Marc Raibert: Boston Dynamics and the Future of Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast
Marc Raibert is founder and former long-time CEO of Boston Dynamics, and recently Executive Director of the newly-created Boston Dynamics AI Institute. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:43 - Early robots
6:47 - Legged robots
25:27 - Boston Dynamics
28:45 - BigDog
36:52 - Hydraulic actuation
38:44 - Natural movement
44:31 - Leg Lab
51:23 - AI Institute
54:41 - Athletic intelligence
1:02:35 - Building a team
1:05:37 - Videos
1:13:25 - Engineering
1:16:53 - Dancing robots
1:21:40 - Hiring
1:25:32 - Optimus robot
1:34:02 - Future of robotics
1:38:56 - Advice for young people
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THIS is the kind of interview I subscribed for.
...and not the so-called "debate"? lol
yea, not the garbage recently. glad we're backing into the roots of why this was the academic alternative to jre
@@ruutjormun2262 What's jre?
@@ruutjormun2262So true! I have evolved with Lex, but still crave more MIT-type stuff!
Marc Raibert, whom I can claim as an acquaintance, is the poster child for follow your interests (and not necessarily within immediate reason). A very inspirational interview. Thanks both.
He comes across as a very down to earth dude, compared to many other CEOs. And yet he managed to keep Boston Dynamics funded for many decades -- no mean feat, considering that they did not really have any products, until very recently.
Reminds me of Jeff Bezos a bit - love of engineering and big dreams.
“Not necessarily within immediate reason”, yes, as a Google shareholder he burned a lot of my capital in a pit.
Lex, you’re my favorite interviewer of all time and I follow many. Fantastic guest. Please carry on sir.
Ditto
everytime lex talks about deep topics you see how shallow his thoughts are! lex has the intellect of a stoned 15 year old me.. on the level.. bro you know what would be cool! sharks with lasers.. meanwhile his guest talking about healing cancer! its just cringe too watch.. for example.. his guest says multiple times spot and friends cant hear, feel and barely see.. it follows hard coded routines! but lex mumbling his philosophical bullshit about robot human interaction.. and robots feeling.. he sounds like my grandma.. he has no clue wtf hes talking about on almost all topics!
Lex is great, I love his interview style, intelligent questions and discussions, and the space for the listener to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Lex keeps me company when I’m doing lengthy, menial chores, keeps my brain chugging along. Thanks, Lex, for feeding my brain.
25 years ago i was buying my first mp3 player, the biggest card i could get for it was 16 mb, it had 16 mb built in cost £250 and i loved it, 2005 im paying £400 for a 512mb sd card that jump in 6 years was crazy, 1998 if you had a 5gb hard drive it was over kill, the game half-life was 70mb in size and what a game it was, nowadays the top titles can be easily 100 gb in size. Can you imagine the jump in 25 years from now, hopefully at 75 i will be around and witness the crazy development tech goes in, to be around from almost the beginning when having a digital clock radio was high tech or having a solar power calculator in school that fitted into your ruler, to where we are now is mind blowing, its still disappointing cars cant fly but who knows.
I think about this all the time.
Cars can fly and so can people with jet packs and wings. It’s just rare air lol can’t have every idiot doing it.
@@HWM636 that was the price of it 2004/2005 not todays price
@@ianmcdonald3053 SAMSUNG EVO Select Micro SD-Memory-Card + Adapter, 512GB $24.99 on Amazon I stand corrected, they're $25 these days.
Very well might be able to partially or completely reverse the ill-health of aging by then. If interested I suggest youtubing Dr. David Sinclair (Harvard), Dr. Aubrey de Grey (formerly of Oxford and head of the LEV Foundation) and Dr. George Church (Harvad).
Saw first video back in 2008 and I was amazed back then. This is scary next level.
Having this guy at the forefront of AI development and research would make me feel a lot more comfortable with where it might go rather than Sam Altman. No PR training, no corporate speak, wisdom gained from real life experience. Seems like a great guy who just wants to build robots.
You know what would be cool if the robots were filled with "water" (like animals) and you could get rid of the water to carry them into a remote region, and then fill them back up. What if you could get a motor powered by eating grass and you could use the robots to like in remote regions or live a nomadic lifestyle hmm...
@@aoeu256 none of that is necessary when you could just use sunlight. Unless you're asking a different question. Your wording is a bit wonky 😄
@@aoeu256I want cows to fix bicycles?
Marc: "pixel values aren't like words". Sora: "Hold my beer"
Two different models bro
Clear my schedule, new Lex just dropped.
That's the spirit. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Its not an 8hr episode, lucky for you. 😁
I missed you Lex 🥲
Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - HiddenLayer: hiddenlayer.com/ and use code LEX - Babbel: babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off - MasterClass: masterclass.com/lexpod to get 15% off - NetSuite: netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free 1:43 - Early robots 6:47 - Legged robots 25:27 - Boston Dynamics 28:45 - BigDog 36:52 - Hydraulic actuation 38:44 - Natural movement 44:31 - Leg Lab 51:23 - AI Institute 54:41 - Athletic intelligence 1:02:35 - Building a team 1:05:37 - Videos 1:13:25 - Engineering 1:16:53 - Dancing robots 1:21:40 - Hiring 1:25:32 - Optimus robot 1:34:02 - Future of robotics 1:38:56 - Advice for young people
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I love you Lex plus you look damn sexy with them beard muaahhh derya
What's amazing about Marc is how crazy humble he is. Just an amazing human. One day before I die I hope I ever get to meet this man.
Fantastic podcast. I am a Robotics and cybernetics student and I am a huge fan of Boston Dynamics and MIT.
I have extra respect for people who support, and talk highly about their peers and competitors, like Marc.
Great discussion. Nice to see Lex going back to his roots. Wish this discussion was longer, so many more aspects to talk about. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Thanks for another great instalment. Always looking forward to the next interview...🙏❤️🙏❤️
I like how lex does his image and video clip overlays, they dont interrupt the flow of the podcast, so noice
Long live LEX - the charmer with razor sharp comments/questions. Much love and respect from Singapore. m
I love that Lex is a technical guy first and foremost. Interviews like this are a rare thing that we are fortunate to have access to. Marc is such a humble and inspiring character. For all the tech talking heads who love to drone about how they're revolutionizing things, it's so refreshing to see this man who will surely go down in engineering history just eagerly talk about his work and ideas from a place of genuine curiosity and enthusiasm. Thanks Lex and Marc!
This guy is creating a weapon even better than the atomic bomb and he is smilling with his flower shirt....
Great questions Lex! What a fascinating conversation.
The future oscillates drastically between tech-topia and complete and utter devastation.
How so?
@@normalnoose5795 Brilliant people innovating every day for a better future vs idiotic sociopaths making decisions in the world's governments + capitalism
What a wannabee woke comment lmao
Wow. Deeeeep.
Like literally anything in life lmao. Life is always walking the line of dystopia and utopia, always has been always will be, until one day it ends, if it ever truly does.
The movement of Boston Dynamics robots is just amazing. I've not seen any others that compare...
I can't wait to listen to this episode! Great guest Lex
I like the idea of developing perfect fumbling
That's a bad idea. 💡
awesome. always love hearing from Marc.
I've wanted an interview like this ever since I first saw a Boston Dynamics video
Inspiring discussion.❤
I was just thinking about you today lex hope you’re doing well thank you for another wonderful podcast ❤
Damn I’m blown away by how articulate Lex has become. He’s come a long way
Lex is my favorite podcaster and most importantly interviewer. I would put your ability to interview up against any other human on this earth. I also admire how humble you are, maybe one day you could do a solo podcast and talk about your though process on things, and how you manage to stay humble. I understand who you are on the podcast may not be the way you are 100% of the time off the podcast, but I want to be more like you. From your accomplishments, work ethic, humbleness, and ability to have empathy for people from all point of views. Would really appreciate that lex
"how you stay humble" Easy: he's interviewing the smartest and most accomplished human beings on the daily. That's got to humble any sane person ^^ But I agree Lex is great!
Great episode Lex 💪 I thoroughly enjoyed it
Lex is always bringing the most interesting discussions.
Key observation: 1:29:10 ”we got good at getting DARPA funding”. I’ve seen that problem with many teams/companies; they get good at getting grants or subsidies and optimize their organization to that end, rather than optimizing products for customers.
I agree with you in principal, but this is groundbreaking tech, at its infancy, and with enormous long term potential. It is perfectly fine to invest in this potential without immediately pressing for revenue generating applications, which would kill the opportunity.
@@yarivdrori4992but they are immediately pressing for revenue at the expense of the product quality both long and short term. The grants would be the “revenue” in this situation and the priority towards these grants instead of quality and design is what’s going to harm its quality long term… honestly I’m basically saying the same thing he said.. not even sure your logic in disagreeing
Nice to see Lex beaming so much in his introduction.
Lex, you have been leaving me hanging. I keep refreshing, waiting for more pods. Miss ya bub.
Actuators? Very cool. Had no idea there was an inverted pendulum that had the 3 point energy system. Stimulating topic for anyone into building and piecing together mechanical concepts. Gotta love that motto too. Thanks Marc and Lex!
Marc, I'm a huge fan of your work, and especially liked your inspiration story about seeing the robot parts in the lab. As a kid, I had a book with pictures of the GE Walking Truck that always gave me hope for the future of robotics. Thank you for all of your work, and especially for this wonderful interview.
Outstanding interview, Lex. Extraordinary insight and value .. One of your best!
Lex, you are a legend! Just loved this conversation. 🎉❤😊
"I hurt my toe, it made it hard to run" seems kind of important 😂 love you
Love this podcast can't wait till I'm home so I can get back into. Look forward to catching up when I get out hopefully won't be long in here
We all can’t be engineers. So I especially appreciate all of the people that work overtime without sleep and eating, that work w/o recognition only to see the the few take all of the credit
I’m amazed by this interview!
Thanks Lex. You keep my mind uncomfortable, but my curiosity satisfied.
Oooooh, well said. 😊😊😊 Are you a poet? If not, consider yourself one.
This was a really enjoyable interview. Thanks!
Great episode Lex! I love how you guys make this so easy to understand for people who aren't engineers and just want to understand whats going on in the robotics world and the advancement thats been made.
Finally Boston dynamic is in the house 😊
This is the first of your interviews I've fully watched! Please have James Dyson next.
The Robot Backflip was cute..Very interesting..Keep it up..Great Interview, great content..DARPA..tell, me more...lol
The duality of man and robotics: Man must walk before it can run, robotics must run before it can walk.
The future is exciting.. NOW IS EXCITING
If you just listen, it's amazing how much the guest sounds like Michael Malice. His voice, accent, pace...
is boston dynamics working on exoskeletons and if not why not (asking as quadriplegic )
The theoretical model to explain and control biped locomotion was developed by Miomir Vukobratović in 1970s, in Yugoslavia. The motivation for his work was first a medical one, precisely the therapeutic exoskeletons. Only afterwards this theory was used by Boston Dynamics for walking robots. I guess it is already very challenging to make a good walking robot, but to make a device that would safely work with a person involves a great deal of additional concerns. There is an exponentially increasing number of the scientific publications in robotic exoskeletons, so there is certainly research being done in this area, and hopefully there will be some good results that people could use.
As someone into rc heavily this is the interview I've been waiting for! Thanks lex for another awesome guest
it was a really inspiring interview. especially when they talked about what engineering was all about.
Such an interesting conversation once again 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for putting this together and sharing! I'm still crushed they didn't include more of you in 2049, but love watching these glimpses into your life. I appreciate your honesty and fearlessness.
Missed you this time, Lex! Hope it was for good!
These robots today are unbelievable and incredibly amazing. I can't even begin to imagine where robotics will be in the future. This is the kind of interview and topics is why I love this podcast!!
I used to program industrial robots for heavy industries. I'm retired now but it was such a fun job! I think I hit it at a good time though cuz AI will easily be able to develop programs in hours that took me weeks to get working. It's kind of a shame that will people will miss the joy of programming.
I automated a bunch of developer jobs for easy side income
I think the logic I learned from programming is applicable to so much else that it should always be taught to everyone. And taught even earlier in school. I mean it's an application of all the other subjects taught, where children can directly apply their knowledge and see results on the screen, or even in toy robots. Thinking programming will die out is like human creativity will die out. But looking at children getting addicted to devices and performing incredibly worse in school makes it seem not so unrealistic either.
@@2DReanimationspot on on all counts. Love programming.
AI will not replace developers. Current over hyped LLM models like GPT-4 are not able to reason and it is not going to improve any soon.
@@adel86360 lmao, famous last words
¡Muchas gracias, Lex! I receive every new podcast as a beautiful surprise. Please, keep going 🌹
This is a very educational interview for me, thank you.
I learn a lot from listening to the prof. Robotic is one of the field I'll like to venture into. Well done lex, keep it up.
Привет из России. Было очень интересно. Роботы всегда вдохновляли меня. Когда всю работу начнут делать роботы, то люди наконец-то смогут понять, кто они такие на самом деле.
We have a SPOT robot from BD at our Michelin tire plant, in Lexington SC. It has a dedicated operator, and they use it for a variety of things. It goes to the local schools to show off for the kids occasionally as well, so it's not top secret information or anything. On a different note: being a good mechanical troubleshooter is a unique skill set, which seems to be at odds with other types of skill sets that people can have. Not everyone enjoys being covered in hot hydraulic oil, sweat filling your safety glasses, while extracting a broken fastener from a hole, with people waiting for you. We high-five and fist-bump after hard tasks, just like athletes do after a good play. I love that feeling. To any Engineers reading: Threaded fasteners are for fools. Remember that.
Very interesting, I love Marc's attitude and flair, and his shirt is perfect. :D
This is GREAT, GREAT, GREAT! Two extraordinarily talented individuals who dare to dream and pursue their dreams diligently. I couldn't of something more motivational than this: congrats and THANKS for giving us this powerful source of inspiration.
Fantastic talk!
Marc talking about "pop n' lockin'" dance moves was unexpected lol. 1:21:00
1:01:00 - "pixel values aren't words" OpeanAI: "hold my beer"
Damn yes! Some much needed short reprieve from the misery and death from the previous episodes. This is prime lex 🙂
Listening to this while I'm designing a robot chassis in Fusion 360 and sipping ☕ Peak comfy.
I used to take the the starters out and put rolled up cotton cloth inside with about 3/8 of an inch sticking out take a large dry cleaning bag and tape the hole up in the top.Then take 2 pieces of straw grass and form an X with the bottom of the bag using very little tape then fuel the aluminum starter can with lighter fluid before taping it at the point where the straw crisscrossed. Had a helper hold the bag at the top light the wick and supercharged the bag with a matchbook. In the winter they would lift out of sight and we watched them ride the air currents.We used CO 2 canisters for the match heads and depending on how tight it was packed you ended up with a rocket or a bomb .Good times in the sixties in the Willamette Valley Oregon.
He reminds me of the mad scientist from the first seasons of South Park.
Absolutely loved this!!!
Boston Dynamics is amazing...
Good to hear a positive outlook for AI for a change.
My favorite podcast & host. Rock On Lex 😎✌🏼🇺🇸🍸
This is amazing and scary as heck at the same time.
Great Episode.👍
I wanted to hear more about hands. Fine motor dexterity.
I love Big Dog, they would be so helpful on Ranches and Farms.
@38:00 here I was thinking hydraulics are very cool for heavy industry, and then this man tells me there is a whole other world for hydraulics being applied for legged robots. Amazing!!
Except electric actuators are much cheaper and simpler. BD have never designed their robots from the ground up to be mass produced as cheaply as possible. BD are the result of cost-plus military contracts and its taken them over 30 years to get this far.
@@fredbloggs5902 Did I say that hydraulic actuators are better than electric? And did I say that hydraulic actuators are cheap? And also that BD did everything overnight? Like, who are you replying to? Because I never said any of the stuff your replying to me.
Had missed ya bub. Hope You and Your's are Well my dear friend 🙌🏾❤️✨
Awesome interview! Thanks lex
The Loop Daddy looking different. 🎶
I have NO science background. I can barely count. But this interview was just amazing. Thanks so much.
Hey, Lex finally interviewed his Creator.
Love this guys videos where he plays for the live crowd! He just looks a bit different there...
2:50 why did this remind me of the Terminator film where the guy brings the terminator arm out of storage?
I love Hypeloot, it's one of the best project I have ever seen in a while
House cleaning is such a big use case for the household market. I want a robot that can clean the bathroom toilet, sink, bath etc. or a series of small specialized ones... Roomba was step 1.
this is amazing
God Bless you lex, your doing God's work with this Podcast. Love Marc, his definatly one of the greats
Great, fun interview.
Why is there no espousing the benefits to drum fed line of sight projectile applications?
I seriously thought this was going to be Marc Rebillet for a second afetr he mentioned it on H3 the other day.
Make it a goal in life to find a job you like as much as Marc loves building!
It seems he possesses a deep love and desire to understand systems. Curiosity once again reigns supreme in personal development.
Great conversation with Marc Raibert. We can certainly learn from AI, and vice versa. Why not? Thank you so much Lex. Glad to see you all recovered.