Tools for Forging Round Rings
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Do you really need a ring roller in the blacksmith shop?
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"Requires the greatest level of skill" and proceeds to make a perfect circle in no time 😂
Practice, practice, and then practice.
@@tdyblacksmithkeithcoleman3365with a large side order of practice. Even with a ring roller, one requires practice to make proper rings. I agree with his assessment for the utility of a ring roller in his general applications shop. Maybe if he was doing steel rims for wagon wheels or filling multiple cooper orders, otherwise it's just money spent to sit in the corner. In my use, I've used a small ring roller for jewelry more often than he'd likely use the larger model and well, I don't make many rings to order. And the tool that one doesn't use, well, it's just in the damned way.
I’ve tried that. My rings always look like garbage. The horn is only sort it round on an angle
Are you implying he did not utilize a great level of skill in the process?
@@gabrielmiller5309absolutely! There was no great level of skill displayed, there was only a phenomenal level of skill on display. I'd probably be still puttering around with that damned thing into next week.
I watch this guy like some people watch cooking shows. I just love him.
"...and the most difficult way and that needs the most skill is to use the horn of your anvil..." Proceeds to make a near perfect ring on the horn of the anvil in around a minute. Classic! Thanks for this one - making repeatable curves is a real challenge.
I think John was just showing off!! Of course, after decades of practice I wouldn't expect anything else!
@@RyanBarnes yup exactly...the first time I tried making a spiral ...years ago..I struggled for hours over the horn and it kept straightening back out on me as I hammered...in the end I did it using a leg vice as an adjustable bending fork and didnt go back to the horn for a very long time.
I bought a cheap-o roller to make rings for a job. And then used it to make forms that I could clamp in the vise. Having uniform arcs or full rings of known dimensions is a great way to speed up the process, and saves you from having to rely on trial-n-error.
Ive been putting off making trivets for my aunt. I want to different sizes to set hot pans on. Going to find a four inch pipe and an 8 inch pipe now. Saved me some head ache watching this...
As many hours as I spend watching you provide such great information I am very appreciative of the remind how we can give backs little. Thank you so much.
You are so welcome!
Thank you professor Black Bear 🐻
I've recently subscribed to your channel. ❤❤❤❤ I live here in the Scottish Highlands. 40 years ago i did metalwork in school and loved it and have always wanted to return to this as a hobby. Now with you and You tube I am finally getting the chance to learn properly 🙌 😀. Bought a small anvil and leg vice. Now I need a coal forge and some hand tools. I am actually a time served stonemason and later retrained as an Upholsterer. Being doing that for 29 years. Hopefully my hand to eye coordination will help ? Thanks for your help ❤😊
Welcome aboard!
Never too late to start forging! We look forward to your endeavors.
Here's a project I recently did: coil a 10' stick of 1/2" sch 40 black pipe for a boiler, about a 4" coil diameter. Approximately 5 coils. The hard part is keeping them lined up so it doesn't look like someone over pressed a spring and made it all catywhompus.
Classic Black Bear Forge video, thanks John for sharing your knowledge. You continue to influence a lot of us who are striving to be a good blacksmith.
glad you enjoyed it
I’m so glad this question got turned into a video. You’re a wealth of knowledge John, and I am so thankful for you and your channel!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you!!!
You're welcome!
Thanks John!
None blacksmith but found video very interesting. Thanks
It’s been a while since high school math, thanks for the pi refresher.😉👍🏽
Good Morning John.
Morning!
Another great, no nonsense video full of information. Thank you sir!
You can also draw a true circle with chalk on a table to check your work.
Yup. This is a good one that needed telling. Wagon wheels, I don’t know about anyone else but that’s a skill I forgot a blacksmith had to do. Be interesting to see one made.
Thanks so much for this video! Although short, there was a LOT of information packed into it useful for new blacksmiths! Thanks for taking the time to make a video from the questions asked by the community!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you so much for the support
When I first started blacksmithing, my boss made lots of tires for wagon wheels. I always thought that was a fun job with an antique ring roller and double coal forge going...great times. It`s not done a lot nowadays since most wheels use a rubber lined profile. It is nice to know how tho...
This is something I should do when I get time to get round tuit.🙂🙂
Love the video!! It never fails when I watch your video I always pick something up from you! Thanks again
Great vid, Jon! I like how clearly you explained the math for the ring sizing. Do you have a video that goes more in depth about the mathematics of blacksmithing? It's an area I sorely lack in.
Try adding 3, 4, and 5 and getting 90!
Amazing video as always, thank you for spreading the knowledge/ information
As always thank you again for your tips and tricks!
Thanks for the information... When working with 1/2" thick stock and bending it to that dia. there would be some stretch in the material. So you would probably have to trim off one end to get the required size.
Round rings...? Round...! Dammit, now I see where I've been going wrong all these years... 😲
I dunno, square tires on a wagon certainly make for an entertaining ride. ;)
Love those cones for shaping rings and that tool that bent that 3/8 x 1.5 inch in a circle was amazing. Just guessing at the size there.
Lots of good information in this video, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Enjoy watching all of your videos but I'm not even done with one cup of coffee and you're doing math , c'mon now 😂
great video
thanks..
Thanks!
And thank you for the support
Thank you Sir, I just realized what that slot in my Holland Anvil cone mandrel is for. Didn’t know it was specifically for the nose of your tongs. Another excellent video sir.
Glad I could help
Ótimo vídeo! Foi muito útil pra mim, obrigado!🎉
Amen to not waiting on a deposit for special orders. Experience is often the accumulation of mistakes.
I make a lot of rings. For holding flower pots. Nothing too heavy and nothing has to be absolutely round. I discovered that a ring roller for me was more labor intensive than using a mandrill. Mostly done cold work. The secret is. Not to get to aggressive with the hammer. I made a special hammer shape heavy sucker rod that strikes across the width of the ring. Mostly 1/8 steel flat bar , strip.
I have about 5 different sizes of big garage door springs, and quite a bit of it so have been wondering what I can do with it using the rings cut off with minimal further forging. Of course I can straighten it out, but this video is good reminder sometimes circles can com in handy as they are.
Thanks for sharing with us John. Enjoyed the smithing and flunked the baking session. Pie R 2 EAT. Keep up the fantastic videos and work. Fred.
I guess I can't argue with that logic.
it only takes once, to learn that lesson..
Ive got an anvil which has a bottom with 4 different sized round scoops and 4 channels going across it , two with v shapes one small one larger . Then two half round , one larger and one smaller . What was the anvil used for .
I can't count the number of times I have considered a ring roller but for one off jobs I have to say its far easier to use a longer piece of bar than you need and work it round on a mandrel of some description. Make sure its the right diameter before you weld the ends and then smooth it out using a wooden mallet and another piece of stock with an appropriate bend in it..... I reccomend any new smith not to try using the horn at first for anything important because theyre not round and not designed for making round things, theyre made for making horse shoes....their is also no support for the bit youre not hammering, which tends to straighten out again or get more round ..... Johns circle there was a result of many hours practice...many hours Thanks for sharing good sir
"probably requires the greatest level of skill". Proceeds to make it look easy. :)
love pie joke very good video as allways
I'd opt for the machine that winds suspension springs.
I forgot about the floor mandrel. I’ve not seen a video where you have used it in probably 3 or 4 years. I was always jealous of that tool. Impossible to find.
I do use it fairly often, but it doesn't make it into too many videos. Salt Fork Craftsman has cone mandrels from time to time - www.saltforkcraftsmen.org/cone.shtml
5:10 John I feel like you should have saved this for April Fools: "Now most blacksmiths have a ring roller like this, so just use it to make all the rings you need!"
Hi ,fairly new to your channel. Love watching forge work, you are a master at this by far. Just wondering, do you sell flint and steel strikers. Thanks for sharing video. Tony.
Thanks, I do sell strikers occasionally. But I can't say when I would have any available
How would you forge a cog? There is a story from an aquaintance of mine, thats quite advanced in ages, about a smith he knew in his early days, thad did one to mesure on the spot in about an evening and some.
been there !.. the check, never came..
soooo, many times.
@@tdyblacksmithkeithcoleman3365 how many times does it take to for u ??.. it only took me once..u must be a blacksmith beginner..
@@tdyblacksmithkeithcoleman3365 how many times does it take u !. u must be a beginner blacksmith..
Hahaha piece of cake 😂😂😂..... I'll admit you got me.
Holland anvil makes a reasonably priced cone mandrel. I got my floor mandrel at a estate sale because it was a piece of history... I never thought I would use it as often as I do. I got a fly press at the same estate sale..... I need to figure out how to use it better, any advice?
Here is a playlist on Flypress videos I have done. - kzhead.info/sun/ZqmNaZhxh5-raa8/bejne.html&pp=gAQB There is also a good DVD available - www.blacksmithsupply.com/DVD-The-Fly-Press-Learn-How-To_p_71.html
This was useful - but my question remains - how do you effectively join the ends of the ring together?
Forge weld, half lap with rivets, mig or tig,
@@BlackBearForge I couldnt find a video from you that shows how to do that. I'll admit - you're from my favourite blacksmith on YT. I'd like to see you do that sort of forge welding, because it gives me the confidence to go ahead and try. That includes the half lap with rivet on a ring.
I have made many dozen rings by just cutting a broken garage door spring.
lol I’ve made mild steel “springs”, by wrapping stock around a pipe, just to cut it apart for consistent rings, in the same fashion.
Should have waited until thrusday and made this as a pi day special.
Good morning
Morning
Any tips to make rings the hard way…on its side?
Just correct the tendency to twist with every heat.
So how does one close said circle?
Forge welding is ideal for ornamental work. Electrical welding would be an option as would a lap joint and rivets.
Like John said, the forge welding would work. If I understand the principle well enough, you should be able to scarf the joints, and forge weld it that way. On that note, John, if we were to scarf the joints, any tips to make sure we don't mess up the diameter of the ring or the thickness in that weld area?
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