon 1 and 2. i remember it took me 2 weeks or so to get a lamborghini hurrican because of how expensive it was at the time. also another thing that sucks is the fact that i dont FEEL fast when im driving, like there feels like there's no weight to the car at all and every car pretty much feels the same.
The problem is that they would then lose a large proportion of their players. The people who got to know the series through FH4 and 5 (most likely through the Game Pass) don't want progression. They want to get everything gifted to them as quickly as possible so they can show off to their friends.
While playing horizon 5, i found myself not even driving around normally most of the time, i was either buying cars and upgrading them or finding stupid glitches to do with my friends.
GTA has a good story, but Forza Horizon does not which is why it is boring
Not only that. GTA's world is sprawling with little details and noise. It feels lived in. Forza is just a big playground with some props here and there.
Going off road with non off road vehicles is also way too easy and using off road vehicles is not rewarding at all. The maps road layout can be easily cut by just going off road which removes the reason for roads in the first place. I would also enjoy multiple cities and landscape in-between a lot more than randomly themed areas that connect without a transition 😢
When you have too much expectation, it spits on your face
to me Forza horizon 3, 4, and 5 is like buying the same game. They all feel the same to me. I miss the simplicity and actually progressing to get cars you want in horizon 1 and 2 not handed money like water.
I think by far the most fun I’ve had playing a Forza game was either Motorsport 7 or Horizon 3. I felt like those 2 were the same as the older games but with much better graphics.
horizon 3 was elite
Horizon 3 was my introduction to the Xbox One and I spent hundreds of hours on it.
Horizon 3 was the peak of the series, sucks that it's delisted
bruh this game is goated idk what u saying, its so fun removing ur hud just cruising around in a lightly modded s15 at night in the rain for example. y’all don’t rlly have an imagination
Man do I glad I've come across this video cause I couldn't agree more. I was excited when I bought forza 5 and it was fun for like a week. I didn't feel the connection of the gameplay and overall it felt too easy. Btw, it's my first introduction to Forza. I thought I have to grind my first million harder but then I checked the wheel spin thingy and they bombarded me with it... couple minutes pass, I have like 5 millions of them. If this is how Forza works previously, what's the point of collecting 20k+ or smth for every race?
to me FH4 was a masterpiece (haven played FH3, but heard that it was even better) amazing season-changing system, liked the "team" racing modes in horizon open, showcase events were superior and Fortune Island was a flawless experience for me (spent like a 100 hours just drifting down that mountain serpentine!)
i agree. that extra map you could travel to to do all sort of "fun" things like that drift mountain is mental joy. i wish the dev team that have FH5 in their hands right now, would come up with something similar, just a 'side' story in a completely different map(smaller map) but keep it exciting.
The only thing I didn't like was the reuse of engine sound for a lot of cars
Yeah they R E A L L Y sucked! Even fh3 was better!@@pontiacgto1188
I wish this video had more views. This is exactly what I’ve been saying about the entire Forza franchise especially 4 and 5. The games are too easy and there is no feeling of progression. Everything is handed to you after an hour of playing. Sadly the developers won’t make any changes until they see an actual drop in player numbers and until people publicly disagree. Unfortunately the player numbers are higher than ever, making them more money, which means they will push this kind of gameplay until it stops making them money.
As much I love the Forza franchise, I am sick of the new games that is so empty with a lack of purpose/motivation to do anything in those games after 20 hours of playing. The reason is that because the team behind it want's to appeal to the casuals more than enthusiasts, hence why the new games feels so easy and having little to no punishment from a mistake. I strongly agree that Forza Motorsport 4 had the perfect difficulty option of choosing any kind of difficulty and having a risk to go along with it. Turn off every handling assists settings, having a difficult AI, no rewinds and all damage on? The most risky but the most rewarding for cash and exp. Every assist on, easy AI, Rewinds on and damage off? Most safe but the most slowest for progressing of the game. But in Forza Horizon 5? All damage is nearly inconsequential due to the lack of funs you need to repair the car after a race, there is a ton of ways to even make money by not racing with wheelspins/Kudos system and just the amount of cars that the game will give to you without having to do anything (And more faster by this too), AI on higher difficulty can grip corners faster than you without even slowing down even with identical cars on the field. The most boring way to make a racing game. There is no point to get "better" and improving to be better at the game because the game rewards you, again, by doing the bare minimal effort for everything. Looks nice, controls great and have no substance in anything else. Sadly I think forza will die by this new change of course because how massive it have gotten by the mainstream public and cater to them. Not the dedicated people who will play the game years on end and slowly knowing how the game works with each playthrough. And also, the sense of speed is fucking garbage in FH5, Going over 400km/h should be scary like in the previous forza games when the camera is shaking violently but in the new games it's hardly anything. It is fucking BORING!
At least they arent like ea that releases shitty sport games every year and gameplay is always broken and the game barely changes
I think something they did do good was the hot wheels dlc where you did have to work hard and grind missions to get the nice cars
i feel like if i started with slower cars then slowly work my way up into the faster exotic cars i feel its an achievement, and i would most definitely notice the speed and power difference better and appreciate and value the cars i get
9:25 This is the biggest problem I have with FH5, GTA V map is so exciting because it's so realistic, modern city mixed with a countryside and lots of traffic to the point that you really have to slow down sometimes.
One thing that I liked abt FH5 is that it offers you so many different cars that I found out and started driving new cars that I was able to enjoy and kept me from ditching the game. In the end I just save around 20 ish cars in my favorites and that’s all I drive. Besides the game gives you so many choices that I don’t even feel like buying the new koenissegg or any kind of lambo, just because I was able to find many other counterparts that fit my play style even more. But yeah the things he said abt the grinding system, I can’t really complain about it, it’s garbage
The one thing that kind of annoys me is the fact that I feel like I barely see any random npc cars on the roads, also, as another guy said, the roads are waaay too wide. As far as for the big number of cars included and the high end options being available from really early on I don't think it's THAT much of an issue, although I myself am someone that likes trying all the weird "lame volkswagen" cars, not just the very peak of performance supercars, because for me driving and cornering 90 degree corners at 200mph gets pretty boring pretty fast. Great video fam, keep at it.
never thought id hear someone call a ford bronco "prestigious and exotic"
dayum this video is very well scripted edited and recorded and yet you only have 1k subscribers
The main problem with fh5 is the roads, they are too wide and no bumps that can throw you away from the road, also game feels very slow because of that!
I agree and what I also don’t like about Forza Horizon 5 is how you are basically given supercars from the beginning. I miss starting out with a basic car and winning races until you’ve earned a supercar.
4:23 when he said "some shitty volkswagen" damn that really hurt me deep down (I own that scirocco irl).