Evidences of the Book of Mormon: Hebraisms
Some critics have disparaged the Book of Mormon’s language for being too repetitive. This may lead readers to wonder if it has any literary merit at all. The following video demonstrates that the Book of Mormon’s redundancies are actually sophisticated literary features which, in many cases, are similar or identical to literary techniques used by ancient Hebrew authors. A number of other Hebrew features can also be found in the text. These traits provide remarkable evidence that the Book of Mormon is indeed a masterful work of literature. It just follows ancient, rather than modern literary standards.
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I study and read Biblical Hebrew, and there are literally thousands of Hebraisms in the Book of Mormon that were retained in the translation. Neither Joseph Smith nor any of his associates knew enough about Semitic languages at the time he brought forward the Book of Mormon to include these types of Hebrew literary devices in the book. This is one of many evidences of the book's divine origins.
Leo Duren. Hi, Leo! Shouldn't you be wondering how a book (Book of Mormon), written in "Reformed Egyptian" (according to Joseph Smith, Jr.), contains "Hebraisms"? I'm not the Biblical scholar you seem to be, but that's the first question I asked when I first heard about the BoM "Hebraisms". Is the question inappropriate or stupid? Please explain.
@@42apostate No, it's neither inappropriate or stupid. Great question. The answer is that the content and grammatical structure were Hebrew based (Nephi and other BofM writers document that they were taught and understood Hebrew, although the Nephite Hebrew evolved over the centuries), but the Reformed Egyptian characters were just the written vehicle used to communicate the language in writing.
@Macy sondheim I would not take that approach in evangelizing
@Macy sondheim Tou really wanna make me join the church now. I can tell you're very very holy.
No they only PLAGIARIZED THE BIBLE LEFT AND RIGHT!!!!!
I've been reading the Bible and the Book of Mormon for years. Years of reading, I tell you, there is no way I could have spotted those hebraisms by myself. So, there is no way a farm boy named J. Smith could have known any hebraisms.
Samoa Moni Yes, a farm boy with a Third Grade Education......
@@sbnsbaker1 'face palm' you guys don't get it do you, the work of God will keep on moving forward till the second coming. There is no way to stop it. you can try to get unbelievers, and try to shake other peoples testimony. But there will be those who like The Brother of Jared who have faith.
Incidentally, although these traits and literary tools in the Hebrew languages of the old testament, for native English speakers, they also happen to be indicative of a poor grasp of written grammar, which definitely fits the profile of a rural farm boy with a limited education. Records of Joseph Smith's young life indicate that he had enough literary exposure to be more than capable of fabricating something like the Book of Mormon, while having enough limitations regarding his education that his grammar would reflect such mistakes and shortcomings. If parallelisms were such an integral part of the translation in terms of preserving the original feel of the source material (which never existed to begin with), then it would have been made known then, not now by apologists who are trying desperately to resist the undeniable prognosis being reached by modern science that religion and god are human fabrications. This is nothing more than a shallow attempt to lend credibility to one of the most successful scams of 19th century America.
He wrote the book in his 20s. Where are you getting "farm boy". His mother states, he can quote chapters of the bible and so he can clearly read. I find it weird that the book of mormon is written in old English, parallel to the king james version. We know he ripped off the bible because he added things in the book of mormon from the bible the wernt meant to be in the bible, but Joseph smith didnt know this. With over 1000 changes since 1880s, this book doesn't tell the same story that the original one does, that god wrote.
@@calebwarren8168 interesting how you try and make him both capable yet incapable of doing what he did. When the grammar he use is proper for how he used it in a book fundamentally claim to be a record of the Hebrews. He should use Hebrew grammar, not English grammar. I know you completely missed that in your diatribe. But the thing that this video does not touch on is the number of Egyptian isms bitter in the Book of Mormon, such as we turned our back to the land. That is a uniquely Egyptian phrase. Because for a long time, Hebrews and Egyptians, before what we understand to be the dynastic period, had a very close relationship. So much so that if you read ancient documents you realize that the builder of the Great Pyramid of Giza was Enoch. That knowledge is common in the Middle East and has been common in the Middle East for several thousand years.
My father is Jewish and mother Chilean (including some Lamanite). I found Christ through reading the Book of Mormon. I love your video and the vast amount of research to make such a brief summary of such an extensive topic. Please continue to share these.
And you couldn't find Christ by reading the Bible? Seriously? Wow cuz that's all the bible is about is Christ. The old testament prophecies of Christ and the new testament testifies of Christ.
Yet if you read the Book of Mormon you would also know that on the cover it quite literally says "another testament of Jesus Christ."
@@collinhoffman8000 Yes is does say that, but what I'm saying it that it isn't necessary to have " another" testament. All you have to do is read the bible, Christ will be found in his word. Why couldn't you pick up the Bible and read it, like you did the BOM? That is where you can read first hand accounts of Jesus Christ by his apostles. Did you fast and pray about the truthfulness of the Bible, or did you ignore it and just read the BOM?
@@meditationmusic8654 well to tell you the truth I have read both. As well as our modern day church history and about 90% of our modern day prophets talks. Our history of our church is found in the Doctrine and Covenants book of scripture as well as the Pearl of Great of Price which helps to understand the Bible itself because the Bible has been done over so many times. But back to the Bible. I am currently teaching about the old testament and I have a strong testimony that it is true to a certain degree like the Book of Mormon. The only exception is that the one book is older and has been rewritten 3 times more than the other and the old testament has certain attributes that are not true because that truth was not yet discovered such as sacrificing at the alter. Which is kind of a bad example but do you see what I mean? As members of the church we believe that both books are true we just believe the Book of Mormon is more accurate than the Bible. Hope you understand that point of view 😀
@@collinhoffman8000 I understand, I disagree with you, but I understand. I could never line up the D and C, Pearl of great price with the BOM, just too many condratictions between them. I also couldn't understand the 3000 plus corrections in the BOM, and when I compared the 1 St edition to the current one( I also did this with the D and C and the temple ceremonies) I new something was off. Sacrificing at the alter was a foreshadow of christ's atonement, the unblimished Lamb, please read " the super of the lamb" by Dr Scott Haun, explaines it very well. And if I'm not mistaken according to Bruce R Mckonkie animal sacrifices will be reinstated( I'd have to go relook that up, but it ties in with D and C 13:1.) Good luck my friend
WONDERFUL! Thank you for sharing this. You cover a lot of ground in this video. It is remarkable to me that chiasmus in the Book of Mormon was not discovered until 1967--but after decades of reading the Book of Mormon, and not discovering it without it being pointed out to me--and likewise with the Bible--I consider chiasmus alone as outstanding evidence that the Book of Mormon is an ancient Hebrew literary narrative--as authentic as the book of Matthew in the Bible, with its chiasmus as well--add ALL the parallelism and other Hebraisms discussed in this video, the internal literary evidence is essentially irrefutable. Of course, critics and opponents will continue to doubt its authenticity, as they doubt the historicity of the Bible and of Jesus Christ Himself--seemingly no matter what. The strongest evidence of the Book of Mormon continues to be the witness of the Holy Ghost, and I suppose that will be the case until the end of time, when we actually meet the Savior and the other authors of this book of scripture, the word of God. I testify that the Book of Mormon is true. I know it! Thank you.. :)
It is astounding how few views that something this remarkable has garnered over a period of 4 years!!! It should have garnered that many in just a day! If we are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we should be sharing this with every single member, as well as with all of our non-member friends!!!
I would love to see the faces of the people who have already passed from this life, who have witnessed the truth of all things and of the book of Mormon on the other side of the veil.
Amazing. This is a much-needed light to those in doubt, and, though it can't prove that the Book of Mormon is true, it is enough to strengthen a testimony. Thank you.
I think more people have left Mormonism or refused to join *because of* the Book a Marmin. It does contain some spiritual truths that can also be found in the Bible. BUT...from the perspective of history, it is absolutely NOT TRUE!!
What's unhistorical about it? And if Joseph Smith was lying about it, then how do you explain all the hebraisms in this video?
If you don't mind me asking, what in the BOM is wrong to you? I'm interdenominational and currently studying this book for extra insight. Here's what I found. Adultery/polygamy is wrong.✔ There is only One God.✔ Jesus is the Son of God, and is God.✔ Turn from iniquity.✔ Get baptized and follow Christ.✔ Racism is immoral and wrong.✔ The only thing that confuses me is how the BOM contradicts the D&C's. That throws me off a bit.
@@knightlykin1499 in the same way the new testament seems to contradict the old, the D&C is revelation for our dispensation. There is no actual contradiction.
It is indeed an impressive book written by someone that should not have any means of doing so in such a short amount of time. I personally don't believe he was some sort of literary genius, he was just a man with task, being directed by a divine supervisor.
www.fairmormon.org/answers/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Deification_of_man
It definitely wouldn't take a literary genius to write the book of mormon. It's pretty poorly written from a literary perspective. He was more than capable of the fabrication.
@@calebwarren8168 I wouldn't be able to do it and I'm pretty sure I have a better education then he did.
@@calebwarren8168 I challenge you to do it. Also, you must recite it from memory while reading from a hat.
@@samuelreeder3437 I've read the Book of Mormon over a dozen times and I say *IT IS NOT IMPRESSIVE!!* It is "chloroform in print". Beyond that, Mormonism has always taught that the BoM was written in "Reformed Egyptian" (what ever THAT is) and not in Hebrew. If BoM wasn't written in Hebrew, where do all these supposed "Hebraisms" come from?
This is a great video, very informative and the narrator is easy to listen to, I subscribed to hear more like this.
hey thanks, glad you think so ;)
Inspiring! Enlightening! Solid! Wow! I’m floored! And... the animation was cool.
This video is a gift to the Saints. Thank you so much.
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@@thomaspearson1919 Thomas, brother of doubt! The question that precedes is, are your comments worth their girth. Why need we think about stink? Brother of bowel blockage with unfortunate accumulation: suggest stroll and troll elsewhere, on a site of spite.
Just to remind you, and it was the Mormon blood cult, in your church pre 1990 and you forget it Mr Jeffrey Holland after 10 seconds admitted we used to say these rituals... Blood Temples. The Mormon saints as you call them, and the Mormon church it is one big scam since 1830, Adultery Joseph Smith who married 11 women who had already had living husbands, he decided to write this in his fictionalised Mormon book of Mormon. Doctrine & Covenant 132 - 61 - 62.. Law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and are given unto him so therefore he is justified. Remember that.. When did JESUS CHRIST PREACH ADULTERY take your time and think about it. You are in the SATAN church believe me..
The Bible says. MAN did NOT exist until his physical creation on Earth, and the LORD GOD formed MAN of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and became a living soul. Also however that man was NOT first is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterwards that is spiritual. GENESIS 2 - 7 & CORINTHIANS 15 - 46. ======================================================= The scripture you and your Mormon followers don't want to read and hear. ####################################################
How strange that Mormons hide under beliefs, that their man made church have not got the bottle, to debate a religious conversion, and are all Mormons like you.
“The Mormons are very lucky. Their book is very beautiful.” - Biblical scholar David Noel Freedman.
Thank you Stephen Smoot, the Book of Mormon is just as much your book as it is mine.
Whoever that is,lol
Kenny Boy Google's pretty awesome... "David Noel Freedman, son of the writer David Freedman, was a biblical scholar, author, editor, archaeologist, and, after his conversion from Judaism, a Presbyterian minister. He was one of the first Americans to work on the Dead Sea Scrolls."
@@joshua.snyder only christ is perfect. Not the Book of Mormon or its writes, not the Bible or its writers, not any OT, NT, or modern prophet. I also happen to think that the gold foil on my bible stands against the leather in a lovely way. But knowledge of the Bible or Book of Mormon mean nothing if we don't have charity. There are Muslims and Jews and who will get to heaven before us if we don't have charity.
And we’re lucky to have you, Steve. God bless!
Heartlander or not....the Mayans used "And it came to pass" a lot in their hieroglyphs.
Interesting!
School of ROCKwell Source please! Only NON LDS Mayan experts accepted.
Davey Jones When I learned about the Mayan cities I was never told that they were related to the Nephites or Laminites but that during Joseph Smith's time no one knew that they ever existed people thought they didn't exist and criticized the church because of it but now that we have found them it is evidence that Joseph Smith could not have been making it up because it took laser technology for us to find those cities.
@@chaseallen7499 Mayan cities were known of and found LONG BEFORE Joseph Smith came on the scene. The Spanish found the Inca/Maya/Aztec in the mid 1500s. Also, Archaeologists were investigating Mayan ruins long before Smith and his "gold plates" were ever heard of.
Additional info is that in the Bible there are even more repeats of words in the Hebrew text that seem to appear. Many things are not added in the translations. One example is in Hebrew "birding birds" in Genesis. The Bible is even more poetic than it seems because this kind of things are poetic to make it more beautiful, but they don't make sense in other languages.
This video is incredible! Thank you very much for sharing!
When the soundtrack drowns out the narrator, the message is background noise. Tone down the music and give the woman a chance to be heard.
Thank you for making these! Especially loved learning about and it came to pass!
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Great job, Awesome presentation! Joseph Smith was truly a prophet of God. The Book of Mormon, like the Holy Bible, is another testament of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ💜
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What this video shows is truly amazing. Thank you for posting it on KZhead. Where can I study more about Hebraisms in the Book of Mormon?
Thank you Scripture Central. Great explanations.
Read my Comment, and think about it.
Is there a pdf or site or even book edition that formats and highlights the Hebraisms?
XLpug yeah there is a reformatted version of the text that shows most of the parallelisms! From this link you can check it out online or buy a hardcopy from Amazon: publications.mi.byu.edu/book/poetic-parallelisms-in-the-book-of-mormon-the-complete-text-reformatted/
chiasmusresources.org/index-chiasm-book-mormon
@@matthewcutler6138 that book is a fantastic resource. Thank you!
Thank you both!
While you contemplate this issue, consider the implication that the Book of Mormon wasn't written in Hebrew, it was supposedly written in "Reformed Egyptian". What are "Hebraisms" doing in a NON Hebrew book?
Please keep making these video's. They are amazing!
This is great. Thank you for your hard work on this.
I just wonder if the app name? Let me know Thank you
The Book of Mormon is either sent from God or the devil. It converted me to Jesus Christ and caused me to forsake my life and follow Him as my Savior and Redeemer. I was reborn a new creature in Christ because of this book. I can tell you Satan was quite pissed at this.
Adam Vance the book of mormon was sent by the devil. I did research for 8 years andwatched a lot of videos to see if the bible was real and it was science backed up the bible and within those 8 years i was researching to see of the book or mormon was real and i still cant find any evidence to back up the book of mormon
Adam, your testimony is what's important. Ignore the naysayers. God bless you and protect you.
So with that type of Logic . We have to say that about Muhammad . He saw an angel and wrote the Quran This is what Paul said to the Galatians chapter One . If I or an angel preach another gospel let them be an anathema. A curse by God forever Jerimiah 17:9 The Heart is Deceitful... That's why we don't go by feelings
@@kevintran7542 You didn't get the statement, and you don't understand it currently. If it was by the devil it would talk and preach of the devil, not Christ.
@@kevintran7542 There's plenty of evidence shown right here on KZhead, and I'm sure it would lead you to research that would prove the truth to you. Fortress prints in the landscape, an 8 ton rock in (New Mexico?) that has reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics on it from that time, and plenty of other stuff. And it was presented by an Angel, Moroni, sent from God.
Why would we assume over the 1000 year history in the Book of Mormon that Hebrew would be the language of the Nephites and Mormon/Moroni? The text doesn’t name the spoken language and the written language is described as reformed Egyptian?
Hebrew was still available to the Nephites in some form or another at the end of the Book of Mormon. See Mormon 9:32-33: 32 And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech. 33 And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record.
Anti-mormon- Everything in the video is false. Mormon - Why and what is false? Anti-mormon- My pastor told me so. Hold on let me copy and paste this lengthy anti-mormon stuff that has nothing to do with the video. Mormon- So you believe everything he tells you? Anti-Mormon- but you guys believe in becoming Gods and having your own planets. Mormon- Whats that have to do with the video? Anti-Mormon- You are save by faith alone and not by works.
Mormons tend to believe everything their bishops, general authorities, and prophets tell them, so you really have no room to criticize another religious group that only exhibiting the same level blind devotion to its leaders as your own. Also, it's funny that your straw man is still a theist; if you want to find reasons why a religion is wrong, you don't look to another religion. You look to reason and science. Is there a remarkable level of coincidence shown in this video? Yes, but why should we assume that because something happens in a way that merely seems perfect to us that it must be because there's a magical bearded white man in the sky who controls everything? If you want to find truth, you first have to consider the evidence. If a seeker sets out wanting to find something specific, than that's all they will find in their searches whether it's true or not. All of this "research" that supposedly corroborates the book of mormon has been done with the final conclusion already in mind, and that method ultimately only serves those interested in preserving misconceptions for the purposes of an agenda.
@@calebwarren8168 I look to reason and science and still same result. Matter+ time+ chance equals the universe is a magical fairy tale. Matter on it's own can not create a fine-tuned universe. There's zero chance. I have read your atheist books and seen a lot of your Hitchens, Dawkins, and Barkers debate. Sec, Im responding to critics and it's call defense. No hard feelings.
By any remote chance have you ever a a rational thought??? Like say?? Maybe I should refrain from commenting as my comments make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!
I love these videos, they are so well put together and they deepen my love and understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If I may offer a bit of constructive criticism, though, I don’t like how tacky the thumbnails are. It makes it looks like clickbait even though it isn’t, and I think it’s a disservice to how great these videos are.
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Very good!!! Cheers
What’s with the music? The Book of Mormon have no historical evidence to it.
Thank you for this video!
Excellent video!👏🏼
Amazing! Thank you!
The Book of Mormon is true, this is a great video!
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Me and Mark Twain both had the same idea while reading XD I counted "And it came to pass" used 10 times on one page
Don't forget the Egyptianisms that are in the Book of Mormon, such as, "We turned our back to the land." That is a phrase that is unique to Egypt. It is not a hebrewism except where the Hebrews may have used it because of their close ties to Egypt before the dynastic period. It also sounds like phrasing is frequently used at the beginning and end of a commentary much like we use an Oxford coma today. Many of the chiastic verse are used in the earliest rendition of the Hebrew Bible. And some were redacted because of that complained about it being repetitive. However in the original Hebrew text they still remain.
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WOW! Alma means 'young man'... makes me think of Alma the younger... and 'hidden', Alma (Sr.) had to hide in a the rocks. Alma the younger... my favorite story, a lot like mine; but I didn't set out to destroy the Church, only it seems, myself. I'm grateful to be forgiven! Pulled from the jaws of death many times, and the gates of hell!!
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I want to make sure I understand the parallelism argument correctly. Is this the correct? Parallellism can be found in the English translation of the Book of Mormon; so therefor the same parallellism must have been in the original Reformed Egyption language version of Book of Mormon; and that's indicitive that those writing the Reformed Egyption Book of Mormon were influenced by Hebrew writing techniques.
I think you are correct in that understanding. As a member myself, I find it interesting of the possibility that this might be true. But the Book of Mormon (in my opinion) was never meant to be explained and believed logically but spiritually. You can always discredit evidence but you can never discredit that I believe that Christ is our savior and trying to live like him will make us better and happier people.
@@TheNyotis Thanks for responding. But if you are willing to discount evidence and logic, then what methods do you use to determine that your beliefs are actually true?
@@kenhilker2507 I wish I could talk to you in person and have a honest discussion with you. Sorry if this post is long to you. But this will do for now. I think there is a lot of evidence and great logic as to why God exists and yet there are atheists. Just like how Elijah and the priests of Baal argued about which God is the correct one and yet the people of Israel still wanted to kill him even after a miracle. The evidences provided in these videos I do believe are correct. But they are probably not convincing. But this is my argument. Evidence is not proof and therefore could be explained away. But If you want to know proof. I would read the Book of Mormon and ask God if it is true like in Moroni 10:4 It is true or it is not. I hope this all made sense
Nyotis Honest discussions are the best kind! :) Happy to chat! I'd like to repeat back what you said to verify I understood correctly. It sounds like you feel all the evidence that supports your belief can be explained away as insufficient by others, so you think that "asking God" (prayer?) is the best evidence that remains. Is that correct?
@@kenhilker2507 Well yes.
I would love to purchase a book or encyclopedia that details the research behind this video. Do you have any recommendations?
Gregorio Billikopf Check out the link in the video description. It’ll take you to a page where you can click “references”. There are a dozen pages of references there.
What is the importance of this subject for our understanding of the New Testament? It means that translators and expositors must take into account not only the common usages of Koine Greek, but also the peculiarities of what we may call “Biblical” or Jewish Greek. When we have good reason to suppose that an expression in the New Testament reflects a Hebrew idiom, then it should be interpreted as if it were “Hebrew in disguise.” In this manner we correctly apprehend the meaning of many words and expressions in the New Testament.
love love love this!
It takes more faith to believe Joseph was a fraud than to believe the account he gave of translating the Book of Mormon. His is the only logical explanation - he simply got too many things right!
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This interesting especially knowing Joseph translated most of the Book of Mormon with his face in a hat looking at a seer stone.
What’s your point?
@@dcarts5616 Her point is: Nearly every LDS Ward house has an artist's rendition of Joseph Smith seated at a table with a lantern and the gold plates next to him, while Joe is studiously translating the BoM (I.E., receiving revelation). Marcia's point IS: that artist's rendition of that supposed event (approved by a Prophet) is a complete FABRICATION!! If the LDS church cared AT ALL about "truth", that picture would have Smith sitting at the same table with a pencil in hand and writing what he allegedly SAW on the rock in his hat. That's according to an EYE WITNESS who SAW Joe "translating" with a rock in his hat. Hope that helps, D.C. Cheers!
@@daveyjones9930 yeah the image that is up is a bit funny. It has nothing to do with what we’re taught about other aspects of the translation process so I can see why many make this a tripping point to the authenticity of Joseph Smith and the translation. It’s very interesting that people do not take the time to read the released history (since the 1800’s) that already discusses the process used to translate, and what we’re told already during our Sunday school classes on how the translation occurred when it comes up during those lessons (very seldom). Frustratingly, I think people think the church is named the Church of Joseph Smith but it isn’t. It’s named The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because we believe in, follow, study, learn about and discuss Jesus Christ in church. We talk about His gospel, His commandments, His atonement, His love and sacrifice and how we are to get back to him. Joseph’s name comes up occasionally when talking about the restoration, translation of any records that speak about Christ, and some clarity given to forgotten Christian teachings that were restored via Joseph. But, Joseph’s name is not in the name of the church he helped be restored...as much as many of the antis want it to be it’s just not.
@@dcarts5616 I know the LDS claim is that Jesus founded the LDS church. All we have as evidence of WHO started the LDS church points to Joseph Smith. It's easy to make the claim that Jesus founded Mormonism when all we have clearly shows Joseph Smith, Jr. as the founder....so, it could easily be called the Church of Joseph Smith. (It's easy to make such a claim...because it is UN-falsifiable. What evidence is there to the contrary? CLAIMS are not proof... IOW. If you were to paste the name "JESUS CHRIST" on an outhouse or a whorehouse, would that mean those "houses" were divinely created?
@@daveyjones9930 We do not claim that Jesus founded the LDS church, its very clear what we claim. Jesus setup the outline of His gospel when on earth. We believe that church, its leaders, the fullness of the gospel was lost after He was crucified and his apostles were violently murdered. We do claim that Joseph was called to restore Jesus’ lost church organization to earth, when the original keys given to the apostles with Jesus being the cornerstone in His time being restored to Joseph to begin the new era of the fullness of the gospel. Hence the LATTER DAY SAINTS of the Church of Jesus Christ. Also, putting name of Jesus on a whorehouse is nothing like what we claim. That’s an invalid comparison. Proof is in every detail of the restored church; priesthood keys are there, correct teachings lost for several hundred years were clarified and are there, apostles and prophets called by God and leading the church via revelation are there, covenants and sealing are there, baptism by emersion the way Christ taught us by those of age is there, consistency is there no matter where you go in the world you see and hear pretty much the same teachings and I could go on. The ancient scripture that Joseph the prophet (like Moses the prophet and the Ten Commandments for example) translated into what would become The Book of Mormon is valid proof to any who will search with spiritual eyes and ears to the veracity of our claims. You don’t have to take our word for it. Just read the whole Book of Mormon from start to finish, meaning the ENTIRE book from the introduction through the the first book of Nephi all the way to Moroni consisting of all 531 pages that Joseph translated and you’ll see that there’s no whorehouse or outhouse behind the walls of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We believe in Christ, we Hope in Christ, we speak of and try to follow ALL of Christ’s communications with ALL of His Prophets in ALL of His revealed texts both historically, presently and those that are forthcoming. Try it: Moroni 10:3-5 3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
could it not be that biblical/hebraic experts at the time were aware of these hebraisms assisted in writing this and simply applied it to this book.
Yes it's POSSIBLE that experts contributed! But your explanation would have to be rather elaborate as to why these experts wanted to help "an obscure boy" create this book while remaining nameless. They wouldn't get fame or money from its publication. And according to the video (8min 30sec) several of the Hebraisms weren't known to scholars of the time.
Very well done. Thank you 🙏
Soo tell me this all of you LDS members. Think of the last time you heard anything about the body receiveing spiritual gifts that you feel inside your body. When was the last time anyone said anything about feeling these gifts inside their body? Now tell me,why hasn't anyone in our LDS Church talked about this kind of thing before? WHY DO WE NOT TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WE FEEL INSIDE OUR BODIES BC OF THEIR VALUE FROM FEELING THEM INSIDE OF US???? Why do we not talk about these things in our church??? We are suppose to bc we are suppose to use them as an example for the people that want to learn more about the church to convince them of it's truthfulness. WE ARE SUPPOSE TO OPEN OUR MOUTHS AND TELL PEOPLE THESE THINGS SO THEY WILL KNOW FOR THEMSELVES THAT THEY ARE REAL AND TRUTHFUL AND COME DIRECTLY FROM THE MASTER HIMSELF. We must speak truthfully about these things and the things that we learn. WE MUST SOO PEOPLE CAN BECOME APART OF THE LDS CHURCH TOO. IT'S SOO IMPORTANT TO DO THIS GUYS WITH EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GOSPEL. This evidence is soo valuble and important for people to recieve to know for themselves that the church is real and true. Why not open your mouths to attest to these things????
This is awesome, thank you!
Original BOM title page states "AUTHOR AND PROPRIETOR JOSEPH SMITH JR". His own hand attributed the fiction to himself.. Its been changed since to"translated" by Smith. Its a great novel, but it took over 7 yrs to create. Not biblical.
In order to secure the copyright, Joseph had to apply as the "author and proprietor." The fact is, Joseph Smith was complying with federal law (see I Statutes 124, 1790, as amended by 2 Stat. 171, 1802), which dictated the words the district clerk had to write when a person was taking out a copyright on a book. It can be demonstrated historically that many translators, including those who produced the 1824 edition of the King James Version of the Bible, were listed as "Author" to conform to this law. Besides, the 1830 edition also states that the book was a translation of ancient records. Even though Joseph Smith legally claimed his right as "author" he still inserted information making it clear that the text originated from an ancient, pre-written "abridgment" that came forth to the modern world "by the gift and power of God" and through an act of "interpretation" or translation. He indicated no less than six times that he was the translator of the text.
Really? So in order to "restore" the church , he had to copywrite the word of God? So, then whenever an archeologist finds a historic relic he must apply for a copywrite or patent on it? So when the Rosetta stone was found, and it allowed ciphers the ability to translate Egyptian (real, not reformed) hyrogliphs , the translations are copywrite protected by the translator?? Ridiculous on its face. Gods word CANNOT be a copywrite protected work of a man. Of course the Mormon man god person did yield to federal law with regards to plural marriage, so maybe.. No.. A copywrite only applies to original works and creations to protect authors and inventors from theft of intellectual property. Smith didn't care anything about breaking federal law, his theocratic commune and subsequent arrest and death can easily demonstrate that.
@@donaldsp360 It was the law, and Joseph compiled with the law, just like those who produced the 1824 Bible. Is the 1824 Bible less the Word of God because it's compilers had to file copyright? The first edition of the Book of Mormon contained a transcript of the secured copyright making this clear: Northern District of New York, to wit: "BE IT REMEMBERED, That on the eleventh day of June, in the fifty-third year of the Independence of the United States of America, A. D. 1829, JOSEPH SMITH, JUN., of the said District, hath deposited in this office the title of a Book, the right whereof he claims as author, in the words following, to wit: "The Book of Mormon: an account written by the hand of Mormon, upon plates taken from the Plates of Nephi. Wherefore it is an abridgment of the Record of the People of Nephi; and also of the Lamanites; written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the House of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile; written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of Prophesy and of Revelation. Written, and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed; to come forth by the gift and power of God, unto the interpretation thereof; sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by the way of Gentile; the interpretation thereof by the gift of God; an abridgment taken from the Book of Ether. Also, which is a Record of the People of Jared, which were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people when they were building a tower to get to Heaven: which is to shew unto the remnant of the House of Israel, how great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever: and also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile, that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting Himself unto all nations. And now if there be fault, it be the mistake of men; wherefore condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment seat of Christ.-By Joseph Smith. Jun. Author and Proprietor." In conformity to the act of the Congress of the United States, entitled, "An act for the encouragement of learning, by securing the copies of Maps, Charts, and Books, to the authors and proprietors of such copies, during the times therein mentioned;" and also the act, entitled, "An act supplementary to an act, entitled, "An act for the encouragement of learning, by securing the copies of Maps, Charts, and Books, to the authors and proprietors of such copies, during the times therein mentioned, and extending the benefits thereof to the arts of designing, engraving, and etching historical and other prints." R. R. LANSING Clerk of the Northern District of New York" It would be unreasonable if Joseph Smith were to apply for the copyright and assign "God" or "the angel Moroni" as the "author and proprietor". Your complaint is not a serious issue, but merely an effort to find fault. Besides, the 1830 edition also states that the book was a translation of ancient records.
@@donaldsp360 Have you read the Book of Mormon?
If he attributed the book to himself, why does the Testimony of Three Witnesses talk about a translation? What about the claims that an angel gave him the plates?
If the Book of Mormon has 116 lost pages of manuscript, is it a complete book?
The 116 pages were never recovered, that being said The Book of Mormon is still a complete book.
Thanks for the video - I like it. And I believe in many inspired aspects of the BOM. But since you showed that all of these "Hebraisms" are in the Bible as well, how can we know that the BOM doesn't contain these as well because Joseph borrowed the "Hebraisms" from the Bible? #honestandsincerelyseeking :-)
It's a fair question. The way to answer this is to see if he displayed such deep knowledge of such things. Being a very low educated farmer, and young, it's hard to imagine him knowing any of this. There's no evidence that he had such Hebraism books in his position to learn these things. There's no evidence that he had time to sit down and study it all enough. Even the scholars in that time weren't even recognizing these many of these things. There were only a few books about Chiasmus at that time, and just one published in the United States. Considering that he translated the Book of Mormon in only 90 days, it's even more impossible to think he somehow remembered all this stuff as he was dictating words to a scribe, with his head buried in a hat. Why didn't Joseph brag about Chiasmus and other parallelisms in the Book of Mormon afterwards? All this is evidence that he simply didn't know. This video, by the same organization that made the video we are commenting on, summarizes what I said. Remember, this is only about Chiasmus, just one of the paralelisms in the Book of Mormon. kzhead.info/sun/ibmAf9eri4OpgWw/bejne.html
Good take... This is my first time reading and it's tiring to hear things over and over again.
How did your reading go?
mc alleyboy Your reading probably mirrors mine. I read the Book of Mormon at least a dozen times, cover to cover and referenced it, as an LDS missionary and Gospel Doctrine teacher, *countless times* . I was no more impressed with it the 12th time than I was the first time! (But, like a brainless sheep, I went along with the Mormon crowd.) My favorite story was when God commanded Nephi to murder Laban (behead him) while Laban was passed-out DRUNK. (1Nephi 4) Very inspiring story! God commands us to not kill/murder...and then turns around and COMMANDS Nephi to murder Laban. WTF?? If you read the story, ask yourself how Nephi was able to get Laban's clothes off him without getting any blood on them? (I've butchered cows and pigs, and when you cut their throats the blood spews EVERYWHERE!!) And our morality is supposed to come from this Dufus god?? In what universe??
Davey Jones It was the only way. Nephi and his brothers had asked and Laban for the plates tried to murder them calling them thief's, they tried trading the plates with gold and silver and other presous things and Laban tried to kill them calling them thief's again taking their wealth when they escaped. Nephi didn't want to do it even. But it was better for One man to die then millions loose the chance for salvation and eternal happiness.
@@daveyjones9930 what a genuine comment! Thank you for your input, you’ve added new content to the comment section. Bravo.
@@chaseallen7499 Sorry for the delay in responding... :( RE: Laban's murder: *Humans* may conclude murdering Laban was "the only way". I'm sure that a loving God could have easily come up with several other solutions...like, perhaps, a heart attack or alcohol poisoning or even a covid19 virus! OR, God could have transported the plates of brass to Nephi, unbeknownst to Laban where no murder was needed....rather than laying the guilt for a murder on Nephi. One other thing that doesn't compute... Please explain how the brass plates would/could save "millions", who might otherwise "lose their chance for salvation and eternal happiness". IOW. Didn't the Nephites have living prophets with God's saving priesthood that could receive the revelation needed to do the job? If so, it seems to me books and "plates" would be unnecessary. If murder was the best solution God could come up with....He certainly DOES WORK in mysterious ways! :) Peace!
Thank you
I am a bit confused - the plates were written in Reformed Egyptian NOT Hebrew. We are told Reformed Egyptian was used because it was a more compact language. If you are going to carry the plates from Central American to New York via Manti, Utah then you want to reduce the size and weight by using a more compact language. Since LDS schools have not been able to find any Reformed Egyptian in either the old world or new world no one knows how well Hebroisms would have been preserved when the plates were written. Second, the Church now teaches that that Joseph Smith used a seer stone and hat to receive the revelation that produce the Book of Mormon. Check out the Church’s essays. The plates were not even in the room. (The Church’s essays are five clicks into the Church’s homepage so you have your work cut out to find them.) While the revelation/translation process is not fully known, if one assumes that the plates played a part in the revelations then that raises some issues. One issue is that the Hebroisms would have been preserved in Reformed Egyptian. Lehi’s group left Jerusalem about 600 B.C. While Nephi did get the brass plates, other writings would have been minimal. Mulek led a group from Jerusalem in about 587 B.C. They most likely brought little if any writings. Trying to preserve a language with minimal written materials is difficult. The plates were hidden around 400 A.D. During that 1,000 year period Reformed Egyptian must have played a significant role in writing or while else why keep it. The assumption that people would have only spoken Hebrew while keeping records in Reformed Egyptian may not be valid. Due to DNA evidence, the most probable narrative is that Lehi’s people can in contact with a large native population. Because the new arrivals had superior technology they became the ruling class and stayed the ruling class even after Christ came and all the groups became one people and live peacefully for 200 years. As the ruling class, the decentness from the Old World would have preserved Hebrew but talked to the native in new world languages. That would explain why Hebrew was not spoken by any native groups that encounter Europeans. Yes, you tell a good story but the story does not match with the store of how the plates were written or translated. There is no evidence that Reformed Egyptian existed in either the old world or new world. The plates were written in Reformed Egyptian not Hebrew. There is no evidence that any group in the Americans spoke or wrote in Hebrew. There is no evidence that any group in the Americans used a written language that was based on Hebrew or Egyptian. The only pre-Columbian written language was Mayan, which is not based on any other writing system.
Stop with the logic. You need to turn on your emotion to understand these things...
good stuff. I love the logic haha. I think you'd love Christian Apologetics... faith built with evidence. I love you!
Soooo...just wondering....J.S.’s dad being a pastor or priest (whatever) didn’t have any bearing on his ability to recall passages from the Bible? In his days there weren’t many periodicals readily available as there is now.
Joseph Smith senior was not a pastor or priest. He was a Christian, but did have much to do with organized religion.
What you call parallelism is just another version of chiastic first, something that Joseph Smith could not have known about because it wasn't even discovered until the 1930s.
Just beautiful !
It's time to speak up! My people the book from the dust!!!!
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And TO THE DUST it shall return...hopefully SOON!!
I thought they spoke "reformed egyptian"....
They wrote Hebrew in reformed Egyptian
Read the book. Then you will know how idiotic your comment truly was.
@@dalestanton8365 what a Christlike way to deal with criticism...
Well done!
the phrase "and it came to pass" means something, and that meaning is not "uh uh and uh then uh let me think of something good" for one thing, the meaning of the phrase "and it came to pass" is not 'And It Came to Stay' This idea of "It Came to Pass, not to Stay" is a great way to deal with what we might call our "troubles". When you are going through a hard time, just remember, it will pass. came to pass in the days of. Heb. v'yahi bemeyi: occurs 6 times it is a grammatical expression that foreshadows events. it always marks a time of trouble ending in blessing. Cp. Ruth 1. l. Isa. 7. 1. Jer. 1. 3. Est. 1. l. 2 Sam. 21. l (cp. v. 14). the phrase, "and it came to pass always marks a time of trouble ending in blessing. for a book that was supposed to be a condensed version of history transpiring over hundreds of years, it's really inexcusable that it took up so much space. even more inexcusable seeing as how god supposedly showed every word to joseph and god should know better. joseph smith used the expression way too much when he wrote the book of mormon.. 4000 errors in the original book of mormon. the mormon church has changed it, so they do not appear in the present salt lake city version. but there are 4000 changes which the mormon church made out of embarrassment. it's a hard sell when the church itself is so embarrassed about it that they had to make 4000 changes and then try to pawn it off as a great literary work or a work of god. plainly, the mormon church does not believe it came from god, or they wouldn't have made any changes to it. more to the point, the lay membership doesn't believe it either. for example: do you believe in One God Book of Mormon :Alma 11:27-39, 44; 2 Nephi 31:21;Mormon 7:7; 3 Nephi 11:27;Testimony of Three Witnesses or do you believe in Plural Gods Doctrine and Covenants:Section 121:32Section 132:18-20, 37 do you believe God is a Spirit Book of Mormon: Alma 18:26-28; 22:8-11 or do you believe god is not spirit? God Has a Body Doctrine and Covenants: Section 130:22 do you believe God Dwells in Heart Book of Mormon: Alma 34:36 or do you believe God Does Not Dwell in Heart Doctrine and Covenants: Section 130:3 do you believe one god created everything? One God Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 2:14; Jacob 4:9 or do you believe in Plural Gods Pearl of Great Price: Book of Abraham - Chapters 4 and 5 do you believe there was no Pre-Existence of Man as taught in the Book of Mormon: Jacob 4:9; Alma 18:28, 34-36 or do you believe in the pre-existence of man Doctrine and Covenants: Section 93:23, 29-33PGP: Book of Abraham - Chapter 3:18, 21-2 do you believe in Heaven or Hell taught in the Book of Mormon: 1 Nephi 15:35; 2 Nephi 28:22; Mosiah 16:11, 27:31; Alma 41:4-8, 42:16 or do you believe in three degrees of glory Most Saved Doctrine and Covenants: Section 76:43, 70-112 do you believe in Polygamy? it was Condemned in the Book of Mormon: Jacob 1:15; 2:24; 3:5; Mosiah 11:2 or do you believe you must pracice Polygamy or be damned? Doctrine and Covenants: Section 132:1, 37-39, 61 do you believe in baptism for the dead? it's not in the book of mormon: Book of Mormon: Moroni 8:22-23; 2 Nephi 9:25-26; Mosiah 15:24-27 in fact, moroni 8 says it's a mockery before god: [22] For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing -- [23] But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works i'm just real curious to see how a woman addresses the above problems. will she ignore it? will she bury it in a flurry of words? the door is open.
WOW!!!
I think Joseph found peyote in the woods not plates.
And yet, you don’t have one iota of evidence supporting your claim.
Has anyone even read an 1830 edition of the book of mormon? You will see the errors and the changes that were made since then is way different than the modern day book of mormon.
_Grammatical_ changes, many having to do with punctuation that wasn't included in the original diction. Iirc, there were only 12 changes between the 1830 and 1837 editions that actually changed the word's meaning, and 8 of those were correcting typos.
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw that doesn't makes it the most correct book then because it was supposed to come from god and god shouldn't make mistakes.
@@josem793 Truly an idiotic response from you Jose. God never makes mistakes....but he does allow people to make mistakes. "The most correct book on earth" references the doctrine and not grammar from a farm boy. Have you read The Book of Mormon to understand the doctrine. I'm betting that's a fat NO.
@@josem793 When The Prophet Joseph Smith said that, he didn't mean grammatically, he was talking about doctrinally.
.69 chiasmuses per page means one occurs on average on almost every half page.
In my own experience I have discovered that every word in the Book of Mormon is inspired. W I do a trick on people who are detractors. I say open it up and point at any passage. Then tell me what's wrong with it as they are stunned into silence as to what they are seeing.
Read my comment, and think about it.
There is a very scientific claim in this video with a very unscientific approach. That is, despite the fact that Joseph was taught the bible from youth and that hebraisms happen by chance, there is still evidence of Hebrew origin in the book of Mormon because of the sheer quantity of hebraisms. Firstly, there needs to be a satisfactory approach to what is significant enough to constitute a hebraisms, then simply compare the amount of hebraisms found in the book of Mormon to those found in other books that attempt to mimic the style of the bible (of which there actually are many). You see how you have made only stated a hypothesis (that the sheer quantity of hebraisms is evidence of its ancient origin) and then assumed that the hypothesis proves itself?
Anyone is free to look through the sources in the further reading (on BMC's blog) and decide for themselves whether or not they feel the Book of Mormon's Hebrew features, on a case by case basis, are authentic and to decide how likely it would be for someone like Joseph Smith to have implemented them all. Click on References below the video in the following link: bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/watch-hebrew-evidence-in-the-book-of-mormon
If the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets in "REFORMED EGYPTIAN" (as the book itself claims), why/how would there be ANY "Hebraisms" found in it?
@@daveyjones9930 That is really dumb! The reformed Egyptian characters were the written script while the language and literary style was still Hebrew.
@@JD-pr1et No. What's dumb is making an assertion, as you did, with ZERO corroborating sources listed----which is what would be expected of someone who is merely fabricating a baseless apologetic EXCUSE. IOW. How would that be determined (reformed Egyptian characters...while the language and literary style was still Hebrew), when there are NO EXAMPLES of "Reformed Egyptian" to analyze? Clearly you don't know what yer talkin' about. That comes from your *presupposition* that the Book of Mormon/Mormonism is error-less and came from God.
@@daveyjones9930 Davey, I think a better way to think about it is that even though the Bible has been translated into English, the Hebraisms still exist in the English text. The same thing would have been true of the reformed egyptian.
Joseph smith put his head in a hat to "translate" the book of mormon. His currents pledge followers put their head in a hat to find that the book of mormon is true. It's a beautiful symmetry.
The vast majority of Mormon beliefs are not found in the Book of Mormon...
Please explain how someone could come up with this many hebraisms in a text while dictating while looking into a hat. I'd like to see you try it! Based on the evidence, I would say it is you who is burying your head in the sand.
Well now this video has gotten me all excited about learning Hebrew so I can read the book of Mormon in that language. But I can't find a Hebrew book of Mormon anywhere! Where can I find one? Do they even have a translation of it? Why wouldn't they?
Because it's fiction.
Joe claimed he translated it from " reformed Egyptian" (no such language, just in case you were wondering) plus "the Angel" took the plates back to heaven! Ah ya, how convenient was that!! So where do you get a Hebrew BOM from?? Really?? No wonder you swallow this malarkey so readily!!
Thank you soooo much. I feel the spirit . I know what you are speaking is true. Delightful days are coming. So excited for the Second coming of The Savior Jesus Christ.
Read my comment, and think about it.
A very well researched and professionally presented video. Now that the LDS church has published essays on Joseph Smith's polygamy (see LDS.org), perhaps you could, now, turn your meticulous gaze toward this thorny subject. Of particular interest, to both church members and non-members alike, would be the exact number of wives Joseph had (official estimates state that there were between 30 to 40); how many were already married when they became a wife of Joseph's, and if any of them were 14 years old at the time of their marriage to Smith. Also, his relationship with Fanny Alger might merit scrutiny; Oliver Cowdrey certainly had some thoughts on the matter, as did Emma Smith. It's a broad and bewildering area of debate that will undoubtedly benefit from the forensic skill that you have so clearly demonstrated in your presentation. Every blessing, Adrian.
Technically, they were only sealed together. This was not a legally binding marriage, they never went further with their marriage and years later when she was older she married someone other than Joseph Smith.
You're constantly talking about Hebrew literary styles and features, but according to Joseph Smith himself, the Book of Mormon wasn't written in Hebrew. It was written in Reformed Egyptian, and thus your entire video makes no sense. It's a completely different language
They wrote Hebrew using reformed Egyptian characters. Scholars have found evidence of Jews around the time Lehi left Jerusalem writing in demotic and hieratic Egyptian characters but using Hebrew.
@@tylerahlstrom4553 Can you give me a report or a study where archaeologists have found Hebrew speaking people using Demogic/hieroglyphic writing?
Direct quote from 1 Nephi “Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians.” His record includes the learning of the Jews.
@jonathantaylor8770 But when the Church is confronted with the fact that no Native American languages contain traces of Hebrew, they say it is because reformed Egyptian evolved into a different language. Which is it then?
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Excellent video, thank you! Please put together a video with only Joseph Smith's personal writings and testimonies of the Nephite and Lamanite lands, in the U.S. as that is the only location Joseph Smith ever testified the Book of Mormon lands are/were.
I'm surprised to see the folks at “Book of Mormon Central” still claiming that things like cognate accusative, negative questions, construct state, compound prepositions, and adverbials in the text represent significant evidence of the antiquity of the Book of Mormon because they represent uniquely Hebrew syntax. I remember being taught such things in my classes at BYU in 2001, but at this point I can’t see putting any significant weight on such things given that we now know that Gilbert Hunt managed to have all this same Hebrew syntax in his 1816 book The Late War simply by mimicking a biblical style of writing. In fact, the same things show up in the 1833 version of the D&C called the “Book of Commandments” (see New Approaches To The Book of Mormon, Appendix A). Thus, as evidence for authenticity, such things are simply not very significant at all. Chiasmus isn't very powerful as evidence because people can pull it from all sorts of texts if they try to (although the Book of Mormon's repetitive and redundant nature make it a particularly great source from which to construct them). To illustrate, people have found them in other modern writings such as those of John Taylor, Gilbert Hunt, or even the LDS gospel topics essays. Jared Demke has a website that gives all sorts of examples. James Strang's Book of the Law has a great example in its first chapter. Another really great example is Don Winegar's work identifying many of them in the Doctrine and Covenants. All of this suggests that these things can very reasonably be attributed to chance and the ability of humans to identify and construct patterns when they want to. Everyone seems to ask "but what about Alma 36," since it's a particularly long one. They feel this one can't be due to chance. Some studies designed by the Edwards brothers concluded that this chiasmus could not statistically be attributed to chance. But of course the data they applied their math to was first based on a lot of assumptions that are very much debatable. Earl Wunderli has a great article that makes some very valid points as to why their established criteria was problematic, and why this chiasmus is in many respects something that was squeezed or constructed out of the text by Welch (who first proposed it). And before you dismiss Wunderli's take without giving his reasoning serious consideration, you should note that even believing scholar and defender of the Book of Mormon Brant Gardner has gone on record stating the following: "After examining the evidence, I take Wunderli's side in concluding that the extended chiasmus of Alma 36 owes more to Welch's construction than to the plate text..." (The Gift & Power, pg 199, see footnote 7). Another believer, Blake Ostler, acknowledges that this chiasmus isn't impressive as evidence for different reasons. He notes that they contain elements that identify their content as modern in origin (he calls them "expansions" that were added by Joseph during translation). He notes: "Chiasmus can also be found in some nineteenth-century works, including the D&C. Thus, the assumption that chiasmus is an exclusively ancient poetic device appears to be false. Further, many Book of Mormon chiastic passages presuppose a doctrine of Christ developed beyond anything found in the Old Testament." (The BoM as a Modern Expansion of An Ancient Source, p. 100-101). I'm afraid that this video and many others from BoM Central are going to leave people with a very overstated sense of the power of this evidence.
Taking each point individually, I see where you're coming from. Many of these Hebraisms could have happened either by accident or by studying the Bible. I acknowledge that. However, though BMC may overstate the evidence at times, it's just as much a mistake to understate or downplay the evidence, as you seem to be doing. It isn't that these things come up just once or twice. It's the fact that they come up so frequently and consistently. Combine that with how Joseph Smith wouldn't have had the same education as Gilbert Hunt, who owned a print shop in New York and also wrote poetry (which may have helped him pick up on certain Hebrew literary techniques). Combine that with the time constraints Joseph was under, the scrutiny of translating in front of people without notes, and the sheer length of the Book of Mormon, none of which make much sense if Joseph were writing this himself. Combine that with the complete internal consistency of the Book of Mormon, despite having 377 uniquely named places and people. The evidence for the Book of Mormon is there. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but to say there is a lack of evidence is to overstate your own case, by far.
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw I appreciate that you concede that at least taken individually these Hebraisms can absolutely be attributed to chance and writing style. In my opinion the Hebraisms can all be very easily attributed to chance even when looked at all together, and even when considering their number. They occur in other modern books. They occur in the D&C, which suggests they don't indicate anything special. Some of them may occur in more frequency in the BoM, but in my view that is because the BoM not only tries harder to sound "scriptural," but is also particularly redundant, making it easier to construct things like chiasmus out of it when none was intended. Gilbert Hunt's education level compared to Joseph's isn't really relevant when discussing Hebraisms because the whole point is that nobody had to be aware of any of these literary forms. I don't believe that Gilbert Hunt was aware of them either, but they show up in his book. They just occur by chance in their styles of writing which resemble a scripture form of writing. The other issues you raise aren't relevant to the video, but are different topics, but I'm less impressed by them than you. I think Joseph had some unique gifts when it comes to speaking and storytelling. Gifts that you and I perhaps couldn't replicate, but some others could. Similarly, I'm a pretty good guitar player but still can't fathom how some people play what they play. It seems impossible to me (and perhaps is for me and my genetic makeup and talents). But just because it seems impossible to me and is extraordinary doesn't mean it has to be attributed to a divine being or a miracle (again, especially in light of what I see as very clear evidence of 19th century creation that far outweighs the kinds of evidences you're mentioning). In addition, Joseph had six years from the time he announced the BoM until the time he dictated it. In my view he was preparing in various ways during much of that time (I'm not saying he had any sort of complete written manuscript, just that he'd done a lot of preparation of various kinds--some of it not even directly related to the BoM when originally engaged in). Witness accounts tell us he'd go to the woods to "pray" when he couldn't translate anymore, and he could have used these times to go review an outline or just formulate more material. This is too big a topic to take on here, but hopefully you get a feel for where I'm coming from.
Connor Smith it’s explained by the plagiarism from books with it and they style copied. How does it explain changes made to the KJV bible in the 1600’s appearing in the golden plates? Or how no nephite lamanite or jeridite civilizations existed in America ect... look at all the problems and add them up
BoM central believes that the BoM events happened in Mesoamerica. That is not true; hence they can hardly come up with evidence. Joseph Smith and colleagues and successors always taught that BoM events happened in North America. That said, would you consider it powerful evidence if I told you that non-LDS archaeologists have found in Native American burial sites skeletons still clad in metallic armor and clutching metallic weapons, such as swords? The BoM mentions such armor in the land. What say ye?
@@shawnbradford2243 buddy, there are tons of archaeological evidence for the BoM, just not in Mesoamerica. Jospeh Smith and colleagues and successors have always taught that the BoM happened in North America. That is where the evidence is. The BoM says the Nephite and Jaredites had metallic armor and weapons. Well, non-LDS archaeologists did find skeletal remains in Native American burial sites clad in metallic armor and clutching metallic weapons. That is one of the many evidence they have found in North America.
You seemed to of left out the Egyptianism elements, the primary example that comes to mind is when they were leaving they made the comment that they were turning their backs to the land. That is a unique structure used by Egyptians. Being that that's where Lehigh had been trained as a scribe. Much kind of nation of the Book of Mormon comes from the concept of reformed Egyptian. That was a poor choice of words as the script probably used Egyptian and some Hebrew symbolism as well as more simplistic symbolism such as I hand in certain positions or a foot to connote application or to stand or walk. Others point out that Native Americans are not Hebrew and some disputations have occurred as to the origin of the Native Americans. Know where does the Book of Mormon state that all of the tribes of Native Americans are Hebrew. All that is clearly evident is that these are stories of these specific tribes, and the fact that they had increased in number while in the land. Although some church members have asserted that all of them are remnants of Israel that very well may not be the case. But the fact that many of the tribes engaged in Hebrew practices, even according to William Penn they followed the Feast of the Passover and the Festival of the Tabernacle.
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This is indeed a very compelling and under appreciated argument in favor of the Book of Mormon's authenticity. However, it does fail to take into consideration the fact that Joseph Smith was not alone during its alleged translation, his accomplice Oliver Cowdrey was allegedly inscribing the words Joseph Smith read out loud to him. Oliver Cowdrey was associated with a the author of a book called "Views of the Hebrews," a book that was published before the Book of Mormon came into fruition which bears grammatical and thematic similarities to the Book of Mormon. signaturebookslibrary.org/view-of-the-hebrews-2/
Beyond pure speculation based upon your circumstantial evidence, there is no indication of a connection between View of the Hebrews, Oliver Cowdery, and the Book of Mormon. In other words, it's just a claim you have, with no evidences. The historical records seems to indicate otherwise. Oliver was only 20 years old. His records show a standard upbringing. He never knew Joseph Smith until a day before beginning to translate. He had only heard of Joseph through Josephs family just a bit prior to meeting. Furthermore, have you even read the View of Hebrews? Beyond a few similarities that are easily explained by their biblical similarities, the books approach such a topic very differently. It's funny that critics still hold to the "View of the Hebrews" claim, when it's not even provable.
@@zandersturgill Besides, Joseph Smith had already written 116 pages before Oliver Cowdery came into play.
HaveGotToGitGud Yeah the 116 pages were lost. So Joseph had to start from the beginning with a new translator he had never met before. And this time the story was different. Also, it wasn’t really 116 pages. That’s just a label he used for convenience. And the 116 pages were only a small percentage of the entire Book of Mormon
Have you even read the "View of the Hebrews"? I have and beyond being one the most boring and badly written books I have read, it bears very little in common with the Book of Mormon. By the way, why would Joseph Smith later site the "View of the Hebrews" if that was the book he plagiarized?
Then, Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer and two others are so excited about the Book of Mormon that the set out on a mission to the American Indians in Missouri in the the worst snow storm ever recorded in history for that region. That doesn't sound like a huxster to me.
Well, honestly... Is more likely that Joseph Smith copied the King James characterístics
And added some stuff of his own.
Have you read the entire Book of Mormon starting at the introduction, continuing to Nephi and ending with the last page of Moroni? Can you tell me what the resounding theme in its 531 pages is?
@@suigeneris2663 And some how got all of ths to work correctly while reading out of a hat.
What about the pigs?????
Have you heard of Javelinas?
It seems mark twain wasn't as smart as he thought he was.
I forever thank GOD the Eternal FATHER & GODDESS the Eternal MOTHER, for restoring, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, back on earth.
Hey! According to Joseph Smith AND the Book of Mormon itself, the Book of Mormon was written in "Reformed Egyptian", *NOT HEBREW!!* Therefore, where would Hebraisms come from?
There is no such thing as reformed Egyptian. Mormonism is a cult, always has been, always will be. The Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the Mormon church are not the same. You have been deceived like millions of other people.
@@peggymattie5191 I know that. I was merely repeating what Mormonism teaches. (I was a Mormon for many decades, now a "Foremon"...a Former Mormon.) Regardless of the fact that "Reformed Egyptian" doesn't exist, the Mormons say it was NOT WRITTEN IN HEBREW....and have never made that claim. That means the BoM could not contain ANY "Hebraisms", if it wasn't written in HEBREW! This demonstrates the IGNORANCE of the author of this info. When bullshit like this is spread it damages the credibility of REAL, KNOWLEDGEABLE RESEARCHERS who take pride in accuracy when challenging Mormon dogma. We don't need to fuel the fire of Mormon rejection of all critical material by spreading MIS-information like this. I think it's amusing to see Christians attacking Mormonism when their own history is so flawed. It's more than amusing. It's hypocritical. It's Judgmental....something Jesus taught AGAINST!! *YOU* are the one being deceived.
@@daveyjones9930 I am not deceived, if you don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible You don't have eternal life. It is really very simple. YESHUA said, repent or perish. The choice is yours.
@@peggymattie5191 YOUR BOOK says "believe in Jesus or perish". MY BOOK says ALL will live with God...and don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING! *God didn't make no JUNK!!* The "choice" is NOT MINE, nor anyone else's. God NEVER gave his children (US) clear instructions on what to do to attain eternal life with God....therefore, no choice is available, OR INTENDED!! Do you stone Sabbath Breakers, adulterers and homosexuals? YOUR BOOK says THAT is what you are supposed to do!! Do you stone (murder) disobedient children? YOUR BOOK says you should! Do you cover your head while praying in church? YOUR BOOK says that's what you are to DO!! You don't follow your Jesus OR your book, do you? You're a PRETENDER!!
@@daveyjones9930 There is only one way to eternal life and that is through repentance and believing in Yeshua Ha MASHIACH=Jesus=Period. John 14:6=Yeshua said, I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. So you see, he is the only way. That makes you wrong and the God of the universe right. There is no other door to Heaven, he is it. YESHUA also said in John 10:26,27=you DONOT believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.🐑
Mark Twain wrote the most overrated book of all time.
0 wait so they actually used used the Greek word Christ in ancient Egypt?? Which translated into king James English by magic stones?
No, but if the Book of Mormon translated the Lord's Name to Messiah Yeshua you would use it to claim we aren't teaching of the same Christ since that isn't his English name.
Nephi specifically states that an angel revealed this word to him in 2 Nephi 10:3, of how the world would call the Messiah in the latter days.
The Hebrews of the Old Testament they repetition the Lord, with prayer? They were many tribes, people of Egypt, when Moses took is people from the Farrells, they fled to Jerusalem 40 years wandering in the desert.
Soil Builders Grower's: Heres an interesting point... The Saints exodus from Illinois to Utah was in an almost straight line(Jeremiah 31) and they settled in a land with an inland salt sea(Like Israel), and it took 40 years for the Salt Lake City Temple to be finished! There are many curios things that the LDS history has in common with biblical prophecy.
Smith was poorly educated, but very smart. maybe he just had a feel for the biblical style of writing and used that to write the book of Mormon. that's what I think happened.
read an original copy of the book of mormon. you will see for yourself it was written by a country hick that actually thought poor grammar gave the book a "folksy" feel.
Maybe satan was helping...
@@johnrowley310 Satan wouldn't want you to come unto Christ or repent of your sins.
It didn't "somehow get preserved in the English translation". Joseph Smith and colleagues had access to the King James Bible, and then used it for writing the book of Mormon. That's why there are similarities between the two.
very few similarities. The narrative of The Book of Mormon and the Narrative of The Bible are different.
Except that he had no access to a manuscript or book of any kind when dictating the text, according to the witnesses.
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, the only, TRUE CHURCH.
Yea its true alright, just ask Satan...
@@johnrowley310 Your negative comment shows your extreme hatred for, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. You have a restless Spirit/Soul. Your restless Spirit/Soul, is a result of extreme rebelliousness and lack of knowledge of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, the only TRUE CHURCH.
Written by a 14 year old... give me a break. I don't know the Book of Mormon is true from these things. I know it is true because I asked God and He told my soul that it was.
This kindof sounds like the video is saying Joseph Smith didn't have access to a English translation of the Tanakh.
There is no True Church There is only One Gospel The Gospel of Jesus Christ Believe in Yeshua . With all your mind, Might and Soul. He came for us He died for us And Christ broke the Chains of Death and ascended to the Father the third day. So we could able to be in heaven. As long as we have Faith that Jesus is Christ . He is all powerful He is our Lord and Saviour . Yes be baptized Time is almost up That
Hi Bin Ren, Nice to read of you again. We agree with you. Christ did break the chains of death. We should have faith in Him and we have been baptized by one with authority so we are good! : )
Ahhh the truth...
The amount of cognitive dissonance it would require to just poo poo all this evidence of the Book of Mormon kind of baffles me TBH
Joseph Smith was imitating the scriptural style of the KJV Bible, so of course you’re going to find construct states, negative questions, etc. A contemporary example of a known non-ancient text that was intentionally written in the KJV scriptural style is The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain. This book was distributed in schools around the time Joseph Smith was a boy, so he would know about it. The First Book of Napoleon is another example of being written in the scriptural style, the first chapter reads just like the BoM.
The book of mormon has no ground in the history of America, cities that don't exist, animals that didn't exist in America, Jews never were in America at that time, and the different theology reading in the 1830 version of the Book of Mormon and the later editions, where we see a change into polygaism, and exaltation into becoming a god, and much more that is attacking God's word in the Bible, where God says he is from eternity to eternity, and there is no other god before Him and will not be formed anyone after Him. And that Jesus existed as far back as you can go, before time existed, and nothing exist without Jesus, not a single atom, yet, Mormon church believe the opposite, because the Mormon teachings changed, from Trinitarian faith, into falsehood, polytheistic and lawbinding, where Jesus sacrifice plays one role beside the ordonances of the Mormon church, where you need to do certain things, to fulfil these other rituals that have nothing to do with grace, yet they are required in order to become a god one day, even if that contradicts Jesus words, that we will be as angels. Much more can be discovered how fals the originator of Mormon's church was, how he was inconsistent and a false prophet, and did evil things. Mormons go by their testimony, and disregard every evidence of the past, and every thing that speaks against Mormonism, since none of those cities named in the Mormon's book never existed, and so on, and on, and on....
Remember this. The Book of Mormon is not a lie if you believe it. George said this to Jerry.
Joseph Smith History 1:33 "(Moroni) called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni; that God had a work for me to do; and that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people."
Very cool
Jesus Christ asked His disciples a question concerning His identity. Peter answered correctly. But the key of the lesson is how Peter came to his conclusion. No man told him this. Man can not be trusted. Whether educated or not. All men and women have the capacity to lie. It is only through the light of Christ and Holy Spirit that one can receive an absolution to such a question. Every other choice is subject to change. Though exciting and very entertaining to watch the educated debate, it all vain. I feel like I’m on a roller coaster that goes up and down and in circles, truly going no where. So, have fun.
see we have known that the book of Mormon is true because of the spirit of God that resides in it, not because of these recently discovered Hebraisms. This is just proving to Christians that the book of Mormon is the word of God although they will still reject it.
They reject it because the Book of Mormon contradicts the bible. I'm not a Christian by the way
No gold plates to study. Can't confirm anything...
No matter what people say the book is true , even if you are a none believer you will be impress if you read it .
Prophet's of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, ADAM-MALACHI-JOSEPH SMITH-RUSSELL M. NELSON.