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AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9 14900K, 21 Game Benchmark
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One of the possible advantages of the 14900k would be that in cold areas it helps heat the home
So true, I keep my coffee mug on top of my PC to keep it warm. If I have an AMD CPU I'd be drinking cold coffee and I'm not about that.
@@Alan-ww8vi cringe.
@@dwight2310shut up bro it's a 2023 DAD joke just chill with it😅
@@supriyomandal1641 amd fanboy
its probably banned to use intel in the arctic and antartica
The 7800x3d will also: - run quieter - on a cheap cooler - with your existing PSU - run perfectly fine on the cheapest motherboard. - and dump less heat into your case which helps your GPU to run cooler as well.
You missed the cheaper ram
yeah at this point it's just a no brainer, unless you really need the extra productivity OOMPH. But honestly AMD has cpu (7900x) also for that with se same advantages mentioned. Intel probably can be a choice only at lower price points
@Games_and_Tech they both use ddr5....
@@Alucard-gt1zf Intel needs higher then 6000 ddr5 speed(which is the sweet spot for AMD) to get optimum performance which comes at a premium
@@Alucard-gt1zf ddr4 is dirt cheap now yes. But (in my area at least) prices of ddr5 have really dropped A LOT since launch and I was able to get a stable 64gb 6000mt cl30 kit for under 200€ which is about as much as what i payed for my first ddr4 crucial 2400mt 32gb kit around 2016 xD and you can often get really nice deals on the used market of "cheap" ddr5 ram too. this memory doesnt wear down which can make a cheap (tested) kit a good deal...
I converted from being a lifetime intel user to 7800x3d and in love with it
same! undervolt it and it consumes only 40 to 60 watts during gaming. but then the only game i play is CS2
@@jamesmadison310840-60 ? So it must be demanding game in older games or even newer he eating sometimes 25-35 only ! Especially if u play games with vsync on 60 Fps...like me xd
What are your specs?
me too🥰🥰🥰
I'm in a same situation. Upgraded from 9700k to 7800x3D. FPS in crowded areas in CP2077 and Witcher 3 are like doubled! Not a big problem to cool as well.
Picked up the 7800x3D with 64GB DDR5 on black Friday and I'm stunned by the system's beastliness. Of course I'm coming from i7-4790 so I was bound to be blown away
You should be content for 4-5 years, realistically...!
That is quite the leap.
Nah , he is good for 10-30+ years, depending what he wants to do. Most ppl today are total consumers, your PC rocks
What would you use 64 GB of memory for? Future proofing the computer?
Standard kit of RAM for new non-budget rigs, IMO; get twice what you need ! (Glad I got 32 GB of RAM 6 years ago, came in handy for running 6-7 VMs later@@bud1239
What's mindboggling is you just know there will be people paying twice as much for 14900k with an expensive RAM kit and spending hours tuning their system only to proclaim that they managed to roughly match 7800x3d in gaming while eating 2 times more power and locking themselves in a dead platform lmao.
if they are buying the 14900k its for more than just gaming. as an overall do everything cpu, its a pretty solid choice. if i was choosing now, it would be the 7800x3d because i just watch videos and play games on my pc.
True, many Intel fanboys on YT shorts omments section do that.
FrameChasers logic right there
Just cause it's Intel, there are many people like that especially on the very high end which is why most people with 4090s have a 13/14900k.
@@yellowflash511Because both are the fastest not AMD.
I'd also pick the 7800X3D just because it's far more energy-efficient while offering similar or faster gaming performance
@@ZackSNetworkcorrection : 14900k has same 8 core as 7800x3d, the e-cores are additional "cores"
@@ZackSNetwork In gaming it pulled lower fps and pulled 100w more. It's not just about core heavy workloads. You're throwing away money using a 14900k for gaming. There are some exceptions where a 14700 or 14600k make sense for gaming but not the 14900k.
@@ZackSNetwork My i7-12700K only has 4 efficency cores and has way better perfomance per watt than any i9. I'm using a Deepcool Assassin 3 to cool it and doesn't reach 60 degrees while gaming, only on Cinebench goes beyond 70 degrees.
@@jeremyg2236There is no correction because I was not wrong it’s a 24 core processor.
@@Zzzxx2Who is buying an i9 only for gaming lmao?
Just built my 7800x3d system yesterday and loving the performance. Upgraded from an 8700k after 6 years! No more stuttering, 1% lows are so much better, and cpu usage is stable.
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy 7800X3D, 4080 Strix, ddr5 32gb cl30 6000, Strix b650e-f mobo, 1000w MSI a1000g. Cpu and gpu are undervolted
Hello from 8700k :)) i just bought the 7800x3d this days,i'm waiting my payment in 10th january bcs i dont have money to buy a motherboard and rams :))) can't wait to play on my new sistem :D
amd has been better for years
Whatsy your cooler for the 7800x3d,idk what to pick to cool it but i want it to be air cool
Picked up a 7800X3D 3 months back, it's been flawless. Runs pretty cool, it's fast and relatively energy efficient.
what type mother board did you use?
Relatively? It’s RIDICULOUSLY efficient and it’s literally the best gaming CPU ever made (not a fanboy btw I have had inel and AMD chips, but AMD stomped Intel this generation.
yes like 1/2 price of 14900 here in australia @@George-um2vc
I have the 7800x3d on the Asus B650E-E mainboard@@jamesleicher
ryzen 7 7800x3d is just a freaking beast man
Man I used to be sad I had a 7800x3d but they keep getting better and better.
Yes but I'm still too happy with my 5800X3D I got in 2022. So I've keep it until 2025/2026.
@@420xerrowhy were you sad lol, I bought it because I knew how good it is.
@@henrygg295it's not like there's no problem or bad news
@@aziaufa418 Sadly, there's a lot of bad news.
Purchased the 7800x3d on day one with no issues and 100% satisfied. This is the first time I have ever purchased an AMD cpu. In the past I was Intel, mostly because the Intel products seemed to last forever at least for me vs. my friends amd cpus. Thanks for all the time put in on your videos. cheers.
Man, you must be young. My first CPU was an AMD 586-P75 133 MHz. 😀
100% agree. Intel is completely lost. I was on Intel till last year, realized that company started to lose theirself. Amd just beat them on every single field... From estatics of the cpu, prices, efficiency, long support, inovations. Respect for your decision.
you're a lucky one aren't you you best keep your underwear in a safe or they'll be gone in your sleep.
My first AMD CPU was phenom ii x720 BE 👍😅😊
@@ruxandy you must be young :) My first *x86* CPU was an AMD 386DX-40 ;) I put off getting into the x86 world as long as I could but there was just too much stuff I needed to do that required one (software availability) ;)
Love these head to heads Steve! Will be interesting to see how these CPU’s age as that V-Cache should keep the 7800x3D relevant for a long time. Thank you for all you do!
Steve, I cannot thank you enough for being so real and thorough with everything. As someone coming back into the fold after a 2 year hiatus and looking to upgrade my PC, I find your content very reliable and detail rich. Love the work you and your team does at Hardware Unboxed.
You upgrade every two years? I wait Atleast 6…
The 7800x3D has been such an amazing cpu for me, I upgraded from a 3600 and I haven’t had a single issue and the difference is massive
Yes but I'm still too happy with my 5800X3D I got in 2022. So I've keep it until 2025/2026.
From a 3600? Did you upgrade the GPU too? Was it worth it?
@@Serandii use a 5800x3d too, cause of the temps! i dont want a cpu that runs 90c... if amd wont change this behavior, i stay with my 583d
@@JackJohnson-br4qr No from 5600X then 5800X now 5800X3D 🤣 Yes, from RX 6900 XT to the 4090. Use it max undervolted and FPS Limited to 115 FPS at 4k gaming. Whole PC doesn't consume more than 400 watts 👍🏻🤣
@@Knebebelmeyer pretty sure the 7800x3d runs cooler than the 5800x3d
Bought a 7800X3D for 3 days ago. Its a beast in price/Performance!
Running 7800X3D since August, PBO on with all cores to -30. Never had any issue. Power comsumption and performance is amazing. Easy choice
Yep, people forget you can UV the 7800X3D aswell and get exactly the same stock performance too
@@MrEditsCinema Yeah, i strongly advise to UV it. Easy to do it and the results are awsome
@danieljcferreira my 5800X3D runs at 95w stock and with my UV it runs at 65w max, 10c cooler too. I actually gain 1 to 2 FPS lol, I've tested like 10 games at low resolutions and with the built in benchmarks the performance is ethier exactly the same or very slighty better Definitely getting the 7800X3D next year and pairing with a good x670e board to last me a few years.
@@MrEditsCinema great results you have there. If I were you I would actually keep the 5800X3D instead of going for the 7800X3D. You already have a very, very good CPU. I went for the 7800 because it was my 1st rig from scratch but i considered going for the 5800 at the time. Thats how good the 5800X3D is. I would keep what you have and upgrade maybe when they launch Zen5
@@danieljcferreirareally? It’s already INSANELY efficient with power, what do you gain from a undervolt? Never seen mine draw over 60W lol
Great video the effect to highlight the part of the graph you are referencing is very helpful!
I was on the fence between this two CPUs and im happy that i went with 7800X3D. Something that wasnt noted in the vid is that the 3D chache seems to be amazing in older games. Im often playing WoW and noticed around 40-50FPS gain in the busiest spot in the game (had 5900X before that)
Depends on what you and others are doing and what version of the game it is (retail, classic, wrath). for examples in a hub, yes, a heavy combat scenario (raid, battleground, to an extent even a 5 man instance) and it starts to favor clock speed, not because of any fault on the 3d cache, just due to the client-server aspect . Use of combat reliant add ons that gather data such as dmg meters also tends to limit 3d cache performance advantage.
Wow is my main game and the 7800x3d has been a god send. I paired it with a 7900xtx which is overkill for wow but I play other games too. Getting 300+ fps with max settings in wow feels so much better than my previous 8700k. Staying above 200+ fps in hectic raid fights has made everything so much easier.
I've built with this CPU with 32GB 6000MT and 7700XT. The point for me as a builder was to not have to overclock DDR5 to get it running right. I will say that both this CPU and the RYZEN 7700X should be paired with a 360mm AIO if you don't want 100% fan speed when it's working hard. I built the 7700X with a 240mm AIO and it's not really enough :-(
This is some great info, so it works in older games, i'm kinda an old games enjoyer, i might give it a shot ngl.
@@beeman4266 I call total bullshit on 200+ FPS in raid on any processor that exists right now in retail WoW.
7800X3D: over 6 months old now, $350, generally better performance, power efficient 14900k: just launched, $575, performs worse in general, consumes a lot more power 🤔very hard decision (not)
not to mention the platform lock problem Intel always has, AM5 will be around until 2027 at least.
14900k will walk the dog around a 7800x3D in literally everything else productivity wise. So if you are wanting a gaming/productivity machine, the 14900k just makes sense.
Wow
@@angeltzepesh1 We don't know that though do we? For all intents and purposes AMD can just come and say heres AM5+ we just had to redesign it for "invent a word here" unfortunately but we promise to support AM5+ for years! yeah.
@@Aliothale thats a good point, but the power draw is still way too much, not to mention the temperature problems it has
anyone remembers ages ago when it was a meme how power hungry and hot AMD CPUs were (pre-Ryzen)? man times change
I would be interrested to see if the scheduler/driver improved on Win11 with the 7950X3D.
Great job as always, Steve!
AMD need to apply this kind of power consumption to their GPUs too
I love lily
He did on RX 6000, RX 7000 is still not bad.
Rather than clobber or nitpick either brand's CPU, let's take a minute to enjoy how competitive the two companies have been lately. Choice is a great thing to have!
This. This is much healthier for the market in the long run.
Especially that they've taken different architecture strategies so you can get a real world comparison of them.
When intel’s best is still beaten for 200$ more that doesn’t scream “super competitive” to me lol. 200$ is far from a “nitpick”.
@@DeepfriedBeans4492Does anyone really buy an i9 for purely gaming? Even during the Skylake days, i9 was kind of an unofficial HEDT successor. There's a good overlap between high-end gamers and creators. And for video editors, photographers, 3d/vfx artists, the i9 is the fastest desktop CPU, even beating out the Threadripper in most cases.
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 right?, the only thing intel lovers can claim about that disguised 13900k is that its more powerful when it comes to multitasking and productivity, but come on, the 7800x3d was made specifically for gaming, if they wanna compare it in general do it with the 7950x3d and it blows it away again in both gaming and productivity. LMAO.
Built my new system with 7800x3d and 7900xtx and it is such a huge upgrade from my old 6700k and 2060. Paired with the AW3423DWF 3440 x 1440 Alienware OLED and the gaming experience is amazing.
Basically get the 7800X3D unless you are into other CPU heavy workloads like heavy video editing and stuff. For your average joe who just games or uses the PC for normal stuff like work and Multimedia and all then the 7800X3D is just easily the way to go.
Specifically, heavy video editing AND gaming. Otherwise, there are still more powerful options. Unless you need an Intel iGPU for specific software.
Your example user does fine wlth any cheap $100 cpu, and the 7800x3d - a flagship top-of-the-line gaming cpu - is complete overkill. Better spend that money on a better GPU if you play games occasionally, even a 10400F can keep up with an RX6800XT on higher resolutions. Otherwise just getting any cpu with igpu is again much better value than blindly getting a 7800x3d for anything.
@@Excalibaard Just upgraded from a 10400f to a 7800x3d and the difference is massive.
it is also what it is a multimedia cpu with gaming features not "just a gaming cpu" just the fan boys on both sides are so cringe
@@PainX187 yeah totally agree with the fanboys lmao they are so exhausting.
Sorry, I'm not falling for this snake oil, Steve.
Lol what
@@jmun3688 Chill, it's a sarcastic take on a recent sad Intel marketing release. You should look into it, it's comedy gold.
@@jmun3688 looks like someone missed Intel's wonderful presentation!
@@jmun3688 Watch Gamers Nexus' video from a couple of days ago. They rip Intel completely to confetti over a (now mysteriously gone) "white paper" Intel published where they spent 20 pages talking about AMD products.
Shill more hahahaha
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I just got the 7800x3d in my newest build. I LOVE the processor so much. Im updating from a 6700k so its a massive performance upgrade and I couldnt be happier. Always stays under 60 degrees with my nhd15 and same with my 4070 (might upgrade to a 4080 super) and with 32gb of 6000mhz of ddr5 and dual 2tb 990 pros, i just built my dream pc. It can even run frontiers of pandora on ultra 1440p 😂 gorgeous game btw
But can it run crys.... I mean city skylines 2? 😂
@@mustangmanx haha I havent tried! Those kinds of games arent really my type :) if you want me to test it I might though!
I am feeling the same as you, I used to own a 5820k with an nhd15 and 5 days ago I finally got a 7800x3d build. You notice the increased responsiveness making you feel like an idiot you didn't upgrade all these years. Very happy with my build.
Tbh upgrading to a 4080 super would be a waste. Honestly wait until 2025 and when Blackwell launches.
@@riven4121 you might be right. Coming from a 1070, the 4070 is just insane anyway. I'll have to see if the super refresh is significant, I just really wanted 16gb of vram on the 4070 was my only issue with it.
in my country the 7800X3D is 440$ i9 14900K is 730$.. it was a easy buy for me...i bought a 7800x3d as soon as stock was available.
and also count in the more expensive motherboard, ram, cooling and psu you will be easily spending 800-1000 dollars more for a 14900k setup
14900K is not just a gaming chip. 7800X3D is. 14900K absolutely wrecks 7800X3D in productivity.
@@Dr.WhetFarts It's a consumer CPU. 8 cores are enough for 99% of us even in video editing and stuff.
@@Hardsky5123I mean it's cool that it's very good at gaming, but not everyone cares about gaming performance. Personally I'd much rather have a similarly priced 13700k/7900x over a 7800x3D for non gaming tasks.
@@Dr.WhetFarts It's not "just" gaming CPU. It's not like productivity is complete rubbish on 7800X3D. It's average, but absolutely fine for most use cases.
I live in Norway and the price difference between 7800X3D and 149000K is an upgrade from Nvidia 40700 to a 4070Ti and still some money left. This is pro that I think not was mentioned. At least if you build a new system. Getting a 7800X3D will leave more money for a better GPU if you are on a fixed budget. For the performance I see it as pretty much a tie between the two CPUs
its not a tie, the 7800X3D is better in most games
@@GoldenEagle0007especially for MMO type of games that involve raiding etc even tuned 14900k won’t guarantee you parity with a 7800X3D
Whats a 4700 n a 4700ti 🤨
@@GoldenEagle0007 It is a tie with 4070/4070TI. You would be GPU limited even at 1080p. But the overall best choice will still be the 7800x3d.
@@vassilisxerikos3908 that is true, tho one outlier is FFXIV. for some reason it runs a lot better on intel cpus. gamersnexus has it in a bunch of their benchmarks
Cost, power, and future upgrade potential make it hard to consider the 14900k when applying this to new builds. Great info. Thanks!
I’m curious how this comparison looks under typical gaming conditions vs bare bones bench test setups. Start running some programs in the background and see how 8 cores keep up with the 24. I have 180 background processes running and wondering how much of an effect that has.
I'm curious about this as well, I just checked 118 background processes currently running. Real-world vs clean test bench, please!
As someone who just migrated from the AM4 platform, it's disturbing to see that the 14900K is (more or less) the same price as a 7800X3D AND 64 gig of DDR5 CL30 6000 but not offering anything other that good productivity numbers. Also the motherboard I nailed down is only 250 U.S (with pcie 5 on the vid card slot and primary nvme slot) That's a REALLY hard sell from Intel to attract gamers.
What motherboard you have?
Really just boils down your needs. If gaming is what you do 95% of the time then the clear choice is the 7800x3d. If you're a single PC streamer or doing productivity tasks, I think the Intel chips are the clear winner for those needs.
Well, I guess AMD fanboys gonna AMD fanboy. When it was Ryzen 3800x vs 9900k, I recall that AMD fans, including HUB, said the exact opposite. "Why buy 9900k just for gaming when you get almost the same performance in gaming plus all that PrOdUcTiViTy performance?" Now the opposite is true. It is what it is.
Ok intel fanboy👍
@@itsmeee-ey8xv I guess that settles that then. 🙄
Only reason i didn't bought 7800x 3d, is because i already have decend AM4 MB and RAM kit. So 5800x 3d was option for me - but building from scratch, or upgrade from older generation - 7800x 3d is best option (for gamers)
Agree. I have the 5800x3D and skipping the 7000 gen. I will for sure upgrade to the next 3D chip.
You did the right thing. A drop-in upgrade that you feel and is a true boost will always win in my book versus more work and time needed for a bigger system upgrade
That upgrade is about the same as going RYZEN 7700X but loads cheaper. For a new budget AM4 build no point in going beyond 5700X. If you're considering 5800X3D then better to get on AM5.
Agreed, 5800X3D an excellent stopgap solution for AM4 owners, and still a great performer!
@stanley3647 What cpu did you upgrade from?
For $350 the 7800x3D could go down as the greatest gaming chip to ever exist. Its crazyytt
Thank you for adding Assetto Corsa Competizione test! Can't see any tests with simracing titles so much appreciated! All I need now is VR Pimax Crystal test for best CPU to buy, AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D or intel 17 14700, Intel Core i9 14900K is more expensive.
Steve didn't really address the need for more expensive RAM (faster and tighter) and a requirement for a motherboard with adequate VRM heatsinks/layout/etc. that can deal with the power consumed by the 14900K. The latter is a bit arguable as I doubt someone's going to use the cheapest AM5 motherboard that works with a 7800X3D because, well, pairing a dirt cheap motherboard with a high-end CPU is a bit weird, but at least you have the option and it's not a concern at all. If you really want to you can get a 7800X3D + 32GB RAM + Motherboard + Cooler for the price of a 14900K. Wowzers.
The thing with the 7800X3D, you can get away with a cheap motherboard. No crazy VRM power stages needed since it’s a much cooler heavily binned CPU and the fact that Zen 4 InfinityFabric doesn’t need super fast DDR5 memory(it does well with 5600-6000). For $370 USD for a top of the line gaming CPU, what more can you ask for?
@@dex2531 Infinity fabric clockspeed is a bottleneck here. As in previous gen, it makes faster RAM useless. Circumventing this bottleneck was probably the reason why AMD engineers made use of those additional L4 cache in the first place.
not so accurate since the 7800x3d can run perfectly with a top tier b650 cuz its not an overclockable cpu so no biggie while the intel has to be used with a z790 to get the most out of it. compare prices between a b650 and a z790.
@@MultiOlimac That's not because it's not overclockable, it's about Intel locked OC on the non-Z chipsets and non-K CPUs whereas AMD kept letting users and board manufacturers free to decide. AMD even got rid of locked CPUs a while ago.
@@PainterVierax I’m saying it’s not overclockable precisely because of the 3D cache technology, since it’s stacked on top of the CPU chiplets it’s bound to run hotter than the non 3D version so that’s why amd recommends not to overclock it or do it at your own risk.
Totally agree with Intel heat problem. I live in Indonesia which is like 35 degrees all year. Imagine your own PC increased it by another degree I'd be toast lmao.
I’m currently in the process of looking up(that includes a ton of your vids) what ram and motherboard I should build a 7800X3D with and then you put out some fresh content around the 7800X3D… your timing is always impeccable. Thanks!
Would not bother with any X670 as the 3D chips are not good to overclock so IMO it is a waste of money. B650 are the way to go.
X3D chips don't care about memory latency. Just get any 6000 EXPO kit. I have a 7950X3D on a 6000CL30 kit myself, and even when I drop it down to CL36 I can't detect differences that are larger than run-to-run variance. I CAN however measure the difference in code compile times. But if you're primarily a gamer, don't bother with too expensive memory.
Would be great if you guys could do some build videos as well, low, medium and high price builds that you would go with, would be fantastic too see what you would go with.
The AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D may not be 'future proof' due to having 'only' 8 physical cores. I can't even keep a straight face making that assertion. We may need a crystal ball to scry the future for any real downsides.../s It's a pretty damn good piece of hardware for gaming, and that is what it's sold to do.
The 14900K has scheduling issues, this is why there are the APO benchmarks that improve perfomance by 30% and reduce power consumption by a lot.
games can only utilize properly Intel's P cores and the 14900k only has 8 as well so they are both the same in terms of future proofing :D
Most games are going to be optimized for 6 cores cpus for a while, so there shouldnt be a problem. And there is always a possible upgrade in the future etc.
Most games uses 1 core anyways. I had a 8750H for 7 years and now a ryzen 7600 and I dont feel the need of having 8 cores yet. And I do mostly gaming and web searching but also some light video editing
Even the i3 12100f have been holding well given it's strong single core despite being a 4/8. Consoles are 8/16 with 7 cores available for games. 8 cores will definitely last a good while
you also need a larger wattage PSU for the intel cpu. for Ryzen a good 850W for intel you would need a 1000W
:-D No. Why would you need 1000W PSU for Intel?
While the i9 does draw more power, in gaming even 750 is more than enough only for oc multi core where it uses 300+, I´d take an 850
@@froznfire9531 transient spikes... though the 4090 is better than the 3090/3090Ti according to GamersNexus
1) Most people who buy 14900k also buy high end graphics which is going to eat a lot in total. 2) Power supplies are usually the most efficient at 50% usage
@@EasternUNO sorry then you'll probably need a 1500W psu for 14900K and 4090 or even 2000W if you want to overclock
What is the best B650E or 670E board for the 7800X3D? I am thinking of Asrock B650E Riptide and for a little bit more - the 670E MSI MAG Tomahawk Wifi. I DO build to have a system last more than 2 years and preferably 5 years. I will be upgrading the video card eventually (replaced my 1080 for a 3060 12 gig earlier this year).
Your b-roll/pretty shots are so nice HUB, always love seeing them throughout the videos.
I love to see the 4k and 1440p data. Thanks for including it. It helps me keep things in perspective. One thing I like to look at when buying a new CPU is if I'm going to see any performance increase at all. I run games at 4k High settings with DLSS Q if needed but no FG and target 120-144FPS. With your data I can bench the games myself and see if I'll get any meaningful performance boost.
The Ryzen 7 5800X3D or Ryzen 5 7600 are fast enough to keep up with a 4090. Only at FullHD will those CPUs "struggle" to keep up but in that scenario you'll "only" get 300fps while the 4090 could've pushed it to 400, as if it's relevant at that point.
@@zoopa9988 Pretty much. It's only in horribly optimized games like Starfield that I see a big gap in the gpu busy field. And even that's more a memory bandwidth issue than a cpu perfomance one.
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy I have a AMD Ryzen 5 7600, RTX 4070Ti, 2TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD, and 32GB of DDR5 RAM@5200Mhz
@@zoopa9988 that is a nice build.
I'm looking to upgrade my system that I'm running a 3080 Ti in, looks like the 7800X3D is the way to go! Great video.
Hi Steve can you test the 7800x3d in emulation? Specifically the RPCS3?
Did the Antec ad read say discounts on Black Friday and between the 20th and 24th of November?
I upgraded my gaming PC from the Intel 12900K to the AMD 7800X3D last year mainly because I play Sim titles such as ACC. The 12900K is now used for dedicated live streaming/recording/editing. Where I see the 14900K being potentialy useful is for single gaming/streaming PC setups. You can put OBS on the efficieny cores only with Process Lasso with minimal impact to gaming perfomance. As you mention AMD has 7950X3D in response, but I didn't want to have to thread manage all my games so the 7800X3D is less hassle.
Or you using an nvidia gpu and stream with gpu with minimal impact to gaming performance while my 7800x3d unleashes his full potential
I thought about upgrading my 7900x to a 7950x3d but I also do not want the hassle of thread managing. So I wait for 8000 series and hopefully a CPU that will blow away the current best.
OCUK are doing the 7800X3D for £329.99 (inc VAT) at time of writing.
I'm curious to see if background tasks such as youtube, streaming and discord affect the gaming perf?
Was the video released late or just the ad was delayed for the Antec case?
your videos never disappoint so well done so easy to follow.
the 3d design is incredible.
TechLabUK and Mike's Unboxing and How to, have mentioned having failed boot ups, stability with the AM5 platform. Failure to work after a reboot, socket stability when moving PC, CPU has to be re-seated to work again. Maybe it is a combo of board brands, ram kits, Cooler brand mounting issues? Even though many don't report having any of those issues at all.
I have i5 4690k and r9 290 trinity x for about 10 years. I can still play modern games on medium/high and get decent 45/60 FPS in 1440p. I'm upgrading to 7800X3D and 7900 XTX in 2 weeks and I can't wait to play in 120+ FPS. One question, is MasterAir MA824 going to be enough for CPU, or should I go for freezer III 360?
7800x3D is also still a perfectly capable productivity CPU. Just because 14900k is *better* doesn’t make the 7800x3D *bad*
I'm still giggling a bit, because I was planning a 7600x for my daughter's birthday build, but EVERYONE ran out of them and they all got put on backorder. I was forced to buy a 7800X3D from Best Buy to finish the build before her birthday. Not disappointed in it though. It definitely has the chops.
Whst are the specs for her pc?
You may of already done a video that I missed that covers this, but is the performance similar or drastically different when running these CPUs with older GPUs like the Nvidia 10 or 20 series?
What kind of temps have you guys been getting. Mine is getting about 38-42 cel during idle. I've only done one test on cinebench and it was going up to 74-76 cels during multicore test load. I'm using a 280 arctic freezer ii. Fans are set at 20% @ 30c, 40% at 40c, 75% @70c, 100% @80c Should I be seeing lower temps? I did use the high standoff points per instructions. I'll double check my mounting to see if the entire cpu is being covered or not. I'm using kryonaut thermal paste.
Can I make a suggestion? With the Baldur's Gate test, it may be worth more having large explosive scenes to see how the FPS holds. Such as the goblin battle in Act 1, if you prep the area before hand with barrels to blow up etc.
I believe where we test at Balder's Gate city is about as CPU demanding as the game gets.
BG3 is a trash game that betrayed the theme of the original Baldurs Gate series anyway. Should be left out of benchmarks.
@@medejae I kinda agree with the BG3 opinion through the purpose is not to benchmark "good" games but some new or popular games and some with a different performance behavior than the typical. In brief, this is to represent a well-rounded gaming scenario for reviewing purpose.
@@medejae well that's just, like, your opinion, man
I'm just chilling here with my 5800X3D, which has been rock solid for more than a year now. It's very unlikely that I will replace this CPU anytime soon (especially since I am usually perfectly content with ~ 50 FPS, and this CPU currently provides 100+ FPS in most titles).
Watching with 3600 and eagerly waiting for 5700x3d to hit the market
5800X3D was just launched last year, wouldn't make much sense to upgrade cpu every year anyway.
@@unholydonuts, who said anything about replacing it every year? When I say that I won't replace it anytime soon, I actually mean more than 3 years, possibly even 5.
I don't get comments like these, people just want to brag in the comments then say they aren't going to bother buying a new CPU every year like that isn't normal 😂
I've had the same x570 motherboard since 2019 and currently using a 5800X3D..I used to have a 3600. Never going the Intel route again, I'd be crazy too. Having a motherboard for years and still having a upgrade path is great 👍
What's the AIO shown at 16:17 in the video? It looks really cool
Does the 7950X have the scheduling issues the 7950X3D has? I bought the 7950X in Oct of 2022 and love it
Does the 7950X3D still have scheduling issues? I thought the chipset drivers and windows patches have addressed that since it launched.
it seems to be much better now, but unless you really need the extra cores for multitasking, the 7800x3d is typically faster for gaming and quite a bit cheaper.
For gaming purposes there is absolutely no reason to pick the 14900k over the 7800X3D, unless your sole source of PC part information is User Benchmarks.
Would you guys be willing to add Satisfactory for CPU tests? It can process tons of items on screen and is mostly CPU limited. Might be good fore testing.
The biggest difference here is power consumption, 14900k consumes 200% more power than 7800x3d, its fucking insane.
I think including the 5800x3D in the mix is needed. Is it worth it to upgrade? I think for 4K, you can stay on your current CPU and stick to GPU upgrades over time.
Yes. If you still have an AM4 system and a board that supports it, the 5800X3d is still a good upgrade and will extend your AM4 system longer.
@Hardware Unboxed i got 7800x3d based on your recommendations and the biggest problems i noticed is the slow start times before it gets in the bios
This could be due to the Mainboard. The boottimes differ significantly. gigabyte boards have the fastest boot afaik (can confirm that, my b650 Elite AX is fine in that regard)
There's a setting with the memory you need to enable, to fix that. I had it as well.
You can "fix" this by setting "ENABLE" to a "Memory context" something. It reduced my boot times significantly.
Make sure to activate Memory Context Restore in the BIOS. It will likely halve your boot time
It can do memory training at every boot if you do not turn that off. It is an issue that is not often addressed in these videos. Anyhow a brief trip to BIOS should be able to fix that issue for you.
Could you do an updated video on the 7950X3D's performance in games to highlight the degree to which game support / windows support for dual CCD X3D chips has (or has not) improved since they were launched? I remember that at launch the cheaper 7800X3D was able to win a handful of benchmarks *unless* you used process lasso or manually disabled one of the 7950X3D's CCDs in the bios which would allow the 7950X3D's higher clocks to consistently win out. I'm sure a lot of your regular viewers are wondering if the 7950X3D's game performance issues are still present 8 months after the comparisons made during the 7800X3D launch.
As a 7950X3D owner: Yes, there are still the occasional thing here and there where a game that prefers frequency gets run on the V-Cache CCD and vice-versa. But on average it still ends up in "14900k and 7800X3D land". I'm running an XTX at 1440p and I have to artificially lower settings to get it to show up. But because I'm a software developer who likes tinkering I obviously made launch scripts that ties the game to the best CCD for the job. This would have been a complete waste of time if it wasn't for the fact that I can then compile in the background on the other without any frame hiccups at ALL... Because I run with an FPS limiter in most games anyway :P The reasons to pick the 7950X3D over the 14900k are the exact same as for the 7800X3D: It is not billowing heat out when doing core heavy work (mine happens to be software compilation). In gaming the 7800X3D wins by 130W. In core heavy work the 7950X3D wins by closer to 200W. In gaming all three are so close it doesn't matter to anyone with a functional brain. In all-core work the 7959X3D are so neck-and-neck that it comes down to other factors as well. For instance that if compiling 5 hours a day with Scandinavian electricity prices then the 7950X3D pays for it's price premium in 3-4 months while running a LOT quieter on the same cooling solution.
I would like to see an update on 7950x3d. Any optimizations since release?
Awesome as usual … how the hell do you guys find the time to do this much benchmarking? It’s super impressive.
RE power usage, would love to see reviewers do some testing on how these modern cpus can perform if power limited (e.g ECO mode on AMD, PL1/PL2 adjusted on intel2). Many of these top of the line CPUs, especially intel ones (x3d ones are a bit more limited due to the limits of v-cache) seem to just be pushed to the extreme for performance without any regards to efficiency by default.
Yeah, I wish there was more on this. Intel CPUs can certainly be much more reasonably efficient if they wouldn't be pushed so high. Still don't think it will be better than AMD, but it might get pretty close. And same on AMD. I cringed so much when I saw people recommending R7 7700 over R7 7700X because "it consumes less". LoL, it's just capped by default, but the chip itself is not more efficient. Quite the contrary, a 7700X should, on average, have better silicon, so when limited to the same power it should give same or better clocks and viceversa. But somehow nobody was testing a 7700X in ECO mode... sigh.
This has been covered in previous Alder/Raptor Lake and Zen4 videos, by HUB and others. The CPU market is just tighter than past years and both companies are now allowing their CPUs to run closer to their thermal limits to get those last percentage points hoping to take that historically coveted claim to the performance crown. It is true for both CPUs that you can retain most of the performance with lower power consumption if you mess with settings.
@@Winnetou17 I mean, you're comparing a 4nm part to a 10nm part from Intel. Obviously by default, AMD is going to be more efficient. The only possible area where Intel _might_ have any chance to compete in terms of efficiency to performance, is in multi-threaded performance due to the extra E-cores.
Hitting a power limit is not efficient nor performant because you're just massively downclocking the CPU with inconsistent and irregular clocks. Truthfully, the only way to see real efficiency is to leave power consumption uncapped, but see how far you can undervolt offset, and how much you want to underclock offset (if at all). On most Intel CPU's since Alder Lake, you can easily save 30 watts this way while keeping performance the exact same, or a 60+ watt reduction from a -100 mhz offset combined.
@@KITOMERO To be pedantic, it's TSMC 5N (the Ryzen 7000 chips) vs Intel's 10nm++++. And Intel's 10nm is/was roughly equivalent to TSMC's 7nm manufacturing node. So Intel is about half to one full node behind AMD on the manufacturing node used, given this 10nm is very mature. Still, yeah, unless something crazy is in one of their architecturese, AMD should win by default. Like M1 did vs the rest, just because it was on 5nm when everybody else was on 10 and 7nm. Now again with M3. And the added benefit of having an SoC. Anyway, I'm getting offtopic. Also, it has been that the E-cores are not that power efficient. They can be if you have a very light task. But on heavy task, when they have to go to 100%, they're pretty similar to P cores. They're named "efficiency cores" for marketing reasons, what Intel really wanted to them is to occupy as little space as possible, so they can add more of them, that was their goal.
Good sponsor. I really should get a new case - this Antec Three Hundred I've been running since (according to the NewEgg receipt) August 2012 is awesome, but it's kinda dated - and bloody heavy. :P
Subjectively I've noticed improved smoothness in Starfield with all three Ryzen CPUs I currently run (5800X, 5800X3D, and 7800X3D) since their first major update, so it's nice to see this impression objectively verified for at least one of the chips in benchmarks. The data from your original CPU review for Starfield gave me the impression that Bethesda did most of their pre-release optimization for Zen 2 (for consoles), as there seemed to be less uplift than usual moving from Zen 2 CPUs to Zen 3 and 4, and it's good to see this having been addressed, as I'm sure plenty of Nvidia users are similarly pleased to see for their GPUs.
Any difference between the 5800x3d and 7800x3d to you?
@@chanceneel1 not anymore, in the context of how I’m using them. They’re in different systems, so it’s a bit apples to oranges. The 5800X3D is paired with a 6950XT at 1440p, and the 7800X3D is with a 7900XTX at 4K. So far I’ve only cared to run V-sync 60fps, and really both were already fine maintaining those averages; what little difference I used to discern was in entirely in the minimums, the occasional stutters etc. The 7800X3D was already hard to notice ever getting dragged down, but now I never notice anything. The 5800X3D wasn’t often pulled down either, but it was slightly more noticeable. And now, well it’s basically effortless too. I leave both at max NPCs along with everything else, and they’re never hindered, not for only 60fps V-sync.
@@kenshirogenjuro873 guess I'll hold off then. Sometimes you just get the urge thinking you're running on old hardware. I'm on 5800x3d/rtx4090. Might do the 8000 series when they come out unless I won't see anything there either. I didn't know how the single core performance would shake things up.
@@chanceneel1 the 5800X3D is still a great chip. In 1440p or lower, no ray tracing with big emphasis on high-refresh rate, the argument could be made that a 5800X3D will probably limit the 4090’s potential for a number of games. But the moment you bring in 4K with high emphasis on the heavier ray tracing titles, which in my opinion are the only (gaming-related) reasons to get a 4090, the 5800X3D is still plenty good. Heck I recently read a guy who had his 4090 paired with a 3700X. That to me strikes as a pretty imbalanced system, but the guy made his case that maxed-out path tracing and 4K hampered the 4090 enough that he just wasn’t yet bothered enough to get the 5800X3D he could easily drop in. It was sensible enough.
Another good thing the 7800x3d is that it'll hopefully inspire Intel to do better with future chips as it raises the bar and creates a new standard. As an owner that has goes between Intel builds to AMD builds back and forth, competition is great.
AMD hit hard this time...good job !
They always do, remember 5800x3d? Also when Zen 3 came out AMD swept the floor with everything else in the market. They've got their CPU game figured out, lets hope the same for GPU.
@@talharidwan7194 with how they keep pricing their GPUs and having bad marketing its unlikely. love my 6700xt tho
@@talharidwan7194 Nvidia owns the GPU market buddy. AMD is helpless.
@@dex4sure361 Hello there youngster of the gaming world. I can point to at least 10 instances where ATI/AMD had the outright fastest GPU in the last 30 years. 5 years ago Intel fanbois said, what you're saying now, about AMD's CPUs. That didn't age well, did it? AMD is expected to make $24B in 2023. Nvidia made $27B (their fiscal year ends in November). Intel is expected to make $16B. Take a good hard look at those numbers. AMD isn't "helpless". But they are first and foremost focusing RnD where they expect to make the most profit. And gaming cards is the lowest margin products (even Nvidia is only makes 35% on their gaming products), so that's not where they're currently putting their focus. They did, however, just launch the MI300X which is faster than Nvidia's current best AI accelerator. So it's not that AMD couldn't brute force a gaming performance win if they wanted to. It's that they know they won't make good money on it. The PS5 Pro is coming up in the not so distant future, and if the rumors are to be believed it will feature Zen 5 and RDNA4. This means that AMD is focusing RDNA4 on being mass producible, power efficient and with good yields (as they are paid per working chip by Sony). What this tells us is that AMD is probably not going to "go for gold" with RDNA4 on PC, but rather make sure the +20 million console units are a slam dunk. But with AMD's current financial situation I wouldn't count out that they're slating RDNA5 (so 3-4 years out) to be the all-out, chiplet-everything, financially viable crown contender.
@@talharidwan7194 5800x3D is a DDR4 processor only, even if it was really clean for a last AM4 solution. But 7800x3D just destroyed the gaming market this time (in a good way). literally.
Thank you for the review comparison! Could you please think how to add Star Citizen to your list? It is the only game that matters to me…
One of the best thumbnails 👍🏻
Would you add The Finals into your gaming benchmarks in the future? It's really cpu intensive
I'm sure userbenchmark can find a con to the 7800x3d
of course there are cons like idle consumption, productivity performance or stability of the platform. But it barely matters for a setup dedicated to gaming like in Steve's scenario.
Can you add escape from tarkov to the game list because its heavily depending on the cpu performance (esp ipc performance).
On the older AM4 platform... AMD kept us alive with AMD Zen, Zen+, Zen2, and Zen3 CPU compatibility. The new AM5 just released accepts Zen4 right now (7000 series CPU). So who knows how long you can stay alive with the new DDR5 platform. Intel is notorious for making you buy a whole new motherboard almost every generation of CPU. 7800X3D is an easy winner in every area.
I got a 7800X3D and I chose it specifically for gaming and efficiency. Often surprised its using less than 65 Watts, while it's specified at 105 Watts. I use an air cooler
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy Asus ROG Strix X670E-A Gaming Wifi, AMD Ryzen 7-7800X3D, G.Skill DDR5-6000 CL32, Lexar NVMe SSDs, RTX4070Ti, Windows 11 Pro
@@MurrayDagostino a nice build.
One of the things I never seen you testing is performance when streaming with NVENC. I know that in this scenario most of load is put on gpu, but OBS requires some cpu usage as well - even when encoding with a gpu.
I’d be interested to see you compare the 7950x3D( using Process Lasso) to the 7800x3D. Is setting core affinity sufficient to sidestep the scheduling issues? Or are there still downsides to choosing the higher core count part?
really wish you did relevant games which both comp / casual players play like. Path of exile(major one as its heavy on pc's in the late to endgame ), cs2, rainbowsix siege, apex legends. As well as streaming performance etc
Can you make the same bench with "OLD" 5800X3D?!
Just got a 7800X3d for my sons gaming/study PC. it's a fantastic CPU and i am amazed that it's usually not drawing more than 60W at full peak in games or benching. Only thing i noticed is that you kinda need to undervolt it a bit to constantly hit that 5.05Ghz. Overall i was super happy with the purchase.
gaming wise thats like giving your son a lamborghini to drive to school or something like that. i hope he knows how good that PC is, because I'd be soooo hyped for that build
@@MyOpinyin I guess i should keep quite about the 4090 that might...or might not be in the PC :)
@@PsionDeltaare you looking to adopt?
@@Aronzzi89 I would say that you could try and look at any AM5 curve optimizer video. It's pretty easy tbh, but very tedious to dial in for each core. Option 1: Enable curve optimizer for all cores with a -30 value. Test stability in games and benchmarking. if it's not stable you lower the value to -25 for example. Continue to do this until you hit a value that the PC is stable on. Option 2: Enable curve optimizer for each core. Start with a -30 on the first core and do the same process until it's stable. After the first core is stable move on to the next and dial in the value there. Per core is a better way to do it, but will take a lot more time to get perfect. I kinda enjoy spending time with things like this, so maybe take a few hours during the christmas holiday to work on this :D Good luck!
Excellent analysis. Thank you for this. It'll help in a lot of arguments.
Would you be interested in a follow up comparison of both in a highly tuned setup? Buildzoid collab with tweaking?
Great comparisons and data as usual, but I think in this case a graph for the 1% lows would've been quite interesting. In general, if ever so slightly, it seems the X3D delivers better numbers there too, and that is arguably as much if not even more important.
The darker blue parts on the graphs are the 1% lows
@@sega_kid4288 I meant a graph for 1% lows alone, like the one for average FPS across games.
Intel where we hate the competition glueing their cores but we love ourselves when we do it.
My one issue, I still use optical out from the motherboard for audio to a full receiver. It seems like all AMD motherboards have done away with the SPDIF connector. Not sure if there is an easy fix to get around the audio issue. ** also using a 165hz monitor so HDMI is out...
I picked up a 7800x3d a few days ago from Micro center for $500 with a B650 tomahawk, and 32GB of RAM.
One thing I will say I miss is RAM Overclocking and tuning. There is basically bugger all room for Overclocking and tuning RAM on the 7800x3D. I really had a lot of fun doing it back on AM4 with my 3600, 5600x and 5800x3D. That being said im most definitely in the minority on that. If Intel was cheaper and wasn't as power hungry I'd 100% be going team blue for the better RAM performance but here we are
You are looking too positive on all this. Past Ryzen products were very specific with ram speed and required some tuning, otherwise you leave some performance on the table.
agreed ( while ive personally never bothered ) i think gone of the days of overclocking to squeeze that little extra performance is gone .. when i can build a computer get the performance out of a 7800x3d with no messing around no BS just slap it in and play then great!! I think thats where AMD are realizing the sales of there i want to OC the hell out of my CPU just doesnt sell anymore !!
After personally trying to overclock Corsair Vengeance RGB RAM with supposedly Samsung B-Die (but probably not) and never getting it stable. I consider you a masochist. My later G-Skill RAM was flawless though.
@@CheapBastard1988 I spent 4 months on my Bdie and it was the most fun I ever had. Had a blast and the FPS and input lag gains were well worth the learning curve
Love the comprehensive comparison, but one additional thing that would be interesting is ray tracing benchmarks. From my own experience, RT can impact the CPU load quite drastically, not only the GPU load... and I'd love to see the differences in how well Intel and AMD CPUs manage this extra load.
Thanks. FYI, some of these games have RT enabled.
Great video, but the ad spot feels a bit outdated.
Will you be benchmarking Alan Wake 2 for results like these? Just curious!