TROLLS ARE REAL! The ancient roots of the Troll myth
In this video, I explain how most of us are related to trolls, or at least how we are genetically connected to the origin myth of trolls. Though mind you: This should be considered a hypothesis based on recent DNA evidence and the early history of Northern Scandinavia.
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I didn't mention it in the video, but the two genes for light pigmentation (fair skin), which the late Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers (SHG) had - and the Indo-Europeans (IE) did not - made it an advantage to survive and thrive this far north, because of Vitamin D deficiency. And this also fits in with the SHG genetic bottleneck that is possible to trace in the early Bronze Age. The SHG must have migrated northwards into the mountains and darkness in dire times and south again in better times, and it wasn't until the IE populations (and the farmers) mixed with the SHG that they too were able to survive and get along well in Scandinavia, becoming our common, distant ancestors.
Another point worth mentioning are the two time periods with huge climate crisis and plague: The Late Bronze Age Collapse 3.000 years ago and the devastating 6th century 1.500 years ago, when both memories and traditions were stirred up, so many peoples and cultures died, language changed (Grimm's and Verner's laws and the later Elder to Younger Futhark), followed by new trading routes, migrations and new powers rising. With this in mind, it's a miracle our ancestors could remember anything at all from these ancient giants.
So could our earliest written sources and mythical stories about love and war - and a lot of cunningness and trickery - between the Jotuns and (non-deified) Norse Gods have any historical truth, going back 2.500-4.500 years and blended in with Indo-European myths?
Some famous Jotuns:
Skaði en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska%C3%B0i
Fornjót en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornj%C...
Ægir en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86gir
Gerðr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ger%C3%B0r
Bestla en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestla
Angrboða en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angrbo%...
Útgarða-Loki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9At...
Þrymr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Erymr
Surtr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surtr
Starkad en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkad
Hyrrokkin en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyrrokkin
And Loke en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki
Sources and further reading:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jötunn
List of jötnar in Norse mythology en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...
Gylfi: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gylfi
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Æsir-Va...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germani...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...
Etymology: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Recons...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jätte-
Trollhunter movie: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollhu...
Völuspá: www.voluspa.org/voluspaintro.htm
Prose Edda: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prose_Edda
The Saga of Hervör and Heithrek: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hervara...
translation: www.germanicmythology.com/FORN...
DNA papers, news stories and other publications:
Genomic data suggest two main migrations into Scandinavia after the last ice age: www.eurekalert.org/news-relea...
Long-Distance Travel and Trading in the Bronze Age: The East Mediterranean-Scandinavia Case: www.researchgate.net/publicat...
The Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe: www.nature.com/articles/natur...
The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years: www.science.org/doi/10.1126/s...
Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe: www.nature.com/articles/natur...
Ancient human genome-wide data from a 3000-year interval in the Caucasus corresponds with eco-geographic regions: www.nature.com/articles/s4146...
Arctic hunter-gatherers were advanced ironworkers more than 2,000 years ago: www.sciencenews.org/article/a...
Moving metals IV: Swords, metal sources and trade networks in Bronze Age Europe www.sciencedirect.com/science...
Ancient Mediterraneans in Scandinavia; Bronze Age Trade: novoscriptorium.com/2019/02/2...
Of course Trolls are real . . . I’ve been one on KZhead since 2013 . . .😉
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Ahhha
Troll isn't even in your name. 😶
@@thegametroll6264 I’m still a Troll…I’m even one on 3 Platforms now…😉
I'm very proud and honoured to be part of this wonderful clan.
I hope this give the men watching some inspiration. Lift weights, eat animal protein, save your money, learn survival skills and find a based woman to continue the lineage. Greetings from a degenerate NYC
I’m English and I have came here for reparations.
did you see the new vikings show?? there's a black jarl!! LMFAO!!! i just changed channels.
And a woman, as well. Truly ridiculous.
Thanks alot ! I have always believed, somewhat, in "mythological" creatures. There is always a basis of fact in every legend. I intend to study further in your "theory" as I find it fascinating ! Thank you again for something to ponder !
Can help you with an link or two where you can find what you seek. Do you have telegram?
What dna system do you use? Also in Colorado, US they made a big troll statue in the woods called “Trollstigen” made by a danish artist, super cool!
I like this format Sturla! You have a great narration voice! Keep it up 👍
Note that it is either "aossir" or "aeyssir", and Volu-spao (short ao). The viking age pronounciations. Spå/spao = to predict or foresee (clairvoyance in druidic mythology).
Thanks for making these videos, they are great ! We also descend from giants like in the eddas. Tartaria (ancient civilisation) had giant doors and cities with beautiful architecture, also seen in many countries and some big human bones have been found, not to mention that some live these days, more than 3m tall ! Keep up with the good work !
Thanks for another interesting video!
The Eastern Hunter Gatherer hypothesis is interesting. I think U2 MtDNA is a Troll/Giant line.
Can't wait to see your video
The troll in Troy has a torque on his neck. Something I'd never noticed before.
It all makes sense taking the broad picture and putting it together over time, It feels right!! I’m always hoping we can prove enough of what Sturla is telling us archeologically to convince everyone and have peace✌🏼
Troll hunter looks good!
It is SO GOOD, you won't be disappointed!
Yeah I really like that movie Troll Hunter. Its great 👍
Yes we are beating them out of the Peoples convoy chats.
So wonderful to hear your voice again!
Det var en sterk teori. Som i at den faktisk henger sammen med moderne genetikk. Håper du fortsetter å lage videoer som dette! Det er interessant.
It's an exciting idea to see trolls as part of a foundational myth, inspired by a real people. Is there evidence from the more southern Germanic peoples (i.e. lower than Denmark) that coincides with the Scandinavian concept of trolls, e.g. in fairytales? I do recall giants in the stories of the Grimm brothers, but not a link with darkness, or them being part of a shared family tree. Then again, I believe that a lot of what we think to know about the broader Germanic culture and its pantheon, was inferred from Scandinavian sources, so trolls may have been a part of the collective Germanic mythology before it got lost or took on another form.
Not sure.. interesting
6:03 I knew this about Jotunheimen and Aasmund Olavsson Vinje ;)
Interesting insights ! I previously read trolls are basically the spirit of nature or ghosts in general before it was commercialised and turned into a fairytale figure, so your perspective is an interesting perspective on this topic. It feels like trolls are an amalgam of old concepts really, though I sense through the studies of prechristian mythology that everything was seen as an holistic concept and not "only this and only that" but more like patterns that repeat above and below, in us and outside of us, as individuals and gods and mere biology as well. Do you have thoughts on the "Nine Daughters of Ægir and Rán" / Forejotre ?
Conversed with one of these on. Spirit Box amazingly. Do I hear Scottish hidden amongst your narrated accent sir? V cool 🧡
Great video! Very interesting
Thank you so much for this interesting piece on Trolls and our Scandinavian heritage. I really loved this unique take on our connection to them as well as your narration. Blessings! 🕊️🌿🙏
You had me riveted to this video ! Very interesting theory, l approve. I have always felt a strong connection to my Viking blood and trolls.
An interesting take on the theory. I think that by trolls, we mean the Neanderthals, who were the strong race of people living in Northern Europe before anyone else.
Yea tbh that makes sense too
That makes sense.
yes or people of a phenotype with more neanderthal expression in their bones, those who had not yet mixed with neolithic farmers... but it is true that nordic dna are the tallest people, friesians, lithuanians, croatians/montenegrins.
No, neanderthals were shorter than the average human, also you should know that neanderthals are a totally different species of humans.
@@mayamaeru You forgot Holland.
I watched TrollHunter movie many years ago. It's very fun
"It's a theory." 😅🖤👍 I love this. Thank you for this video. You are an excellent story teller. 👏
very good video, thanks!
Enslaved have a song Jotunblod (on the Frost album) that might tick that box. '... If one seeks all Midgard's knowledge If the wise woman swings her staff One can not avoid one's origin The chaos of the primitive force: Jotunblood ...'
I wonder if trolls have come to dominate global politics. Is that the real eye of the pyramid? The eye of polyphemus??
Kl*us Schw*b crawled out of a Swiss cave yes.
Yes they have, just like starting and winning both world wars.
Awesome insight!
The romans did mention that celts and germans were "a head" higher than them - while arabs were "a head smaller" on average. Also there are mentions of a broader frame when compares - so they were not 6feet weighing 150pounds 🙂
Source? Please, don’t misinterpret me. Not that I doubt what you are saying I just want to study it in further detail. So, if you have some kind of link to a documentary or something else, I’d be grateful 😇
This is the content I'm here for👍
Troll Hunter is great! Ash Lad is great! And there is actually a children's cartoon on Netflix (ehhh) called Hilda. It is about a young girl named Hilda who moved to Trolberg from the countryside. Trolberg is a city behind a big wall that was constructed to keep Trolls out. It has some other so called folklore of the region like elves and creatures made of wood and a giant Raven. It has of course a bunch of feminist crap and eco crap (the corporate/msm brand of eco messaging). But it's still very cute and introduced my son to story of Trolls. Which got him to watch Ash Lad.
@misshissy13 In Netflix and the Simpsons show us the Elites a big part of the truth, caused they are Narcistic Chickenfucker.
I like your theory! 😁
What is the source for the really cool drawing ( @3:46 ) of what i assume is Odin tanlking to Ægir? or some other Jotun?
I have always liked that picture much myself, but I think it's only some fan art of sorts. It's Odin, alright. I think you will find it by googling Odin Jotunheimen giants (or something similar) and looking through the photos that come up.
@@VikingStories Mange takk.
@@VikingStories I would think it’s Thor, judging by the hammer.
@@Vingul you might be right. Also judging by the ancient tales;) the two ravens are there though
Skål 🍻 Takk. Dette liker jeg 😊💪
Another great video.
Ƿes þu hal. My hypothesis is that the creation story is, in essence, an oral retelling of eye witness accounts, by our ancestors, of the withdrawal of the ice shields/glaciers of the most recent glaciation event, as well as volcanism and/or cosmic impact, hence the fire and ice theme. This would nicely explain the World being born of Ymir's (ice giant/retreating glacier) decaying form. Auðumbla can be interpreted a metaphor for the domestication of cattle and would have had an enormous impact on paleolithic societies emerging from the Ice Age and thus be the stuff of legend. Giants could also refer to Homo Neanderthalensis (known to have shared habitats and interbred with "Homo Sapiens") whom were physically more robust and stronger than anatomically modern humans. As far as I am aware, the term "giant", as used in European mythological contexts, does not have to specifically refer to an individual's physical height, but can also refer physical strength, prowess and endurance. So the stories of Giants, Trolls and other mythical beings may well have been remembered accounts of interspecies contact and interaction. Proud of my Germanic heritage and would like to see an end to conflict among our extended tribes, but alas...
Thank you for sharing.
Erstaunlich wie immer Bruder!
Really interesting take Sturla.
Thanks, Dirk 🍻
That was interesting:)
Trolls are indeed real.
Maybe because they where so far north and they had access to such a rich diet in the food they could gather, maybe they got bigger for the short periods of light that did come, if you need to absorb more vitamin D then if you have a bigger surface area of skin to absorb the vitamin D this might well be a trigger for giantism. I think it also has something to do with the cold, as the Polynesians they went and settled on Hawaii but their first colony was nearly wiped out by a huge tsunami so they supposedly left Hawaii and went to Alaska and lived in Alaska for around 1200 years and they think its this period in Alaska that gave rise to their super sized people. After 1200 years they went back to Hawaii and repopulated it, but the Pacific Islanders dont half produce some really big people, so it could be a combination as Alaska is very much the same as Scandinavia in terms of climate and food resources, coming from Hawaii i bet it was a shock to their system the drop in vitamin D and the total change in diet to maybe a full rich protein diet compared with the foods they ate that grew on the Islands and then the months of freezing weather it seems it doesnt take long to trigger growth in people...
Lol I actually read an academic paper called "The Origins of the Vanir" which comes to the same conclusion as you. It's actually pretty interesting.
I wounder how the indo-european killed off almost all people were they went. But not in scandinavian
Is jotne a diminutive of jotun possibly? a 'little giant'
it's kinda interessting tho. there is some natural occuring phenomenon that makes carnivors grow giant the further north they live, especially island populations, because of the limited plant ressources for herbivors who then become smaller like moose, the carnivors grow way bigger. ( f.e. kodiak bear or kenai wolf) this might be taken into effect too.
Btw, try raw beluga, we in the North- but in N America eat it. Very good!
I love Beluga. Had it raw high up in the Caucasus mountains once at a luncheon close to the Dagestani border. Have liked ever since:)
How sad. Belugas are absolutely precious.
Interesting video, I have wondered if SHGs could have left some sort of legacy in Germanic languages. Not to nitpick, but is the graph at 7:50 an older one? It shows the Spanish sample with ZERO WHG ancestry.... from other things I've seen I can't imagine that is correct....
Thanks for a good comment. You're not nitpicking at all and I am glad you noticed. It's from 2015 yes and not correct for Spain and not for Norway either on EHG. I was in doubt whether or not to use it, but went for it since Norway is at the top, to prove a point on Yamnaya. All best
@@sturlaellingvag9661 Thanks for your response! Our more precise understanding of population genetics has gotten a lot better in the last several years.
I met an Icelander one time. As sane a man as I've ever met. Swears he saw a Troll in his headlights one night. As I was asking him to believe that my experiences with ghosts/demons were real it was only fair that I believed his experiences. 'There are more things in heaven and earth......'
Absolutely love your acsent reminds me so much of my past husband RIP UNFORTUNATELY HE WAS IRISH DAVE O'CONNOR NOT THE FAMOUS COUNTRY SINGER ALTHOUGH HE IS ON KZhead ABD HE WAS COUNTRY SINGER LICAL IN ALABAMA. MAN IM DIGGING YOUR VOICE
Jeg fant en interessant beretning fra kartet "Fra Mauro Map", som er fra rundt år 1450. Om Norge står det "Norvegia [Norway] is a very vast province surrounded by the sea and joined to Svetia [Sweden]. Here they produce no wine or oil, and the people are strong, robust and of great stature. Similarly, in Svetia the men are very fierce; and according to some, Julius Caesar was not eager to face them in battle. Similarly, these peoples were a great affliction to Europe; and at the time of Alexander, the Greeks did not have the courage to subjugate them. But now they are much diminished and do not have the reputation they formerly had. Here is said to be the body of St. Bridgit, who some say was from Svetia. And it is also said there are many new kinds of animals, especially huge white bears and other savage animals."
Men det hevdes også at de britiske øyer var bosatt av kjemper før, så man må ta alt med en klype salt.
Fra Mauro bodde jo i Venezia hvor Pietro Querini var fra, så det er svært sannsynlig at han fikk informasjon fra ham eller mannskapet om Sverige og Norge fra reisen dit i 1432 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fra_Mauro Røst: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Querini De to beretningene derfra er vel verdt å få med seg:)
Lord of the Rings is more of a documentary of the various size "humans".
Nice theory. Go read Genesis 6. Same story different origin.
Ancient sacred texts from literally all around the planet tell the same story.
🙄 😳 🙄 😳 Oh... Uff Da! Thinking of you and hoping you are well.
How about the eaters of the dead? I think its real!
thank god I am a trolll tooo
I am portugues and I don't no why but I have DNA of Finland Scotland very strange
Strange how? I live in the USA but my ancestry is northern and northwestern Europe. People migrate. 🙂
I think more jätte-jotun-gigant are a langue development and continuation of klassical titan. In this way there is a similarity between the titans in classic mythologi an jotuns in nordic. The brakteats etc mention laug then would mean loki of jotun ancestry. This would explain why saturday became laugarday, not wash day, but lokis day. The different jotuns are then a rememberance of the titans i mythologi two thousand years earlier. Who would be prometeus? (Edited)
Interesting thoughts. I have been wondering about the same. I have yet to find a link between titan and jotun. Let's call Saturday for Loke's day from now on:) Good idea!
Prometeus was regarded as good of fire. Loki låga flame? But then it looses connection to saturnus.
I’ve wondered for sometime whether there is a connection between hugin/munin/Odin and knowledge/runes c.f. Prometheus/Epimetheus and the gift of fire. The ravens and Titans names have related meanings and there is even a raptor (eagle) in the legend of Prometheus’ punishment. I wonder if these are all echoes of an earlier indo-europaean mythology ?
Loke an prometheus where both chained by he goods. Lin and lauk (onion) on braktheats could as well be loki instead of onion... Ie. same as saturn. Prometheus and loke where in some stories involved in creation of man i think.
Yeah, we know.Just don't feed them,lol.
Do these trolls have anything to do with writing the talmud?
There are stories about giants in The Old Testamente
The Etruscans was also germanic/celtic tribes.
Komsa culture?
I always wonder, knowing how in the viking age, many still considered Finns to be some kind of fey creature, whether the races of magicians (jötnar) and old gods (Vanir) may have a lot to do with the Nordic Bronze Age people. In the myths, the intermarriage and peace between the Aesir and Vanir is given a lot of importance, along with the pacification of the jötnar. It seems like similar themes are likely have been a part of their history, with the arrival of iron age people, whose population and culture merged with the existing ones (through unknown mechanisms), rather than destroying them. Also strikes me as a funny coincidence, at least, that the _Götar,_ _Goter,_ _Gutar_ and _Jutar_ seem to belong to a pattern that almost includes Jötnar._ On the other hand, may be more than a coincidence that the Scythians and their neighbouring Getae (who were skilled metalworkers) seem to have disappeared from Ukraine and the Carpathians at about the time that the iron age reached Scandinavia and that the Byzantines referred to vikings as "Scythians", while some of the vikings knew themselves by those various G-t- names. All of the gods' magical stuff was made by jötnar and alfar - so maybe the main group of iron age invaders were not confident metalworkers and they relied either on outsiders to make prized artifacts.
Interesting thoughts. Thanks
I once saw a troll.
Here in America we have dug up skeletons as tall as 9ft tall. W/ red hair, 6 fingers, 6 toes & double rows of teeth. Im half Native American myself & my ancestors bones are 7.5 ft tall w/ 24 digits & double rows of teeth. I had to have an extra row of teeth removed as a child as well. We all age rather slowly in my family as well. Im 40 & people think i look 20.
I troll, therfore I am.
brotherhood of 'man'...... looks different from the top of the world
Finnes Hervarar Saga på Norsk?
Svensk er det nærmeste jeg har funnet: cornelius.tacitus.nu/sagor/hervarar/index.htm
This is what my name means Tossebru
We have a whole lot of trolls living in Germany. ;-)
I'm a Troll berserker lol
Trolls are real.
Everything is connected. Look at what is being found in the amazon jungle, or in egypt. The history of the world is much more facinating, than what the official narrative wants you to believe. But why....?
lol
Trojans definitely weren't Germanic if that is what you are suggesting.
It’s just like when you mix a tiger with a lion and get a cat with gigantism. Every culture has a story about a big hairy humanoid beast. They all stole women and children, and I’m assuming had these warrior babies at first until it got mixed out the blood. I think their sudden appearance is the true reason they called it the dark ages. I’m what most call black but I’m actually Choctaw American, and our people have a story too and call the beast the Shampe that followed us from the east. I think Mongolians definitely have a similar origin to you guys as well putting the Asian in Caucasian. Europe simply calls him the wild man/woodwose, science calls them Neanderthals,and now I learned you guys call em trolls. The caveman history lessons all make sense, and people going clubbing is just disturbing now 🫣
Germanic refers to all of us. It was just what the latins called us all. Norse is a term that came in the early medieval period to designate Scandinavians at the time. I see no issue with us all being called Germanic. Unless you want to say English, Dutch, and German are West Scandinavian languages instead of West Germanic languages I would stop trying to challenge the terminology. Makes more sense to call norse people Northern Germanic since norse just means north and was a word used by western Germanic people to describe northern Germanic people.
So where are all the skeletons and artifacts for these giant trolls? Buddy, just because something is written on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's scientific fact lol. The first thing they taught us in college is that using Wikipedia as a source would not be acceptable and that in many cases its full of errors
Don't you buddy me, CornPopwasabadDude. Either you're trolling, which is quite alright in connection to this video, or you haven't checked out the extensive list of sources in the infotext below the video.
Just Germanic the Germanic migrations happens doesn't make all modern European Germanic. You are conflating things.
Lemme tell you a story, I'm a Muslim, and I read Quran, there is a story in Quran about a tribe/clan of giants named after their king and leader Aad, these people were very tall and strong and they were very good at building massive structures, they were arrogant and bad, God sent a Prophet to them to show them the right way, they refused and they sought to challenge God and build a heaven for themselves, it took them a very long time to build a massive city with titanic proportions, they called it the city of Iram also known as Iram of the pillars, and before they managed to settle there God whipped them out of existence, l believe that there were giants perhaps a subspecies of humans that lived on this earth.