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Hey Beekeepers this is a video I threw together in the process of dipping. Therefor the details are scattered throughout the video. If you would like me to do a shorter more detailed video let me know in the comments! Thorne Box Dipping Tank thornemfg.com/product/wax-dipping-tank/ Camie 1080 Mold Release amzn.to/4awbkMx
How can one do it with 4 bee hives? Paint them?
You mentioned the price of wax being $1.40 - $1.50 per pound in 2024- can you share your source for wax?
Budget wooden ware? Pretty knotty. The 300 degrees will help dehydrate the wood. No moisture, no mold or fungus to rot the wood. Pretty cool.
Hello Kamon! Box preservation is very interesting, and I'm with you on painting them. Will this company be present at the upcoming January conference? :) 45 boxes an hour seems like "someone" could be doing that as a nice sideline service. Great point about ground contact accelerating the deterioration of any woodenware. I'm going to be following this system closely :) When bee clubs purchase gear collectively, someone still has to store it. Interesting about the boxes slipping on hot days, that's a great point. Keep on posting, I'll be watching!
Yes we will be at the Expo in January with our complete lineup of Extractors Tanks And The Big Dipper!
Hey Fred thanks for stopping by! Thorne will definitely have this unit at the Bee Expo. Absolutely, I think there is an opportunity for folks to provide this as a service and add a lot of longevity to wooden ware!
Thanks from cold Russia! We're doing it on a bonfire, ho ho.
What is the projected life span on wax dipped equipment over painted equipment?
20 years on a single dip more if you dip midway into the life
here recently, iv seen several posts on the local fb bee clubs of people asking bout wax dipping. iv got a layens frame swarm trap that is wax dipped, bit of over waxed, but it works. i do not do the lang sq boxes, i do horizontals langs and moving into layens now, using the conversion hives i built. id much rather wax dip then, mostly to bring out the natural grain of the wood, and been using rough sawn "green" (air dried bout 3-4 months) from my sawmill, and some of the knotty pine is absolutely beautiful and it sucks painting over it. But unless i build a tank, im not seeing anything that'll do horizontal hives. guess i need to price stainless and brush up on my tig welding
Wow that’s slick are the boxes glued and does it break down the wood glue ? If you left it in extra time i don’t think it wood hurt lol 😂
Hey Drew, yes I glue everything. I have not seen any signs of the glue weakening with the dip but it may a little. Everything is still holding right on stuff I dipped 4-5 years ago
Do you still glue the joints and if so, does the wax still penetrate the joints or just the bare wood?
Hi Tammy! I do glue the joints. TITEBOND 2 does a great job even being wax dipped. The wax does penetrate deep into the end grain of the joints as long as you don't paint or glue the end grain
the biggest problem other than cost I am seeing is shipping the wax to my location. I don't see it on Thorne's site and can't find anything close to me here in Pennsylvania. Any help on this?
Thorne may not have it on his website yet but he does sell it and keep some in inventory. A guy just got his dipper and had wax on the pallet with it.
I'm thinking no, but going to ask anyhow, could you dip older boxes that you painted?
I have dipped a lot of painted boxes. Fades the paint but it works great otherwise
how long to heat up the tank to be ready to dip.
2.5-3 hours depending on outside temps
What about dipping tops and bottoms?
It works quite well for those too. Just stack them in and close the lid, the rack system will keep them from floating!
…did he say cost?
What if there already painted
That’s a super nice set up kudos to Thorne Mfg. Kamon good to see you back
Thank you kindly Randy!
How many pounds of wax to fill the tank initially?
About 350 lbs. It is a serious investment. But for someone with several hundred boxes, bee buddies, or a fella wanting to sell boxes and pay for the machine that way it works great!
You're right on the termites. Wonderful ran a bunch of wax dipped pallets. I was up there last month and asked about the durability of those pallets. I was told that treated pallets lasted way longer than the dipped ones because of termites.
Hi Randy! Great point on treated wood vs dipped for ground contact. I hope your spring is full of good news for you and the bees :)
@@FrederickDunn Wishing you as good a spring as we're having. It's been a great year thus far. Spring Titi, Ligustrum and privet hedge is going crazy. The yard smells great. Temperatures haven't been bad so far either.
Thank you for sharing, looks like a neat design. How much wax is used up for each box, approx?
Thanks for the comment! A deep box uses slightly over a 1/3 of a pound
What did that set you back? I love it but I don't have very many bee hives. OMG I just saw the price 3249.00! You're a big produce so I can see you having it. How do we do it at home?
Hi Truly Lynn! Find a local store, bigger beekeeper or bee club that can buy one for the community
Version 2 is looking very good! It's great that Thorne took suggestions to improve it. I just got some of the unassembled Propola boxes from Bob and they are almost worth the extra for how easy they go together. I would say it takes half the time of a normal box. Hope you have a great year!
Hey Kamon, I know you said the process of wax dipping hive bodies has been use for many years. Any problems attracting pests? Wax moth or SHB?
Thankfully it does not since it doesn't have that hive smell that those bugs are programmed to want. Happy Beekeeping!
You can't hate painting any more than I do. 😆 I love wax dipped equipment. That is one nice machine. 👍
Nice tool💪🙂 I imagine that makes the road easier
Hey Kamon! 🤓
I saw the Thorne display at the Expo. Impressive. Wish I could afford one. Thanks for the video. Been missing you
Thanks Dave for hanging out with us at the Bee Expo and supporting all this growth in the bee industry. Excited to be back making videos
Nice piece of equipment. I hate painting with a passion. Especially lids and bottom boards, but boxes too. How many pounds of wax does it take to fill the tank to proper use level?
325-350 lbs
@@jed2927 Thank you!
Why not build a specialized box(es) to dip lids and bottom boards. You could put spacers in the box to keep lids and bottom boards separated during the process.
Very nice set up Kamon. Great job explaining everything.
Yep I have screen shot of that style designed wax tanks, someday. Real nice drain system, higher temp quicker dip. Thanks for sharing Kamon, Blessed Days...
That's awesome. have you broken down the wax cost per box and how much wax it takes say per 100 boxes?
It takes a third of a pound of wax per deep box
@@kamonreynolds Awesome thank you Kamon.
Can you just shut it off for a week with the wax still in it and start it up?
Absolutely. The wax turns into a solid around 160-170 and then you have to reheat it to a liquid the next time
How many pounds of wax do you need to run the this set up? How many boxes do you get done before needing to replenish?
It takes about 350 lbs to get to working levels.
How does wax dipping old painted equipment turn out?
Really well. The paint will fade some and the sap in the pine will try to pop thru the paint so it may not look as pretty but it is well preserved.
@@kamonreynolds Thanks, I bought a couple hundred pounds of wax a few years back and its been sitting around in the bug workshop. This Thorne dipper is class but all I've got is a 55 gallon drum. Also are you really spending your lunch break answering my dumb questions lol 😁
Great to see you making videos 😊 keep them coming 👍
Will do Brian!
Glad to see you back!
Good to bee back
I have some wax deeped boxes from ????? and after 1 year they start to weather turn white. . The opps paint at lowes has gotten twice what it was last year. Still think painting is going to be where you end up.
There are chinese companies out there selling "wax dipped boxes" that are not holding up. Hoover Hives, Bee Castle, and a few others dont cook their boxes in wax and they don't use the right type of wax that can withstand hot summer days. This practice works wonderfully if executed properly
True, the Hoover hives aren't holding up, even after just a few years. They sure smelled good when they were new though :)
Great vid. Please protect your eyes.
Well look who it is!! Lol!!! Great review!
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Thanks for working out the kinks on this with Jed.
I always wondered how the wax dipping would do in Arizona in the heat of the summer. Do you have any idea on this?
As that machine operates at 300F (150C), I would say it will do very well.
Proper wax does well since it takes a heat of 160-170 faren for it to melt. The wax I am using is Canada wax that Thorne sells.
looks like it would be a perfect addition to my collection of cool bee toys
Great idea.
How about wax dipped frame parts? Help prevent winter mold?
It could be done but I typically don't have problem with rotting on frames and that would add a lot of time and wax to the equation. The thin wood may bow or warp too come to think of it. They would shed water though and probably not get that bit of mold they sometimes get.
Good to hear you back.
Important safety tip....."Don't do anything stupid!!!". Easier said than done!!! 😆 VERY nice setup!!!! Great to see you back Kamon. Your "wit" has been missed!! Take care!!
Thanks Keith! 👍 Hope you are doing well!
Glad to see you made a video about this Kamon! I’ve been eyeing one myself.
Thanks Andrew. Let me know if you have any questions!
WOW! Jed is the man! craftsmanship on steroids. --what a great wax dipper.
Great video kamon, great to see you back! Have a great day :) 😁🐝😎👍
Nice to see you back Kamon
in my semi professional opinion LOL. I think by the time you pay to paint take time to paint dip in chemicals and have to wait for said chemicals to air out you will save so much on time and financial resources there may or may not be one of these show up on the ranch soon. thanks Kaymon 👍
Hey Seth good to hear from you! I hate painting and I hate the smell of copper Nap too!
Very nice Kamon...you sold me on doing it
Slick unit!! Whose research did you mention on the wax dip time?
It was Tony Kadai that presented at the Expo, if you went you can watch his video. He works for the wax manufacturer so it would be in their best interest to cook it longer if it took more wax. Going to try 300 for 3 this year.
@@stevenaamos Thank you, we always did 300 for 10.
Really looking forward to this being available and seeing the price tag. I would love to be done painting!
Are there no paraffin residues in beeswax or honey? Something like that is unthinkable here in Europe.
But parts of Europe uses polystyrene. Canada had certified this wax as food grade. (Whatever that really means)
@@kamonreynolds for what? certainly not to preserve bee hives.
Slick!
Silicone lubricant will release the wax from the mold as well and probably cheaper
How would one have to apply that? This is a thin Silicone spray and done. But if it was a lot cheaper then perhaps another method would be better.
@@kamonreynolds Same way. It is just and aerosol can of silicone spray that you can walk in to any hardware, auto, or home store and find on the shelves. Right beside WD 40. LOL
Thanks for the tip
@@kamonreynolds That's what this is all about! Not sure of the cost of the mold release but usually something specific like that is more expense and hard to find.
Nice machine, but im desperately in need help with single brood management, attempting this year but uncertain what im doing, you mentioned you got a new video on that topic? Looking forward to it, thanks, Scott in taft,tn
“Oooooooooo yeah” 😂😂😂
There are guys in Florida adding Copper Naphanate to the wax to keep bugs from chewing the wood.
And it works but man it smells!
Chicken wire basket… for small parts
You should provide a wax dipping service where you can charge to dip our boxes.
How much does this tank cost?
$3200 I think bee clubs and individuals who want to sell equipment would greatly benefit from one of these!
3 screws in each corner of the boxes?
Is this an imposter? Or is it THE Kamon Reynolds? Looking forward to seeing you working bees again
PLUS....melted wax is highly "Flammable"! 🔥🔥🔥
Something I thought of after watching this, how come you don't use your own wax?
Beeswax doesn't have high enough of a melting point too bad that would be cool
@@kamonreynolds oh okay I didn't know that
Crazy expensive shipping on the wax
It doesn't cost much extra to ship the wax with the dipper. Did you get a quote from us?
Maybe you or a buddy can pick it up at the next bee expo!
Who’s this guy?????
This process brings to mind the actor, Vincent Price in the 1950's movie, "The House of Wax"! BEE CAREFUL!
Great movie :)
May I please suggest wearing a face shield.
It’s about time you uploaded a video. Was thinking about unsubscribing j/k. When is the next time you will be treating your bees with oxalic acid?
I know right! I think I may treat some nucs soon why?
Would you sell your old chicken scalder/waxer to me?
Any special projects you have been hiddin from the channel?
You should dip the boxes before you nail them together.