Writer Coleman Hughes Explains What Started the Israel-Hamas Conflict
2023 ж. 19 Қаз.
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Taken from JRE #2049 w/Coleman Hughes:
open.spotify.com/episode/6gr1...
Taken from JRE #2049 w/Coleman Hughes:
open.spotify.com/episode/6gr1...
Dude never explained why the conflict started.
"One of the most Jewish things you can do is reject Jesus Christ."
@@slimgrim996 and spit on Christians, own banks, control the media, and abuse a child
But Jesus was Jewish lol@@slimgrim996
Don't matter, both side did horrible shit in the past. Looking at the past and pointing at fingers doesn't make the future better.
Because he supports the jewish
We should all agree that news agencies need to be held liable for misinformation.
You can. Turn them off
Most misinformation on the internet is not from mainstream media.
That could quickly turn into nobody saying nothing.
>people understand that news agencies are lying >people still believe all the war propaganda BS they read in history books
How about Coleman and fellow critics are held to account. All the NYT headlines I've seen have 'palestinians say ' in the headline informing the reader it's an accusation not a statement of fact
Speaking of respecting the International laws, why Coleman wasn't asked about the settlers?
international law violation... hmmm a certain group rhyming with ramas comes into my mind, but apparently people simply living in empty areas is a warcrime... sure
Do you think he would have said "The settlements are perfectly fine?"
The settlements are not fine but they are also in the west bank, and the dispute is not as clean cut as people are being lead to believe. Israel are buying land off Arabs. They can and do prove that. The dispute is that doesn't give them the right to raise their flag (and I agree, it doesn't).
There are no settlers in Gaza.
@@mmuser9137where are they?
Wow that was actually a stellar explanation of the judicial reform controversy over there. Bravo
yeah i was surprised it was that accurate
That was a very, very good summation. Agreed.
Agreed, though he left out one crucial detail. The American supreme court does not get to appoint their own judges, or veto nominations. The Israeli supreme court does.
@@snakey934Snakeybakey The Israeli supreme court is too powerful and I say this as an Israeli who is generally against the massive reforms that this current government has pushed forward. I think some of the reforms suggested make sense but the way they were presented (as well as the absolute trash we have in government/the Knesset) makes me very very wary of what the actual goals are (for instance - saving Bibi's skin from all the charges against him in several cases).
@@shtroizn Bibi's skin was already saved. The truth is we've never had a good government. Ben Gurion before 1948 was extremely unpopular in Israel and seen as a British collaborator (because he was) our first election was just him seizing power while all of his opposition was away fighting. It is my hope that we can change this and eventually get the government we deserve, but the biggest obstacle in the way of that is the Supreme Court.
If you’re gonna explain how this conflict started, it might be helpful to go back further than just 2 years…
Why? This conflict is going on because of what occurred recently and as far as going back further than two years, it wouldn’t prove either point because both have committed atrocities. 🤦♂️
Its because if you go back to the beginning of Israel and Hamas its all a chess game and proxy war using both sides as human meat so there can be perpetual war meaning perpetual buisiness opportunity.
Did he state the conflict only began 2 years ago or that the planning and organization of an attack started 2 months ago? Slow down there guy, you might be thinking too fast
Years*
😂 Hughes is just reading straight from Israel’s talking points and propaganda
No matter which side you support, we can all agree civilians should *NOT* be targeted
"Can" yes but do they? No
If you know the history of "Israeli civilian" families you will see that, apart from the babies, no one there is innocent. These are people who moved to live on property stolen from Palestinian families
Israel is about a Jew state - the civilians have always been the target.
@@fernandosouuza3881Sure, the Palestinians are paragons of peace.
@@fernandosouuza3881it was the Israeli land to begin with. Don't fall for the islamic propaganda.
The root of this issue is that one side wants the other side to no longer exist.
By one side, you mean the one side that’s genociding the other side right?
wrong. The root of the issue is Zionist Jew Israel colonized Palestines and oppressed the indigenous Palestinians
Yea. Israel wants to delete palestinians from the world
Ya Israel has been slowly culling the people of Gaza and West Bank for over 50 years!
Wait, but is he not gonna mention that the supreme court thing in israel is also about natenyahu trying to get out of the major corruption charges against him, he was tryin to change the constitution and that’s why people were angry
🤫 Let the dumb people like Coleman continue speaking and please don’t interrupt
This might be accurate, but as someone who lived in Israel, but not a Bibi fan, there is a lot more to it then that. The judicial system is messed up in many ways. For example, in Israel, when you retire from the supreme court, you pick your successor. Also, the supreme court can overrule any law the Knesset passes for no particular reason other then they don't like it. The real issue is that Israel doesn't have a constitution which leads to the judicial and parliamentary issues they face today. I do not agree with Bibi's version of reform, but there should be reform.
@@mmuser9137thanks for taking a minute to share a sophisticated view.
The judicial reform was suggested by both Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz, the opposition in the past. They just changed their mind because there has been a very obvious 10 year witch hunt against Bibi, who led Israel's GDP growth from 125 Billion to 525 Billion under his leadership. Anyone who thinks Israel would have done that under the socialists is a total dunce. His trials ended up with zero convictions and several being thrown out.
@@mmuser9137 That is not true. The supreme court is choosen by a committee with politician (from both sides), the lawers association and current judges. The new judge need to be approved by the government. I'm also not a Bibi supporter + I'm a don't support the reform, but I can understand what the right wing want. The supreme court checks the legality of every new law based on other Israeli laws.
"if you dont read the news, you're uninformed. If you do read the news youre misinformed" -Denzel Washington
This is a very old saying often attributed to Mark Twain (questionable).
That's deep
Well said
That's why it's important to do research, open books from the previous century about history, during a time that bias had no place. I went to the library because I am a jew and I wanted a fresh objective perspective both for myself and for the people around me, I have learned a lot from it. An example would be how jordan and Egypt owned gaza and the west bank until 1967, even though it was previously part of the Palestinian state
@daleplant5275 white man always did it first, said it first etc
A 27 year old podcaster that has a bachelors degree in philosophy. And people actually think he has the answers.
Yea wtf is this. I read the title and immediately thought this is kinda irresponsible to act like this kid is an expert.
He was right in everything he said.
@@Kevhoethank you Islam is the false religion that's a fact. Ben Shapiro has the facts. These terror symps have no idea what they're defending they're just judging with emotions
@@iamthetruewalrus3947The hospital was never attacked it was a parking lot nobody passed away. They did this to get more sympathy and to riot all over the globe. These people don't think like you and I. Their version of peace is eradication of all infidels. This guy has no platform to speak. Ben Shapiro does.
Yep. I also feel that I’ve wasted some time here. Regrets
Hughes is trying to tread carefully and possibly have a more nuanced conversation, and Rogan here sounds like a high as a kite grandpa philosophizing about nuclear wars and tribalism instead of asking follow-up questions to what Hughes mentioned or challenging biases or moving the convo deeper into understanding. I’m really disappointed at an opportunity missed considering the potential for an actual discussion and how important it is for our general understanding of both geopolitics and local human struggles. Seriously, Joe dropped the ball here. Joe’s the host with the most, and he’s not prepared on this topic after all the noise.
Nuanced discussion? "Hamas is evil, Israel is good" 😂 This guy is a doofus. He's just repeating Israeli/Western talking points. You can't be that intelligent or curious if you can just repeat one side's talking point and pretend you're educated about the subject.
Joe is afraid of the pro-palestine movement, and doesn't want to lose that part of his fanbase. If he dug deeper into this conversation he would have to concede to a lot of facts that are denied by the so called pro-palestine movement.
Perfect comment!
@@fz7694 and what does Joe bring to that good/bad dynamic? Where is he probing and challenging? Not only is he not listening deeply enough to have follow-up questions, but then he just goes on a monologue rant like any other bozo. He wasn’t prepared for this topic and instead of silence, Joe added blabbing.
Hamas is evil though, this is a fact. They are as evil as the Nazis ever were. Whether Israel is good is a matter of opinion, and is highly subjective. We know what Hamas did on oct 7, and what they want to do given the chance. We also know what Israel could do if they wanted. If Israel had the same desires as Hamas there would be over a million dead in Gaza with mass rapes thrown in for good measure, Israel has the capability to pull an actual genocide, not a fake one Israel is acused of. So we know shat Israel could do if it wanted to exterminate the Palestinians. This is quite black and white when it comes to this war. The only reason you refuse to see it this way is simply becasuec the Palestinians are militarily weak and Israel is not.
How does Mr. Coleman feel about the conditions of the Palestinians prior to the attack by Hamas? Also Israel, supposedly, has the world's best surveillance equipment and personnel that it's strange they didn't know this attack from Humas was coming. And supposedly, Egypt warned Israel 3 days before the attack.
Beware well spoken black nerds lol
hamas takes all the money gaza recieves. they dont care about their residents there that's why please open your eyes
We were willing to give up on our security for semblance of the possibility of peace, and regarding the conditions in gaza, Palestine receive billion of dollars from UN FOREIGN aid and American aid, yet no schools have been built by thr elect regime hamad, no hospitals either, the Palestinians live in poverty while there leaders live in luxury in qatar and turkey, Israel is the oly country in the region that opened the gate to allow Palestinians to work in Israel, up to Oct six 130000 workers were granted visas and able to provide a much better life for there families, ask yourself why egypt syria jordan and lebanon have not offered any help or refuge. Btw its other arabs that kill Palestinians assad regime have killed more then 1 million Palestinians with mustard gas
@ohadgutman5557 Even if everything you stated in your reply was factual, why does that give Israel the right to carry out genocide?
we had warnings about 9/11 too ...
He only went back 2 years. This conflict is older than him. Anyone else noticed how careful he's being?
Shut up. He laid down key points why this certain terrorist attack happened. Which started being planned 2 years ago
You notice how your just some guy who is not even remotely considered informed enough to be invited onto the largest podcast in the world
not sure he wrote the title tbf to him.
75 years of oppression, free Palestine
Ya I can’t believe he said Israel is the good guy? Wowwwww
The comment section will be a dumpster fire. Where is Ja Rule when you need him.
😂 classic chappelle
He is with Irv Gotti at the Fyre Fest 2023 lol
WHERE IS JA?!
Who gives a f what ja rule thinks at a time like this!? I don’t wanna dance im scared to death
MONICAAAAAA
Begining at around the 9:17 time mark Joe was asking some really great questions.
Only thing we learned from WW2 is how profitable war is. And here we are
I'm very impressed with how Joe Rogan always tries to find quotes because he doesn't want to misquote someone. He also gives people the benefit of the doubt . He is a true fact checker and keeps an open mind. It's very refreshing in todays media and podcasts. Thank you, Mr Rogan, for that.
Cis the topic is sensitive 🤡
@kingoftheworld12 yes it is... I'm referring to the entirety of the podcast that was almost 3 hrs. Unfortunately alot of ppl don't see war or conflict as a sensitive matter. Have a awesome day 😎
Comparing a resistance group to a terrorist organization is pure ignorance.
Haha Thats funny!!!!
Rogan a fact checker hahahahahaha???? The dude is the sloppiest researcher there is. He has quoted outrageous sources before.
Malcolm X said "The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent.”
I know from my family what Gaza is like that visited there last year, Apartheid prison.... the news can tell you otherwise. Im from South Africa, and i know Apartheid.
They don't call it "WHITE-washing" for no reason 😂
@@mrb2643I visited there last year as well and didn't seen any signs of a "apartheid prison"
And We are witnessing it right now on earth.
@@JFK762 What goggles were you wearing? I live in the region. And I've been. And I have friends on both sides. Out here, both Isrealis who have survived the brains-wash and Palestinians acknowledge - it's apartheid by a different name. Never mind what the Palestinians say - read Israeli reports - Paled, Finkelstein, or Pappe?
It would be great to see an interview between colour blind Coleman Hughes and Trevor Noah. I think it would be extremely interesting. He did not touch on anything substantial in this interview regarding the start of the Israel-Hamas-Palestinian conflict.
Love how he cherry picks the 'facts' he's going to present, and he talks about things as if he were an eye witness.
“Historical events are never fully understood in the heat of their own time, but only at a great distance, after a cooling of passions.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Russia 🇷🇺 #1
Yeah...we get to learn the lies of the winner later on, cause the other part is silenced or dead.
Agree but people can't bring up what happened in 1948 without bringing up the fact Roman's kicked out the jews out of isreal first. Histroy will favor isreal everytime.
That’s why they’re pushing us to pick a side and ACT NOW!
Isn't the framework of Hamas "Kill all Jews" a good enough understanding of the conflict?
He explained and didn’t really look at the roots of the conflict at the same time. Plus despite his thoughts on the how Hamas pulled off their attack, he’s avoiding the deeper issues between Israel and Palestine
Actually he's not. The high security, walls...etc are coming from a place of, you want to destroy and murder us, and if there is a single breach, you will massacre as many of us as you can. And guess what, that's actually what happened.
How deep do you wanna go? ... this is a rabbit hole and no one is innocent. I spent 3 yrs as a grad student researching conflict.. it's matryoshka doll of misery and othering.
I do agree its extremely convoluted and messy, and lots of factors play into it. But I do think Coleman Hughes does a very good of highlighting the reality that Israel isnt occupying Gaza. Spending time as a grad student is no proof of anything, Harvard students struggle to recognize that Israel isnt occupying Gaza.@@ashishsaxena2612
You wanna go to pre British mandate? Pre Palestinian civil war and Nakba? Guess what they dont care that is exactly how the US was build so they cant say it is unfair they see Palestinians lost a war so lost land and it is what is . Looking just at the present both hamas and isreal government are trash . The only one wanting peace is the west bank .
@@ashishsaxena2612 if it took you 3 years researching the conflict and your conclusion is that no one is innocent then get back to studying, Palestinians have been treated horribly since 1948. What do you think happens when you constantly torture a nation? They fight back. Just like slaves fought back against their masters in America. You want peace? There can't be any peace if there is no liberation. Slaves in the plantations were peaceful, but still enslaved.
Man, his explanation of the judicial reform is on point
Not completely accurate, it's way more complicated. The supreme court always could block the government's decisions when it contradicts the law, the problem begins when the supreme court cancels the government decisions even when they have no law to back their judgment. Which many in Israel perceived it as unlawful and undemocratic.
There is no solution to this because this is a religious battle for THE Promise to Abraham. This is far deeper than politics.
Praying for all the children involved in the conflict
yeah it's so sad that 500 Palestinian children were killed and 40 imaginary Israeli babies were killed
100
“Didn’t we learn anything from WWII? Didn’t we learn anything from the Holocaust?” We did, for a time. Unfortunately, as the generation that experienced it makes their final exit, those lessons are swiftly being forgotten and it appears events are culminating in a way that we may relearn that horror.
Spot on... unfortunately VERY spot on
The irony is cosmic.
Actually we didn’t really learn about WW2 #one nation under blackmail
We're primates and have always acted like this.
Nope we lost ww2 and gave power to the "bankers"
Wow, I understood logical think from Thomas Sowell n Robert Woodward but Hughes is way to young to have so much perspective! Thanks for having him on and he never used the F word once!
The conflict didn´t start october 7th, i´m glad we´re having a civil discussion about this.But there´s far more acusations then just killing civilians, there´s purposefully mass starvation as a weapon of war, total destruction of infrastructure( buildings that had nothing to do with hamas) and other things.
Well, maybe you shouldn’t cheer and praise God as rape victims dead bodies are paraded through the street.
@@MrJpmoneypants That's the excuse to starve babies and children? Maybe that'll just create more extremism?
@@MrJpmoneypants You say "you" as in Palestine is a whole unite entity like a conscious.Babies starved slowly mate, there's no excuses for the israeli army cabinet.
@@TheMATHEHOUSE there’s no baby starving, and if there were, it would be completely Hamas’s fault. 100%.
@@MrJpmoneypants You can´t commit war crimes agaisnt our humanity and blame it on a terrorist group who also comits war crimes, there´s supose to be a deference between a democracy and a terrorist group. Honestly anything that hamas did, pales in comparasion with what the IDF did.
Keep it up guy ..Ull have the job at CNN in no time !!!
Exactly....the kid is an idiot with an agenda clearly. Is saudia arabia or Dubai a death cult? They have sharia law. Is Malaysia a death cult? They have sharia law. This guy really does not know the religion or history well. My only guess is that he is a secret apocalyptic Christian doomsdayer that actually believes in that prophecy called rapture. which would make him turn blind eye to all of what Israel does so long as it brings his Jesus back.
CNN credibility is beyond reproach.
😂😂😂
Haha how this guys changed the media.. I've always heard the media is saying it was not Israel. Now, he is saying that the media is saying that. He is definitely here to defend Israel. He is trying to avoid speaking something. His words are so controlled.
CNN hates truth though.
This is one of the biggest problems with having a 24-hour news cycle. Everyone wants to be the first one to tell the whole story, even if they only have a few unconfirmed fragments of the story to work with. By the time any corrections are made, the public is already passing around an inaccurate narrative.
But the bad guys that can't be trusted told me to trust them....
Smart people already factor this into their propaganda plan ;)
Mind Begs the Question: If Israel - bombs a Church If Media - censors,hides that news Media - Fair or Zionist Controlled?
well its better than not having news sources and not knowing
your mom is one of the biggest problems with having a 24-hour news cycle. so
A few years from now, I'd like to know what he thinks about what he said here. 3 weeks after, so much more information, so much more evidence, so much more lies and deceits, and exposure of some. I wonder if a couple more years would look different. I sure hope so.
Dude is the most accurate articulate human being in his half of the globe it's astounding.
You're lying
😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
So we know his KZhead handle now, it's @orcale52. Either his or his mommy's 😂😂😂😂
If Joe doesn't get another person's perspective on this I will be very disappointed
Can't handle the truth?
@@Reisher can’t handle bombings of hospitals
Who would you like? An ISIS rep?
Agreed. This guy is an ersatz “expert” 😏
Just because you didnt like that Coleman didn't align with your own facts doesn't mean Joe needs to bring a second opinion on the show
Wow. As someone who isn't an expert on anything, this video gives me hope that one day, even I might end up on the JRE!
Lmao
Yooooo. This 🤣🤣🤣
So true, this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Very superficial knowledge, glossing over facts and is biased.
Lmao, 💯‼️
Jre needs to pretend dumb so people don’t think he’s a threat.
Look at like an “other” never once heard it described so perfectly thank you JOE
His explanation relatively good. I'll just add that the criticism on Israel's Supreme court is not limited to it's position regarding the Palestinians and not only from the Right.
I don’t think Rogan understands anything lol
I was thinking the same thing. I’m like wtf is Joe talking about…
He's trying to. That's why he's having these conversations bozo
Its not about getting the story right. Its about getting the story first. These big corps know they wont be held liable because of fog of war. Truly disgusting and shows wisdom needs to be in the hearts of everyone now more than ever
I agree but its not just the big news corps, its pretty much every single independent pundit too.
Boycotts are needed how else does one hold news outlets accountable
He is basically brainwashed. He says that Israel receives Palestinians for work, then he says that Israel has laws of war that it follows, then he says that the terrorist groups made a mistake and blew up the hospital. First, Israel is an occupier. Second, the Palestinians have the right to self-defense, just like the right of the Israeli occupation. Third, Hamas is not like ISIS. It does not want a Jew to remain on the land, rather it is only against the occupation. Fourthly, Israel is committing war crimes by bombing homes and buildings. Finally, this is not the first hospital that Israel has bombed, and it has warned the hospital to evacuate many times. Israel is a state created by Satanists. The religious Jews are against this state. In fact, the years of brainwashing have actually succeeded in their work. You must know that Israel terrorizes the Palestinians daily. The Palestinians live in the largest cage and the largest prison in the world. They are imprisoned inside a large land. Lucifer is leading the battle against humanity. Wake up.
Denzel
This or delivering the news for the highest bidder
this is what a classical and sane liberal american sounds like. kudos to mr. joe rogan a real american at heart
Coleman Hughes is right on just about everything, except for the supreme court. The Supreme court in Israel is not like the supreme court in America, where judges are nominated by different presidents. The Israeli Supreme court nominates its own judges. They are 100% radical left.
No way joe had this guy on to explain to him the last 2 weeks of a 70+ year old conflict
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@@alexthurman6808 then I’ll have nothing to keep the fireplace going
Guy is a clown lol. Has no clue about anything
Seriously! Neither informed nor involved. Wtf Joe.
This here, is one of the problems, why stop at 70? Let's go BC, read your Bible
Piers Morgan is unironically the only one bringing on proper guests
exactly.. I get my history and context there from a variety of sources.. not from Coleman Hughes hahahahaha
@@devinmichaelroberts9954 it’s crazy, especially when these kind of people make crazy remarks with no push back.
Not true dude legit said he's on israel side
Coleman Hughes is totally ignorant on this matter and he is clearly biased to one side. Many information he said is clearly wrong. Israel is recruiting content creators for $2000 a show to spread lies. JRE is a failure by hosting this imposter. come on Rogan, u can do better.
@@KamaiyahFurriends I’m saying it’s funny how someone like him brings on great and well spoken guests from the Palestinian side
It was the FIFTIIETH, 50th, anniversary of the Yom Kippur War, the War in October, 1973. It was a symbolic attack as well.
Nice to see Lewis Hamilton without his steering wheel
He didn't explain the conflict. He explained "how " the attacks happen
Exactly. And he is obviously taking sides
The mainstream narrartive being played on nearly all news stations I've seen is singluar and lacks any nuance or complexity involving the history. A solid 70% of people, I'd guess, have no clue the full context of either side. In a world of propaganda, consider the source twice, and believe it not at all; trust is the luxury of the uninformed, and in this arena, ignorance is your adversary.
Perhaps the title is wrong
Maybe Israel would open the gates if you stop blowing up busses, nightclubs, pizza joints. That's right, go back and look at that history. Ironically, Egypt will not let the Arab Palestinians cross their border either and the residents of Gaza have Egyptian blood.
@@Conntrailed they did start the occupation. You're ignorant on this matter. And you're okay with childrens being killed for "self defence"? Imagine blaming the rape victims for fighting back. Disgusting. Everyone can see the evil of israel
It is not started, it is lasting sinds 1948...
Lol, it's a historical fact Roman's kicked the jews out of isreal first.
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo And what? were the Roman's muslims?
@@SamuelMills-ez4jono one cares about the romans. Get over it
Where’s the Canaanites when you need them
@@SamuelMills-ez4joWhat are you talking about? The Bible isn't human history.
Si, great content as always!
Best explaination ever
Bro... you telling me an army couldn't see bunch of people coming in with motorbikes and paragliders.... and were able to kill and kidnap and bring hostages into gaza
They 100% would have known what was happening and they let it for some reason. Palestinians getting into Israel and making it back to Palestine is absolute nonsense unless they let them.
They were roaming in Israel for 6 whole hours before IDF were set out. This was a false flag event simple
@@celticbarry9877 conspiracy nuts are the worst. I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job? No government is infallibe. You know why -- because all gov'ts are comprised of humans.
When they say "little knowledge is dangerous"..... This is what they mean
Exactly, everyone saying "free Palestine " need to do some educating
@@mostlyshorts7462 So " No free palestine"?
Fair to say 5 months later that this intelligent and pragmatic young chap probably has revisited and revised his viewpoints on his “good guy, bad guy” narrative.
“The first casualty when war comes is truth”
After his viral interview with Pierce Morgan a few days ago, Bassem Youssef would be a great guest to bring on the show in these times for a fun discussion 😉✌
bassem is a troll
Hamas will burn.
Bassem is incredibly informed as well as entertaining
He's charismatic for sure because he's a comedian, but his understanding of history is 'convenient' to put it mildly. Piers Morgan is just worse in every metric by comparison. Piers also deliberately lies to generate KZhead click bait that center around his 'lies'... fool knows he's generating traffic every time he makes people mad.
@@babygiant6362 Even my Egyptian friends hate him. They see him as a lying liberal. He also lied about what Egypt did to its own Jewish population. It didn't matter that the Jews of Egypt were more anti-Zionist than almost any other Jewish population in the world. It didn't matter that the Jews of Egypt were more integrated and successful than anywhere other than perhaps the U.S. The Egyptians still blamed them for the supposed crimes of Israel, confiscated their property, killed hundreds, falsely imprisoned tens of thousands, and expelled them.
It started 75 years ago. Not October 7 2023
It actually started 104 years ago. April 4th, 1920 was when the first shot was fired.
Thanks.
Everyone needs to take the time to read a book and learn about the history of this conflict.
Which one? I think that is what started all this so maybe we shouldn't.
Problem is it's not black and white. Everyone has their bias
The more you read, the more you learn that the reason the Arabs lost so much territory is because they launched and initiated multiple wars against the Jews throughout the 20th century. You can’t start wars and complain that you lost territory when you lose. Unfortunately it is a consequence. The Jews in Israel is not the result of an invasion, but the result of defensive victory against an aggressor.
@@stevend481It is. Palestinians don't want to live next door to Jews.
@@stevend481no, it's pretty simple, actually. Invaders wrong, oppressed right.
You’re forgetting the part where Benjamin Netanyahu is facing criminal charges and is trying his best to avoid jail time. This entire judicial reform is actually about him not going to jail and keeping his seat as prime minister. He had to surround himself with crazy extremist sycophants and give them whatever they want so that they would continue to support him. I feel like it’s important to keep in mind. Most of Israel wants him gone, even the people who used to follow him religiously.
Jewish people are not even indigenous to Israel from both a genetic/historic perspective and from a religious perspective. 1: Its pretty much common sense just look at the Israeli population itself they are far from a homogeneous group to be called one people in fact Jewish from Europe, Africa, Asia are closer genetically from their respective area not to the middles east. 1.5: out of the 3500 years of the holly land existence the Jewish population only held that land for 500 years. That land was crafted by Romans, Christians and Muslims. Before the Jewish population it was controlled and still is by Canaanite populations which are your Levant populations( Modern day Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and some populations in Jordan ) 2: From a religious perspective Abram is the first Jew and Abraham was from MODERN DAY IRAQ, he and his people traveled to Egypt. Then Moises was promised the holy land and by the way in the ancient testament the Jewish peopled committed GENOCIDE to purify the land from the polytheist Canaanite.
And that made Hamas go on a homicidal rampage? Netanyahu must feel so privileged that Hamas would resort to beheading babies to distract from his charges?
@@YA-kr4frMohammed was a child rapist right? Marrying young girls. 😅
So you’re saying massacring Jews and Israelis in general is justified in our time? Just remember that Hamas has nothing to do with Palestinian freedom and are USING THEM AS HUMAN SHIELDS to make YOU more sympathetic to their cause. I don’t know where you’re from but be sure that after Israel, they are coming for you too.
Yes many of todays “Jews” be they Israeli or not, are not original descendants of the land Romans once occupied and called Palestina, and Israel.. many of them are converts who have an ancestor or ancestors who married a Jewish person a became Jewish…BUT the same goes for MANY MANY MUSLIMS.. from Pakistan to the Afghanis and other central Asian nations all the way to Türkiye were once worshippers of many other different religions like Zoroastrian (what Iran used to be for 3,000 years) or even Hindu.. the reason that ANY country aside from Saudi Arabia worships Islam is because they were CONQUERED by the Saudi’s who established religious caliphate everywhere they occupied and gave the ppl one choice “Islam or death” so IF the Palestinians want to claim that historically they have always been there they should also recognize the part of history where they were not Muslims either… long before the Saudi armies marched in and spread Islam by force.
This didn’t age well, particularly the point about the hospitals
How did this guy even come on that podcast?
Joe Rogan invited him.
I like his confidence when he talks about the good and the bad .. i also like his confidence when he is talking about the hospital, but what i liked the most when he talked about Isreal is respecting war laws. Sometimes, i feel you guys live in the multiverse ..
Fr I was like HUH??? Israel has a history of what now? Cus literally they have bombed hospitals for 80 years bro
@annaisnotdum3337 i can't believe he said 50 people, a guys was holding a bag with his shuddered babe and yet they still lie, they just thought they would get away with it this time, but when the footage went viral, .. it had to be done, so no one asked who gave this missile to Isreal a few days earlier, and ironically, the BBC who released the footage of 2014 (not aljazera) failed missile was the same channel who reports 2 days earlier that were tunnels under the hospital .. Anyway, we used to that, and their disgusting lies are over the place anyway.
Israel has committed so many war crimes for 75 years that it’s too overwhelming to mention.
yeah looking at the number of dead kids yeah you really seem to live in the multiverse
Really? How many attacks on hospital can you confirm? Did you know 2 missiles hit barzilay hospital in israel? Did you know we did not bomb that hospital?
Dr. Norman Finkelstein is the foremost US expert on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Dr. Finkelstein has never been interviewed by Joe Rogan, but was recently interviewed by the Jimmy Dore Show. Now would be the right time for Joe to interview him.
im guessing he backs up whatever view u hold right
@@kevbarker8108no sh*t sherlock!such a stupid thing to say!when people think someone make good point, recommend him to others. no one said "joe, invite that guy in your podcast, because he dont know what he is talking about and he is wrong!"
@kevbarker8108 and. He is right, but that is besides the point. Joe has always had on a variety of views. Why not now. He can also invite the biggest zioniest out there; stiff competition. It seems they are all zionist.
norman is mentally ill for sure.
i have no horse in that race, but it is really important to her voices like Ilan pappe or Norman Finkelstein, Ilan pappe is a historian btw. I mean it is fascinating that Netanyahu can just make claims like e"Palestine was barely inhabited, and all the people came later on", an often repeated narrative...but now have genetic data, genetic distance to Israelites(recently published...), population tracking...also regardless of that almost all countries back then were less densely populated, if u look at the data u just realize that its propaganda...or at least lets discuss it...but no, there is no honest discussion.@@kevbarker8108
He seems so confident about what he is saying for a back office man.
Greatly explained! Thank you.
I can already smell the disclaimer from Spotify
Joe should invite Bassem Youssef. He was amazing on Peirs Morgan
peace love unity and respect is the answer
Excellent video! I had been leaning toward more complex reasoning of how Israeli missed this offensive coming from Hamas. Coleman eloquent delivers more of the Occam’s Razor explanation than some complex and deluded conspiracy theory. Ty Coleman and Ty Joe Rogan!
He is wrong or bribed reason Palestinian people are suffering real owner of land
Hamas don't have these rockets again lying
@@OrficeMagmar Hamas was created by israelis so that their own fed people intiate this kind of war and give Israel reason to occupy rest of land of Palestinian
@@talhaejax8589ye right f... Off their land??? Loool since when palestine has rights that shit is not a country at least on my eyes well ppl are suffering ohhhh their fault let a terrorist organization run the country tell who start the war on 7th of October????? Cmon stfu the workd is now supporting terrorist is crazy thank god us and loads of other countries support Israel
@@talhaejax8589Israel left Gaza in 2005, you genius. And the Palestinians voted for Hamas in 2006. Honesty, it’s bad enough you guys are experts in playing the victim card .. just shut your hole.
"Israel wants to generally respect what a war crime is"?
Thats when I was like oh this guy's full of shit
that was a hilariously incorrect comment, cannot believe he actually said that
Yeah. I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell, too.
Israel has been committing war crimes execution style for DECADES but you won't hear about it because the media blocks it.. They continue to displace Palestinians from their homes and land their ancestors are buried..10,000 Palestinians born in Jerusalem have no legal status because their parents hold different ID cards and Israel will not register them. They have no legal rights. Majority of Israeli's are Eastern European-- There is no such thing as Israeli Couscous or Falafel, or Tabbouleh but they claim it there's too just like land. The pressure cooker of decades of oppression has burst.
Yeah. You know when the IDF killed 1500+ civilians and video taped themselves desecrating the bodies. Oh wait…..
How did the 500 people get killed in the hospital if the missile didn’t hit the hospital at all??
Hamas gladly sacrificed them with their failed missle. Unfortunately this is what they do use humans as shields and kill their own.
There's plenty of videos showing hospital parkings full of people..
It was free parking.
send a link@@vladimirkalugin7287
there werent 500 people killed, that is the point
Not bombing hospital policy? Heard enough of him
Palestinians have been radicalized by their living conditions. They have never had a significant conflict before being colonized and displaced.
Read about Black September. Read about why Kuwait deported all Palestinian people. Not radicalized my god
@@papercityvlogs4325 black September was in the 70’s that is after Palestinians were colonized, massacred, had their bank account seized, imprisoned without fair trial, tortured, harassed. My point still stands! The Palestinians have never had a single major conflict before being colonized by the Israeli state. They are peaceful people. Like Obama said “their living conditions are intolerable “
Out of all ppl to ask about the war this is the guy lol
What’s happening now is absolutely insane, but not surprising unfortunately. The media has played the major role in this issue also
And who are the ones that controls the narrative? The Zionists have pretty good hold of the news..
the entire comment section is filled with IDF bots too, as well as youtube censoring comments. thanks Joe !
How about developing a Charter? I have had these discussions with some friends. These do take time. Canada's Charter was only entrenched in 1981. Yeah, Canada's Charter of Rights & Freedoms is younger than I am.
coleman hughes is a really smart man
Up until September 2021, the United States had used its veto power in the United Nations Security Council to protect Israel from sanctions or resolutions critical of Israel's actions at least 41 times, out of a total 83 times in which its veto has ever been used in UN by US.
100% Israel and US habitually violate international law. So, pretending as if this is a both sides issues completely dismisses who is actually responsible.
Yes syria didnt got 1
I'd like to see who were proposing these sanctions. The UN has a lot of countries who hate Israel but are not critical of other countries doing the same or even worse human rights violations.
Yeah united nations that is full of so many Muslim countries using sheer numbers to vote Israel as abuser of human rights constantly. Saudi, Iran, Yemen, Egypt Türkiye, Syria (that are bombing their own people by the way) and Palestine the enemy of Israel mots ?Muslim countries always vote against Israel . Yeah those nations voted that and you think UN is credible? . Such unbiased vote don't you think? Sarcasm by the way. Not to mention China and Russia and their allies. But yeah the united nations like anyone gives a damn what they think.
@@pipemajormcquinnon3055 Saudi, Iran, Yemen, Egypt Türkiye, Syria (that are bombing their own people by the way) and Palestine the enemy of Israel ?Muslim countries always vote against Israel and never admit their own faults. Saudi violate human rights every single day but they never mention it. Muslim countries always vote in favor of one another and against Israel.
This dude already made up his mind who is good and who is bad in this situation of war😂😂😂
Jewish people are not even indigenous to Israel from both a genetic/historic perspective and from a religious perspective. 1: Its pretty much common sense just look at the Israeli population itself they are far from a homogeneous group to be called one people in fact Jewish from Europe, Africa, Asia are closer genetically from their respective area not to the middles east. 1.5: out of the 3500 years of the holly land existence the Jewish population only held that land for 500 years. That land was crafted by Romans, Christians and Muslims. Before the Jewish population the and was controlled and still is by Canaanite populations which is your Levant populations( Modern day Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and some populations in Jordan ) 2: From a religious perspective Abram is the first Jew and Abraham was from MODERN DAY IRAQ, he and his people traveled to Egypt. Then Moises was promised the holy land and by the way in the ancient testament the Jewish peopled committed GENOCIDE to purify the land from the polytheist Canaanite.
he is in the denial
@@YA-kr4frfirst of all- you are absolutely wrong about genetics and that is sad. There is a clear jewish gene hereditary to the same ancestors, second, we are closer to our palestinian cousins The bond of the Jewish people to israel is not only historical, it is cultural, religious linguistic and genetic. For 2000 years we speak of the deportation from israel, the exodus from egypt to israel, the rebellion against the empire (hannuca), in our wedding ceremonies we say “if I forget jerusalem I will forget my right hand, and my tongue will stick to my palate”, for 2000 years we pray towards jerusalem (muslims pray towards meccah), our name is jewish as in judea - judea and sameria, one of our mourning days and fasting is the day the temple was destroyed, there are numerous evidence of deportation from israel, of constant jewish presence in israel despite that, the name palestine is roman and is derived from the name plishtim which are an histroical enemy of the jews - used by the romans to humiliate us. We speak the language of the bible, revived and modernized, you can read the same words written in ancient pottery found in the region, we share costums all around the world from morroco to ethiopia to eastern europe to the United States, are we not a people? I do not deny the fact that Palestinians live and will continue to live alongside us, but if the jews are not indigenous to Israel no one is, to deny our history and culture is to be against indigenous people, returning to their homeland.
It's easy to make up your mind when something is so obvious. He doesn't need more time or evidence to think about it...
Sounds like you have to… 🤔
Didn't age well for Coleman, bring Norm Finkelstein, he can run around in circles with this guy
I really want to know if after 132 days now of this genocide toward Palestinians if this guys still thinks and feels the same way.
Define "Genocide"
Funny how he can’t even hide his bias…🫠
JOE REAGAN AND RANDOM WESTERN PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER TALK ABOUT MIDDLE EAST... U KNOW NOTHING, LITERALLY NOTHING It's like 1+1=2 here that palestine is on the right. the dude is saying hamas wants islamic state like isis???? well nah u want a christian state like the ku klux klan?? or a christian state like melting babies in hiroshima and nagazaki.. like don't ever mix islam with isis. but hamas???! they literally treated hostages professionaly and according to islam. not a single baby beheaded or woman ra**ed as u claimed. xD!!! google tantura massacre (look what idf soldiers say), der yassin massacre.. the 1920s hagana... @ 10:15 what???? xD! israel is the good guy because it doesn't nuke gaza?! woooo thank u israel for not doing that what a good gentle guy u are... xD i mean yes israel can obliterate palestinians in the gaza strip but what kind of a cowardice shameless way it is to nuke them. They don't wanna look bad in the eyes of everybody.... otherwise they would've done it. they are already targeting kids and hospitals xD!!! they are the good guys xD!! HAHAHAAHAHAHHA
Who said he’s trying to hide? I appreciate him being straight forward about it. It doesn’t change the facts of his argument but it can motivate you to weigh it more carefully.
@@mikefromoh2925he was soooooo close. decided to jump off at the very end lmao. sorry.
I agree. I was with him, till he jumped.
i stop at when he said israel is know to know the policy to do commit a crime war
You'd think news media would be more careful in their reporting considering people already don't trust it. At the end of the video when they were talking about the hospital bombing, the media was showing images of a destroyed building, but as it turns out, that wasn't really the hospital. That's one more thing that annoys the heck out of me with news media. The images they show us are NOT even related to their talking points. We will literally never get the WHOLE picture when dealing with the news. It's so annoying.
He is basically brainwashed. He says that Israel receives Palestinians for work, then he says that Israel has laws of war that it follows, then he says that the terrorist groups made a mistake and blew up the hospital. First, Israel is an occupier. Second, the Palestinians have the right to self-defense, just like the right of the Israeli occupation. Third, Hamas is not like ISIS. It does not want a Jew to remain on the land, rather it is only against the occupation. Fourthly, Israel is committing war crimes by bombing homes and buildings. Finally, this is not the first hospital that Israel has bombed, and it has warned the hospital to evacuate many times. Israel is a state created by Satanists. The religious Jews are against this state. In fact, the years of brainwashing have actually succeeded in their work. You must know that Israel terrorizes the Palestinians daily. The Palestinians live in the largest cage and the largest prison in the world. They are imprisoned inside a large land. Lucifer is leading the battle against humanity. Wake up.
dude, the operation room's roof fell off, try to listen to the doctors who were actually there and not the media, they don't have Access to gaza cuz it's an open prison
You want the whole picture? You can see it LIVE if you want from reporters over there in the field. You can literally see hundereds of piles of dead bodies (men, women, and mostly children). You can see people crying, people who have lost their ENTIRE families. I saw one girl who have lost 17 familiy members in one night. Parents are writing the names of their kids on their legs so that people know who they are if they were mutilated by bombs. Thats the sad truth. Thats the truth the media won’t ever show. Israel is crying over a 1000 israeli dying, including soldiers? Well palestinians are crying over more that 5000 woman and child being MRDRD.
Israel took credit for the hospital bombing immediately after it happened. The tweet from their bureaucrat got deleted and it took 18 more hours before they released a statement claiming it was an 'errant hamas missile.' Good rule of thumb if you live in america is that if the news is saying Israel did nothing wrong, theyre almost always lying.
The solution is simple: stop watching mainstream media.
The way to stop war is easy. Offer another business to the defense industry that pays just as well or better.
Thank you for the brilliant guest! Finally someone with common sense and well informed!
I know right. And knows how to explain. Really clearly and calmly
Joe you didn’t even grill him. Abby Martin showed you the reality of Gaza and you literally let this guy lie in front of you.
Unfortunately, Abby Martin is a brainwashed propagandist.
Yeah exactly what I thought, he’s just listening to him like it’s the first time he heard about this issue
Lol Abby Martin is the queen of bad faith. Along with dummies like you, she believes that if Netanyahu and all jews pack up and leave the land tomorrow, Hamas would stop hunting jews worldwide.
I dont think hes listening too hard, probably stoned and appeasing his guest.
This is why I hate the Joe rohan show. Joe hardly ever pushes back on any bullshit
I love that the NY Times isn't actually investigating claims before it prints a click bait story. I love that reporters have to go to college to be lazy AND wrong. Think that they take a class on it?
Well the NY Times did their Best to cover up the Holocaust from FDR orders during WW2. Sources: The Abandonment of the Jews --- David S Wienman Buried by the Times --- Laurel leff Beyond All Belief --- Peter Lemesurier NYtimes report 1851 to 2001 ; 150th Anniversary --- Turning away from the Holocaust published in the NY Times, November 14, 2001. Max Frankel
The new york times was right.
@@dmolmalowski No they weren't. They were proven wrong. The hospital is still standing.
With the Free Press having the responsibility it does in an open free society, you would think the journalists would have to get some sort of accreditation like a lawyer, passing the bar or something along those lines. Any schmuck with an opinion can call themselves a journalist at this point, until we rectify that things are just going to continue to get worse.
@@dmolmalowskinope. They are 100% wrong
So what about Palestinian ppl ? No one mentioned that
3 weeks old. Reporting information changed.
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” ~malcom x~
Best thing I've seen all day. Thanks.
@@lu77xiaojun37 yw!!
Now watch as someone use this same quote to support their own agenda, we must be careful
I'm officially convinced there's a bot that auto-posts this quote under every video that has Hamas or Israel in the title
@@truckingt1896 Many pro-Israeli people have been. Malcolm was a huge supporter of Palestine, having visited there and learning the oppression they have and were experiencing. He wrote an essay called "Zionist ‘Logic’" in 1964 that explains his thoughts on Zionism. People should also read Einstein's 1948 letter to the New York Times, signed by many prominent ex-Zionists as himself, who left and denounced Zionism after the Deir Yassin massacre committed by Zionists, warning of the dangers of Zionism.
Joe rogan needs to remember his conversations with Abby Martin.
Why?
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Starts out great but going quickly downhill since 9:50 😑 u cannot tell me with straight face that netanyahu want peace 🫣
lol he said they have a policy of generally not bombing hospitals 😂 there’s literally dozens of hospitals and refugee centers that have been bombed in the past decade alone
1 month later and it's apocalypse in Gaza. Coleman is talking crap
Bring as guest Norman Gary Finkelstein.His an American political scientist .His fields of research are the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the politics of the Holocaust
I was thinking the same thing. Hughes is not an expert on Israel/Gaza, so why even have him? His opinion on this is as valid as any grad school dropout you will find at a bar during happy hour.
he's one of the biggest pseudo-intellectuals i've ever had the displeasure to listen to. Along with Noam Chomsky
Do you think he’s going to see this lmao?
@@dand2810 🤡
But can you have that’s non-biased and tells the facts w/o favoring either side.
Few things he missed out on: - In the absence of constitution in Israel (because Greater Israel project has not yet been finished), the supreme court is the only checker/examiner on government actions and laws made by the gov and its majority controlled parliament. in other words there is no limits to the gov and its parliament. - The talks about H@mas doing this to ruin a Saudi deal wont be possible since they've been talks only late this year 2023 and H@mas started planning in 2021. - The hospital was bombed by Israel, independent investigations from many international bodies confirmed this including US parties. 471 people were killed.
It’s a war coalition of left & right not just the right! Bennet is with Netanyahu. I wish this guy knew more to be more accurate!!
Hilarious how people are treating war like a football game 😂 which side to "support." Yea bro, your social media post is really supportive
It's people using this war and deaths for attention and clout money. And people like drama it's sad
Exactly! My opinion? If you stand "with" Israel, then go stand IN Israel. If you stand "with" Palestine, then go stand IN Palestine. It's easy to say you support one side or the other inside the comfort of American borders.
What if we just want Peace and stop the killing. I just dont want anyone oppressed or to live in Jail and I don't want anyone killed and living in fear. You can't ignore and look the other way when childern are being killed from both sides
@@mood5598 peace? Ha! That's hilarious. You know why there will never be peace in the world? Bc there's no profits in peace.
@@two_legit1832 99.9% of the people who support palestine and Hamas have never even been to gaza or Israel so they dont know anything they're just fed with lies and propagandas
Joe, bring someone who really knows how this thing started. It is not 2 years old story, its almost 100 years old.
Almost 100 years? So going back to 1947? Or perhaps 1918 when the Ottoman empire broke up at the end of WWI? Or how about rough 1,400 BCE, and the exodus of the Jews from Egypt across the Sinai into what was called Canaan but it modern day Israel? Of course you can argue the validity of the Jewish Torah. But you can't really argue with the wailing wall, which is the remaining structure of the Jerusalem wall. Beyond the wall would be the Jewish holy of holies in the temple mount structure.
It started after WW2 when Europe and America didn't want the Jews to resettle in Europe. So the UK sent all the Jews to the area it controlled, Palestine.
Look at his interviews with Abby Martin, she is much more knowledgeable than this guy.
Incorrect. It's around 1,500 years old. That's when the Arabs first invaded the Jewish land and stole it from them. There has been conflict on and off ever since.
He needs to bring Norman Finkelstein
Major Respect to Coleman Hughes for the deep dive he took into this issue. One of the most informed opinions I heard about Israel and the Palestinians from an American.
in any war, optics matters esp. with how information is distributed nowadays - Israel knows that, Hamas knows that. I still say, noone wins in war and history is written by victors. As for who is the good guys and the bad guys, it all depends on which side you are on.
Joe should have a fact checker on hand for this guy.
Fact check on what exactly because the media completely back peddled on that hospital strike, Israel never bombed it. Why do y’all defend Hamas better than Hamas can defend themselves? They literally filmed their own rocket misfiring and Israel intercepted the phone calls of them admitting to it. Oooh but because Hamas says Israel did it you all follow that narrative blindly no question. They should consider hiring you guys to do propaganda for them because clearly you do a better job.
What did he say that was false? Can you list some them?
Name something he said that was wrong.
The hospital was blown into pieces there are videos of the rocket heading from Israel towards it from every angle people at home nest to the hospital took that , more than 500 people were shattered videos also kids and medical staff , rockets specialists also confirmed on multiple platforms, he doesn't know what he's talking about at all
@@otchigal6527literally nothing, you have a bunch of "juuz control da meedya" idiots in this comment section He knocked it out of the park here
the hospital story just got crazy in this podcast it's like he is making it up as he goes