A $300 Tenor Horn that I bought myself
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How many instruments do you own and I mean brass, and woodwind just in all. And can you make a video showing every single instrument you own
I found a baritone horn for 350$ one time
I'm starting to make french horn video
“Brass instruments are inherently untuneful...” Laughs in trombone.
The way I play it sure is!
unTrentfully inherentuneful.
I really wish I'd see more tenor horn repertoire. Aside from the french horn, alto brass is incredibly underrated.
do more TUBA´s ^^
@@danielgulseren9783 tuba rep is criminally low too but there's a slow resurgence. Alto Horn tho, never really had thought put to it in the first place
Alto trombone has quite a bit of repertoire written for it, it's just not used very often.
@@caleblarsen5490 ah, so I suppose an alto horn could take up that repertoire. However that I feel iffy about, playing in a different instrument is cool and can often enhance a piece, but its better to have more instrument specific designed repertoire
@@mason11198 I totally agree. I think a good route to have more people write for alto horn is to steal other people's music.
Love the tone that has.
Wonderful instrument for the price! Great video.
I really like these videos and like the fact that unlike Top Gear who only feature luxury cars; you are not doing this with the instruments you review. Down to earth assessments of an instrument is much needed in a sea of people playing Monettes and other high-end stuff.
Well said!!
“ something as near to my heart as minimalistic living” he says as he’s in front of a huge wall of various horns, and I laugh as I look around at my own wall of horns and slowly stop laughing….
"High written E is a bit out..." Is it just me, or do Eb and C pitched instruments inherently struggle with this far more than Bb or even F instruments? For instance, it's completely standard practice to do alternates like 12 for E and 23 for Eb at the top of the staff on C and sometimes Eb trumpet, but you'd be hard-pressed to find any good player who does that regularly on Bb.
Im glad i get to be here before all the other subscribers.. It feels strange but pleasant
I love the Jeremy Clarkson reference.
Your name on the bell makes it harder to steal, and you didn't even have to scratch it in yourself! This might come in handy if you reach a point where you own enough instruments to start your own brass band.
I noticed some companies had stencils models of these tenor horns back during Black Friday sales and was contemplating trying one, but ultimately decided to hold off and focus on my upper euphonium (and alto trombone) range for the time being. Also, noticed some cheap, high alto F horns as well, which is a curious instrument.
Years ago I taught myself a bit of jazz cornet and trumpet, but only ever played alone just for fun. Still have a Geneva cornet but never play it any more. I love the sound of the tenor horn, so mellow. An underrated instrument I think.
wow! what an intro! lovely playing!
I love the way you to tell it as it is and no waffle👏 I Will be “tuning in”😂pardon the pun to all your very informative advice! Thank you Trent 💪🎺🎶🎺
Sounds lovely. I think this is the kind of horn I'd like to get to learn a brass instrument. Its a much mellower tone than trumpet and not as big as a Euph. I believe the Nuvo Jhorn is modelled on this kind of horn. Fab
last December i bought me an F Tuba from China, was 3000 Euro. valves are not that smooth but in the end its a good Instrument to learn. no compare to my Melton Gravity ^^
Sounds nice. I've only seen a tenor horn with a trigger once, think it was a York. My horn is a 1890s example, still in high pitch, using a Wick 5 mouthpiece. It played well when I got it, although the join between the lead pipe and the valve block was a bit leaky. I had it fixed by someone I know who made that joint functional if not pretty (it took a lot of solder), and he also stuck it in the sonic cleaner, which changed its colour a bit because of all the dirt, and it also revealed a hole in the 2nd valve slide which he then repaired. So I've paid more on the mouthpiece alone than the instrument, and only a bit more on fixing the instrument than the mouthpiece. However, after the repair, it seems a lot harder to maintain a constant tone, it being especially fluffy in the lower register, and I'm not sure why. I'm considering making a 3d printed section to extend the main tuning slide so it can play in low pitch without the slide being almost falling out, and I think I'll need the mouthpiece shank modifying slightly too to make sure the mouthpiece is in properly.
Thanks for this video. I especially appreciate it because I just purchased a new euphonium from Sai Musical (in Meerut, UP, India) for US $287 with free shipping. It arrived very quickly (thanks to DHL), and I'm happy with it. However, there was one unpleasant surprise--when I heard that familiar 'popping' noise and tried to use the spit valve, nothing came out, so I pulled off the slide and emptied it that way. This slide doesn't quite match the instrument, so the two sides of the slide have to be spread slightly to reinsert it. When I decided to see what was keeping the spit valve from emptying, the reason became very obvious--there was no hole in the tubing under the valve! Therefore, I need to figure out a way to get a hold drilled to make this usable. I guess the person responsible for perforating the tubing was absent that day! Otherwise, the instrument seems to play well, and I love the full, robust sound! It came with its own mouthpiece, but I find that using my trombone mouthpiece instead gives a much better sound.
@Bob Jacobson - I remember reading reports of instruments made by Boosey & Hawkes also going out with undrilled spit-valve holes in the days when their quality control went out the window in an attempt to keep up with demand caused by massive government subsidies to schools buying instruments for their pupils. There was no way they could match the output quantity which companies like Conn, Selmer and Yamaha could achieve, and quite frankly the management of B & H were stupid to try.
@@jackx4311 Thanks! Fortunately, it's a problem that can be solved quite easily.
Trent, is Alibaba a good site to buy instruments? I was thinking of getting a French Horn and possibly an Alto Horn there.
Hi just started on the tenor horn...do yu have any information of forming embouchere...i watch one fora trumpet in four stages..isit the same...enjoyed your video
Hi! I've been playing tenor horn since I was 12 and am diploma standard and have been solo horn in different bands (I'm happy to help!). What exactly do you mean by forming embouchure? Like do you mean how to make a good sound? Or how to make it so you can keep a strong embouchure without getting tired (so how to play a long time)? Or something else?
You sound different today.
Anyone happen to have the name of the shop or manufacture of this. Might want to get one for myseld
What instrument is playing in the exit music?
Is Tenor Horn the long-lost twin brother of Trevor Horn?
Could we please get the sheet music for the outro? :)
I am struggling to find content for developing players ability for tenor horn. Would welcome some pointers for material please 😊
7:30 a man of culture I see
In concert band music usually the horn parts are usually in F, has any body tried to convert a Brass Band tenor horn to F so brass band players don't have to transpose a tone?
Most American models of alto horn had a slide that allowed F conversion.
My Jean Paul trumpet gets stuck of I don’t play it regularly.
Can you suggest some music for the E flat tuba I just got. I'm in high school and we have no music for it and I would absolutely love to play something on it.
@@C4pt41nN3m0 by Eb fingerings do you mean play in the key of Eb or just play with Eb in the signature.
@@C4pt41nN3m0 no you're good you answered every question I would of had in advance thank you.
Do you have a link to the seller?
If they didn't use Jeremy Clarkson's hammer, they may have used his special gardening tool, a shotgun.
What are the mouthpiece dimensions on those? Like a horn mouthpiece? small bore trombone?
Same as a mellophone mouthpiece, kinda like a trumpet mouthpiece with a a deeper cup
I liked the jeremy clarkson reference
Are we gonna get an update on the Bach bass trombone?
Yes, one day. I’m waiting on some new braces to arrive for it.
rip jupiter bass bone
PLAY THE HINDEMITH Eb ALTO SONATA ITS GOOD
I keep seeing that horn in the back with all the bells and I was wondering what the hell that is I’ve seen it before, just don’t remember what it’s called. Found it... kinda martinstrompete
What seller/manufacturer in Alibaba did you buy this instrument from? I'm interested in checking that instrument out too.
Trent mentions it at 8.15 basically he says look elsewhere for warranty reasons
@@QalinaCom I’m not bothered whether an instrument has warranty or not because there’s zero repair shops in where I live in my country in the first place. *cries*
@@theafellacomposer LOL I hope there is internet as you might be doing lots of DIY with those!
@@QalinaCom Indeed. Until I have enough tools, for now I am handing my instruments like they only have one life--cuz they do in a way.
Hey Trent, it looks like an alto horn not a tenor as the title says ? Could you confirm that ? Thanks
The Eb horn is called "alto horn" in much of Europe and I believe the US, but is called "tenor horn" in the UK, New Zealand, Australia, etc. This instrument is definitely a tenor horn where I am and where Trent is, but may well be an alto horn where you are! It gets even more confusing when you consider that what is sometimes called a tenor horn in Germany is generally called a baritone horn in English. Nobody can agree on names, sadly.
2:10, and this time...LISTEN.
They're the same thing people just call it different names.
Hey
Trent have you changed your voice? or your microphone?
His voice definitely sounds different: could be a new mic, or perhaps he's just talking differently? Sounds great.
I’m a Tenor Horn player. Good review of a cheap instrument. And, if it’s really good enough for you, then God bless! But regardless, I hate seeing the market flooded with cheap instruments like yours. You are knowledgeable. Most buyers of that instrument won’t be. And, a lot of them are going to be very disappointed in the long run. Their $300 would be so much better spent on a used Yamaha.
maybe a stupid question - how alibaba differs from ali express?
Alibaba allows you to get in contact with suppliers to organise custom orders and large quantities, whereas Aliexpress is just an online shop front.
That's actually an Eb Alto Horn. Identical tonality to the Eb Alto Saxophone.
He said that in the video lol. The U.S. is the only country that refers to it as an Alto Horn.
@@sceu25 Correct.
@@sceu25 Germany also refer to the instrument as Alto Horn, or more precisely "Althorn"
@@apolloskyfacer5842 god, that was annoying
I know this instrument as a baritone, They are gorgeous. A similar instrument I play is a King Euphonium. In my opinion, my favorite sounding brass instrument I have ever played!
You don't 'know' anything of the sort! A baritone horn is much larger, is in the key of B flat (not E flat) which is why it's called a BARITONE HORN, and not a tenor horn. And yes, I've played both baritone and tenor horns.
@@jackx4311 not much larger. 20% max maybe
Baritone horns look super similar but are a 5th lower!! These horns are never called baritone as far as I'm aware
Do you use reverb when you record this?
It sounds like it to me
Yes.
Went down an Ali Express rabbit hole after watching this and found some weird looking "travel tubas". Would love to know wtf.
If you look at Trent's channel and look up "Look at my baby tuba", he goes over what a travel tuba is, the idea behind its design, and his thoughts on its uses.
@@ethansiler1606 Shoulda known he's got a video already.
Can I have a link to this instrument so I can check it out?
Django Bates...
please resolve the last chord of your intro. thanks.😃
Wish he would send the link of where he bought it at for 300
As he continue to ignore my comment
@@bcuphunk - no; YOU are continuing to prove that you didn't listen to what he said as he explained WHY he hasn't posted a link!
why do i feel like that’s way to cheap for a brass instrument
It is cheap for a decent brass instrument
@@TrentHamilton yeah
And in my world I renamed it a pecker horn,because all it’s good for is pecking up beat rhythm music.
Then YOU, matey, are as ignorant as musical arrangers who only write 'um-chuck' parts for tenor horns. It's capable of a HELL of a lot more than that.
I really have a personal dislike of tiny instruments that are vaguely shaped like tubas. I don't have any issue with pitching a brass instrument in a tenor range, but there's not really a compelling or satisfactory reason why they make them tuba shaped and ultimately very awkward to play if you had to stand up. It makes it such that a cool instrument like this can really never be confidently and easily played in a jazz, funk, marching, or pop context. It limits the owner and player of these things to just brass band and concert repertoire. Self-limiting is silly I think. A more trumpet-shaped tenor horn would be awesome in so many places besides the stuffy concert hall. Same issue with baritones (which there are common trumpet wrapped versions of), euphoniums, alto horns, etc. Tuba really only makes sense to be wrapped like a tuba in sit-down concert settings. Many tubas have convertible lead pipes for holding over the shoulder, not to mention sousaphones and helicons which are easy to hold... for a tuba
First of all you're describing a whole family of instruments (saxhorns) that all originated at a similar time, including the tuba. The tuba is just the most widely recognised because it's commonly used by orchestras whereas the others, except occasionally the euphonium, aren't. It would be like bemoaning all string instruments for just being smaller versions of the double bass. You're also missing that most of these instruments have more tubing that trumpet-shaped instruments, which makes them heavier and larger. Holding an instrument of that size in the same position as a trumpet takes more energy, and restricts how long the instrument can actually be played for. Finally, it isn't the shape of the instrument that has shut these instruments out of popular music genres, it's the way these instruments have been used until now. Most of these instruments only ever appear in the setting of brass or military bands as part of a large ensemble. Typically no one encounters these instruments unless they go to a setting where they're already in use. Keyboard synths, drum-kits, double basses etc all have the similar physical restrictions on how they can be played, but they've all found places in genres like pop and jazz.
@@Ivytheherbert by the nature of a drum kit or a double bass they have to be the shape they are. A brass instrument can be wrapped a number of ways. Cornet vs trumpet for instance. If weight was a real issue why isn’t a bass trumpet wrapped like a sax horn? Why isn’t a valve trombone wrapped like a sax horn? Why do people carry around marching baritones and baritone bugles for hours? Shouldn’t they be wrapped like tiny sousaphones? Or carried on the shoulder like a marching tuba? My petite mother carried around a 2-key baritone bugle for 2 years in a drum corps and never once have I heard her talk about it being too heavy. She plays trombone now which is also a long unwieldy instrument of a similar weight. No complaints there either. And why is it possible for the tuba to have essentially 4 standard configurations of wrapping but other sax horns can only have one? Inconsistent. The logic doesn’t hold. perhaps a popular music horn section would sound really killer with trumpet, tenor horn, and baritone instead of tenor sax and baritone sax... but we may never know because very few people are going to stand on stage hugging a tiny tuba and play popular music.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom So the reason popular and jazz musicians have adopted drum kits and double basses but not tenor and baritone horns is because they looked at the horns and thought, "Well you're just being difficult, you didn't _have_ to choose that shape. I'm going to play this more awkward instument because at least it has to be the shape it is?" Bass trumpet are still only around 2kg, and most trombones are counter-weighted so that the player can comfortably hold them. This is part of the reason that they completely took over from slide trumpets. Your story about your mother is anecdotal evidence. It's not hard to find the opposite; people saying that it was actively unpleasant to play the marching versions of these instruments because of the weight. Again, there's a reason that even though these instruments do have shape variants more similar to trumpets, they are only ever used for marching bands. The tuba effectively has two shape configurations, there is not a major difference between a sousaphone and a helicon, and the over-the-shoulder contrabugle is really only different in terms of the mouthpiece receiver. In order to wrap an instrument around a human body like that a certain amount of tubing is needed. To do this comfortably for the performer and get a good sound the tuba is the only one large enough. Trent did a review of a mini-sousaphone from India in another video, and he was not complimentary of the results.
@@Ivytheherbert no, the reason they adopted drums is because you basically can’t have dance music without percussion. Been that way for thousands or maybe 10s of thousands of years. Jazz was originally dance music and most popular music traces back to early jazz in some way. Percussion is it’s own beast, can’t live with it and can’t live without it. And not every band has double bass. Some people do find it too cumbersome and opt for electric bass which is a different shape for the same register. Upright and console pianos exist because grands are awkward space hogs. Same instrument, different “wrap.” Sousaphones actually do make regular appearances in New Orleans style brass bands because they’re easier to hold. Concert tubas, not so much. That right there ought to show you that if a brass instrument is easier to carry, it makes it into popular music. Without sousaphones there’s no way tuba sounds become common in that music. Fluglehorn is relatively common in jazz for its mellower trumpet sound... but you think it would be if it was sax horn wrapped? I don’t. To go back to trombone, you’re right, it is better balanced... but the reason I think it’s really the most common tenor brass voice is that is can do the portamento effect. People love that. And it’s pretty common to see bass trombone and even contrabass trombone around... much more common than tenor horn. But, not every brass player wants to relearn how to play using a slide.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom So you're saying if they want drums they'll use them, regardless of the most common configuration? It sounds like if they wanted the sound of one of the "mini-tubas" in their ensemble they would use them regardless of the shape. Either it's the timbre of the instrument itself they're not interested in, in which case the shape is irrelevant, or they haven't considered the instrument at all, in which case the shape is also irrelevant. Yes, sousaphones are an exception to the rule that marching brass instruments are usually only used by marching bands, but what does that have to do with tenor horns, baritones and euphoniums? The marching versions of those are still limited to marching bands and haven't been used in popular music genres. The "mini-tuba" variants are still more comfortable to play, it's just awkward to march and play them at the same time which is the only reason the marching variants exist. Also it's not hard to find pictures of old New Orleans brass bands using the concert shape. Sousaphones replaced those designs, tubas and some smaller horns were already in use. Flugelhorns are small enough not to be wrapped up like a tuba and still be played comfortably. Your original comment was aimed at larger instruments than flugelhorns.