Shane & Mark with a Proper Deep Dive into Boots!
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This was a great informative video for anyone from beginner to professional. I have been snowboarding for 20+ years and still feel like a beginner in this arena. Always love the chance to gain new knowledge from the industry OGs.
You guys are the best! Love the videos! Much love from the Cardiff crew!
Love hearing long informative content like this. The history you guys include in your stories make it so interesting. Keep it up y’all!!🎉❤
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I've been riding since 92, and you guys keep teaching me new info. Absolutely love your videos. Please keep em comin! Much love from Kelowna
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I'm glad Mark said he's always cranking his BOA's on and off each run, I do the same thing and thought I was crazy. 😂 I love my boots super tight. But sometimes I do wonder if its a sign I should maybe try stiffer boots.
I have the 2020 Rome Inferno with a 7/10 stiffness but i always think i should have a 10/10 stiffness :D
For my traditional lace... I found this cool little company called Strap-Ins --- just a single Velcro strap (or two) for each boot. You put those around your boot(s)... Pull'em tight / position where you want them / easy Velcro style / adds so much extra little snug to your boots... magical little accessories 👌👍
The term is to run the GAMUT not gambit boys! 0:38 1:05🤘😂 Regardless great vid thank you.
I always had a problem with cold feet. I can't believe I never knew about the main artery and shin tightness having an impact on foot warmth. Thank you!
Great video. It’s nice to hear someone else also experiences quicker response from the Step Ons. The convenience is a non-factor to me, it’s all about the responsiveness. Cheers! PS it would be cool to see a boot fitting video from your channel/shop.
Best video yet on snowboard boots. Great information! I remember watching Mark at the Nagano Olympics. To this day, I think he's the best carving snowboarder I've ever seen! One of my favourite snowboarders ever!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤ So great to see you on this channel!
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love all the videos...thanks guys
Great overview. Very well presented.
Zip fit liner with custom Silas insoles will change your life and that liner will last 800+ days you’ll just swap them into new shells and your feet will always feel amazing! Worth it, snowboard boots need to borrow some tech from ski liners
Which Zip Fits are you in? They're insane liners! The ones I've seen so far all seemed very thin around the ankle/calf, and I was worried they wouldn't take up enough room in my boots. I'm not surprised you like them. Would be cool to know more about the different models. I'm currently in Intuitions (aftermarket). Thanks!!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel I’m in the Gara HV since I have thin ankles and have had no issues they’ve molded completely to my feet and I have virtually zero heel lift, you can always add more cork if needed too! The slightly tricky part is finding the right shell for them, in my ride Insano’s the dorsalis artery of my foot was very compressed causing my foot to lose circulation but I’ve since swapped them into my Vans Infuse and have had zero issues! The most comfortable my feet have ever been with amazing performance!
@@Chasingsteeze great info!! Thank you so much!!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel hey lars thought I'd chime in here since I like your channel lol... I picked up the zipfit gara HV for my boots too but haven't ridden them yet (next season)... The intuitions didnt work out for me, I found they didnt fit my shells properly no matter what I did.... I have low volume feet but and its close but the HV still doesnt have enough cork material for me as they come so I'm planning to add some to the tongues to get them dialed in (part of this is softboot shells having too much volume and not having enough low volume options or giving information about the last size like ski boots). I would prefer to get into a lower volume shell to begin with but ive tried all the brands and none of them are great
Awesome video, makes me excited for my next pair since I was dumb and bought some cheaper ones. Pro-tip for the speed lace system, wrap them around the back of the boot and tuck into the sheath on the opposite side. Keeps em out of the way and you don't need to wrap them up.
Great video! You guys are the best so much detail and history. ❤️ I remember in the early '90s, Puma shoes came out with the first disc, called Puma Disc for running shoes. Then, I think Boa started, as you said in 2001. I'm sure it's not the same company, but maybe Puma started it or they maybe the same group of people ? So on my Vans Infuse should I go down half size still (but not full size ) right ? I know vans already also size down a maybe 1/4 - half then regular shoe size already as I measure the insoles..
Love to see you guys review the Supermatics.
Love it! Some great info guys, I've been loving the long format info sessions! My question is, I have a pretty wide foot... but it's only 9.5... and there don't seem to be many options out there...
I only ride nitro boots. They fit my foot better than any boots and the updated tls is the best system out there.
Would love to hear more in depth videos about boardercross, banked slalom, etc. Especially in terms of gear.
Thx for the support ! we will for sure look at that!
Love it! I did the same shit in 1990… Sorel boot with ski boot liners.
Literally ordered new boots the day before you released this video😂 went with Burton Photons (over ThirtyTwo Lashed BOA). Let's see how this plays out!
Planning to get boss for the tightness, so this was nice for reinforcing that logic. Hard to get my current boots tight.
5’-10” 200 lbs. I typically ride traditional camber/ stiffer boards. I just picked up the 2024 capita DOA in 160 and use jones mercury bindings with ride lasso boots. It’s fun as hell and a nice board to have in the quiver. Been riding for 28 years and the DOA just fits for what I like to do on the majority of times out.
Love my Vans Infuse, and this season I've been running the Supermatics with them. Definitely a fun system, really quick to get in and out of. Feels similar to my Union Force (classic) once you are locked in.
Clarkson agrees👌😆
Thanks for another great and informative vid. I have remind medic insoles and for me they are excellent. Really interested to see what you guys think of the supermatics, I find them great and with wide feet it’s a quick entry system that gives me more boot choice (bet you’ll find them heavy though).
it was worth every minute!!!!
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Stiff boots on stiff binding on stiff board it’s preferred for most hard-charging soft boot carvers and even freeriding if you’re a heavy weight over 220 pounds. It’s not important for park in the same way but weight are a factor on gear. Most snowboard and gear are made for 140 lbs. For example I’m at 240 lbs with 11,5 boots k2 thraxis on flux XV binding on a stiff custom Donek flux 172 cm ww 29 cm an d that feels nimble and easy to ride. A korua CF 164 cm feels like a noodle in deep carvs in my weight. Just a thougt to have in mind. Thanks for a good video.
Korua CR164?
@@elmartrefz3562 Korua Café Racer, 164cm.
@@elmartrefz3562 Cafe racer 164 cm
@@elmartrefz3562 Café Racer 164....
I agree it’s frustrating trying to read reviews and all these people saying don’t go too stiff I got burton ions and they feel soft to me I’m 245 and 6’3
Interesting to hear your comment at 30:45 because my setup this season is very similar (2024 Stratos with Atlas Pro and Vans Infuse boots) but the responsiveness feels great. Definitely have to watch out for surprise moguls though
I’ve been riding Burton ion for the last decade, looking to switch it up next season, thanks to your great video 👍, hybrid looks good .Your comment about board,boot,binding set up as in stiff across the all three is no good ? Stiff board , med bindings , med / stiff boots etc ? If you could get techy with this topic could be fun for us old school riders looking at new tech set up. I lived out west for years my last season was at whitewater 2000 , now I have no idea why I’m out east lol in Quebec, we get good pow pow but the crust underneath plays havoc on any setup I think. Anyway it would be great to have your input.
Thx for the Video 🙏 could you do a similar video on bindings 101? Did i get it right that you would recommend the board to be stiffest part then bindings medium/hard & boot medium/ soft ?
Badass video!
Thank you.... massively enlightening for this dinosaur skater/snow noob
Huh, I thought I made a mistake by buying Union Forces and Deeluxe Deemons, but it felt fine and now I was glad to hear that apparently it's a legit thing to do
Given the comments on sizing, I would love to hear a bit more on "comfort" vs "performance" fitting. Are you implying that going smaller was really about heel-hold? I've generally been snowboarding in 9.5s while my street size is 10.0. Back in the late 90s I tried going down to 9.0 and it KILLED my feet and ankles. More recently the boot vids talk about comfort vs performance, hence my request for your thoughts on the matter. Thanks again!
This season I've been working as a lifty, ive got an old pair (2006) of dc boots with 1 boa and I pop it and can wear my boots all day, walk around no problem and can even drive to the hill in them
Old school rider of 39 years now and have been riding my Burton Shawn Whites for probably 15 years, they’ve held up great and I find the stiffness perfect for me. I find today’s boots to be too stiff and I’m not sold on the Boa or speed lacing, no real reason just like the laces. Recently I’ve been looking at boots and I’m curious what you two think of the Burton Kendo vs the 32 Scott Stevens lace up ?
Step-ons terrify me. Not putting my spine at risk over that few seconds of convenience.
Great video! I am shoping around for a new boot - I have been riding Ride's Cadence boots for 5 or 6 seasons and love the double boa system but I find these boots packout around day 30 and cranking on the boas creates pressure points around the lacing system - I am noticing it especially this season with the icy conditions! Suggestions/viddeo on women's boots would be appreciated!
We will get Carmen on a epi soon to go over the womens side! Most of the Shop Gals Ride the 32 Lashed or the Burton Felix !
Guys. Thanks for another great video. I wanted to hear a bit more on what are the top drivers of a boot's response are. For context, I chatting with Dave D on how I wanted Step-On Photon flex but with a dual-zone BOA. He suggested I put the Photon liners in the Ion shell (easy fix for a pro!). I generally think of liners as the comfort part of the boot and less of the performance part. Any thought in general on how the liner would or would not contribute to softening a boot like the Ion? (Note, I've been on Ions for years before moving to Step-Ons.) Thanks!
Just buy an aftermarket liner in that case. The liner definitely changes stiffness of the boot setup. Also using any sort of strap like strap-ins works for making a boot feel stiffer.
EST step-on bindings with adjustable high backs are coming next season
would love to see an episode on splitboard boots and bindings!
We have a few on Bindings already but for sure will get one going on boots!
I'm a DC phantom fan i do throw in remind inserts they are super comfortable even though they are on the stiffer side and ive grown to love the double boa and let's face it they are the coolest looking boot far which is the most important thing lol
I have burton ions new this year on day 16 they are starting to feel soft and my feet slide around a bit I got the remind insoles they helped the movement but I was thinking of getting the sbc wrap from intuition was wondering if they would help stiffen it up a bit? I’m 245lbs and 6’3 on a BSOD 169w
Good video guys. I'd love to hear you talk about custom insoles and using aftermarket intuition liners in place of the stock ones. I suppose some people with nonstandard feet just need the additional help to really dial a boot where others have no problem with stock. Wasn't Mark involved in the development of those crazy high boardercross intuition liners? I'm sure they aren't recommended for regular riding, but I'm curious. Also, I believe Mark had said he rides Photons, which is a bit surprising as they are only single zone boa (with the snugger strap). Ions too stiff for his preference or is it just boa vs speed zone?
Photons are double boa. Also my favorite boot. On my 3rd pair in 4 years.
@@Tych333 photon step ons are not double boa, they have one boa for the whole boot and one boa snugger strap
@@joshuasills My bad, I didn't realize the step ons were different.
My son went recently for his first time... So then I broke out my old gear that's been stored for 20 years... I can't fit the boots now, but he does... i guess I will rent for a time or 2 and see what I might like , maybe get my own boots first, and see if I will ride enough to get anything beyond that... my son will like this old setup I think...it's a decent deck , with Morrow E3 step in boots and bindings.... I'm surprised I can't really find the Engage 3 stuff online at all, and it never really caught on... I really lived it for the handful of seasons I rode this setup...
What do yall think of the new ride fuse?
I was looking at the Burton Driver X with Jones Flagship. I was originally thinking or pairing with the Union Atlas. Too stiff? What binding would you recommend for this boot/board combo?
If you’re a bigger guy on a big board go stiff all the way I have ions atlas on a black snowboard of death 169w and I’m 240lb I find the ion too soft a big stiff board needs stiff boots and bindings to power it
You guys have any recommendations for aftermarket liners to improve heal hold in nitro capitals?
Replaced my 2016 pat moore infuse with new Burton ions. Tried them 4 times and just did not like them and ended up selling them and going back to my old infuses even with the holes haha. I wanted to try the k2 thraxxis my buddy who is also around 6’3” 230 loves his. The one thing I’ll say I don’t like about the infuse is they are a huge pita to get off hahaha.
That was great, never thought much about boot flex before. Would you choose a stiff or soft boot to pair with Union Force on a Jones Mountain Twin?
Its still preference , Fawcett would choose a Still Boot , where Shane would go softer on that set up! Depends how aggressive your carving style is or if you lean more towards freestyle riding!
Awesome
@tributeboardshop Can you tell me what boot they're holding at 3:50? The black double boa ThirtyTwo with the zipper gaiter. Been looking for something exactly like that! Edit: Found them! It's the 2024 ThirtyTwo Focus Boa Sweetin boots
Austin Sweetin Focus Boa
@15:28 that’s meeeee! I’m an instructor and I don’t have time to be messing around with my boots. I do spend 6+ hours in them 5 days a week so I am definitely going through a pair of boots about every season and a half. Is there a lace up boot that’s good for an instructor? I’m currently on the VANS standard OG hi.
Is there anything comparable is stiffness to the Burton SLX but in BOA not speed lace?
I'm close to 200lbs so apart from comfort, my top priority is stiffness. I want them super stiff. Allows me to carve hard, takes the effort off the calves on the toeside and protects my ankles which have had a hard life. And these days for me dual Boa is the only game in town.
Out of curiosity, what is the story with the Transition snowboard on the far left? It looks similar to my first board called Treeline which was made in Kelowna in the mid 80s... the same shape nose and it had metal fins by the back binding but not on the front like this one. I've never heard of Transition snowboards before and couldn't find anything about them online. Do you know where they were made?
This beauty is a 1980-81 out of Ontario Canada!
I was looking at that board a good chunk of the video. It’s a cool old board
The shop where I bought my Burton Ions says that heat molding will not improve heel grip, but that it only accelerates the break-in period and might actually make heel grip worse (I have narrow ankles and historically have trouble with heel lift). I am already using two j-bars... one on each side of my heel. Are they BS-ing me because they don't want to bother with the heat molding. Will heat molding help the boot better grip my foot?
Super nice video. So you guys do not recommend the Thirty Two Christensons Banditos as the only everyday boots? For powder, but also groomers, side hits, jumps in the park, some jibs?
We have used those for all mountain - they are great for those coming from the " old skool" era - Lateral movement is great and very comfy obviously. Mached with a stiffer binding this is a great boot!
Nice. Thanks. I will pair the Banditos with Jones Orion Bindings and Hovercraft 2023 snowboard.@@tributeboardshop
Nice! I will pair these with the Jones Orion Bindings, and the Hovercraft and the Otto. Gonna do it, right? Thanks.@@tributeboardshop
Any insight on vans linerless boots?
Hi, I have Burton Ruler boots with a double boa system and I find that the inner side of my boot on the ankle bone gets really sore. Why is this? And how do I adjust the boa system to put less pressure there while still being not too loose around the top of the boot? Should I be running my boot looser at the top? I have tried backing off the boa that tightens the bottom section of the boot but this don’t seem to help at all. The only thing that seems to help is loosing the top boa section, but this tend to leave the boot feeling too sloppy 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ Should I be looking for a lace up system instead to offer me a bit more adjustability in the tightness of the boot in different areas? Or is there some way of doing up the boa system that I’m not aware of to give me more flexibility in the mid boot section? Any help here would be appreciated as it really makes for an uncomfortable day on the slopes
Look for a set of J-Bars to add to the ankle area - this will add additional support in that zone . Angles on your board may also be adding to this , some adjustments there are likely needed !
@@tributeboardshop thanks so much for getting back to me on this. I will look at getting some of these J-bars and look at my angles from my setup too. Thanks for providing such great content
Is it common for last year boot model to be completely sold out? Been trying to find the hi standard pro Cole nav in in black
I just got some New Vans High Standard OG, and One is Narrower than the Other... AKA Crap. So I'm Sending them Back to get the Ride Lasso Pro.
I went with double boa for my first pair of boots, last year, and I have issues with them loosening up on their own throughout the day. Particularly when I walk in them. I find I have to tighten them back down several times each day. Burton Photon's. I find it quite annoying and plan to go a different route when I need a new pair.
Could it be the liner packing out during the day?
Correction, the most important thing to buy 1st is a Ski Key ! Keep up the amazing work guys.
? what is a ski key ? haha
BOA. Best for shoes that need tightening at different levels and tight. Ice skaters and cyclists (mountain and road) are important customers for them. They have a LIFETIME WARRANTY last I checked.
7:15 Hidden Innuendo. Literally. "Just Because its Tight, Doesn't mean its stiff". Bwaahaahaaaa. 🤠
Would be nice to have store to try boots. Market is so small here in Finland so its Thirtytwo or Burton. Only boots that fits me right was Nike Kaijus. After that i have been in pain lol
I rode my Kaijus into the ground and I loved them. I’m in the ride fuse now and they fit similar to the Kaijus but with stiffer lateral flex
Haven’t watched the full vid yet but question. I’m relatively a beginner, we’ve been renting gear when we go but I’d like to have my own so I just have to rent a board. I wear vans daily for my tennis shoe, but when I look at the vans hi standard oG and pro, it says these are for intermediate to advanced riders. So the vans boots will be a poor choice for me or can I still wear them?
You can still wear them!!
Perfect beginner boots - don't pay too much attention to those designations. Union Strata bindings with those vans and a jones mountain twin and you're set.
If you like to do "set it and forget it" with traditional laces, and want your laces to stay in place all day, and not move as you tighten them, change your boot laces for waxed hockey laces. They work wonderfully for snowboarding boots.
Truth!! we have some of our shop riders that always use those
When You say Sled Riders; Are you Refereeing to Snowmobiles? I Run a Husky on a Sled; as in My Dog Pulls me on a Harness attached to a Dog Sled...
Mark, try Northwave boots and you can stay tied up all day. Stiff and comfortable!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
I'm tripping up on the mondo size. Says I should get a size 9 according to mondo size. But my old boots that I've had for 9 -10 years and they are the same size as my shoe size (10.5 US) Thoughts? I'm trying to order online. Preferably the Van's infuse or something same price range that is lighter in weight.
Try your best to get to a shop - we never reccoment ordering online when it comes to boots! Its too important !
With step-ons you need a stiffer boot because the bindings add no additional support. Traditional bindings just give you more options like keep the boot looser and crank the binding down for stiffness at the same time. You just can’t do that as much with step-on.
Anyone wanna give some feedback on my new setup this year? Thinking it might be a little too stiff. YES pyl board, Burton cartel and burton photons double BOA
Sounds like a sweet ride to us! Loosen your upper boa for a bit more lateral flex as needed !
I hope you guys do an episode on affordable gear options. You guys talk about all this cool technology, but a lot of it is hidden behind high prices
Honestly, a great video would be “how to buy gear, used vs. new” to help know what needs to be bought firsthand vs second. there is some stuff (ex boots) that just can’t be cheaped out on or bought used, but there is other avenues to put together a kit for a fraction of the cost (ex bindings, beginner boards).
Went from speed lace to Boa. There is nothing similar about it :P Basically you are going from primitive tools to space age tech. Whoever spends more than 10 days on the mountain/year should get a Boa boot. It will change your life. Now on my second pair after retiring the first Boa boots (Ride Insano 2012) with 9 seasons on their back. Once you go Boa you can never go back.
Malavita discontinued????????
Also Burton spend all that money developing step on version 2 but don’t make SLx compatible. Not that i ride step on
RIP Adidas
Suffered from boot pain my entire life until I used Adidas Accera boots. Now Adidas have stopped making them, so I will have to find me a new brand. Anyone used Adidas and found comfort with another brand?
Try the 32 Focus Boa , so customizable ! Could be a good choice coming from Adidas
Second this! Have ridden two pairs of Adidas Tact adv. I have never tried a boot with such great heal hold and the sole is amazing with ultraboost. Would you recommend the 32 boot for me to? Have pretty wide feet, high arches and skinny ankles 😅
Speedlace is 90% annoying finding it then when you find it 10% of the time they perfect. Burton SLx need boa like ion sick of speedlace only
Footprint insoles are better! Remind insoles are good but not near the level of footprint.
My main artery doesn't go to my feet.......
Smh. Just bought boots online the other day. lol
I just keep buying dead stock Nike boots from 2013
VANS boa are designed by overthinking engineers. K2 is the best, simple and effective.