From Crud to Stud, Restoring the South Bend Heavy 10 Lathe
This lathe turned out beautiful and it's my new main lathe in the shop!
I found a South Bend Heavy 10L from 1938 at a garage sale and dragged it home for cleanup and restoration. I live in the frozen hell-scape of the American Midwest so this was a lovely winter project. I show every step of the rebuild and goof around in the process so I hope it gives you a chuckle.
If you want to see how I got the heaviest parts down the stairs check this out
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If you want to see how I moved it across the floor check this out
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I built a stand to raise it up 9"
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This videos contains some naughty words and bourbon, it should not be watched by squares... or most people actually. I would consider it the finest honor of my life if mrpete222 saw this and roasted it, I suppose I can dream.
-Daveman
That blurred shot at 20:51 was hilarious
Puerile.
yes@@kooldoozer
Extracting the nut from the motor was a real cliff hanger.
I must say that I enjoy your sense of humor fully as much as I enjoy that of This Old Tony. Now that I have found your channel, however, I will be losing sleep trying to decide who is funnier.
A comparison to ToT is high praise! it encourages me to put the effort in
this was the most entertaining lathe restoration video i've seen so far.
Thank you, much appreciated
This video was great, and hilarious, it made me giggle.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed
That clip for Bjørn made me subscribe.
Always pull through another pull through.😊
so happy i clicked on this video!
I appreciate that very much friend
I live in a cabin in Iceland, and coincidentally my name IS Bjorn! I very much enjoyed this, so please continue
Yes! I knew it would happen eventually!
First vid I’ve seen of yours. Love it. Just a dude being himself cussing and talking about the funny shit that happens during any project. Well done!
Thanks man, much appreciated!
I restored an old Craftsman Gear lathe once. Yeah, lots of fun, lots of missing pieces.
I'm more impressed with that air ride table.
Thank you, it can lift around 200 lbs without needing help from me
51:36 - Very informative and educational restoring video, always wondered how exactly the taper attachment worked. Makes clear sense now, it needs to be stuck onto the lathe bed.
Hearing a ratchet is always a good thing. Something about that zippy noise is soothing. n_n
This has to be one of the most refreshing lathe build vids I’ve ever seen! Commentary was extremely entertaining and instructional! Yes this definitely deserves more views. Keep it up man!
Thank you!
Oh and I like the oilers
Great video, entertaining and informative. I own this same lathe, and work with it almost every day, and had no idea what the underside of the apron looks like. I feel obligated to tear my apart and check the wicks. Solid work, thank you
Thank you for saying so, I encourage you to check it out, there even more cool stuff than I show here
On behalf of all South Bend lathe owners, a big thankyou. Most of us have never seen such a deep excavation into the innards of our lathes. If it still works we dont disassembled it ... and these tend to work forever. All those oil ports is why. Also enjoyed seeing your original lathe as well as your improvised tool post grinder. You probably figured out you can lock the spindle t unscrew the chuck by engaging back gears while leaving direct drive pin engaged. Never be ashamed of a flat belt drive. Old timers like my dad always felt they were safer than modern high HP gear drives. Flat belts can safely slip if something (like an arm or necktie) gets wrapped up in the work. Tension can even be reduced for newbys and kids still on the learning curve. Since the flat belt is manhandled when changing cones my dad always insisted on a skived lap glue joint or gut laced joint. Metal hardware can work apart and snag hands. I helped him skive the tapers on the belt for his antique 15 inch South Bend and as a kid I cut the narrow grooves for the gut lacing on the belt for his 10 inch Heavy (called a Junior). All are still running as is my 10-K which I obtained as a big enough pile of chunks to make nearly three lathes (one tailstock missing but extra quick change)
Thank you for the story of those belts and your father's machines. I'm a big fan of flat belts, they've definitely saved my tools from a few crashes. I've always tried to avoid using my back gears for chuck removals to reduce the risk of damage, but perhaps that's a superstition I picked up from atlas which has wimpy zamak gears
I hope you keep doing this I love the humor. And the way you go through stuff is actually very knowledgeable. It teaches people which is awesome
I appreciate that a lot, and I've got more in the works!
I also restored a heavy ten from the Navy. But when I did the bed was shipped back to South Bend and they re -ground the ways. I then used turcite under the saddle and tailstock. I sold it with a full collet set and all the usual chucks and supports and stand. The lathe was too small for my needs. I did like it though as this was what I learned on in college. Super quiet and very precise. I sold it to a guy who makes custom titanium bicycles.
Great job reassembling the Lathe.
Just bought a Southbend Heavy 10L that was used the Stroh’s beer plant in Longview Texas. It’s in very nice shape but watching this video definitely helped me understand a lot of its internal functions. And it was one of the most entertaining video I’ve watched in a long time! Bravo🤘🏻
Thank you! hopefully they threw in a six pack for ya
Keep up the videos.
Good Sir this video is hilarious and also very good!❤🎉
This channel needs more subs. This is great. Really enjoyed that.
Thank you!
Nice pulley system. I’m a “mechanical advantage” person myself. So I appreciate when people have a nice setup. I enjoyed your video enough to subscribe
Thank you, I used it to haul my lawnmower up onto a storage loft in my garage back in the day
My Heavy 10 has been stuck in the garage for 2 years pending me cleaning up my basement shop to make room. This video has lit a fire under my arse to make it happen. Thanks!
Just got me a giant band saw for $50 that I’m doing a similar deep clean/restoration. Your motor wiring section cleared up a ton of questions I was unsuccessfully googling. Also the dry humor was worth the hour of my life 😂 cheers. Gona watch all your other vids now
Hell yeah, I'm glad it helped out and I appreciate you checking out the other ones
Excellent - andI love the engineer humour! ….a fellow mechanical engineer.
that was glorious!
Great vid!
In my head With every drop of oil the sound of eagles and black hawk helicopters blasting fortunate son got louder and louder. On a side note who knew a lathe rebuild could be so entertaining
This my favorite comment of all time
You're hilarious!!
It's amazing that so many old lathes and mills are available in the US. Here in Oz, they're like hen's teeth. Id kill for an old lathe like this, even in bits like you had it. Same with old arcade machines.
I think it's not only due to population, but I think Aussies generally won't stick stuff in a shed somewhere, they'll send it to the landfill.
I brought a WW2 built South Bend 9 inch lathe back to the UK when my term working in Arizona ended in 1996. I restored it and was very impressed by the build quality. One thing that I found was that the headstock pulley has a figure of eight oil groove machined into its bore. I can't imagine the machining setup required to do that, but its very neat and shows how much the designer thought about lubrication.
That's great that you managed to get one back home, they're so interesting to pull apart and look at
Regarding being so dumb you come around to smart… The phrase you’re looking for is “I’m so far behind I think I’m first!!” lol 😂 Great video!! Love the sense of humour 😃 I really like that material moving rope/pulley system… would love to see more on that!! 😃
Thank you, I rely on that phenomenon frequently. I enjoyed the pulley system very much, odds are it will come back again someday!
Loving the rant on flathead screws. 31:41. Awsome humor. Same kind of humor as This old Tony here on youtube.
Thank you, any comparison to ToT is high praise
Thanks! I inherited this same lathe last year. I've cleaned it up some, but it needs to be fully torn down and cleaned. FIL had it in his wood shop. Super dirty and he did not lube it. It needs that same lead screw replaced. Plan to watch this again.
I don't own a flat head that's narrow enough to do this.... *off camera grinding noises* I now own a flat head that's narrow enough to do this! Hilarious. A+
And then 31:42? You are a bad person.
*I am an awful person@@adamguss1223
Thank you! those little parts are a lot of fun to include
Also I love that machine that taper attachment is awesome
Well very educational I was thinking of a way to clean the lead screw , and I enjoyed watching you redoing that lathe
Came across this channel by yt suggestions and found a really awesome video here. Subscribed!
I loved your video! I can relate on so many levels lol. Love your sense of humor. I graduated from machine shop in Vo Tech in 1968. Most of our machines were Navy Surplus. However we had 3 brand new 9 inch South Bend Lathes. Every student started off learning on them. Less chance of damage lol. I guess because the other big lathes and mills were Navy surplus I had the inclination to become a machinist mate in the Navy. I didn’t though because I was convinced to go into a tool and die apprenticeship. Served me well and 2 after getting my papers I started my own shop. And dang I bought a 16 inch South Bend. Amazing the shit I did on that thing before I bit the bullet big time and bought my first CNC lathe. That was so much fun I continued buying more CNC lathes and machining centers. And hiring ppl that would make you look like a super genius 😂. Seriously it’s refreshing seeing what you did. Too bad not enough young ppl get into the trade. They’re simply going off to college , racking up debt ( that sleepy Joe is trying to make it so they don’t have to pay back the loans) 🤬and then finding stupid jobs that don’t use the stupid sheep skin diploma anyway . Great video 👍🏼 good job sir!
I'm glad you enjoyed, and I like hearing stories of machine education programs in years past. My class was one of the last in my school who learned practical machining before the programs were discontinued. Nowadays a big part of what I do at work is teaching the older skills to the younger guys
@@daveman4863 your to be commended on that. I had been extremely involved with the Vo Tech I had graduated from. It was like pulling horse teeth to get guidance councilors to send kids there rather than college. I was president of the 3 sending school boards at one point. On an in service day I pretty much made all the counselors, Principles and vice Principals go on a field trip. Started in my humble but nice CNC shop and then the nicest Tool and die shop in the area. Then to a big high production screw machine shop, ending up at a shop that machine’s sapphires and other similar materials. Everyone at the end of the day was blown away. With MUCH time and effort enrollment increased and the shop got a lot of much needed equipment. I’ve since retired and moved away but one of my sons still stays involved …….there would be NOTHING without ppl like us now would there? Kudos to you young man 🤙🏻
I'm currently restoring an older Atlas lathe. I'm glad I'm not the only one that can't remember where that part goes... my language is similar also. Thanks for the laughs! Subbed.
i really enjoyed that, thanks
Very rarely have I so enjoyed a technical video, this was absolutely amazing and fun! My new quote, from 13:33 - "I'm not gonna stop doing something, just because it's the wrong thing to do. I'm gonna keep doing it, until it's the RIGHT thing to do." Thank you! Gives me hope for the upcoming restoration of my '41 SBL Heavy 10. MUCH MUCH worse shape than yours, missing parts, etc. But I have hope... and a great quote.
I hope it serves you well
Super! Danke!😍🤗
First time watching your site, you hook me and I loved the humor you have!!!!
Thank you! I plan to keep making them
Nice job. Nice content
Isn’t it crazy how there was a time when flatheads were just laying around everywhere, now they’re hard to find as a 10mm socket/wrench. I’m from Georgia, and I remember when I would see anvils just in peoples yards like ornaments. Not now.
Here's hoping they continue to become more and more rare!
I managed the labor for lathe as about 1 and 1/2 days of work. It is a south bend 9 model C as 1935 build w. 4ft bedway. First cleaned and painted I raised a cinderblock stand and after some initial lube and drive belt function now happily make chips mostly as aluminum, brass and hard plastic. As it arrived without a chuck, I mostly used clamp assembly to drive any initial jobs. I made my own toolpost, and found various tool bits at no cost. Just ahead, I am adding a brand new 3 or 4 jaw chuck and find with use, and constant cleaning the general end use is free and easy to any adjustment. While some wear to the bed near chuck location is present, I find tolerance fine for my general hobby and motorcycle repair needs. The South Bend lathe as design had a wide range of model delivered world wide. And were well crafted with hand scraped surfaces and as you note, well designed lube points and operator access as tolerance metrics. *dials and adjustments. I now seem to spend very nice hours engaged to machine jobs. Understanding the need for training and how truly modern CNC has continued to shape our world. The shop space given over to this process has been transformed and continues to be the center piece for interesting problems as repair and fab as by my hand. As you demonstrate, these machines are still available and can be found in various condition. For the person new to the element as machine tool, I hold the view they far exceed a Chinese lathe as I cite a unit of 1935 vintage still in quite good condition. That durable and quality construction as is lessened in the tin cabinet and hopeless motor drives of ever cheap design. At present, I simply miss my friend a machinist, who I might have gained so much from as guidance and best practice. Of which, for any operator, remember eye protection and at all times avoid any entanglement, any such potential for workpiece escape and where tool motion to bedway, carriage or fixture can be a hazard. Regards, M.
This is great. Thanks Dave. Be careful with those plastic strands, they look harmless but can take a finger off in a second!
Fun following along with your build, inspiration to me to get mine cleaned up! Makers Mark, nice choice!
First time I've watched one of your vids and I was enjoying it but the bit at 31:40 made me hit Subscribe.
Glad to hear it, I love sneaking those little moments in there for people to find
Loved it, thanks!
The bolt head and but being different sizes was a standard, it was so you could work on the machine using a single wrench pack, if they were both 9/16th you'd need two separate and identical wrench packs...
Maybe they should have kept it that way, I have to carry around too many sockets
salut super vidéo Merci
Great vid and commentary! Used an old SB years ago - fortunately just for polishing crankshafts, doubt it would have held .01 as hard a life as it had had. Was cool seeing this one though all the SB’s must have been pretty much the same other than size. Had a pretty good Rockwell for running tolerance work. 👍👍
Hilarious and fun. Really enjoyed this entire video great job.
"say hi murder piece!" 😄i think we all have one of those in our shops.
Absolutely, and now the shop belongs to the murder piece, because it will definitely still be sitting there long after I'm gone
@@daveman4863 it's great that you were able to give the murder piece a new lease on life. i had multiple opportunities to purchase the same murder piece but passed on it. So much regret
Cool! Thank you!
this have "this old Tony" vibes :p
That is very high praise, thank you
Talks about a cap head instead of a slotted screw and then uses a screwdriver to undo the cap head 😆 Enjoyed this restoration, seen a few, they are all different, liked the commentary especially. We manufacture spare parts for an old mechanical machine and you'd be amazed at how many times we see, 'drilled', or, 'reamed', or 'machined' in position on the drawings. I've also been involved with engineering for over thirty years and never seen how those old tapered accessories worked. So, thanks for that. 👍
I'm glad you enjoyed, and very glad you caught the screwdriver gag
Check with South Bend and give them the serial number. They may be able to tell you where it went in rhe Navy. It might have been on one of our ships during World War II.
South Bend is owned by Grizzly Industrial now, so that might be a long shot! I think they bought it to get the name, and little else!
Just found your channel- Great video! Can’t wait to see more content. I have a SB 9” x 48 that needs some tlc, so this was a great motivator 😎
Thank you! Hopefully something here is helpful
That's good stuff right there absolutely I approve and thank you for the video.
You're very welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed
Awesome video. Great commentary and video editing. This deserves more views. Also the blurred part at 20:50 was really funny
He has my kind of humour. If he rebuilds a make up bag, I'll watch it!!!
I agree with the flat-head screw comment with every fiber of my being!
They are truly garbage
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Nice job.
I’m envious of your taper attachment. I have an SB about the same vintage as yours and would really like to get a taper attachment. (No hidden agenda there). Good job on the cleanup.
Mine's doing a whole lotta nothin' man, I could see my way to selling it
31:19 Hey, hey, gotta stop here! You said that you don't like that washers design!
Slotted screws are really useful when paint is around like houses or tools. You can get the paint out really easily and restore the slot if needed Try that with a Philips or worse a Torx. Restore more tools you will learn to respect them.
Bro you are funny a.f.. you should make more videos!
Dude you are hillarious😂 Jusy gained a subscriber
Thank you!
There is a small chance that the ground wire connected to the hot wire talked about here 11:52 , was a holdover delta ground. I would have liked to see that connection between the ground wire and one of the phases back in the power room if that’s what it was but my experience with millwrights have been eye opening.
If it helps your detective work I found this machine in a residence with a 120v plug attached... I believe it was a simple case of hill Billy wiring
you are a godsend @Daveman ! It's 12:30 am here in New Mexico and I have a nearly-finished 1925 south bend 11inch in my work room. I've been wondering how the reverse gear assbly stays on the headstock, and at 21:07, you screw in that little bracket. I knew I had it somewhere in the massive pile of parts that came with ole beauty, I just wasn't sure where it went. Now I know! Thanks! looking forward to more vids.
I'm very glad to hear that, other people's videos got me where I wound up so I'm happy to pay it forward
You need to regrind those jaws with an ID grinding setup. The surface of those chuck jaws are convex now and they should be concave on the surface to better hold round parts.
I feel there should be a better name for "not on". Can't remember though, English isn't my primary language. Oh and shout out for all things three phase power. I just can't stop myself from cringing every time I see US based high power machines. Heck my grandfathers lathe was a 3HP lathe, which was three phase. I guess that's one of the benefits of living in Europe ;)
Haha, the word you're thinking of is "off" but "not on" was me goofing around. Here in the states all of our industrial equipment is 3 phase, but at home we use single phase 220V for major residential appliances like ovens, dryers, and large power equipment. If I ever stumble across a cheap 220V motor I wouldn't mind running an outlet for it
@@daveman4863 Sorry for not being obvious enough :) But I was being sarcastic with my comment about off :) Anyway, I trained as an electrical engineer, so I do know a fair bit about it. Including a fair bit of general knowledge of the US system. (in part because when I trained, we used to have a few split phase towns that weren't upgraded yet). But would it surprise you that every home here is capable of running three phase power? The power company usually only connects a single phase, but if we want, we can easily upgrade to three phase. You say you wouldn't mind running a 240v outlet, but I can tell you all of my outlets in my house are capable of running 16amps@230v. I can plug in my water heater anywhere I like. Any random house for that matter, I can be sure every outlet is capable of the same thing. (I sure love the german standards for that)
Having done a SB heavy 13, with the long bed, I'm surprised how manageable this was. Putting the bed on mine used a 1ton engine hoist, and the seals were squealing horribly due to overloading.
Gotta love heavy American iron, they made them right back then
I am slightly surprised you did not purchase the felt kit to replace all the hardened wicks. Moreso in the parts that will be harder to get to wo undoing all the forward progress. South Bend used the wicks in the apron, head, tailstock and gear changer. From what I read with no wick, oil will not stay in or on a part that is meant to since gravity removes it. The wick fights gravity and crime. Or was it grime? Not sure. Great video on your part and looks like a good shape lathe if the ways are not to worn. This wld be prior to hardened ways. Anyhoo, stay the course! 1000 points of light or ignition!!
Thank you for the kind words Phase 1 was what you saw, generally a push to understand the whole machine and build a master improvement list Phase 2 will be to properly update and renew all the components I can That list wound up being pretty long, so my future holds a lot of wrenching no matter what. You'll see new felt go in someday!
Excellent, entertaining, instructional video....well done. You have inspired me to only buy new. And don't wear no loose clothing....K?
Really like the pulley system you rigged up, but I guess that's why you make the big bucks. Any chance you'd tell me where you got that exit guitar music ? Great job.
Thank you! I use a music licensing service called artlist.io, that song is called Jackson-TLV by Ari Goldfinger
@@daveman4863 Thank you. I wish my machining skills were as good as his guitar finger picking style. Whats next on your agenda. Bad words are at times called for.
Did you say what type of fluid you were spraying on to clean? I’m looking for a good cleaner that dissolves old gunk and doesn’t damage lathe surfaces. Any info would be appreciated.
I'm using Simple Green most times and Krud Kutter for the heavy stuff, good luck!
Hi Dave, It´s not important now, but that "bolt" is better approach under the headstock! (motor case )
😂 very entertaining!
did you want to keep it vintage, any reason to not upgrade to a brushless dc motor? You gotta be a climber/rappeler, those are not cheap pullies and carabiners.
I don't have too much sentiment to keep it all original, but it's most convenient to use the motor I have. Maybe a VFD is in my future if I feel like it. Good eye on those pulleys, they actually have served me a lot more in the shop than they have climbing
Taper attachment is a real score. So, motor has high and low ... reversing?? Seems like that would be more useful than high-low, especially since the 3 motor pulleys correspond to the spindle speeds of the gear box. Just curious if you're going to keep high/low or go to a reversal.
After doing a few projects, I feel spoiled with having high and low speed with a switch flip. As for reversal, I seldom have use for it besides power reversing out after power tapping, but even then I throw it into neutral and reverse by hand
I have a 4' heavy 10 I'm restoring. No taper attachment. Headstock, gearbox, bed, and cabinet are done. Saddle and cross side left to do. Replacement felt kits are available on eBay for the wicks. How's the clutch on the power feed?
@@daveman4863you need the reverse to use the back gear.
My lathe runs forward from the back gears while the motor is going forward@@djc9727
TRY A BLADNOCK SINGEL MALT NEXT TIME IF YOU CAN GET IT INPORTED LOL
I LIVE IN THE FROZEN HELLSCAPE THAT IS THE AMERICAN MIDWEST, SEEMS I WOULD HAVE TO GET IT SHIPPED, DO YOU PROMISE IT'S WORTH IT?
Is that climbing block and tackle?
Sure is! and funny enough it's gotten much more use in the shop than at the crag
What is the large hole in the tray for? Mine doesn’t have that feature.
It was there when I came upon the machine, so far it serves to just make my floor dirtier
Why didn't you use a brass brush to clean out the threads on the lead screw? It works for me most of the time without endangering my fingers, peace.
Brass brushes are great for day to day cleans, a string is good for deep cleans after many years of neglect
@@daveman4863 So, a string cleaning is better? I'd like to know why if you don't mind explaining.
it gets deep into the root of the thread and displaces gunk that's been stuck there. It doesn't do much for the flanks but that's when you follow up with a brass brush. String for me is a rare maintenance task@@russelljohnson6243
Next time you want to remove the chuck, put the lathe in back gear with out disconnecting the bull gear. This locks the spindle.
My dad sent this to and I told him the same thing. I was a MR in the Navy. The other thing is he doesn’t have a reverse so he would be able to use the back gear either.
15:15 I am actually in Sweden not Iceland, But close enough!
Very nice of the wife to let you use her toothbrush. It is had to find a good woman😂
It certainly is!
actually black is high red is low and white is neutral
Only just found you it's good that you make fun of yourself also the Whiskey was no good because you added water. The only think you add to Whiskey is more Whiskey. Have fun
Contact “Grizzly” in the N.W. USA, and give the # off the end of the way, They’ll tell you when & where it left the plant
I did shortly after getting it home, it was purchased first in Rhode Island in February of 1938 by the US Navy
@@daveman4863 for me it’s kinda neat to know when & where any machine has come to be, my Dad had a South Bend 13 X 52 in the back of the barn when I was growing up. It sold with the rest of the machines when Dad had an auction to get rid of his tools etc. I kick my but for not asking my Brother to set it aside so I could go to Mi and haul it back to S. Texas, It’d of made a good restoration project
I do really enjoy the history, especially the thought of it sailing in a ship's tool room. There's lots of South Bend's out there, you find the same model if you look@@normsweet1710
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safety squints😂
never leave home without 'em
You can’t just break that wrench in half? What’s wrong with you? Girlie Man.