The Truth About Blue Origin's Orbital Reef Space Station!
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Blue Origin need to get to orbit first before proposing future projects.
On God!!!
Blue Origin sure does love to give press conferences. How about they get into orbit first, then they can take stock of future projects.
You mean like New Shepard? They're actually not very good at press releases either.
The Washington Post reporters are making an infographic showing how you are wrong and a big dummy who's not in the club. 👨🚀
@@michaelthomas7898 That thing has never got into orbit.
Blue Origin is really good developing and presenting amazing renderings of things that do not exist.
aka vaporware
I laughed when bezos was presenting those huge earth like space stations
Over the 20+ year career of Blue Origin they have proven themselves to be experts in lawsuits, un fulfilled promises and significant hardware delays. There is no way that Blue Moon lander will be ready before 2030
By 2030 BO will have the Super New Glenn rocket that will make the SpaceX Starship look like a toy. Because the Super New Glenn will only be available in the toy aisle of WalMart. I hear it will light up and make cool laser sounds.
@@protorhinocerator142 😂
@@protorhinocerator142 😂😂😭
Based on Blue Origin's track record, there is no reason to believe that Blue Moon Lander will ever fly.
Almost every time Blue Origin in mentioned they tell us about there plans for the future. I think NASA has to take a lot of the blame for BO being useless. Blue can just write proposals and NASA throws money at them. I'm a SpaceX fan because I'm 62 and don't have 40 or 50 years to wait for New Glenn to fly! So I think Sierra should just tell BO to go play with its suborbital rocket and let the big boys get down to building a space station.
IMHO... NASA has dropped by the wayside. They claim they can't duplicate the tech that was used in the previous space program events, which I think is a lie. Although they may have merely decided not to do anything for their lame and undisclosed reasons, however, they should join forces with SpaceX to move forward... IF humanity is really going to go that route. Personally, I don't think it's worth our effort to go out there, until humanity resolves our problems.
EXACTLY.
Let's face it, that Orbital Reef 'design'/concept is way out of date and needs to be redone, before any more time/money is wasted on building it. This Blue Ring concept will meet the same fate, unless they modernise/rethink it.
Yes
Couldn't agree more!
Sierra Space has said they could get the Dream Chaser to orbit with SpaceX. SpaceX and Sierra would be a great team!
The colour scheme even matches!
That wouldn't even require Starship. Would use the normal Falcon flights
I wonder how real that possibility is? It would be awesome if SpaceX were able to help Sierra. They are definitely deserving of a better partner than Blue Origin…. I wonder how well those inflatable “Reef” modules would preform on the surface of another planet, like, oh, I don’t know, maybe Mars? 😉👍
The problem I see with Space X is that they tend to like to do things alone, due to their work ethic and need to want to do vertically through their own company.
@@Thethyck4445for good reasons though. When SpaceX started they were a laughing stock (Neil deGrasse Tyson, Neil Armstrong etc). No one believed in their capabilities and so would not even partner with them. The only two options were to give up or do things on their own. When people started noticing what was possible they got in the game to compete with SpaceX, not to partner. Those who partnered did so to compete and they went with partners that seemed to have cash and fancy CGI. So yeah, it's not a SpaceX problem, it's a matter of them surviving in a hostile environment that made them vertical and I love it. Interestingly, those who showed faith in them have not been disappointed so far. Heck, they even opened up the patents.
Blue Origin is perplexing. I would love to read an inside story, I believe the challenges are tied to the wrong management style vs technology. Bezos used the management approach of large established aerospace firm, rather than the entrepreneurial ‘break and learn fast’ management approach of Spacex.
remember if you chose to fail put an accountant in charge
@@kend6693 DEATH...by MBA!
@@kend6693 Really depends on industry, would be dumb if you put accountant in charge in a fast moving industry, for stagnating industry with multiple company cannibalizing each other for survival, accountant makes the best CEO.
An established "aerospace firm"??? More like an established mail order and fulfillment service. The guy has no understanding whatsoever of aerospace firms, and wouldn't know how to build one. Hence, the "problem." (There is no problem, really - he's fleecing the government for billions.)
Bezos is good at buying zillion dollar yachts and suing Musk.
I don't really see a problem with the orbital reef. Put a SpaceX Starship in orbit, attach airlocks to it in appropriate places, and *voila*, there's your orbital reef.
Don´t need to be the Starship; the Super Heavy can put in orbit a space station module as a second stage the same way the Saturn V was converted to launch the Skylab station, 50 years ago.
Better yet, temporarily attach it to a power/cooling/comms boom, and then bring it back a few months later, so another can take its place. And while it's on the ground you can open the damn door, and actually clean the insides without worrying about poisoning your flight crew.
Well that would work but Sierra does not have the money for it, they were depending on Bezos for the money but Bozo decided to keep it instead.
Yeah but the problem with what your saying is it's to simple. He makes it to fxxking complicated, Elon makes a rocket and Tests it, knowing full well it will blow up, then he takes all the data and builds a better rocket or changes the computer programming. Jeff bezos tries to make perfection first time, that's not how sxxt works
The moment they announced the reef I said to my Mrs "how can a company that can't get to orbit even start to make a space station?", her reply was to laugh out loud and reply "they can't". Even now they still haven't even come close to getting beyond the carman line (spelling not correct lol) let alone to get into orbit!
Back round 2016 (???) they impressed me with the engine restart and clean landing of the New Sheppard rocket. Then a couple years ago they impressed me with taking William Shatner into space for all of 10 seconds. I suppose their most impressive feat is the wonderful graphics they have for showing how "one day" they will fly to the Moon, land on Mars, build a Death Star, whatever. That and their impressive ability to extract money out of NASA in exchange for a handful of magic beans.
@@protorhinocerator142 I don't think they were even real beans
not only spelling not correct but New Shepard has been beyond the Kármán line over 20 times.
@@leeswecho only the pod has made it above the line for a couple of minutes at a time, hardly a prize winning feat lol
@@PerilousPaddy no the booster has also made it above. but the point isn't how impressive it is, I'm just pointing out the OP is incorrect in their original statement.
Can Blue Origin be considered a space company when they have never put anything into space?
SpaceX starship is a lot more worth to hope for
They have sent tourist into space and have a working rocket system... albeit not the most reliable one.
Exactly what I'm thinking of...
@@giorgiolelmi8175I love how spacex has almost no plans for a station they're so focused on the delivery system that they'll let everyone else design their own station to be launched on starship. even ignoring the starship part and just using super heavy to put a bigger station in orbit could be done ya know? A 30m long inflatable hab could just be put onto the super heavy
@@leafboye33Why bother thinking about designing a station when the ship could just be said station.
Blue Origin is the company that really listens to humanity's dreams about space exploration and for enough money they are willing to talk about it.
😂
Blue Origin is not in the space exploration business. Blue Origin is in the grant acquisition business. The money is huge and they don't have to actually produce anything. It's a great business plan!
The core problem with the Orbital Reef is the same as with most of Blue Origin. They can't put anything in orbit. They're nowhere even close, either. NASA awarding them a moon lander contract was massively premature. Also, keep in mind, BO was founded before SpaceX.
And New Glenn is -STILL- mostly parts laying on a warehouse floor.
@@wesleybeaver A very CLEAN warehouse pretending to be a rocket factory. All their "engineers" are wearing suits and shiny hard hats, carrying clipboards, and taking meaningless notes while looking at static displays. Meanwhile real SpaceX engineers are tearing up and replacing parts on the rockets and launchers down in Boca Chica at a furious pace. No suss clipboards to be found anywhere. Cranes, power tools, and leather gloves.
Blue Origin has been round for over 20 years, and aside from building a human rated sounding rocked hasn't done much. It is sad to me that NASA and so many private space companies have tied their fates to Blue Origin.
Oribital Reef in trouble? Uhm, didn't we know that the moment BO announced Orbital Reef???
To me, based on whats been publicly stated. My guess is behind the scenes the teams hit a roadblock related to incorporating windows into the inflatable modules, and its stymied everything.
Maybe when Blue Origin gets to orbit, we could send all of their lawyers there. How are they going to build a space station when they cannot make orbit? It's not going to stay up very long!
Orbital Reef really Looks Futuristic 😍
Dreams are. It was an impossible concept to get NASA dollars.
Yeah it does😢 I am sorry that the Slow Turtle Blue Origin has in their slogan is a real thing 😝they Ditch'ed the consept though. And are super Focusing on the moon race and beating SpaceX to the moon. Blue Origin does not have a Rocket yet. And SpaceX is soon ready for second attemt with Starship 🥰 I am Sad though since two big Companies would bring the best to the table for all of us.
Things that "look futuristic" and things that haven't gotten off the ground yet, name a more classic combo
Another good, well informed and objective one, without schadenfreude or cheerleading, so prevalent on YT.
Everything changes when starship can put a 150 ton 27 feet wide payload into orbit. They will want to redesign the station for that capability. An inflatable module fitted to starship could easily expand out to a 60+ foot diameter. Orbital reef looks pretty stupid next to that. Especially if they start linking them together, tethered apart, and slowly spinning.
👍🏻🙏🏻❤️You were incredibly diplomatic about Blue Origin!😂❤️
from its earliest days iv been sceptical of blue origin they love to seem like they have all these big plans but they never seem to go anywhere they are more concerned with there image rather than actually delivering
I really like Sierra Space.They should patner with a winner like Space X or even reach out to Europe and India.
Now, reaching to extremely fast advancing India and/or disappointingly lagging Europe would be a good idea. Actually, ESA/ISRO partnership with addition of Sierra could produce very concrete results in just several years.
Europe maybe. India, I doubt the US would let them in. SpaceX will be the obvious choice.
Dreamchaser is designed to fit in a standard 5 meter shroud, so it can launch on multiple platforms, including of course, a Falcon (don't even need a Falcon heavy). At least for Dreamchaser, they don't need to partner with anyone, they can simply buy transport services.
@@Rocketsong Well, _adapted_ to fit (folding wings were not in the original design, nor in any of the long series of predecessors Sierra Space draws on), buy you are right, they can launch on a variety of rockets.
Glad I found this channel. Exactly what I was looking for to stay up on everything related to space exploration 🤘
i almost took a job for BO earlier this year...but decided to turn it down because the management seemed a mess even from outside the company looking in. I love their vision, but their execution is still very much in question for me.
Indeed
Wow this is amazing,hope it will work out great in the future!
Hey there is a channel (NASASpacex) on KZhead that completely reuploaded this video
I fully agree. Blue Origin is all talk, and only seem to do "work" - barely thought out renderings to secure contracts and make promises only to be continually pushing back finish dates in perpetuity. We should stop giving them the coverage until they show some competency.
Nice work tsr🎉
Orbital Reef is a multi-modular (many pieces) space station like the ISS or Mir. These designs are expensive to build, deploy to LEO (require numerous launches), and operate. The ISS cost more than $100B in today's money and required 10 years to build and assemble in LEO. The multi-modular Orbital Reef space station likely will cost ~$20B to build and launch to LEO. The other alternative is NASA's Skylab, a unimodular (one piece) space station with ~350 m^3 of pressurized volume. This alternative is relatively inexpensive to build (it was assembled on the ground), was sent to LEO in a single launch, and was relatively inexpensive to operate. Skylab cost ~$10B to build and launch to LEO and reached its operating orbit about 30 minutes after launch. SpaceX's Starship can readily be configured into a huge unimodular space station with more pressurized volume than ISS (1100 m^3 vs 916 m^3). Cost to build and launch to LEO will be ~$5B. The first Starship space station could be sent to LEO in 2026, well before the ISS is planned to be deorbited (2030). Side note: My lab spent nearly two years (1968-69) developing and testing components and systems for Skylab.
It is a very big and complex and expensive project to build and put a space station in orbit around the earth. As a result it can take more years than originally planned. By comparison building a research station in Antarctica is far simpler and less costly. Also the research station is on earth which has an atmosphere.
Can you do a video on the first inflatable stations put in orbit. Over 10 years ago C.O. Bigelow put two inflatable stations in orbit. What ever happened to them?
Can't wait to see the life moudle in space! 😊
It was well to call attention to the windows issue(s). Picture windows are for tourists, and Reef has to be a functional workspace long before it becomes a tourism venue. It may be that Origin is planned to provide visual platform for lunar and orbital traffic, but that can be accomplished in dedicated space rather than enlarging a vulnerability into what may need to be an 'unscheduled events' core. I think it's perfectly okay to be NASA ugly. Space is hard, there's no customer service when Gravity stuff happens to the fan, it only has to be darned good work so that the machine can do its bit of a job to save lives. Orbital Reef as a series of satellite factories, transfer or rescue base camps, energy harvesters, and laser-print facilities, (and what could be done in a zero-gravity surgical center?) or even computing centers, doesn't need to be tourist pretty to provide a stable, repeatable keel that will support building colonist hardware that has to go somewhere else to do a job. Considering what kind of job Blue Origin has to do, there's a lot of science on the list that has been encountered before in the pursuit and pampering of tourism, from the Disney submarines (!Yay Electric Boat Company!) to the Hindenburg's gas cells (and there's no shame in letting the Nature of space itself do some of the work). Space Gateway must not repeat Ocean Gate. Building for the pence things means the pound things will be much easier to take care of. Not all tourists travel empty handed.
Blue Origin, under Bob Smith, has basically been a company where deadlines simply don't matter. They seem to have no sense of urgency whatsoever, and have let _years_ go by with nothing to show for billions of funding. Hopefully, under new management, they start to turn things around. We'll see.
By the time BO actually gets to into orbit, spacex will probably have gotten Alpha Centori lol
more orbital class announcements than orbits actually achieved
I don't understand why NASA gives any money to BO at this point. I'm not aware of ANYTHING BO has delivered. At least ULA, Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop actually deliver, even if they are slow, uninspired, take no risks, and make crap, they at least deliver crap, which is still more than nothing.
I just don't see extended life in space without gravity and sufficient shielding from radiation. If those hurdles are overcome before we destroy ourselves, then sure, I'm sanguine about humanity's future.
9:50 "Life moudle"
wOW, Cool CGI !
damn. I was more pumped for the space station than for the moon
A significant problem for the inflatable modules for space station expansion is the size limitation and fit-out mass. All equipment to be used in the module needs to be launched into orbit and be transferred into the module via the access hatch, including wall plates, air ducts and other structural components.
We probably need to transition to bigger air locks at some point but that's a whole other challenge I guess
Have you never seen a pop up camping trailer? Humans have been building these pop out habitats for centuries dating back to the Romans. Elon Musk even lives in a foldable house from Boxabl. All of these use the same concept of the components being contained within the folded or compressed outer shell. Reef is the same centuries old idea. It’s not just an empty deflated balloon. The interior structural components are all already there inside the core of the deflated module. Once it is inflated, the components are pushed out from the inside to reinforce the inside of the inflate membrane.
Wrong. The LIFE habitats have a solid metal tube as the spindle of the structure. Life support, recycling systems, computer support, and communications are placed there pre-launch, as well as tools and any immediate need supplies. The 'walls' and floor(s)' are plastic coated prefab sections folded and strapped to the spindle pre-flight, for deployment and placement once inflated. The ONLY things that would have to be brought in might be the hydroponic/airponic plants for food or atmospheric conditioning. The only thing a LIFE module would actually need would be a power tap from outside.
Space X: Established in 2002, first orbital flight in 2008. Blue Origin: Established in 2000, first orbital flight in *ERROR WILL ROBINSON*
As usaual, that news story is "Don't invest Or Hold your breathe" !!
Maybe if NASA and the various involved parties were to have connected with Musk's SpaceX, instead of Sierra's Blue Origin, there most likely would have obtained quicker & better results since Musk's SpaceX company has a proven track record getting things done quickly and efficiently.
Why can't NASA withdraw money from BO for Orbital Reef and recontract to Sierra alone for the Space Station. Then Sierra could choose partners that have a track record instead of the master of vaporware --- BO.
Sierra should see if Space X wants to Order a few modules. Would be easy for Space X to build a small hub for docking and power for modules to be attached to. 😮😮
The only thing Blue Origin has given us is BlueBalls from the constant teasing of new projects that never materialize.
Blue Origin seems to be the Hyperloop of spaceflight
love your videos I think blue origin is fantastic........ at making animated videos lol
Jeff Bozos is living up to his name!
At 5:45 Did they make that in kerbal space program??
Gives new meaning to, "It's not rocket science."
I'll hold my comments until I see Blue Origin actually get to orbit.
I know I'm late t the party for this vid, but major issue was Blue Origin's priorities were all over the place. New leadership coming in trying get them focus on money makers which they do need to do. Like engines, which are finally coming around. Once that done, they trying get New Glenn finished and making money. Blue Ring makes sense, that growing field and then big money ticket is the lunar lander project. Sierra Space is tough bind, their not rocket maker, they do make space vehicles. I'm not entirely sure how their going get off the ground without reliable lifter. It was reported else where, Sierra has dislike how SpaceX treated them or something that nature...So I'm not sure they will use them to launch. Which would be very bad, because no body in industry can do turnaround as fast as SpaceX.
Creating a space station is hard. But need to get the rocket and logistic support up first.
It would be nice if the Beto crew actually flew (yes I know you don’t actually fly) in space. Hence maybe they’d be taken more seriously.
I wonder how Sierra’s inflatable modules would perform on the surface of Mars? Perhaps SpaceX would be interested in a test and then Sierra could dump BO?
Nice plans, but where are the engines?
So they deliver once in a Blue Moon?
It's becoming more obvious that Blue Origin may be that company that takes a fast food sandwich and paints it, glues just the right number of seeds on the bun, sprays it with oils to give ithat glossy juicy look, selects just the perfect pickle, they craft it ti look like a flawless sandwich no-one could resist. But of course it's only an artistic fantasy, and in reality it will never exist.
It must have some kind of artificial gravity shouldn't it to research?
why arnt we putting a star ship heavy around every planet with a star link system to scan and map the planet and be able to scan the moons around them and be a solar james web style to view out in diff areas
Nasa should be awarding contracts based on results...
sad that the group that has the best plan five years ago still has the best plan and nothing more. some of the chinese startups went from idea to orbital launch in two years, bo went in five years from suborbital to suborbital.
Honestly, Sierra should have known better than to partner with BO if they ever wanted anything more than pretty renderings, at least in a reasonable time frame. They would have been better off partnering with Boeing.
I mean, this decade will be crazy fir space, just watch.
As with other stuff with Bezos, it all looks wonderful. . . . . . . on paper.
And the CGI work is nice too!
Any day now, Bezos & company will reveal it's renders of their record setting, world- changing Monorail system!
Disappointing we don't have more stations and experimental types of stations in orbit in 2023
It's always a great look to legally wrangle a contract you failed to get on its merit, when can't even deliver on your existing projects....
I have always felt Blue Origin was a scam.
not unless Bezos is scamming himself. It's his baby and he's put a billion $$$$$$$ into it every year. Space X started the same year with an all in by Musk of around 80 million. All he had left from his share of Pay Pal.
They have a top notch animation department though, they need to move from space travel and get into entertainment
Yeah, The CEO of a company called spaceX said they will be going to mars by 2024, all the while they have been destroying the environment and taking millions of dollars worth of government money. It's a sad world we live in.
I feel like this snake oil i bought was a scam, it said it would fix my bad knee but it didn't 😢
People that work there have said it just feels like a billionaires hobby
Perhaps Sierra Space should team up with Axiom, adding inflatable modules to Axiom's core. I like what both those companies are doing, and they might be complementary.
What! What are you on anyway; do you have any idea what people are posting about!
@@ninersix2790 This isn't about what other people are posting, but about the news itself. Sierra Space is left hanging because Blue Origin isn't doing their part. Meanwhile, Axiom has been developing a set of small, solid modules that will start out attached to the ISS and later detach to become an independent station. Both Sierra Space and Axiom are building actual hardware, not just PR animations. If Sierra Space's inflatable modules would work best attached to a solid core, Axiom Station might fit the bill. And Axiom Station modules have the same docking port standards as the ISS, so Dream Chaser would be able to dock to it.
Tenacity should launch on a Falcon Heavy.
NASA should use SLS to put a huge moon space station, into Earth orbit, with all supplies and docking interfaces. Then, use FH, F9, or Vulcan to launch additional propulsion segments. Astronauts can check it out in earth orbit. Then, use Vulcan to launch an Orion capsule to dock with it in Earth orbit prior to transfer to lunar orbit.
Hmm and this “huge moon space station” could maybe be called gateway?? Hmmm 🤔
Blue Origin is truly a clam
WHY should we have to disregard Von Braun's orbital ring?
Politics is the bane in development. You will see crap like this throughout history. Like when Henery Ford tried to market his car. He faces an uphill battle against a company called Allen. Sierra Space would do well by teaming up with Spacex or maybe with one of NASA's booster to test there landing craft. Also these modules that Blue Origen is working on could be carried in Starship once that is developed with room to spare.
The key phrase in the whole video was "nothing of substance". That describes BO to a tee. At some point they will be investigated for fraud.
Sifi story with PPT?
Just deliver packages we are happy
Blue is probably gonna find its place as a subcontractor. BE-4 engines just sent Vulcan on its way.
Well, it goes to show that it does not work if you go to your grocer to get an aeroplane designed. Marketing and law suits will not serve.
But what is the actual build status of the Orbital Reef Space Station, and when is it planned to be in orbit???
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I'm still sad Bigelow foundered during the pandemic.
NASA giving BO billions makes perfect sense, from a government boondoggle position. BO has yet to orbit so much as a paperclip.
Earth has a problem: Blue Origin
Maybe Sierra ought to work with SpaceX
1:47 All that power and doing nothing. Amazon revolutionize shoping but in rocket need to learn from SpaceX. Maybe they must go in they own way.
35 yrs away
I think Orbital Reef has run aground. On a reef. Bezos probably has a luxury house there, with a helipad of course.
I keep waiting to see Blue Origin prove they can actually build an orbital class ship and not just ride off the success of amazon and SpaceX. Till proven otherwise Blue Origin is just that company that built an unsuccessful joy ride for the rich with a bunch of pipeline dreams that will never see the sun.
Orbital Queef?
Besos seems to be more of a (rich) manipulator than an Engineer. He seems to throw money and swim in the red tape, and expects to accomplish something of value. If he's picked out decent engineers, it's possible (I guess). I have my doubts that anything will come of his 'dreams'.
So is Elon Musk. Actually Bezos has a degree in Electrical Engineering….
@@allangibson8494 Elon Musk is a success by creating an EV that is wanted (as well as other 'green' products) and by bringing Space back into our culture. Bezos did basically the same as all the previous businessmen did, but slightly better and more monopolistically. Elon is a Doofus (that is commonly loved) but also an Ass (in management and politics). He built those companies 20 years ago. Bezos' monopolistic practices have proven that he takes whatever he wants and destroys what's left. Part of that process includes copying winning products and then lowering the prices until the original company crashes. He started Amazon 30 years ago selling books, and then just took over the rest. I understand and see Elon's Software Engineering being repurposed and used in his thinking. I used to be a Software Engineer. I can't see Bezos' Electrical Engineering being practiced in any way. Just Customer and Business manipulation. I had some Electrical Engineering training.
Elon Musk's lack of a degree in Electrical Engineering is an insignificant detail compared to his outstanding talent in bringing a team together and inspiring them towards greatness. SpaceX's progress alone is a testament to his exceptional ability to bring together a highly skilled team and steer them towards achieving one common goal. @@allangibson8494
Sierra space is about done... the dream chaser is done and the life habitats are in full size testing and launching... so we can take the shuttle and 60% of the space station somewhere else
Blue Origin is the Star Citizen of space companies.
Don't read into any of the images put out for Orbital Reef. These are just concepts that are not actually designed, and basically amount to pretty pictures to generate buzz and potential investment.
Blue Origin is at best an amusement ride company.