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00:00 - Introduction
00:39 - Proxmox
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04:19 - TrueNAS
06:04 - CasaOS
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09:53 - UNRAID
16:22 - Ubuntu
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I almost never leave comments online but I just have to say your CasaOS video was great. It was so easy to follow through and have it up and running. From someone who knows nothing to actually have a server up and running, it makes it so simple. I really appreciate these kind of videos for people like me on the fence to learn more and the way your break them down for people who have no background.
What i love about UnRaid is that you can add drives as you go, without having to rebuild the entire array each time. I can upgrade over time as money and deals come up.
Easy to add drives in Asustor , QNAP, Synology, etc...; the array rebuilds in background over several hours, but still usable to the entire time..
I have been running my unraid since 2015 on the same usb drive and cache drive with no problems. I subsequently built one more unraid machine here in 2023. And I love how docker and vm how easy it is to manage. Thumbs up from here.
I use Debian 12 for my home server. Not because just "STABLE AF", but it can fulfill most of my needs. HAIL FOR DEBIAN :)
Hear hear! :)
But its simple?
@@Jannickjay Depending on your requirements. For me, I just want to run samba (for windows clients), nfs (for linux clients), minecraft server and a few docker containers. My docker containers: -Jellyfin + nvidia hardware transcoding -Photoprism Networking: I use tailscale vpn to allow connections outside of my home network to reach the server btw. Difficulty wise, it is not too hard for my use case. But little research and reading are still required.
My question for your kind of build is, if you want to upgrade your hardware, you're kinda stuck right?
Yea. Just made a Debian Headless server for mainly Samba shares. Easy Nas setup that allows for adding to it when I want/ can afford to etc. Runs my security cameras and all my storage needs. CasaOS for Gui/ ease of use. And a little extra steps allows for remote access anywhere.
Been an UNRAID users for years for my Docker/NAS needs, love it! I do use ESXi 8 for VDI and game LAN streaming (Horizon 8) and Windows VMs though.
CasaOS is not an OS, it's not technically based on debian because it's just a package you install in not only debian, but also Alpine, Arch or even OpenWRT if you're into that. It's just a frontend that lets you install docker containers easily.
So it’s just like a nice dashboard/GUI for Ubuntu server for example? So I can do Proxmox > Ubuntu server (CASA OS) > Nextcloud
@@HectorMartinez-xv4re yup! You can do exactly that
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Casa OS is my favourite out of them all! Thanks to you 🙌🙌
I've been running two Unraid servers for about five years with no issues.
For me, my preferred go-to is the tried and tested Debian + Tmux + SSH Easy, straightforward
One can also add Rockstor to the list. It's based on OpenSuse, uses BTRFS and has docker integration similar to that of UnRAID.
AFAIK the Unraid OS and plugins are read into ram at boot so read and writes on the USB drive are minimal so if it gets borked it'll almost definitely be down to something that'd bork an ssd rather than excessive read writes. Regarding the key I think you can install a backup onto a new stick and change it once a year without emailing support and it's really quick and easy.
Interesting video. Your list of server OSes and mine... only one overlap in the software that you list at the start and that I use: TrueNAS Scale. I took an ill-advised detour from Synology and built myself a TrueNAS machine for specific media backups. (I tried OMV and found it severely lacking and poorly designed). I do have a CasaOS VM, I wanted to see what it looked like. I had a NextCloud VM at one point too. Not useful if you already have Synology's suite of applications. Hypervisor: VMware ESXi (with vCenter Server). It's what I do for a living, along with Horizon VDI, and it's best-of-breed as far as hypervisors go. For containers, I have Docker running on one of the Synology NASes and on two Ubuntu Server VMs, one for production and one for test. I tend to spin up a VM rather than look for a Docker version of whatever I want to run. 20+ years using VMware software. Again, interesting video. Be well.
I love Unraid! So worth the price! Highly recommended!
Tried them all, like you I run Unraid, actually two of the, keeping file shares on a Asustor NAS that is using UNraid. Btw, backup your key fob Unraid to a computer, you can restore to a new fob if you have issues . Also use app data backup to backup your docker and container information.
If you're just after a bare bones virtualization platform, LXD or Incus (the new community fork of LXD) is a good option. Both have a decent web UI or you can manage everything from the CLI if you prefer.
@12:32 You are wrong about needing to contact anyone if your USB drive fails. First make sure you have Unraid connect setup so your USB is auto backed up. Then if you have a failed USB drive just get a new one log into your Unraid connect account download the backup zip. Extract it to the new USB then just use the online automated method built right into the OS. You can do that once every 12 months. I have 2 servers never had a usb fail yet in them after 6 years. Unraid loads fully in memory so after boot the USB has no reads or writes to it unless you reboot or upgrade Unraid.
I believe unraid allows you one transfer of the boot drive without having to contact support. That assumes you are using the community plugin app data backup and backing up the boot usb
9:55 respect for saving the best for last imo
I have a synology but i would love to try trunas can i create a partition on my pc drive and install it there so i can try and test trunas or add an externa hdd and install it there ?
Hi! Hopkins, regarding the USB with the Unraid operating system, have you tried cloning it to another "identical" USB drive that you are currently using to see if it works as a backup, attempting to start it? If you haven't, and you can perform this test, it would be a good idea.
I'll have to make a note to check out Unraid again...maybe when my ZimaCube is delivered in spring.
I run everything in proxmox then create big Ubuntu vms and run docker inside of it. I’d love to move to something like unraid but my hardware is split up currently and I don’t have enough storage to justify it. Once I build out (eventually) a HL15 or something similar with decent storage I’ll probably swap everything to unraid.
TechHut I'm just starting to get into homelabbing and such. If I have an NVME SSD for the OS and 4 SAS drives for data can I install/uninstall different operating systems to try them all out without losing data on the SAS drives?
When you buy unpaid do you have to buy it for every server you get or do you buy it one time and then you can install it on more then one server
It really seems you have three different categories of software you're dealing with: (1) a hypervisor (Proxmox), (2) a container manager (CasaOS), and (3) NASes that let you run additional software, whether in VMs, containers, or both (the rest). There's some overlap between these categories, but they're still fundamentally different pieces of software. I've at least played with four of the five (the only one I haven't touched is Unraid). I've been using FreeNAS for 10+ years, followed the upgrade path to TrueNAS CORE, and moved to SCALE about a year ago; I run a number of apps there (anything that's dealing heavily with data that's on the NAS, runs on the NAS). I've also been running a Proxmox cluster for a number of years; that's where VMs and LXCs run. A direct alternative to Proxmox would be xcp-ng, using Xen for its hypervisor rather than KVM.
I went with openmediavault after installing all of them beside Truenas which needed to remove secured boot. Unraid was a POS and couldn't share anything with my Windows servers. Also it was the slowest writes ever (50MB/S) comparing to OMV (800MB/s). Of course ymmv but the gold goes to OMV.
Hi! thanks for videos! Can you tell us if it is possible to use Truenas Scale with the PDC (Primary Domain Controller) and if it is possible, we would greatly appreciate a video with this content. Thanks!!!
Also not a fan of the USB-drives for booting Unraid, but having them mounted internally (if you can), you just kind of forget about them. I have replaced 1 drive that failed about half a year ago, and I managed to delete the key-file, but support sent me new key within like 3-4 hours.
can you do a video on Arch Linux and OpenSUSE and whether these Servers can be used for RAID Storage with back-up
Hey Brandon! Thanks for making this video! I run TrueNAS Scale as my media server, and I have a separte box for my router running OPNsense... I've been playing with the idea of consolidating it all with Proxmox as the hypervisor, but some tell me that it's not wise to run my router virtualized.... May I get your thoughts on that? Great video as always!
Not Brandon, but I am someone who uses virtualized pfSense and containerized OpenWRT at multiple different sites. I highly recommend it when your current environment does not support multiple bare metal appliances. In my opinion, bare metal will always be more reliable. With that said, if you're able to run a virtualized/containerized AND a bare metal appliance, this will provide the best of both worlds. I'm not sure about pfSense or OPNSense, but OpenWRT allowed for scheduled backups, which I then copy from the container to the bare metal appliance. This is done using a cron job that initiates an rsync session.
@@AccidentalMisfire09 I have access to bare metal (it's how it's running right now) but I want to reduce my footprint. I currently have a custom PC system running TrueNAS Scale for my NAS/media serving needs, and I have a separate custom PC build running OPNsense. It runs super well but I want to consolidate it all into one box to save on electricity and whatnot. I was thinking of using Proxmox as the host/hypervisor OS (aforementioned above), as I've tried using TrueNAS Scale's virtualization to virtualize OPNsense but it was an unstable mess.
@@ShiggitayMediaProductions I've only used Proxmox and unRAID for virtualization and containerization, so I can't speak to TrueNAS's reliability. I have heard a handful of coworkers speak well about it, but if you're set on OPNsense, then virtualization would be your own route since it is BSD based. Totally doable, I'm just not super familiar. With unRAID, I had to pass through my 10G SFP network card to the VM and everything was super easy from there. Main thing to look for is IOMMU support from your hardware, which will make passing it through much easier.
I insist, I would love to see one video ( or even an article) about home server + GIS. I don't want to deal with PostGIS on my own x_X.
I've been using NixOS on all my home servers for a while now and I couldn't use anything else at this point. Sure, it has a learning curve, has no fancy GUI and is not going to be as noob-friendly but it is so convenient and powerful to set up your whole system declaratively in one config file and then have it update itself continuously. And if something breaks and you need to reinstall, no problem, just copy over the config file, rebuild the system and everything just works. Infrastructure as code > GUI.
DAMN IT MAN! You had the perfect number 69 uploads. It was perfect. Perfect. You gotta do 99 more now so we can all still go “heh…. Nice”
oh snap, seems I'm too neurotypical to enjoy this
it would be good to have in proxmox the same behavior unraid has with spinning hard drive. They can be set to automatically spin down when not used. Any known way to have that?
Hi man, BIG fan of you videos. May i ask a request? Do you have any video where as you explain from scratch how to setup a "homelab" with everything to server OS to applications and how to install them 🙂 (noob perspective) This would be very educational
I just moved into a new place, once I get everything set up. This is one of the first things you want to do. Probably a week or two.
@@TechHutI would also like to see this. I bought a Bee link s12 pro and upgraded my ram to 32 GB. I currently run my Plex on it with windows 11. My plan is to run unraid on it and have everything run from unraid but need a place to start. I have recently bought a cheap Synology nas, I'd love to see you do a unraid from scratch showing (1) how to link the Synology to the unraid software, then (2) how to go about setting up everything like hommar, Sonarr, Radarr, Tautulli and ombi
Nice lineup, thanks. Question: One of the things I would be wanting to do with a NAS, is run an instance of OpenSimulator on it. But I haven't been able to find out if that is even possible. Does anyone know if any of these platforms would be an appropriate environment for OS?
I mean I can try it rn Since opensim runs on Windows if you have a windows os running or a Linux based os with wine you could probably run it, you could also kasm it as well so that the os you are running is just in the browser
Seeing I just use k3s anyway, all I need from the OS is storage mgmt. So need the lightest weight one possible as the rest is self managed. Looking at fedora server which isn't mentioned here.
I love TrueNAS SCALE so far, but I wish I could have at least tried Unraid without paying.
@@zero-dawn oooo thank you, I missed that!
what if I wanted to install Emby onto Proxmox so I can stream from my server to my Nvidia Shield, would that work?
debating between OMV and CasaOS, although CasaOS has actual Docker native (apps i need are available) where OMV you need to use portainer, im actually leaning heavy towards OMV because of RAID support where CasaOS AFAIK so far doesnt support raid... maybe its planned i dont know
also if you run OMV on top of proxmox it means you can make a backup of the whole omv installation easily for an almost instant recovery if something goes wrong
@@Mrhorribubble yes, I'm planning to actually run 2 instance under proxmox... OMV (NaS) and Win Server (hosting game server)....only reason I haven't done till now is because I've been debating about hardware selection for the past few months 😅
Having to run from a USB stick is a deal breaker for me, especially when it must be restrictively registered. I want to have a mirrored drive for my boot/configuration files that can instantly fall over.
I wish Unraid would get off of using USB as a boot drive and switch to SSD/NVMe... Call me dumb but this is the main reason I don't run Unraid... Even TrueNAS stopped recommending USB boot devices. There is a reason
Ubunto srv with portainer and cockpit. Tried a lot os solutions but i aways go back to it.
I have tried them all and they all have their pros and cons. Unraid not having bitrot protection was one of the cons along with it not running debian. Otherwise an almost perfect home server solution. TrueNas is just too op for home use but for business applications a perfect fit.
@MrCoffis My understanding is that UNRAID supports SMART that prevents bitrot and also if you use ZFS with Unraid it solves that issue also? Have you tried either of those? Thanks...
@@be-kind00 from what I understood is that it doesn’t hash the blocks to detect bitrot. There are plug ins that can do the hashing and tell you there is an error but they are not corrected. So you’ll have to use a backup to restore. ZFS does it constantly as that is built into the filesystem. It checks which of the drives is “lying” about its data and restores it on the fly. I went the snapraid route for my server and it’s a perfect fit for my use. It checks and fixes bitrot too. Disks stay spun down and only the one in use gets to spin up every now and then. It was a close call though between all of them. They all have nice to have features. If Unraid was free it would have made it an even harder decision 😜 Also if I would go for ZFS I wouldn’t want to use Unraid for it. TrueNas is a much better solution for it imo as its built for zfs.
I'm still not sure about some of those points and would like to hear from others. I tred truenas for a month and it was too complicated and had very poor documentation and the in-app help was worse.
@@be-kind00 it gets some getting used to but once you get it it’s not that bad. I used some youtube videos to help me. I used truesnas scale and core and they were pretty similar but scale was kinda better because of docker. What kind of difficulties did you have?
It's a long story, too difficult to learn and very poor resources.
I have used all the options discussed in the video except for unraid which is the paid option but my favorite is my Synology NAS model DS920. Synology is another paid option obviously and i feel it’s better than unraid. Synology has its own NAS Software running on their own pre-built NAS which is just as easy as unraid or easier and i know i never used unraid personally but a friend of mine use it and they prefer my Synology setup over their own because of how easy it is with all the features included. Some of the other i still use like like Proxmox and Truenas Scale are install on hardware then i have OpenMediaVault and CasaOS running as a LXC container but they are also good as VM’s but use more resources that way.
Hi TechHut, I have seen a lot of videos of your home server setup and i tried to replicate the same but services that you run there are not many videos showing step by step installation of those, like Proxmox, or Sonarr or Radarr how to link them to torrent and Jellyfin etc.. can you make videos with the step by step setup process of services that you use.
I would also like to see this. I bought a Bee link s12 pro and upgraded my ram to 32 GB. I currently run my Plex on it with windows 11. My plan is to run unraid on it and have everything run from unraid but need a place to start. I have recently bought a cheap Synology nas, I'd love to see you do a unraid from scratch showing (1) how to link the Synology to the unraid software, then (2) how to go about setting up everything like hommar, Sonarr, Radarr, Tautulli and ombi
Having license tied to the boot drive and having the boot drive only able to be a USB drive seems like such a hilariously terrible design. I'm surprised they've stuck with that over the years.
CasaOS is interesting but it’s a Chinese company. Would be wary of any back doors
i am using casaos
What about umbrelOS?
I was taught "separate storage and virtualization" and personally prefer FreeBSD so I still run Truenas Core + Proxmox as my 2 'main' servers. Before that I manually configured FreeBSD, then moved on to FreeNAS. Xen used to be my hypervisor of choice but moved to Proxmox and have been happy with it. Currently rebuilding my Proxmox server and want to play around with Scale so I'll probably run a Scale VM which still seems wrong to me but I'll get over it. Tried OMV and Unraid and while I didn't see a reason to move away from Truenas I do get why people like Unraid so much.
why separate virtualization and storage? i currently have openmediavault and was looking to switch to proxmox so i can run virtualization as well. But why have them separate?
@@mfvancop3371 I worked for a datacenter that did an in house backup solution then VM infrastructure then cloud infrastructure over however many years and it was considered best practice as we rolled out the VM/cloud infrastructure. Honestly for homelab use it's not a big deal but it's a habit I find hard to break and never had a good reason to give it a try. If I lived somewhere where electricity was more expensive I might feel different and of course ymmv, best thing about a home setup is you can do what works best for your use case.
Lol Unraid still using those silly USB sticks
As i sit here and watch this, i find myself wondering what "protainer" is and trying to figure out what exactly a "learning curb" is. Lmfao. Sorry, my mokey brain got distracted.
teamOS
Proxmox FTW. Docker--.
I admit that I don't do much, but I prefer just running Ubuntu server.
Yeh unraid is missing out on a market in the cloud / bare metal world Its just a ludicrous idea tieing the license to a physical USB Good in theory, but in practicality
Cant believe in this day and age, that everyone loves UNRAID. when, in this day and age, it can only be run from a USB drive.. WHY? That is the biggest SINGLE issue why I will never use UNRAD. I dont mind pating for software, but I would at least ecpect it can be installed on an SSD like a "proper" system.
lol unraid price comment aged poorly
I know. But they were selling it a bit too cheap.
Linux + Cockpit
URaid typo in the first list in the video.