Decolonizing Quranic Studies with Professor Joseph Lumbard
2022 ж. 26 Ақп.
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*Timestamps / Chapters* 0:00 Introduction (+ background of the guest) 0:55 Topic: Decolonialising Qur'anic studies 2:14 Prof. Joseph's purpose on writing his paper "Decolonialsing Qur'anic studies" 6:21 Definition of colonialism (+ colonialisation) in light of Prof. Joseph's paper 9:54 Inspite of multiculturalism, lens of secularism dominant in Islamic / Qur'anic discourse in Western Academia 17:39 Reading an excerpt from the book: The Qur'an: A Historical-Critical Introduction by Nicolai Sinai and the subsequent discussion 24:59 What are the aspects of scholarly enterprise that can be borrowed to a different paradigm? 29:22 Holy Qur'an & the "Bible", from the lens of Western Academia 37:17 Empirical evidence for the Holy Qur'an 40:41 Empirical evidence for the "Bible" (in the 1st century) 43:10 Prof. Joseph letting in his cat to his room 43:24 Prof. Martin & the gas man 44:03 Scholarly works being behind paywalls 46:20 One of the purposes of Blogging Theology 47:00 Will Prof. Joseph's article have an impact? 48:29 Raising consciousness in the world of Qur'anic studies 51:13 Prof. Joseph's other works 53:05 Conclusion _May Allah ﷻ bless everyone involved in this video: the viewers and of course, our dear Br Paul and Prof. Joseph_
Thank you!
@@BloggingTheology Jazāk Allāhu Khayran (May Allah ﷻ reward you with goodness) br Paul. A big supporter of your endeavour.
SubhanAllah. I can attest to this discourse 100%. Back in the mid 90's, I was enrolled at the University of Chicago's Middle Eastern masters program and I was gravely conflicted with these very same issues addressed by your guest. As a new Muslim revert at the time I found myself vehemently questioning a lot of the perspectives and arguments being taught by my professors. At one point, my professor even disapproved of my using Pickhtall's translation of the Quran instead of the one he assigned which had been translated by an Orientalist. Despite my averaging a 3.5 GPA, I decided to leave my studies of Islamic history at the University level after my 1st year and pursued a career in finance. Alhamdullilah I saved my Iman and deen and have made a decent living for myself and my family. We should never ever compromise our deen for a career inshaAllah
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Good for you my brother .
@Mustafa Bayraktar You don’t have to.
You were lucky! I visited university of Chicago in 1982 since I was living in Muhammad Ali's villa reviewing for him Prayer and Al Islam book which he printed 50000 copies and I gave away 850000 copies freely online. To cut it short: they told me if I am interested to study (to come and visit us on Thursday since we have wine and dance party) in the Islamic department, Astaghfirullah. I never went and outperformed them in Islamic productions of new Koran translation with 13000 concordance with 350 Islamic English references thanks to my wife Anne Khadijah of Allahcom (put dot). By the way the middle east studies who focused on selling Ibn Taymia the author of the sixth upper direction idol in Islamic creed kzhead.info/sun/mcOmpMiZqaOsg6M/bejne.html which built lots of hate in the heart of Ibn Abdel Wahab and followers killing Muslims in Arabic till now in Syria
Alhamdulillah
Man you're killing it . I've never seen soo much qualified scholars giving much needed information anywhere else keep up your good work may God bless you 🙏 and reward you for your time
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What makes this guy "qualified" to teach anything regarding the Qur'an.
another "sheikh" who pushes liberal interpretation of Islam. That's why I stopped following brother Paul months ago. Not everyone who went to a medical school becomes a doctor let alone a good doctor.
Love it! Reminded of this quote: "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." -- Noam Chomsky
Exactly what happens within the standard Islamic narrative! How delicious!
Stunning quote! Genius
We see it happening now with the Russia Ukraine conflict. You're not even allowed to naunce things or question the narrative the mianstream holds.
@@harrisonbergeron4957exactly right. I find the logic of the talk completely crazy and demanding the papyrus from Moses time as proof !!
I love Joseph and he's lecturers, he was nice enough to message me back a few years back when i was battling alcohol.. I'm done with alcohol now and can't stand the sight of it Thank God.
Salaam, I cannot tell you how happy it makes me to know that you have emerged victorious in the battle with alcohol. alhamdulillah. Great job! May God preserve you.
@@jelumbardSo nice of you again Joseph My freind James who i use to drink up with wasn't so lucky, he's in a wheelchair with dementia.
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@@SmokeySkies I am very sorry to hear that, May God grant ease to him and his family,
"Decolonizing Quranic Studies!" ... A much needed work. Thank you both indeed.
Hard work by Paul - studying and discussing scholarly work. What an amazing dawah work! I think this approach is first of its kind in the world! Legend Paul like other legends in dawah field like Deedat, Zakir, Moududi etc!!
Maududi was an evil evil man.
@@hassanmirza2392 better to call him contentious but not evil. Wallaahul aalam.
@@hassanmirza2392 or you can referred to him as a controversial
@@huzaifahali412 He is the father of Islamist terror, together of Khomeini, Al-Bana, and Qutab. All evil men!
@@hassanmirza2392 read his books like risala deeniyat and pardah...shows his belief in One Allah and sunnah.... What a scholar he was. Comparing him and Khomeini shows you are ill informed.
Thank you, Paul, for this important conversation. I am a PhD student at a western university and I can completely attest to the lack of 'epistemic confidence' experienced by 'non-western' students working in western knowledge production terrains. JazakAllah for your work.
What a mind enriching thought stimulating heartwarming discussion. Dr. Joseph is a gift to young Muslims and old. His brilliance brings such illuminations to many aspects and fronts that need to be addressed in this most elegant proposal. That Dr. Paul for such a most treasured opportunity and look forward to many more. A list of the books mentioned would be most helpful particularly of Dr. Joseph
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Pity he came to sell US politics as well
My dear Paul, I do not know how to thank to allow me through your videos to meet people whose existence I ignored. Yes, such men have written great books but what if I never hear if I never hear or see such books. May the Almighty reward you for giving me and others such opportunities. JazaakAllah al khair. Ameen.
Never thought you'll bring this gentleman to your channel, absolutely amazing discussion 😊. Professor Josep Lumbard is a great person.
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I stopped speaking and listening to english long ago. I am glad to find your Chanel. Very helpful in regaining my english back.
Wow was not expecting this. Thanks again Paul and Professor Joseph Lumbard
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Every time, when I watch a video in your channel, I think to myself, this is the best video I've seen.. and then you bring another guest with another useful intellectual discussion that is soo interesting to someone as ignorant as me. Ma sha Allah Paul, may Allah let us learn what is beneficiary to us, and then let us benefit from what we learn.. I was thinking about poor artists and writers who die and don't know that the world realized their value years after their death.. In Islam that doesn't matter at all.. because no matter what people know or dont know.. Allah knows.. Allah knows
I agree with the guest wholeheartedly, decolonistion of islamic knowledge especially orientalism, is important.
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How is life in Kashmir now
@@786humaira1 it's good. Alhamdulillah.
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Fantastic guest.
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Very fruitful discussion as I'm one of those Muslim youth.
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This is an eye opening discussion. Dr Lumbard is bringing forth perspectives and critique of academia I simply didn't know exists!
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أخي الكريم Paul ..اذا سمحت لي اقدم لكم اقتراح.. وهو إرفاق ترجمة مكتوبة لهذه المناقشات العلمية الرائعة باللغة العربية لكي يستفيد منها المسلمون العرب فهم بحاجة ماسة لهذه المعرفة.. ولكم الأجر والثواب من الله..ولكم جزيل احترامي وتقديري.. والحمدلله رب العالمين
Will do!
I admire the channel’s selection of guests. Very educational and beneficial
As-Salām 'alaikum brother Paul. An excellent interview and a much needed light being shined in an otherwise overwhelmingly and viciously dark dingy corner of the broom closet of Academia concerning the Qur'ān. God bless! 🤲🏾
Wa alaykumu s-salam
Mashallah very good work Love from Islamic Republic of Pakistan May Allah bless ummah
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Will check out the article. Joseph Lombard had some interesting insights. Great interview.
The host and his guest did an amazing discussion full of wisdom and knowledge.. Thanks a lot for sharing!
Thank you very much dr Paul for arranging such an informative and open talk.
Downloaded-v excited to read n share with family/ friends. Jzk khair! May Allah reward you both.
Wow, it's not an often-thought-about subject and, as you said brother Paul, even if this raises consciousness of the frameworks at play, it's been very useful. Thanks brother Prof. Joseph also.
Thank you!
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Brilliant conversation. Quran 24:35 "Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. His light1 is like a niche in which there is a lamp, the lamp is in a crystal, the crystal is like a shining star, lit from ˹the oil of˺ a blessed olive tree, ˹located˺ neither to the east nor the west,2 whose oil would almost glow, even without being touched by fire. Light upon light! Allah guides whoever He wills to His light. And Allah sets forth parables for humanity. For Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of all things." translation of Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
Tough questions. So many Muslims growing up here do not even realize this colonial veneer with which we are subtly dealing while discovering our own spiritual identities. Thank you for this discussion, Brother Paul and Brother. People may try to steal our honor or dignity while we had been doing nothing to their families--yet subtle colonization attempts to destroy our sense of wholeness and individuality within the Islamic-American realm. Thank you for this video. (The “minerals” of the I-phone is some amazing example--bits and parts taken--easier to have had the person(s) murdered:). We can imagine how nations are feeling. (It’s so ironic that we Muslims try and honor everyone else’s individual realities, instead of not giving credit to their wondrous systems). Otherness has become harmful to everyone, as historical authenticity does come from knowing all of our varied traditions based on the many theologies.
Thanks for the conversation
Great discussion with many universal take-away points on biases and how differences in points of view develop. Thank you!
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I loved the way Joseph Lumbard mimicked the English language. an other interesting interview.,jazakkum Allah kharian Paul. 😊
Another great video with an excellent guest.
Thanks Paul for the content you are posting. Appreciate your hard work..
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Excellent work both its opportunity to continue to grow our knowledge experience to this wealth of information provided by paul every day to benefit ourselves and others. Thank you.
Looking forward for this video ❤
Very good job. Thanks to both of you.
alhamdulillah, this channel has become a treasure trove of precious gems long time ago already - and the gems keep coming, still piling up! Thank you so much, Mr. Williams! May God reward you abundantly for your work, jazakAllahu khayran!! الله أكبر
Excellent session...Jazakallah
Great discussion. 👍✨
I can’t wait to read the paper, very grateful to the free access to it. May Allah preserve you both
Very interesting. Thanks. I came across JL when I read The Study Quran (2017). His approach to the Quran sometimes echoes that of Sidney H Griffith. To claim texts were there before Quran was written was unlocked by SHG who patiently maps how Bible 'bites' used to back up the Quranic thinking in his great work The Bible in Arabic. 'Decolonizing' is something appears to be a new approach and somewhat similar line is featured in John J Collins' edited Jerome Biblical Commentary for the 21st Century where Carol Dempsey's article therein cites R S Sugirtharajah's seminal work on Postcolonial Criticism and Biblical Interpretation should fire similitudes into the much needed deep study of the Quran.
Interesting!
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May Allah reward you abundantly for bringing these types of disscussions for free.
Wow. Paul. Your channels content is unparalleled. Unparalleled.
Alhamdulillah.
I agree. He's got some great interviews on here.
I have attended Dr. Lambard’s lecture on covenant and covenantanilism which was extraordinarily brilliant. MashaAllah. But I would like to know more about Paul who is doing an iconic dawah work. He doesn’t introduce himself though.
Br. Paul This is one of BEST channel for learning, great content, excellent presentation. May Allah swt reward you and increase you in knowledge and wisdom Ameen Love the work of Joseph Lumbard
ma sha Allah a very knowledgeable talk by professor joseph Lumbard jazakAllahhukhair to all.
I always encourage them to practice in a way that will help them go back to their own tradition and get re-rooted. If they succeed at at becoming reintegrated, they will be an important instrument in transforming and renewing their tradition. ... When we respect our blood ancestors and our spiritual ancestors, we feel rooted. If we find ways to cherish and develop our spiritual heritage, we will avoid the kind of alienation that is destroying society, and we will become whole again. ... Learning to touch deeply the jewels of our own tradition will allow us to understand and appreciate the values of other traditions, and this will benefit everyone. Thich Nhat Hanh
I didn't understand much But full support to this great channel for the sake of Allah
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Mashaallah -this was a very very interesting discussion!
Today’s young generation will be key contributors as our leaders of tomorrow. Scott Cooper Miami
This is excellent. Listen intently.
I think we can all agree a book on this topic would be a priceless contribution to Islamic intellectual dialogue
Great talk and very relevant! However it is more applicable to lost westernised Muslims and not all Muslims or even all Muslims living in the west. Infact I do not have anyone in my group of friends or associates even, anyone who is this disconnected from the Quran or colonised in their minds. Great discussion brother Paul:)
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The authority of those who teach is often an obstacle to those who want to learn. Marcus Tullius Cicero
Thank you @Paul for the extensive and depth of books, works and scholars that you interview because I have discovered a few scholars that I never knew of or their very important contribution to Islamic intelligentsia. I see that you have found a niche in the movement of Islamic in the West and I pray that you are successful in your contribution and may Allah accept your important contribution to the Call of Islam.
You have given many a reason to pause and look at the classical Quranic literature as a very valuable source and not just the Western projects.
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Thank you so much teacher paul
As someone who has recently got interested in the academic study of Islam, this was a very interesting discussion. On a side note, this guest looks like the man who keeps making me contribute to building a masjid named Jesus before Ramadan on the ads on KZhead.
You should try to bring on Professor Khaled Abou El Fadl. I remember seeing one of his books in your library: The Great Theft
Great presentation and topic MashaAllah
Great video as always. I was wondering if you have also read the book titled "Islam: A Comprehensive Introduction". It is an English translation of a book by Javed Ahmed Ghamidi. A good book in my opinion. I think the works of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and the Farahi School of thought has been influential for me as these works have answered questions that were hard to tackle with a more traditional viewpoint. They have got quite a "Fitrah" based approach in understanding the Quran, putting it simply. I would recommend people to go through these works and benefit from them.
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Ma sha Allah, it was like journeying through biblical and quranic times and detouring into colonialism briefly and emerging into a vast knowledge of how Islamic scholarship is veering towards the goal of enlightening the young minds. جزاك الله خيرا
Agree with Dr. Lumbard regarding a 100% bias in Quran and it’s study in euro -American academy, as the western eye always views the recording and the historical preservation of Quran with the same lens as that of Bible. Quranic world is totally different from that of other scriptures because, first of all it was revealed as an oral tradition, memorized by many hearts, also simultaneously it was also being documented and hand written by a appointed team of scribes, hand selected by prophet (saw) himself. So when you have a dual methodological in preservation of a text there is no doubt as to its authenticity and preservation, therefore doubts of any man made trespassing or adulteration regarding Quran, is out of the window. Not to mention Gods promise of preserving the scripture is just enough for Muslims. What we have to concentrate now on, is its message and content there is no doubt that it is preserved word by word from the date it was revealed and will be till the end of times. No time should be wasted in the establishing the veracity of the Quranic text. Obviously the discussion on its perfection and preservation would be a great distraction and retard our progress in understanding and comprehending its message which is for all times meaning, geared to the timeless essence of human consciousness and nafs ( spirit / soul ) which never ever, changes under the sky, nor does the history of man and parables mentioned in it. Asma. Haq. Yousuf.
It's much deeper than just what you quoted about what they allow and what they dont allow which is ironically works in favor of Quran because Islam encourages pondering about the miraculous scientific phenomenas and logical explanations therefore Quran is for all times and progressive. But it is much deeper than that. You brought a very powerful issue never been addressed before and you didnt even scratch the surface of this rich subject. Keep it coming.
As usual bread for the intellect, one of the most important interviews imo. Perhaps in demagnifying this non-proper, un-academic colonizing approach of liberal, secular, humanist, intellectual tradition and ensuring it's assertion, exposure, and global wide spread together with, along with non-proper, un-finalized assumptive theories of Darwinian sciences on Academical grounds and "spectacular" media outlets, we get to face the original recipe (roots) of neo atheism that magnifies assertive, assumptive, and circular reasoning aspects using emotional discomfort (i.e suffering) and temporary pleasure tools over proper educational, well thought, deep, intellectual reasoning, studies, and Research.
Excellent ! So revealing.
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So much synergy between the two of you, mashallah beautiful. May Allah reward you brother Paul for the consistent quality. I love Professor Lumbard. Indeed, there is no diversity in the West, not in any real sense of the word. Diversity in the West relates to superficial displays of culture, such as dress, food, skin color & so on. There is ZERO diversity in any systematic institution of the Western system, be it government, education, academia, media, justice, military, law...etc. The only ever permissible rationale is the Secular Liberal Western paradigm, with absolutely zero tolerance for anything else. Even if one choses to study Sharia or Islamic Theology or any Islamic tradition related topic (or other traditions) in a Western university, it will always be through a secular liberal western lens. Not even scholarly debates with actual scholars from other traditions are allowed in Western academia. You must pertain, or at the very least adopt, to the Secular Liberal Western paradigm to even have a chance to share your ideas. In truth, the West is the least diverse place on Earth, in terms of true diversity. In Egypt for instance, despite its extensive secularization still holds on to some pre-Colonial Islamic elements in government, Christians still have their own courts, laws, representatives, & are still taught their own traditions in schools or universities by their own people. This is true diversity. As to Ibn Masud's position that Fatiha (the first Surah) & Muawithatayn (the last two Surah) are not of the Quran, it must be clarified that the contention was actually nominal, & it was not on whether these were part of revelation that is Quran. Ibn Masud's position was that Fatiha al-Kitab (for short Fatiha), as in 'Opening Of the Book' in English, is not part of the book, as it is its opening. He did not contend that it wasn't revelation, for the obvious reason that we recite Fatiha literally dozens of times in prayer every day. This is a nominal difference of opinion, on whether the opening of a book is part of the book compilation itself or comes before it. The same goes for the last two Surah, on whether these was an ending revealed prayer or part of the book itself. Questions like these are expected to emerge & discussed while the Quran was being compiled, & not just recited. In fact, we have Ibn Masud's recitation today, it's literally the same as all the others.
really impressive talk.
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Interesting discussion.
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Thank you so very much, Sir! May Allah (SWT) bless you and your loved ones, and the Professor, of course!
When I was young I read a book by an orientalist and find their reference to Muslim as Mohamaden. I know their opinion on Islam is based on their limited parochial understanding of the religion itself while using Christianity as their standard
SubhanAllah this answers Yasir Qadhi phenomenon of flip and doubtful mind post-Yale academic life
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Hi Paul Are you able to provide documentaries in regards of Abraham leaving Hagar in Saudi Arabia with scholars references ? Thanks for your work
Yea he will try to find exit visit stamp on his passport that time
Joseph Lumbard talks like a revolutionary, I am close to throwing my iPhone out the window. Well done as always Paul!
Too many scholars think of research as purely a cerebral pursuit. If we do nothing with the knowledge we gain, then we have wasted our study. Books can store information better than we can--what we we do that books cannot is interpret. So if one is not going to draw conclusions, then one might as well just leave the information in the texts. Brandon Sanderson
Very important topic.
The old man was peering intently at the shelves. 'I'll have to admit that he's a very competent scholar.' Isn't he just a librarian?' Garion asked, 'somebody who looks after books?' That's where all the rest of scholarship starts, Garion. All the books in the world won't help you if they're just piled up in a heap. David Eddings
سلام عليكم و جذك الله خيرا.. That is enlightenment.. Not Only to get a more deeply intelligent understanding of the state we are in.. Not Only Ummah wise But the openly Bias and unscientific standard related to Islam.. Not Only Western standards related to after my opinion justify Colonialism 🌍 Thanks 👌
Great stuff
Ninety percent of those who are successful today were the people who had little or nothing, but were pushed and encouraged by their family. Michael Bassey Johnson
Paul, Britain still control land they colonized. There are Eurocentric paradigm the undermines Europeans views on Islam reaching back from colonialism. I enjoyed this video please invite the professor back.
Excellent video! Just one question, if someone with an international background (studied in both the Middle East and the West), and has an advanced level in Arabic, who wants to pursue a PhD in Islamic studies, primarily focusing on the Quranic studies (despite the influence of the Eurocentric systems), is it recommended for him/her to consider top universities in the west (Yale, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge etc)?
good question!
At present, if going to a top University in the West, I would recommend trying to study under Dr. Yousef Casewitt at the University of Chicago.
Salam Paul, I'm thrilled that you are getting Hamza yusuf soon! But I don't think the topic is an appropriate one? A better topic would be on "Education and the Classical Tradition of Islam", the minority fiqh topic is a controversial one and one a lot of your audience won't like! Also could you ask Shaykh Hamza Yusuf about the Jordan Peterson discussion, wether it will happen or not! I'm sure those two would become great friends! Both of them were friends with Roger Scruton. Thanks
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@@Jareers-ef8hp I would refer Paul to Hamza yusufs talk " the secular and the sacred in higher education" really amazing talk and he talks about institutions.
@@zakzak613 Im not really a fan of Hamza Yusef much. You got any books on feminism though?
@@Jareers-ef8hp What on earth has feminism got to do with anything?
@@zakzak613 It’s just a question
A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special. Nelson Mandela
In stating that " ... the Qur'an is distinct verses [preserved] within the breasts of those who have been given knowledge" (49"19) it starkly sets in opposition in history all other texts that rely solely on a material supports for its preservation and transmission, and even its study in proviso one does not question the authenticity of its recitation. This very fact, which places it on another level, is already a great shortcoming to all Orientalists. While materials such as manuscripts, parchments, scrolls, animal skins, bones, rocks, etc. are of utmost importance to the study of other texts, in Islam they are but useful "aide mémoire" and do not constitute "hard evidence". To put it bluntly one can say no one weeps on hearing that a page of the Qur'an owned by Aisha was eaten by a goat but everyone should at the loss of the Koine Greek originals of the New Testament. Islam simply recognizes the perishability, destructiblity and corruptibility of such materials. Scientific methods and tools? Does one realize that Islam has already established its own empirical test of the preservation of the authenticity of the Qur'an when the Imam recites loudly and audibly verses of the Qur'an thrice daily in front of an assembly on whom it is individually incumbent to correct the Imam instantly, loudly and audibly whenever he deviates? If that is not enough, the whole of the Book is recited in front of vast multitudes during Ramadan and the same rule of correction (to give Lukmah) is applied). The truth is that the Qur'an has passed this test for more than fourteen centuries, year in year out. It is a pity that many Orientalists are unable study Islam and the Qur'an from a holistic perspective. It is impossible to dissociate Islam from its established practice. One cannot discuss the preservation and transmission of the Qur'an and neglect totally its memorization (partly or entirely) by millions of people for fourteen centuries. To prove a single alteration one has to prove a break in it chain of transmission. Up to now no one has.
You must have a verse other than 49:19 in mind, as Sūrat al-Ḥujarat only has 18 verses.
Fantastic. Love to be your student. Keep going please 👍
Dear brother we still waiting for your marvelous voice hadith book (voice book)
The reason why I left academy after the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King Jr. I put in a poem: I you rely on a system that put you in chains you'd better sober up quick and start using your brains. The responsibility's up to us. Responsibility. A True Psychology. A Guided Way of Life Divine Philosophy. .
No poet, no artist of any art, has his complete meaning alone. His significance, his appreciation is the appreciation of his relation to the dead poets and artists. You cannot value him alone; you must set him, for contrast and comparison, among the dead. T.S. Eliot
Paul always surprises us We are waiting for Dr. Zakir Naik to talk about his book The Quran & Modern Science : Compatible or Incompatible? Cosmic Signs in the Qur’an Zaghloul Al-Najjar and The Clash of Civilisations: An Islamic View by Bilal Philips Sheikh Hasan Somali to talk about the entire story of Jesus from birth to death from the texts of the Qur’an and the Sunnah (an important topic and no one was hosted to display the depth of the story of Christ, peace be upon him, in Islam) Dr. wrote Jerald Dirks : The First Sin: Jewish, Christian, and Islamic Perspectives Messiah What You Weren't Taught in Sunday School From Cross to Crescent Muslims in American History: A Forgotten Legacy Cross & the Crescent The Abrahamic Faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: Similarities & Contrasts Understanding Islam: A Guide for the Judaeo-Christian Reader Dr.'s books Zaghloul Al-Najjar is in the Jamalon Library: Los Signos COSMICOS EN EL SAGRADO CORAN les signes scientifipues dans le saint coran Geoffenbarte Wissenschaftliche Fakten Ausgewahlte Beispiele aus der geologie
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I am not waiting for Paul to interview Zakir Naik. Don't claim to speak on behalf of others. Naik is not a scholar, not an intellect and not even knowledgeable. He's an embarrassment for Muslims.
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Prof joseph 🌺🌹💎
Before we complicated life with money, machines and missiles we did well with morals, manpower and meetings. Amit Kalantri
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Those who feel guilty contemplating "betraying" the tradition they love by acknowledging their disapproval of elements within it should reflect on the fact that the very tradition to which they are so loyal-the "eternal" tradition introduced to them in their youth-is in fact the evolved product of many adjustments firmly but delicately made by earlier lovers of the same tradition. Daniel C. Dennett
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Thank you for this Paul. It is a bit of an eye opener, but perhaps not for the reasons you expect. The use of a "rulebook" (which you outline about 22 mins in, and then describe with unsurprising disdain) has existed in Biblical studies for two centuries, and the conclusions made a result of imposing this rulebook on the Bible have been repeatedly used by Muslims in attacking the doctrine and traditions of the Church. You yourself have done so repeatedly. The only time the shortcomings of this process have been outlined was in one of your discussions with Prof Dale Martin, where he outlines the reason why he can follow the "rulebook" a la Bart Ehrman, and yet still maintain a rigorous Christian faith. To summarize his position for the sake of those who haven't heard this excellent interview, he regards the critical analysis made of the Bible as being an academic exercise which, because of its very nature and the paucity of evidence to support the underlying premises it relies upon, is of little or no use in predicting or determining the actual truth of what happened during the Biblical period, but rather exists primarily as an academic exercise in epistemological processes. To simply even further, a less charitable explanation would be that academics like Bart Ehrman are usually skating on very thin ice when they talk about what happened in the early Church, and more so when their conclusions are presented as fact. It then comes as a surprise in this video for Islamic scholars to now complain that a similar (not to say almost identical) "rulebook" is being used in Islamic studies within universities which do not have direct ties to Muslim populations or regimes. Objections to ideas such as the a priori denial of divine revelation or miraculous events as being admissible within the academic sphere merely mirrors the same objections made by "conservative" Biblical scholars. I think the parallels are striking, and deserve a greater discussion. What do you think? By this I don't suggest a comparison between the relative applicability of the approach to either text - a point which you make later - but rather an analysis of what can actually be gleaned reliably from the approach at all. 32:08 The "scientific analysis" of the Qur'anic text was never going to reveal much about the consistency of its authorship. The issue of scriptio defectiva which clouds the Qur'an in terms of qira'at readings, along with the almost self-consciously repetitive poetic framework in which it sits, means that the outliers to the core of the text, which (for me anyway) are the honorific endings to most ayas, would need to be excluded from the analysis in order to allow textual analysis to obtain meaningful results. My understanding is that this approach has not been used. It would certainly be useful to repeat these experiments while excluding these suffixes to each aya. In general I can understand the level of frustration Islamic scholars have at the progression of secular investigations into the Qur'an. Unfortunately this situation is unlikely to "improve" over the coming years, at least not if the experience of critical Biblical studies is anything to go by. Indeed, I suspect that what might be called the "conservative" historical understanding of the Qur'an and early Islamic history is likely to find itself pushed to one side, as secular investigators gain confidence in being able to criticize the Qur'an without personal or professional peril. Whether the resultant investigations are regarded any less credible than the current crop of critical Biblical scholarship, so readily consumed and lauded by Muslim apologists in recent years, we will have to wait and see. The current trends do not look optimistic. Not from the Islamic perspective anyway.
I think Dr. Lumbard is not decrying the rejection of miracles by western universities, he is criticizing their lack of acceptance of valid, scientific methodology of traditional Islamic scholars .
@@mahirabdulahi4131 I think he is decrying the use of a framework in Qur'anic studies which excludes key assumptions which form part of the bedrock of traditional Islamic scholarship. Of those I think the key one isn't miracles, but rather that of divine revelation. Fundamentally this approach is going to clash with traditional Islamic scholarship, and academics like Dr. Lumbard will find this unsettling, not to say threatening at times. But that, in and of itself, is no different from the issues traditional Christian scholars had with critical Biblical scholarship, and in particular textual and historical analysis, which reared their heads in the early 19th Century. Which is the point I was making. Traditional Islamic scholarship posits that the Qur'an was revealed according to the Islamic narrative, and that the Hadith was collected in an orderly fashion. To be unkind, the latter posed more of a problem than the former, in that Hadith scholarship effectively consists of making the most of a very bad job, given that individual Hadith have no recognized lineage in and of themselves, but rather can only be assessed when viewed from the Hadith collection as a whole. But what we don't / couldn't have is an exhaustive set of Hadith literature, as we only have a fraction of all the Hadiths which were available when the collections themselves were compiled, and these were compiled centuries after Muhammad's death. Critiques of the Qur'an will probably be less scathing, but will come in pretty quick succession. Rejection of at least some of the methods used within Islamic communities to deal with the above issues is inevitable when dealing with critical scholarship. It is exactly this rejection of traditional approaches, approaches which have been used and have become widely accepted and practiced, which modern scholarship sees as essential to properly assess what has been handed down across the centuries to the modern day, and in particular to do so in a manner which is untainted by protective bias. This decision making formed the bedrock of critical Biblical studies from its inception, and will continue in Islamic studies despite the protestations of Dr. Lumbard. There will be no "de-colonization" of critical Islamic studies. It took long enough for people to be prepared to put their heads above the parapet. And now they're wearing helmets. Protestations by Dr. Lumbard and Muslims in general will be futile. It is too late. A different approach will be needed. On that basis I believe it is worth people critiquing the critical method itself. But this can't be done in isolation when just dealing with Islamic studies. The whole approach needs tackling, and that means looking at what has happened in Biblical studies previously, and quite probably assessing whether the enthusiasm with which it has been embraced by Muslim critics of Christianity was somewhat misplaced. Which is a topic I would dearly love to see discussed by Paul here. Academics do love their ivory towers (speaking loosely as an academic), but in this case failure to inspect the tower itself rather than its contents, and indeed to reach across the Muslim/Christian divide on this issue, will merely mean that more mud will be found to sling in either direction. This I think would be a shame, when a correct analysis of how that mud is formed could be used to show that the bare minimum of it is ever likely to stick. We could thereby discourage the more enthusiastic among us from throwing it needlessly in the first place.
Brilliant
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Dr. Joseph Humbard is on point in this regard. A lot of sophistry and bias out Western Academia that has been carried by global colonialist hegemony.
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Does anyone have the name of a shafi'i scholar I can look up on youtube? I want to learn about the shafi'i school of thought on youtube :)