This is Why Nairo Quintana is so Bad at Time Trials | Paris Nice 2022 Stage 4
2022 ж. 8 Нау.
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Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Stage 4 of Paris Nice 2022, a 13 km time trial to be undertaken by an extremely deep field of ITT specialists including Primož Roglič, Rohan Dennis, Wout Van Aert, Stefan Küng and Stefan Bissegger.
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Top tier helmet analysis, that's what we all come here for. Cursed helmet is now the blessed Gold helmet for Rog
BY OSMOSIS XDDD
@@vingofong3367 LR should pitch the idea to Zwift and Red Bull. It would be a piece of cool equipment in Zwift world where a Red Bull helmet gives you a consistent 2.5% power boost.
Excellent analysis given on the helmet analysis, TheMoss20
Hahaha tour de helmets
Given the fact that van Avermaet had to do 4 year (5 years) with a golden helmet now seems like he could have won a lot more cobbled classics
Your commentary on the effects of gold vs. caffeinated helmets is priceless.
I was just about to comment on that and found yours. Loved the dad jokes.
ahhaahah XD
Solid arguments though!
seeing a Jumbo Visma doing a time trial in yellow gives me ptsd
No wonder Wout flew up that last hill, his helmet gives him wings
“By osmosis, provides a caffeinated beverage into his skull” UCI should surely look into this
The UCI must take rapid action against the Red Bull helmet. It gives you wings, after all
You're not going to find detailed helmet analysis like this anywhere else, cycling fans. When it comes to great cycling analysis interspersed with just the right dosage of witticism, nobody does it better than Lanterne Rouge.
Some strong scientific insights with the helmet analysis
Great side-on shots comparing Nairo’s position to other contenders. Truly shocking how poor it is. Can’t blame small Arkea budget because his position was pretty much the same at Movistar. Almost seems like he’s just not interested in being competitive in TTs.
In reality the position is very little to do with money. An angled riser under the aerobars would have closed up the front end. Of course if thy ha the budget they could get a custom cockpit for him but it looks like they're not even doig the basics. Can only assume he doesn’t practice the TT a all or else he's playin an elaborate long game. Pretend to still have a woeful TT in early season races and then bust out the startin gate in the Tour/Giro with full preying mantis position and record a career best time trial. Fingers 🤞
could lose time on purpose so he has a better shot at winning one of the climbing stages... he is not a threat anymore for the yellow
Very good points Kevin and Rob. He can’t seriously be considered a GC rider with such poor TT performances, regardless of the reason for those poor performances. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be stoked watching him go thermonuclear up a mountain
@@swergs it would be great to see him back to his best and really giving the other GC contenders something to think about. Its defo possible that he's losing time on purpose tho.
@@gilleek2 No way he's losing time on purpose, Arkea needs all the UCI points they can get and a high placement on GC gives the most points by far. People have simply been overestimating how good he is from his performances in those 2 small stage races he won in France. We call them Mickey Mouse races for a reason.
Nairo is seeking French citizenship by becoming worse at TTs and only putting in otherworldly climbing performances.
Rogla said to Wout at 6:27 "I need to become good eh" 😂
Come for the highlights, stay for the science.
Being a conti team doesn't give you an excuse not to work on the tt. Just look at Ribble in the UK.
UnoX too
I can't believe you passed on the joke of the Red Bull helmet giving wings to Wout van Aert! Though the caffeination gag was also good
great summary. I missed the stage today. Now I feel like I have seen it . Thanks. great work
love the helmet comparisons! and the bicep coments.... helpful to think about for my own aero positions!
Great analysis as always. Watching the race live I was amazed not only at how upright Nairo was but more by how fidgety he was. The guy barely sat still and looked ridiculously uncomfortable.
Looks like Nairo could simply do with an even smaller frame... Looks like they can't actually drop him low enough on the bike...
Thats what I think. His bike is too big. He can barely sit on the saddle.
Having watched the TT live i was shocked at how Nairo was riding, it isnt just his aero setup, its that he is moving around all the time and not even spending that much time in the TT bars. if you rewatch it you acn see nairo sitting up on the hoods super early before every corner wasting energy and he never took a corner fully in the TT bars on the opposite end of the spectrum you could see Kung basically did the whole TT without sitting up until the final climb. taking every corner as fast as possible and in the TT bars if possible. Nairo seemed like he wasnt even trying full around the cornerrs and even starting taking drinks from his bottle over a 13km TT? so weird.
to me it seems like he's super uncomftable on the tt bike
Love the helmet comparison. Your humor is 10/10.
great helmet analysis keep it up
Would love to try some of that skull caffeine osmosis.
great stuff
A comparasion of the old TT positions from Fabian Cancellara to Ganna would be great.
"Caffeinated beverage into his skull" - this is the commentary I live for keep it up!
Petition to let Niaroman use 650c TT wheels please
It's only fair
The Commentary here is top Notch😊
Dennis is going to be a beast for jumbo visma this season
Incredible from Jumbo Visma again. Good performance from Simon Yatez.
Nairo rides with no fear down mountains at crazy speed, yet has one hand on the handlebar on a turn in TT
For goodness sake Arkea !! Just pay Dan Bigham for a weekend of TT position fitting !! Nairo man has a really 'old' power TT set up , every pro team should be trying to replicate Ethan Hayter s position ( where physically possible) that guy must be saving a massive amount of watts , hot knife thru butter
It's all about presenting the smallest amount of frontal area to the wind AND the kicker, how long can one hold the optimal low frontal area position while still maintaining TT level watts
I need one of those red bull hats
It all boils down to which are his primary engagement muscles and how is his body geometry configured, I don't think Arkea hasn't done windtunnel testing with Nairo, it's just that It might be that a more aggressive position for him might lead to diminished returns in performance....
Классное видео !
My partner said I guffawed like an idiot at the gold helmet line, that was brilliant 👌🏼 But srsly tho, the legs on WVA as he rounds that corner... BEAST. Jumbo Visma looking good for later in the season!
Strongest field I've seen in a while. A lot of veterans coming up on their own after being overshadowed, lots of improved riders and healthy dose of strong newcomers. Grand tours will be great.
Said this to the missus as I watched it on tv, he has no idea of aero. Seen him climb Alpe-d'huez some years ago though (I think about 2012), hell he was fast.
Wout skull doping smh i thought we cleaned this sport up
En Colombia no hay pistas de ciclismo y en las autopistas tienes que exponerte a los carros
Nairo has an old school, low stack position which just opens up his chest to catch air. His chin to forearm distance is too large compared to other riders. Fellow colombian, Dani Martinez, has a great position. For whatever reason, Nairo is either disinterested or can't produce power from a more aero position.
You mean high stack
Watch out for the yellow train on the tour!!!
Great!
It all makes sense now. Those helmets!
Ineos seem to uses either the ubber expensive 3d printed extensions e.g Ganna or are on standard extensions - e.g Adam Yates. While most hitters from rival Teams are the modern arm hugging type e.g Jumbo's Vision extensions. Have Ineos blown their extension budget on all of Ganna's TT rigs? Can't they afford Aerocoach, WattShop, Speedbar etc styled bars for their GC riders like Yates if they don't want to splash out on the printed custom ones?
always feel for Kung every single time
"Stop air hitting the biceps" Wasn't Greg Le Monde the first to use bar extensions ? (Against the blonde French guy with glasses) Fignon, I just remembered.
Looks as if kung has a slightly similar new position to ganna with the hands turned in
Could we get a comparison of wattage for these guys ?
Oups !! No T.T.T on the tour this year
Топ ! Это сколько тренировок и труда 👍
After the helmet comments, I'm just glad you're not doing an analysis of the prizes at the Bloeizone Fryslan Tour 😀
Incredible analysis and commentary but I think in terms of getting views putting a title that focused on jumbo going 1 2 3 again would snag more as this one did not seem to hit the algo right.
Radio aero is from dan Bingham who’s joined ineos I believe
Watching TJV dominate has been fun but when are going to see the true test of Rog vs Pog this year?
No basque country battle this year so i think the tour
I have to agree with Quintana could easily be a lot faster with a better position and a bitt more testing on the TT setup. I would also say that he would benefit from a smaller bike frame for the TT, the size of the frame limits his options a bit with the cockpit setup.
Quintana is such a small dude - and, proportionately, has a smaller torso by the looks of it - he looks like a kid on his first road bike. Needs a new bike with totally revised geometry.
Heard Wout’s team was annoyed that he wasn’t given the opportunity to wesr his own team TT suit instead of this green standard aso suit
also did anyone else wonder if tactially it made more sense for Roglic to gift the stage to laport, if that meant he could use his own faster skinsuit in the TT. He gave up 4 bonus seconds but for sure would have gained more than 4 seconds being able to use the very fast jumbo skinsuits
Poor Wout, always stuck with those dumb points jerseys in every stage race lol.
@@soulripper31 He still won tho, the helmet compensated the suit I guess
Anything is possible, but I doubt they considered the skinsuit tactically. Roglic is just so much better than the other GC contenders in the field that he likely came into the race knowing he'd gain lots of time on the TT. Barring a crash or being sick he was basically guaranteed to be on the podium and 10+ seconds ahead of the next non-JV GC rider even if he was in a worse skinsuit as a skinsuit is just going to be a couple of seconds over 16min. Knowing the TT was coming probably did make gifting the stage an easier decision though as he'd have known he'd get 4+ seconds back easily in the TT. He's probably also banking on Laporte and the team in general providing better support in the mountains as their morale must be sky high, and getting better support because your team is more motivated and likes you as a person (rather than just riding for you because it's their job) is worth a LOT more than 4s. Movistar's dysfunction in years past is clear evidence for this, as a lot of their issues came from unwilling domestiques either doing the bare minimum or actively sabotaging their leader's interests to pursue their own. The culture at JV seems to be a lot more cohesive and friendly, and gifting a stage to show your appreciation both improves that culture and could pay a huge ROI for Roglic throughout the rest of the season as a happy and motivated team is an effective one (and having such a ridiculously strong squad doesn't hurt). Having to navigate the politics and strategy of whether or not to gift a stage to a teammate is a very good problem to have, and IMO they handled it very well.
@@tugabooga if you go on wouts instahram he has a story up showing how bad and baggy the skin suit was with wrinkles all over his arms. Not aero 😅
@@rahelwijeyekoon9403 yeah probably a reach but just going by the numbers it does make sense. At this point i think the UCI need to allow riders to use team skinsuits because its such a disadvantage
Just realised that LR's audience reach is so much better than GCN: 55k views for this video w/ 150k subscribers vs. ca. 65k views for the latest GCN show with more than 2 million subscribers (with about the same time passed after upload). Fantastic! Advertisers: take note!
red bull helmet literally giving wout van aert wings
The reason why I never considered him a serious Tour De France after his first real GC attempt. Too defensively and couldn't follow with the absolute best + the TT. Sucked having to hear him being touted a serious TdF winner for years. Pogacar first win marked the end of any hope for him. Quintana never risked it in a daring ride at the bottom of the hardest mountains. We are blessed to have Vingegaard
Maybe Wout was just being coy, but he did say right after the stage that he was super pleased with the results thus far and that for the rest of the race his plan was to relax and just ride for Roglic, who is the Jumbo leader for this race. I don't think there will actually be much drama about who the team should support, based on those comments.
Nairos position is a bit old school, he is way to low and because of it he can't stay in the bars for long and it also creates a bulge in his back. At least that's what I think is happening compared to the other guys. French team, old school thinking that slamming the bars is the way to go.
Some climbers just don’t have it. Miguel Angel Lopez is comparable. They just aren’t comfortable and fast on a TT bike. It almost seems like a physiology issue where they’re unable to generate anywhere near as much power. But it’s hard to look past the financial support factor as some continental teams don’t have a TT bike to lend for home training. Arkea might just accept that they can’t pour effort into winning TTs they way they can with winning mountain stages.
Erm, Miguel Angel Lopez did a decent time trial in T-A and also did a great one in Algarve in 2020. His problem is his lack of consistency.
I'd rate Rigo and Dani as decent climbers too and they can bang out an awesome TT. You don't need expensive bikes either, Simon Yates was flying at one point and he's on a Giant.
Imagine pogacar with that red bull helmet 😳
most professional cyclists have the legs to maintain good speed and make a good time trial, The problem is that the bodies are different and for many, due to their physical complexion, it is difficult to maintain that TT positions, for long periods of time
What, 16 minutes??
@@simonbailey2151 put your body in an unconventional posture and 3 minutes will be enough for you to start suffering,
Hey NairoMan: Get on the trainer on your TT bike and do Tour of Watopia (LRCP sponsor plug). And seriously, your stem is too slammed.
@@m.amonroy4465 I think you missed the point of LR's video. Quintana's set up is terrible. His stack is much too low so of course he's struggling. If you're paid to be a professional cyclist and want to contend GC then get the TT basics right. I've seen amateur cyclists with better set ups, and they don't have any sponsors.
@@m.amonroy4465 I would suggest that he could get both a more comfortable AND more aerodynamic position on that Canyon. Who set him up on it, Stevie Wonder?
Don’t discount the fact that the Redbull that he gets from his helmet also gives him wings. The competitive advantage is insane.
“Provides by osmosis a caffeinated beverage into his skull” LOL!
Arkea can not blame lack of budget on Quintana's bad TT, 90% of amateur bristish time trialists have better setups and positions that him. He doesn't need a wind tunnel, he needs a mirror, and half an hour on a time trial positions facebook group
Quintana's position is what you would see from a middle aged man who just started doing triathlon and posting pictures of him in his first race for advice on a time trial forum. Seriously it's painful to watch
Isn’t it one of those unofficial rules in cycling; if a rider excels at climbing / sprinting / TT then said rider should be distinctly below average in every other area? Obviously there are several riders over the years who failed to adhere to the rule (generally GC winners). One of the reasons we love this sport?
Love the helmet comments 👌
Nairo's bike size does not look ok, seems a size too big. Canyon sizes are a bit bigger than the norm and Nairo would not be a priority being in a smaller team
I don't really understand the "smaller team" excuse. Bike Exchange might be a WT team but they don't have any riders as famous as Quintana on their roster. Yet look at Simon Yates' early split time and he's riding a Giant, so clearly you don't need expensive bikes to do well! Yates isn't massively bigger than Quintana either. Seems to me that either Arkea management just haven't put the work into their TT set up or Quintana hasn't done the training.
@@sharonmoller7414 You are right, I partially meant smaller in comparison to other Canyon teams (Movistar; Alpecin) and Canyon sizing not being very friendly for smaller guys
Did wout maybe lost a bit of his sprint and got even better at longer efforts?
Would be quite weird before the classics
You kind of forgot that Red Bull gives you wings!
Is vlasov Not wearing the russian national champ Trikot because of the war?
At least Nairo can see in his TT position. Also he is much faster than Bernal now.
I thought you were going to go for wings, not caffeine. Good point about the gold though - they've put it on his bike too, clearly sabotage 😱
I imagine you have tried to hold the TT aero posture, and that you know how hard it is to hold, given your body form, maybe it comes easily to you. some forms really can't hold that tight aero stance. its pretty simple here. TT's are mandatory, winning them is not.
TTs are mandatory, doing at least ok in them is mandatory if you want to do well in 1 week races
It's much easier when you get the set up right. And Quintana's set up is abysmal. It doesn't need to cost a lot of money to get right either, its doing a proper bike fit. Step one: measure up the frame size correctly. Step two: fine tune it in a garage with a set of Allen keys before attempting the stage LOL!
How good of a TT rider you are is partly a result of how much you can 'fold' your body together(seeking aero advantage) while still producing max power. It might be the case that Quintana produces less power when seated in a 'perfect' TT position. If you look at Evenepoel his position, it's crazy he can still produce max power while being folded completely in half on the TT bike. At times his head is lower then his butt.
WVA interview said that his most important part of the race is over. And he mentioned that he's preparing for the classic. So I don't see Rogilc will pace WVA. If Yates attacks, Roglic will follow and leave WVA. And I don't think WVA wants to dig deep again like TA last year and jeopardize his classic campaign. He wants to win MSR, Flanders, and Roubaix. PN GC wins is nothing compared to winning a monument.
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Wout Van Aert had an actual disadvantage with wearing the green jersey cause it doesn’t have the special aerodynamic shizzle the teams tt jerseys have
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Roglic has an old money, compounding interest approach to helmets, unlike Wout's 'work hard play hard' startup helmet approach. Both allow for success, but only one can win!
French Cycling teams can´t set up aero positions since the days od Laurent Figion.
nq is 5'6" 130lbs, thats y his struggles on tt's. i dont think he's gonna push hard when he knows its futile. maybe he could tweek his position but even tho their team isnt the biggest and the best i doubt they dont know what everyone else knows about an ideal tt position. its well known what the best tt position is, im sure theyre in the know.
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Seeing how much bikes affect performance, should riders choose their bikes and set up when representing their national teams in different events. I don't think Lapierre has the bike for the level of Kung
Küng is reading King not Kung
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Two lockout podiums for JV in 4 stages. Amazing! Quintana just too lazy to learn a fundamental skill set. He’s had great legs but shoots himself in the foot for GC.
Almeida a big gun? Really? When did that happen?