Where Are They, All Those Aliens? | Episode 305 | Closer To Truth
Most scientists assume that the universe must be populated with innumerable alien intelligences and civilizations - after all, we humans can't be so special. OK, so where are they, these "innumerable alien intelligences and civilizations"? How come there's zero evidence? Featuring interviews with Jill Tarter, Douglas Vakoch, Frank Drake, Raymond Kurzweil, Francisco Ayala, Steven Dick, and David Brin.
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I call the guys out there MEOW. The elusive 'male equivalent of other woman'. 1 in 5 women in lifelong relationships are being abused. I've been writing about abiogenesis a long long time now, & for all the white goods & tech equipment men won our hands with, looking like they were doing the math for any two of us (for all the not looking like we wanted sex you had to ask us if we were into that sort of thing), I thought I'd get to exchanging you/us. Men are in our spatial surrounds time-wise. ..See them now? This is a D race & you know it. All I write is free, and quite strange. I see outlines of same things been omitted or unwritten. I don't tell you what things please & impress. Make least barbaric decisions which stand to have upsides & solve problems unintentionally & before their time. It keeps us incognito. I write fragments of sense & asolestend to think things funny when theyre prone to hurt people. They taken run with this work faster than anyone who typically checks their sources, &, not knowing what's hurting them they act out at other people. I call them 'bulldozers in the briarpatch'. CATs. I found them as what I call 'smashed up God complex kittens' (prov 25:28). They hadn't reared themselves that way, agreeing with themselves so much that they couldn't take no for an answer. And they like my work. You should know that my being female, I of nice guys with least barbaric things to have to tell you will be telling you the least liked least barbaric. Please enjoy the strange journey of Mind Ark. It has a sort of throat singing Julie Andrews Adventures of Baron Munchausen feel. If you like that sort of thing lol. *shrugs*
All this talk of no evidence. Our search for life in the universe is like wading into the ocean with a shot glass, scooping some water, and inspecting it with your eye and concluding the ocean must be lifeless. Our search has not even begun.
This is a terrific analogy.
@@mikenyy1166 There is a similiar analogy in the islamic hadith comparing this life and the afterlife saying this life is like dipping your finger in the ocean and seeing the water left on the finger
@@Yameen200 I like that one too! This is why this channel is great, learning little things like this from good people.
@@mikenyy1166 Though im very skeptical of the afterlife i find many of these traditions in NDEs and abrahamic faiths that romantizie the afterlife as something so incomparably better to this life as intriguing for sure.
As far as I’m concerned it’s a waste of time and resources
Mr. Kuhn has such an ASMR voice. Friendly, calm, inquisitive. Really enjoy listening to him and the fascinating people he talks to.
Can I just say you do a fantastic job covering some really difficult to talk about subjects, thanks it’s brilliant!!
This show is the best on KZhead. Neurologist curious about human consciousness leading him to search for other life and answers to our own existence. Brilliant ! Then he interviews the smartest people on earth about our future. Great program . Thank you.
There’s no damn evidence because we don’t have technology to look. All we have is dishes to listen for radio signals . That doesn’t tell you squat.
Yes, why can't people understand that.
If the aliens communicate by telepathy, what kind of radio signals are we expecting to receive?
Exactly, I am puzzled by the SETI guys, they seem so close minded sometimes. I mean, it is not so hard to understand, they keep looking for technology signals that may as well just be used during the infancy of a technological civilization, a blink of an eye on the timescale of the universe. It is like searching for messenger pigeons to conclude there is other towns out there, sure, they were a means of communication, but we gave up on them as more efficient ways of communication were developed. We are not searching for the right signals with the right tools, for me that's a better answer. They need to start thinking outside their collective boxes.
@@LuisFiguer If SETI exists then the public thinks that we have not found the aliens yet. That is the presumption. Our black ops groups continue to see fund that SETI gets funding to further the idea that we have not found aliens yet.
@@scottbreseke716 Makes sense, never thought out about that one, I was just under the impression that they are searching but not very hard. :)
The first step in learning is to admit that you don't know. The 2nd step is to declare that I want to know.
Well said, but I would swap those two and have the desire to know as primary.
@@pspicer777 Yes, and I would add a third: ''This is what I know about...''.
Big bangs, black holes, milky ways? What's really going on here?
@Warren Reid And the 3rd step is the realisation that we'll never know.
The first step is to look at the Drake equation to see if we have missed other factors in the equation.
About 4 years ago I was watching something on cable about this subject. A woman scientist made a very revealing observation. She said, if anyone walked up to the edge of a lake, river or ocean and took a glass full of water and looked to see there were no fish in the water, should they conclude there are no fish in the lake, river or ocean? This is the stage that we are at as exploration and understanding of the universe goes. And actually, I think we might not even be at that stage of looking at a glass of water to use an analogy. Another thing, many humans seem to think that there could be no intelligent life like us out there. Who knows we in comparison to other living entities could be really, really primitive and unadvanced. We humans have to stop our understanding of this subject matter from our very, very narrow limited perspective. There could be living entities out there that were at the stage we are now during our Stone Age. And they managed not to destroy themselves and they are out there now.
This is quite interesting. A man who was interviewed by Dr Steven Greer said the US had an alien in their custody back in the 40s or 50s who informed them they're about 50k years ahead. Several former members of the US military who had encounters with ET said that they were more interested in disarming their nuclear weapons. May be for as long as there's so much divisions, hate and time invested in developing weapons to destroy ourselves, they'll keep away 🤷♂️
@@desert_rose7171 Hmm, I never heard that...(50K years). That would be in the Stone Age but nearing it's end. Yeah...maybe...can you blame them for wanting to keep their distance?... Thx for that info...
Maybee there all ready hear since history began?
@@jamesbracken6885 there or they're?
@@jamesbracken6885 its entirely possible, the theory is known as "panspermia" (wherein the first life on Earth arrived via a comet or asteroid from deep space.)
Can't get enough of this stuff. Great channel!
you've had too much already.. it's all a psy-op
If a super advanced civilization hundreds of millions of years older than us wanted to keep Earth isolated as a zoo, blocking out all signs of their existence in the universe would be easy. Like draping a curtain over a birdcage..
I always wonder why we are the only planet with living life with dead planets surrounding us. Seems to me we are being kept away from other planet with life for a reason. Just a thought to ponder on!
That very well may be true, but I farted and it smelled like week-old used socks with toe jam and rotten eggs embedded in the fibers.
Its easy to answer. The aliens have equal difficulty finding signs of other life in this enormous universe, its too big and life should be biological in nature, only life we know can be possible. Even speed of light is way too slow to communicate in this vast universe (its bigger than we ever can imagine). Its the occam razor answer. The most simple answer is usually also the correct one.
They would be like Q in star trek
@@BG-uy9lj that is not true. IT is your limited intelligence about the concept of life that makes you thing other planets are dead. What your eyes can see and what your mind can read is limited to what you are allowed to see and read. Even in the earth there could be parallel lives going on that we can't see.
Much of this search for aliens reminds me of a family leaving New York City for the Grand Canyon. They're not even out of the driveway when the kids start demanding: "Are we there yet?"
Great comment. I always thought its like scooping a cup full of water from the ocean,and saying”See…no fish!”.
No but you can see the light from billions of light years away. Stop pretending that we're blind. The most logical way to power an interstellar civilization is with solar power and Dyson Swarms. We would be able to detect such megastructures because they would dim the stars they surround. Once we are able to build those it would be the first thing we did after arriving around another star, so this dimming would spread. Any galaxy with one or more ancient and advanced species in it should be entirely dimmed. Millions of stars and millions of galaxies have been examined for this and other projected megastructures and we have found nothing. That is not no evidence. That is evidence that strongly suggests that there are no species more advanced than us anywhere. If there were, we would see their Dyson Swarms. We should see entire galaxies with a severely reduced light output. If we don't destroy ourselves we are about to embark on a million years of looking with a magnifying glass for alien jellyfish is my take. Someone has to be first, and based on available evidence, we are first. Might as well get comfortable with it.
Drake spells it out clearly - when you stack up all the improbability’s you realise that the universe is teaming with life, including civilisational and technological but is just too far separated in time and space, to expect a meet-up
No, he doesn't. Frank Drake has spent his entire professional career attempting to show the _exact_ opposite!
@@simesaid the exact opposite of what? So you think he doesn’t think there’s plenty of life out there? His explanation for no evidence, is obviously due to the separation of time and space - which is what I said
I find it absurd to assume that intelligent alien life would act like we do.
Should be not much unlike us on the fundamental level. That is a reasonable assumption. You probably need diversity, competition and evolution to get to something like us. If you don't, and we're wrong, then something really strange is going on and we know nothing about life in the universe. Evidence tells us, though, that there are a lot of stars and worlds like ours out there. So, that seems unlikely.
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Jill Tartar nailed it in the first three minutes. It’s only a paradox because we assume they are not already here.
And, if they ARE here already, what does that tell us about who they are, and why they are here?
No, we "presume" they are not here, b/c there are no good reasons to believe they are. All anyone offers as evidence or epistemic justification is baseless speculation.
Spot on
And suppose if the aliens are us all along, suppose we were the ones that came here. Never know.
Jill Tartar is no dummy. I'll bet anything you like she would never say aliens are here. Please don't lie about her, admit she didn't say that.
The question of "Are we alone?" is both one of the most profound questions we can ask and also one of the most futile. I kinda picture myself stranded on a desert island, like Tom Hanks on Castaway. For all intents and purposes, I am alone there. That's not to say that life isn't teeming elsewhere, say in New York City. But as far as that life having any bearing on me, it's extremely inconsequential. So to try and definitively answer the question, I don't believe it's as simple as "yes or no." It may very well me "yes AND no." Here on this planet, as castaways, as it were, maybe we would try to cobble together what we can and leave the island, but in our reality, there will be no wayfaring shipping barge coming to our rescue. So we're pinned to the world. For the foreseeable future. We hang out on our island, concerned with our immediate surroundings. Concerned with how we will survive, eat, find shelter, entertain ourselves in the interim, etc. We are concerned with that...and the well-springs of life elsewhere have no bearing on us, they have their own agendas. What would it take for a Wall Street investment banker to somehow end up on our island? Sure it's possible why would that happen? How? I am rambling but to wrap this up, I believe there is inevitable life, both intelligent and curious...and other forms, bacterial and microscopic...and even life that would be imperceptible to us,. possibly even life in dimensions inaccessible to our 5 senses...and while on a technical level we aren't alone, it's pretty lonesome on our remote island in the cosmic ocean, so...no comfort will be found in their company. Not for now. Maybe not for a staggering amount of time. So we should take care of our island and treat it like it's our only home, because it is.
That’s a great analogy being stranded on an island. Where is everyone? Why is no one here?
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How can we say we're alone when the furthest galaxies are billions of light years away. There is no way to find a definitive answer unless we find life in our own solar system. The distances are to vast or infinite to assume we are alone just because we can't see proof of them.
too vast, but I agree.
Easy, as it stands WE ARE ALONE. that's because we have no way of finding anything, its too far away. So we will always be alone.
@@romeobond8473 saying god exists is on one end of a spectrum, saying he doesn't is on the other. If the average people could think beyond black and white, they would just not bother with answering a question they just can't, or would simply leave it on a consensus that god MAY exist. Having said that, distances between other stars are indeed very very vast and we simply can't say for sure if we are alone or not. And for that reason, it practically doesn't matter (which is kinda sad).
This knife you used cuts both ways. We could say ‘how can we say there are others.’
Imagine if they are already millions of years ahead in terms civilization... i think they could not even be bothered with our own existence...
Advanced civilizations may very well have abandoned knowing the Universe and instead chose to become the Universe......in some fashion such as seeding planets with their DNA.
Yes we'd be less than ants to them.
This is it yeah. The goal of life is to survive. Our DNA figured out a way to reproduce and continue. If your civilization is a million years more advanced than ours and your goal is survival, you've probably done something we can't comprehend. Maybe you figured out the multiverse and moved on, maybe you hunkered down around black holes that will last until heat death and put on your vr headset. Whatever it is when they look at us and ask "does that help me survive?".... yeah nah
I think all civilizations are evolving at roughly the same rate give or take a few hundred thousand years. The universe as a whole is biological. Think of the universe like a pond... algae and plankton would appear about the same time uniformly throughout the entire pond. If civilizations are spaced out as common as 10,000 light years between each other, our nearest neighbor would currently see earth as it was 10,000 years ago. They wouldn’t even know we exist. Also... We often think of alien life being more advanced but stop to think for a sec... We could very well be the more advanced civilization among our neighbors by a few thousand years simply because we evolved first. If that’s the case our nearest neighbor hasn’t even begun to emit radio signals let along be able to detect ours. Give us more credit. We deserve it.
@@brandonleesanders The ponds formed billions of years apart though.
After reading the first two books of the Three Body Problem from Cixin Liu, I'm starting to wonder if a smart civilization isn't better off staying quiet and not draw attention of a more powerful civilization at the risk of being taken over like, you know, Cortez and Aztecs and Incas, Europeans and Indians. Maybe that's why the universe is so quiet.
So you think we should stay quiet? What if we’ve already been found? Then what?
This is the most noticeable oversight in this video for sure. The concepts in that series are truly mind blowing.
@@addamriley5452I would argue that if we have already been found it's one of two scenarios. One being the "zoo hypothesis", where we are left alone to be observed by their scientists. Or two, the much less likely scenario, that the Borg cube is on its way to assimilate us but won't get here for hundreds of thousands of years 😂
@@digitalfootballer9032 or 3. The technology to travel the stars and the truth of what life is, would only act as a detriment to us in our current state, so it is left hidden until a day where integration is possible without destruction being the inevitable outcome.
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Problem is, all these arguments are based on human intellect and reasoning and our current understanding of physics. I think it's a little presumptuous to think that extra terrestrial life will act or think like us.
It doesn't matter what or how alien life thinks or behaves, physical law is universal. We will never encounter it which is why it's of no importance.
@@geoden Why won't we encounter it? From a distance, at least.
@@grahamsouthern5583 Lay people generally don't realise how vast space is, if aliens exist they are too far away. We would have to travel for many lifetimes to reach them, possibly forever if space is infinite! That's why I'm sure we'll never encounter alien life.
@@geoden That is certainly true. After travelling faster than any other man-made objects for nearly 40 years, the Voyager spacecraft are just now nudging their way out of our solar system. However, messages travelling at the speed of light are detectable at long distances. Receiving such a message would be an 'encounter'. You might think that such a message would be of 'no importance', but that would depend on what its content was. You are being very insular, if I might say so.
@@geoden You are here perfectly exhibiting an example of a logical fallacy. I'll make it as simple as possible for you- how do you like this one: "It doesn't matter what or how life on Earth thinks or behaves...". Sounds REALLY stupid, doesn't it? But wait, there's more: * Physical law is universal- perhaps, and we are still in our infancy in understanding physical laws. * "We will never encounter it which is why it's of no importance."- well thank you, Herr Nostradamus! As you are so good at foretelling the future, what will the US inflation rate be in three months? And remember, exact figures, please.
We've searched the equivalent of a glass of water compared to all earth's oceans. Do the math... In my view, the old doctrine is still blinding us
There hasn't been substantial proof of intelligent life outside our planet, so we have to use assumptions based on data that we have. Based on human technological trends the universe should be teeming with intelligent life. The two conclusions outlined in this video are the most logical answers. We are in a simulation or in an alien zoo.
Far less comparatively than one glass for all the oceans. Not even a thimble.
Ridiculous comparison. Your oversimplified analogy assumes that we can only detect alien life visually. They repeatedly mention radio waves.
The problem is the way we define intelligence, and what we expect it to be like. Human beings are not intelligent, we are egoist.
8:50 interstellar space flight. The Fermi paradox does not rest on the assumption of space travel. It is the total lack of any kind of "intelligent" looking signal that is the core of this paradox. We're not looking for alien space travel but for any kind of hint - even the weirdest one - that there might exist intelligent life or life at all anywhere else in our solar system, our galaxy or the universe. It is not normally considered good science to state that something exists or must exist but we just haven't found it yet. All you can rightfully say is that with our current observational methods and at this time there is not even a shred of evidence that would point to the existence of life anywhere else but earth let alone intelligent life. That does not mean we should stop looking but we should stop exclaiming that IT MUST be there.
David Brin is brilliant! Talk to him for hours please!
How many hours?
@@b.g.5869 Ha! I think 4 parts with 3 hours each would be good.
Great episode! Very well done. Thank you.
Ray was tremendous here. I find Kuhn's face really lights up when he aligns with one of his guests.
Its like looking in the corner of your bedroom and asking where are all the giraffes 🦒
More like being a giraffe in Africa and wandering the plains asking where are all the giraffes.
It's actually more like looking into outer space in multiple directions, with the most advance modern telescopes that can see billions of light years away, with some of the most intelligent minds calculating the inhabitability of planets and moons in sight and asking where are all these aliens and why aren't they there or anywhere? That's the truth. 😇
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 and now there to paradox us 👽 we can only see old light. radio signals trake a long time to cover space. Life is made from the most abundant stuff in the universe and happens relativly quickly in the right soup 🌊
Look under your bed instead.
@@tbag419 That's a guess. For 'the right soup' to produce something that can sustain itself from its environment and reproduce may be almost impossible - or it may be almost impossible that it doesn't happen. We just don't know - and what's more, we should all admit that we don't know.
“If we are alone in the universe, then we live in a simulation, there must be a intelligent creator behind it”…. This got me.
So God is not an alien, but this is the direction of ancient alien theories and I find that to be a deception and when asking for concrete proof you get hour long talks in circles with zero evidence.
God is real! Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord
@@Keepitoriginalministry And you are brainwashed!
People are so arrogant to think they have it all figured out this world is full of mysteries that evolution just cannot explain but the Bible does
@@cawbaird5711 Exactly those atheist that don’t believe in God, They never think twice about WHO thought about their HUNGER/ Stomach 🥘 🌲 WITH FRUITS 🍉 AND VEGGIES 🌽 AND NUTRITION, vitamins and protein ECT. Evolution or God? GOD!!
Good video, nice to rise these questions and searching for answers 👍
This is the most intelligent open minded exciting and thoughtful discussion and investigation into the possibility of life in the universe I have ever cone across. All of these thinkers, ponderers, have given this planet some real food for thought.
I'vè mated with an intelligent ET produçed a hýbrid that's the function of the programme which the Eiohim starred some 2 Million years ago
Robert I find these videos you produce are more educational than 99% of what gets, uploaded and I love watching as they are extremely perplexing. Stay safe...
Funny you should say that because I'm head first into the ufology community and I can tell you that this guy knows absolutely nothing and is extremely amateur in his research.
@@darkorse9752 it's the questions he asks that raise the need to perplex and the people he talks to, he is only what I might term a lay man but I find the conversation educational some people out there don't even know what an axion or atom is le alone talks on the emergence of consciousness.
On the one hand, we have Mr Kuhn who interviews very interesting, experienced and knowledgeable professionals in related fields, hence educates the masses, and on the other hand we have somebody mocking him and talking about 'uflology community' nonsense. If aliens had been all around us, visiting us all the time, produce irrefutable evidence. You have the internet, you have the equipment. Produce at least one single irrefutable evidence.
@@darkorse9752 ufoldgy and physics / meta physics are different things completely.
Robert doesn't upload these. Most of these are well over ten years old. These are clips from a US public television series called "Closer To Truth" that had been on and off the air since the year 2000. The only videos that are relatively new and made for KZhead are the roughly hour long one on one Zoom videos called "Closer To Truth: Chats". These old clips are uploaded by PBS interns.
Searching for extraterrestrials with the limited tools we have and expecting results is human arrogance. If we want it bad enough, and I think we do, we will get there some day.
@@davehoward22 They may not care to find us as it would mean revealing themselves to us, something they may not want at all!
There is here. Is not the cosmos 90 % nothing. So there supernatural.
and you might not either what with the high possibility they simply do not exist.
No, They will get here,, We will not leaving the solar system
7:40 « you dialup Scoty » thanks for your good sense of humour
Thanks, Robert. Another stellar job, as usual.
Ray Kurzweil is quite a character. I spent over a year reading his book, The Singularity is Near, and went to his lecture when came to a local university in my area. He got so confused in his lecture that he simply walked off the stage and didn't return, denying me the autograph I had sought as a reward for reading the tome he had written. Therefore, his proclaiming that we are are alone in the universe doesn't warrant much merit in my book and certainly doesn't make any sense.
Thank you Emzy! Very well thought out!
Thank you for reading his book and saving us all from attempting to get through it.
I’ve corresponded with him and found him helpful and kind. Maybe you saw him on an unusually bad day. Like Lawrence, I thought his explanation made a lot of sense.
"Therefore, his proclaiming that we are are alone in the universe doesn't warrant much merit in my book "...because he "got so confused in his lecture that he simply walked off the stage and didn't return, denying me the autograph I had sought as a reward for reading the tome he had written"!!! So your feelings were hurt (irrationally), therefore you now dislike the person AND all his opinions, sounds like a woman alright😂🤡
@@colors6692 WTF?
This is exactly what I wanted to see when I clicked on this. It made me more curious, but also didn’t reassure me of a single thing 🙃🙏 for some things there is an answer, but that answer may be so far away from us (or what we know) with no intention of ever journeying to present itself.
Great Program.. Thank you.....Any interviews with Jacques Vallée ?
Lawrence, this comment is for your entire body of work. For years I’ve been questioning my faith/ Catholic. But not just that, I’ve wondered if when we die that’s it! I lost my husband of 53 years in late 2021 who was a devout Catholic and attended Mass daily. His Parkinson’s ended that and I think as he got closer to death he wasn’t as interested in religion. He died a horrible death at home hospice which made me question life after death even more. 10 months later, to the day, my wonderful son dropped dead at 52 of a massive heart attack. These deaths made me question afterlife even more. I still pray to Jesus because of habit and still wonder. Your programs dealing with faith, existence of God, scientific facts and quantum physics have helped me. I am still of the belief that there is a supreme being out there but not sure what that means’ Thank you so much!❤
I was fascinated by the transitional sequence at about 19:15 where RLK walks down to the overlook and gazes out at the ocean which appears flat and lifeless. An analog to the cosmos, perhaps? Each is vast, just on tremendously different scales. Neither exhibits intelligent life directly, although one is teeming with it. The other??....
The problem is time and extinction. The few hundred years that advanced civilizations are around are nothing in cosmic time scales and just don't overlap with other civilizations.
I think all civilizations are evolving at roughly the same rate give or take a few hundred thousand years. The universe as a whole is biological. Think of the universe like a pond... algae and plankton would appear about the same time uniformly throughout the entire pond. If civilizations are spaced out as common as 10,000 light years between each other, our nearest neighbor would currently see earth as it was 10,000 years ago. They wouldn’t even know we exist. Also... We often think of alien life being more advanced but stop to think for a sec... We could very well be the more advanced civilization among our neighbors by a few thousand years simply because we evolved first. If that’s the case our nearest neighbor hasn’t even begun to emit radio signals let along be able to detect ours.
@@brandonleesanders Except that's not true because most stars are red dwarfs and they are many billions of years older than the star type that we orbit...Meaning that we would be the very new kids on the block in terms of life in the universe...If anything, life out there is so advanced that it simply isn't even perceptible to us...The same way bugs can't perceive poetry.
I was waiting for this point to be addressed in the video. It's not only the immeasurable scale of space, but that of time, that is a problem for any two or more civilizations to intersect. Scenario A) What if an intelligent civilization from a million lightyears away sent out a signal just 100,000 years ago? The signal hasn't reached us yet. Scenario B) What if an intelligent civilization from a million lightyears away sent out a signal 2 million years ago? We humans missed it by a million years. And so on.
Jeff Switching up on the comedy 😂
Yesterday night I was looking out of my window. There were so many houses and I started yelling "IS THERE ANYBODY?!?!" but nobody yelled back :( Where is anybody?
One of the most interesting discussions on the topic. Really terrific.
The speed of light is too slow to allow for instellar communication.
I`m speechless. Amazing video !
There's another important consideration for why we haven't heard anything, that wasn't mentioned. There is this assumption that intelligent life would be able to ascend to technological levels vastly greater than where we humans are, presently. Why do we assume that technology is for all intents and purposes, without limits? What if traveling amongst the stars is just physically impractical, even for the most advanced civilizations? What if there is no such thing as faster than light travel? No wormholes? Well, then we wouldn't be having any visitors would we? Civilizations would be effectively isolated from one another, with the exception of radio signals - and those only move at the speed of light. Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across. We've only just developed radio signals in the last 100 years. Our signals have only had the chance to radiate to 100 light years out - which is a tiny, tiny fraction of the stars in our galaxy. In other words, we've JUST begun broadcasting that we're here. The signals haven't had a chance to get out the door yet, metaphorically speaking. Maybe nobody knows about us yet. Of course, if there is intelligent life out there, there has been lots of time for them to develop; We'd expect there to be intelligent life that is considerably older than us - and therefore, would have been broadcasting their presence for possibly millions of years. Assuming they are in our galaxy, we'd expect to detect some signal from them - That is unless, they've realized that broadcasting their existence is not wise. Perhaps they were using radio wave to communicate during their early tech years, like us - then made the decision to mask those signals to prevent others from finding them. Those signals would have stopped a long, long time ago - and we wouldn't have been in a position to detect them. Ultimately, I think there must be tons of life - and also tons of intelligent life throughout the universe. Our galaxy alone probably harbors numerous intelligent civilizations - we just haven't had enough time to search - and they haven't either perhaps. The exceptions that are likely out there, just haven't made contact with us - perhaps by choice.
But coded signals (light,electromagnetic,heat,....) would still be possible.
@@tryphonsoleflorus8308 Rudimentary in the grand scheme of things to be. I believe we are not ready to experience other intelligent life and the things they could teach us. Civilization "Much more advanced" than ours would most certainly know this. Imagine the knowledge and technology they possess! It would be like giving a gun to a baby, only tragedy would fall upon the young child. If our civilization lives long enough I believe we will make meaningful contact, however I believe they will let us destroy ourselves and rip each other apart rather than the whole universe and rightfully so. WE are the reason nothing in the universe seems to be out there and that will never change until we change humans as a whole
@@TheGospelofKenneth Very wise,Sir
Just like the last tribes in the Amazon that are protected from interference. We occasionally fly over their village (are we "aliens" to them?) but essentially they are left alone.
It's way more serious than that. Keep reading because some random KZhead comment will not convince you.
Very precise observation you are definitely of a high IQ 👏👍✊🏽
That's true
and we using noisy machine and they use silent cloaking vessels and they're probably walking among us, there's probably one standing next to you right now working on his school project, ever get that feeling you're being watched? Don't look right don't look right....👽
we have no right to isolate them, btw. and at the same time we have no right to interfere. it is complicated.
What about the rendelsham incident or the Roswell incident ?....were so many people lying ????....all were military people of high ranking ....their entire lives they stood for duty and integrity so why is it that no one believes them ???....what about bob lazar and his findings ???
@@tonyb5492 I’ve done a lot of research into theses 2 incidents and it was not as simple as just seeing something ....a few of them even touched the craft and there was a particular design on the craft that they saw and they were even hit by a light laser ....if it was just something they saw in the distance then even I wouldn’t have believed it but the detailing in these 2 incidents was quite intricate ....I’m not saying I’m an unconditional believer but these 2 incidents really made me question a lot ....cheers
The military cases since the 1950s prove that we are interacting with an unknown intelligence. Unknown crafts have been monitoring and interacting with our nuclear weapon facilities since the advent of the atomic bomb. This is not based on belief, these are incursions of objects caught on radar and have deactivated nuclear warheads. Look up Robert Hastings and research his website. He has interviewed over a hundred military personnel since the 70s that have had sightings of unknown objects at nuclear weapons facilities. Thus, the military evidence alone proves that we are being visited by an unknown intelligence.
It takes so little to convince people they are "right", especially right-wing conservatives like military people. I don't believe they are lying, just wrong about what they think they saw. The Roswell incident was well addressed in this video. The Seti lady said "it makes no sense that an advanced civilization would come millions of light years just to crash the last mile."
Does anybody know what that background music is playing at the 20:00 minute mark? I need to know ASAP!
Great video thanks. As somebody with an astronomy background, I've always considered the Drake equation to be meaningless. I support the tech (Ray Kurzweil) and evolutionary biology viewpoints.
rays theory is fundamentally flawed, even by his own logic. he says intelligence is preposterously rare. okay. however, there's 100 billion planets in our galaxy, and 200 billion galaxies in the visible universe. estimates suggest we have only discovered a fraction of what's actually out there. even if it is preposterously rare, statistics are still on the side of it occurring somewhere else. 0.001% of 18 quadrillion is still a very large number.
@@cynic256 while I don't inherently disagree, his point is about intelligent life. And even then, let's say there is 1 other intelligent life form in this galaxy, the vast distances between stars and constellations make it practically pointless to know about them since we cannot reach them or be reached. Unless, the other argument applies about such civilization being able to travel, in which case we would already know about them. I'd love the evidence of such civilization tho, don't get me wrong.
My problem with first contact is the vast distances in space and the limits of biology
All I know is during first lockdown in April or May last year I was looking up at the night sky at 3am and I could see these lights like tiny stars in groups of 3 shooting one way and then another. They were way way way up in the atmosphere if they were in the atmosphere. I asked an astronomer I follow online if he'd ever seen a u.f.o and he said "yes once and they were like tiny stars in groups of three." True story.
many many have seen them, my wife and I saw 5 fly over once, way back, some 20 years ago. late at night.
Where at
@@Dreway West coast of Scotland
We are an experiment, they are trying to each us that we harm our bodies like we harm the earth. Until we wake! they will never show themselves. Or we are so small just like viruses and bacteria, we will never even see them or understand. When they say their's something like a barrier at the edge of the universe, like a barrier that we can never go through. We cannot even see nothing properly, our eyesight is terrible. So how the hell can anyone say for sure either way. Till we wake up from our stupor then, only then we can start to understand! We can't even get along with each other in the same countries, let alone on the other side of the world. We are destructive and aggressive race. They will not let us advance ever! We are worst and more backwards now than we ever was.
Excellent discussion....
I wish someone discussed the 'dark forest theory' - it's the most compelling explanation for no contact I've heard.
Please we are trying to keep it a secret
All the experiences humans have had and still people are in denial
kinda like trumpers lol
Nixon shown actor Jacky Gleason UFO spacecraft back in the 70’s. Jacky Gleason went on tv and bragged about it. And he built his house in the shape of the UFO. Google it.
@@merlinidlehands3302 i bet you like it when guys sniff your hair like Joe Biden
The current Government admission that UFOs (or UAPs in the current vernacular) makes Jill Tartar looks like the typical pompous, pontificating scientist. Aliens ARE here and ARE apparently interested in us.
@@FMDD168 the gov will NEVER tell you the truth not about ufos not about the pandemic
The biggest proof that there is intelligent life in space is that they haven’t contacted us yet 😉
Social scientist is not scientist. The same way as "software engineering is not engineering".
I know your think what you said s clever and smart. But it's actually literally some of the dumbest shit anyone has ever said.
Alpha central
@@TwiztedDezign I can't stand a bully. Find a better hobby, I can assure you there's something more constructive to be done with your time than finding strangers on the internet making harmless jokes and tearing them down for no reason other than your own satisfaction. "Twizted", indeed. Jerk.
@@Meilk27 I hate bullies too, and I am not a bully either. It's just that the innocent comment you're defending is actually a very tacit way of diminishing the seriousness of this issue. When you finally understand the seriousness of this situation, you will understand my frustration with people who say dumb, stupid things like that. All the best to you and yours. 👍👍
❤ Curiosity is the cure ❤ Thanks for sharing these amazing explorations.
I sincerely doubt that there are any other lifeforms out there. I definitely, however, strongly believe that we have an infinite capacity to delude ourselves about just about anything.
What about the Tic Tac video by Navy commander David Fravor? How about the Pentagon statement in the NY Times last July that they have multiple craft "not of this world"?
and also Avi Loeb and also former head of Israel's space security program for thirty years and retired Gen Haim Eshed recent statements !
aliens are a propaganda to hide some secrets and also make you to pay more taxes for their secrets
@@Adam-7_7_7 , The oldest one is 2004 and that's not that long ago. if they are not from the US, Russia, China, Japan, or India, that leaves only one choice.
They didn't say "not of this world" at all.
@@Adam-7_7_7 They didn't say that either. The most they said was that they don't know what those objects were. www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/us/politics/ufos-sighting-alien-spacecraft-pentagon.html www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.amp.html From the second link: "Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.” Eric W. Davis is an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program. His statement is not an official Pentagon statement in any way.
It's strange that they are still following the Copernican Principle, even though it was really about us not being the center of the universe. The Kepler Planet Finder showed that we are not in an average or normal solar system like we assumed. Our sun is abnormal precisely because it is so calm and stable, this is a feature, not a fault. Our system lacks super earths which are "normal" along with hot Jupiters. If you add in that we are basically a highly unusual dual planet with our enormous moon, liquid water on the surface and a strong magnetic field, and we are starting to seem awfully special, maybe unique.
TESS discovered a super earth in 2019. It's ok for us to not be special. We can accept that we are part of the fabric of the creation all around. That's more valuable to understand than to have a narcissistic hope that we are special.
@@randomness8819 It's no more useful to have the narcissistic hope that we are normal and average when this requires us to ignore the current state of scientific evidence. It's too early to make any final conclusions, but the evidence that we have right now points to all solar systems being unique and unusual, so we are normal in this sense. In fact, if you look closely at the planets that have been identified as terrestrial and in the habitable zone, almost all of them are orbiting red dwarfs and are probably tidally locked. This is most likely the biggest wishful thinking of all. I accept the data and evidence, not any sort of hopes or dreams, and I'm open to any new discoveries or perspectives.
@@caricue I have no idea what you are talking about nor what ascertion of normalcy you're referring to. You may have misread what I wrote, I guess.
@@randomness8819 It's certainly possible that I misinterpreted what you wrote. It's also possible that you didn't understand where I was coming from, or maybe we are talking about completely different things. The comments on YT are a special place that fosters misunderstanding and misinterpretation. I stick by my original point. Copernicus was primarily arguing against the religious idea of special creation, but due to a lack of actual knowledge of any other solar systems, generalized this idea that earth was not specially created by God to the idea that we were average and not in any unusual position or configuration. I feel that it is important to update your ideas based on any new information that is gathered by science, and not try to continue a theological debate from the 16th century.
@@caricue Yes it seems we are having a different discussion. All I said was a super earth was discovered and that focusing on a hope of our species being unique essentially takes away from our small but important place in the scheme of all things. you believe that's not right and thats is ok. I love having convos with others so plz note that, I mean no disrespect to you or the commenter above.
Love this channel
Where are the Aliens? They're one hill away. One breakthrough. One advancement. One hill away.
they are here wheather you want to believe or not ...and certain people have come in contact with them..and just because other people havent had this experience ..doesnt mean they dont exist and just because you dont have evidence ...again doesnt mean they dont exist and remember the people on earth are thinking in terms of the technology we have Other forms of life with technology that we dont even understand exist ...
I wish these episodes were an hour long.
Just watch it twice
@@cyclops9125 your right! I should have thought of that :)
@@cyclops9125 my first thought as well
They would be if the Discovery Channel showed them. They take a commercial break then rehash the previous 12 minutes for 3 minutes.
It is so freaking obvious that you guys troll around stroking one another's egos
That life is abundant in the universe is almost definitely a given. The real question is: how long after splitting the atom do intelligent species' last for?
Most aggressive CTT tittle ever
We have no idea how much 'energy ' it would cost an alien species to travel light years through space.
No aliens.
@paul zozak What a nob comment.
I loved that Frank Drake told the truth and backed up a lot of what I've been saying about aliens not coming here. The great line about alien interstellar travel had me laughing! ''Only the dumb ones would try, and they don't know how to do it'', nice one Frank!
Hmm' sounds like Sinker Toy got ''sunk''.
I agree with him. I don’t need to travel to Japan to look at a particular grain of sand. Why exactly is an advanced intelligence physically going anywhere? Matter and energy is the same everywhere. It’s no different in a galaxy a hundred million light years away than on Earth. The same quantum ‘stuff’.
I agree with the "simulation within a cloak" hypothesis. Our instruments can detect many sources of signaling as far back as the near beginning of spacetime as we know it. And not one alien signal. Illogical. But when the lab rat becomes aware that he is trapped in an experiment, does the experiment continue to serve its function? When does the cloak get lifted or the plug pulled?
The answer to the Fermi paradox is the Simulation hypothesis. If you were interested in reenacting the Civil War, would you also reenact every other war in history? If you were simulating your own planet in great detail, would you bother to simulate every other planet? No. You'd save the processing power for simulating the "boring" civilization you're interested in.
Our definition of life is too anthropomorphic
Yeah, we should allow someone else to define it.
@@williamesselman3102 do you understand what I’m saying? A human can analyze life from many lenses. Obviously we aren’t living anywhere but inside the circuits of a human form. We can however think from concepts of self that don’t limit us to this form.
@@loganbranjord7855 give me just a second, I'm imagining I'm a cow so I can formulate a better response for what exactly we are.
It's probably going to be udder nonsense. 😃
@@williamesselman3102 ok, I won’t bother you with it. Have a nice day either way :-)
You should sit down and talk to Richard Dolan
Why? You can make up the same BS he does, easy. This is all bullshit, there isZERO evidence. And evidence doesn’t require an open mind or interpretation (just to cut off you “close minded skeptic” trolls).
@@b.m.2434 I can't debate ignorance you did no research and you haven't seen one like I did or you wouldn't be strolling
There is evidence all over the place. Do yourself a favor and watch the documentary the phenomenon.
@@b.m.2434 kzhead.info/sun/qrBqj7iMbpl3iXk/bejne.html
@@Joel-pn3de yep I know for a fact I have seen one 60 odd years ago.what I saw it do was science fiction dreams I personally am convinced they are not from here. I saw this with many people I was not hallucinating although I felt like it was not for real that's how incredibly can't wait for the day if I'm still alive the truth comes out all these know-it-alls we'll look pretty stupid as they are
Distance is the issue, I feel most people can't seem to grasp how far away things are.
If One can assume Aliens exist. then One can also assume a Creator of this universe exists . (not other universes because those are assumptions of assumptions) Like Humans creating characters in a Computer Program. Simulation games, Metaverse . We are clearly the Creators of these Computer Programs. And many people believe that we could be inside a simulated universe.
Yet another reason to love Kuhn. He is not only brilliant. He is open minded. He has a generous heart. He has a good human being.
Being open minded is fine, but not if you ignore facts! One must place fact before all else or you're just wasting time.
As usual, outstanding and very interesting lessons about the Universe and these predators, called HUMANS. 👏👏👍👍
Speak for yourself 🤷♂️.
@@iniquity123 so you are a vegetarian
@@MichaelGreenLagos I'm vegetarian but I am still belong to the worst species on universe
Your entire channel is awesome and so addictive. The answer is that space is so enormous that the probability of finding intelligent life in this galaxy is next to zero. From another galaxy? Don't hold your breath.
They would find us, because of the Fermi paradox
Talk about other civilizations needing to use SO much energy to get here leaves out the possibility that others have learned to use worm holes for transport. It also only subscribes to the idea that others use the same type of energy and physics that we are familiar with.
All of these so-called experts and we still don't know any more than we did from the beginning. And we never will know all we'll ever have is somebody's theories
Amazing work. Are we closer to the truth? Don't think so.
It's astounding how many allegedly intelligent scientists say that there is no intelligent life in our universe apart from our own. That in itself is a paradox.
The idea of independent technological civilizations in galaxy that may only communicate sporadically on an ad hoc basis has merit in a number of ways; including difficulty of interstellar travel, greater feasibility of communication and the practicality of interaction.
Ive watched documentaries on conciousness and i think it plays a big deal on how we communicate with them
Yes they are telepathic. Their science revolves strictly around electromagnetism, and brain signals are electrical signals. Praying is a form of telepathy. Pope's and Arch bishops use to carry around gold or copper cross staffs, which acts as a conductive antenna. Everything in the universe to some degree is electromagnetic, including a living body.
I remember Traveling as a child and coming upon a playground. It was filled with many other children and all sorts of happenings going on. As I drew closer I could see all kinds of kids, of all kinds of colors doing all kinds of things, all Babbeling excitedly. I leaned on the fence to watch. Though the park was very large I noticed everyone had sprawled into separate areas of the playground and then into smaller and smaller groups. It was hard for me to understand. These groups would then begin to argue and fight for no apparent reason. The clashes would very often if not always end with extreme violence and death. So I simply decided I would try another playground and went on about my travels.
I like your style dude.
I particularly like that last gentleman...his argument or vision is much like mine...something similar to STAR Trek where it is the pioneer, rebel, and much still human character that will drive forth and discover new worlds and civilizations.
One possibility for the technology argument is that we are the first (or one of the first) to develop technology. In that case there could be other intelligent lifeforms, but no communications yet. The first could search all they want and not hear anything else trying to communicate.
“Why is there no evidence?” That stupid question belongs in the same dustbin as “How often do you beat your wife?” It’s like a person covering his eyes with his hands and demanding to know why there is no evidence of light.
It's not a stupid question! People talk 90% unevidenced nonsense about aliens! It's perfectly valid to ask why there's no evidence if they claim aliens exist! Nobody on this planet has ever contacted an alien and science tells me nobody will!
Exactomento !! Well said
@@geoden It is a stupid question!! People talk 100% unevidenced nonsense about god(s, whatever TF). It's perfectly valid to ask why there's no evidence if they claim god exists! Nobody on this planet has ever contacted a god and science tells me they never will!
@@xisudra384 You seem confused, why do you simply repeat my words?
@@geoden Maybe he's an alien, they are known for repeating the same thing in a slightly different way.
Maybe aliens don't care whether there is other life in the universe because they are busy making their world better
Well, clearly you can't know that, but good for them if they exist. Again, you can only guess about that.
@@geoden And you are also guessing that they are not. Touche!
@@mahalallel2012 No, I rarely make guesses of any kind, I like to deal with facts. There's been plenty alien rubbish spouted but zero scientific evidence presented.
AS WE SHOULD BE DOING.
And when we run out of space? It's like an unhatched chick desperately trying to keep the inside of its egg habitable.
Reminds me of the story of the flea that lived on the elephant and concluded that nothing exists except itself. We're about there, we don't know enough to make definitive conclusions either way.
Drake hit the mail on the head, but he only scratched the surface in explaining the incomprehensible distances that separate us even within our tiny slice of the Milky Way galaxy.
25:40 Would our culture survive? You don't need aliens to destroy it. People are already working hard on it.
Explain which people and how.
@@williamesselman3102 Globalization!
You can be on my team
If we dip a cup of water from the ocean and catch no fish, do we then conclude “no fish in the ocean?” Travis Walton and Betty and Barney Hill and the Weiner Brothers would argue “they are here.”
Yes they are here I've been with them and there is no doubt. Until you see them yourself no one will admit that they are real.
Perhaps using something bigger than a cup would help.
Some cups filleth over. Seeing is believing. 👽
@@randallmiser2976 Yes, there are beings here. The problem is, these beings are not what we expect them to be. I don't think they come from the universe we know. They are either time travelers or they come from another dimension or a parallel world. What most of us cannot understand is that they are not particularly interested in us. The interest they have in us apparently relates to a self-interest. These beings definitely have their own agenda. Another problem for many people is understanding that these beings have no interest in that we put our focus on them. Why should they officially land here and give us their technology? Why should they do that? That's absurd. We humans apparently still have the impression that we are the crown of creation. We are possibly only one species among trillion species. As we know, we humans are in the process of destroying our livelihood. Why should these beings have an interest in being in close contact with a form of life like that of humans? These beings are possibly many thousands of years ahead of us. Why should these creatures be so stupid?
@@randallmiser2976 me too bro...I have been visited by the emerther gray race....positive interdimensional beings of light and love that are our cosmic brothers and sisters who have been watching us since antiquity....what race have u met?
Trying to have a radio or a laser conversation with someone only a light year away would be impractical.
It looks like we have craft. This emplies that life may be a dynamic, intentional outcome of our universe. Life is a component just like stars, quazars, etc. The Implications are vast. Fine tuning seems designed, or evolved, to bring life. On and on. It would aupport views on consciousness which suggest a synergistic relationship between mind and matter.
Thanks to the comments section I know not to even bother watching this, we've seen & heard it all before!
This was actually very good with interesting guests but, whatever bro😁
Imagine each grain of sand on earth was a galaxy...then spred each grain of sand out until their is 6 miles in between each grain..then ur just scratching the surface
Worth looking at some of moon photos, and mars.
Saying that there is no evidence of extraterrestrials does a great disservice to the thousands of people who have experienced them.