Saqib Hussain [II]: The Qur'an's Creation Story | Adam and Biblical History According to the Qur'an
In this interview, I have the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Saqib Hussain. Dr. Hussain is currently an assistant professor in the department of theology at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. He obtained his D.Phil. in Oriental Studies at the University of Oxford. His work focuses on the Qur'an generally as well as Wisdom as it is understood in the Qur'an along with its Biblical subtext.
Today we talk about the Qur'an's version of Biblical creation as well as the significance of one passage in the Qur'an in particular concerning this. We also discuss Adam in the Qur'an and the Muslim approach to interpreting Qur'anic material about an original human ancestor.
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Wonderful conversation. Thank you.
The Quran, in my opinion, is not only assuming knowledge of Christian and Jewish scripture and traditions, but also the scriptures and traditions of other religions. For example, the ancient Egyptians. An argument can be made that there are parts of speech in the Quran, in relation to the Pharoah, that make sense if you are aware of the ancient Egyptian scriptures and beliefs. An example of this that I heard someone make is the reference to the Book of the Dead where the death of the Pharoah is described as a major cosmological event, while the Quran assumes the knowledge of that part of the Book of the Dead and negates it by describing the death of the Pharoah as an insignificant event.
I love how Gabriel almost peer reviewed his paper live: "Your paper is 'novel' because you went back to the rabbinic literature ..." Could it be you were one of the reviewers?
Sir, how can i ask question professor Saqib Hossain? I want him to some questions.
hi. sheikh Akram Nadwi discussed this a long time before Saqib did. they were both in Oxford. I imagine he took this from sheikh Akram, and if so, it is really unfortunate that he doesnt credit him with it. Sheikh Akram also has videos up for instance on his tafseer series on the CIC website where he discusses this exact thing.
Very interesting video so far! I especially like the debate on the inconsistency of the Quranic Satan, what exactly is he? Very intriguing topic.
First of the fallen angel and their race (the jinn).
@@GaaraNous So, an angel or a Djinn?
He was not an angel , rather he was a believing Jin before committing disbelief . He was saved by the angels prior to creation of Adam . since God ordered the angels to punish the Jin on earth due to their corruption and disbelief on earth ( hint why the angels questioned God when he told them that He is creating a successor on earth ! They asked God ! Why would you creat on earth who shed blood and spread corruption? ) because they had a pre knowledge of the previous creation on earth with free choice. But because God knew deep down of his mighty knowledge that Satan was having the pride and that he will have resentment towards Adam ! That’s why then later when God created Adam and commanded every one to bow before Adam . All the Angel did ! Except for Satan who said ! How can I bow to him when you created him from clay while you created me from fire . . His arrogance made him feel superiority and the story goes on . Read the Quran you would know a lot more.
@@truthseeker4321 I’m Catholic - I’ve read the Quran twice, with two different translation - :)
Wow, that must make you an expert on Qur’an - that’s what you call hubris! !
Thought-provoking conversation. I think we must not see this as historical, but the story of human evolution in the past, present and future. I believe that Allah created man, and they were unguided by Allah and man was in a state of animalistic nature shading blood and causing corruption in the land. Remember the angels don't have the knowledge of the unseen, they were rather complaining to Allah what man's nature was at that time. But Allah wanted to cause man to be God conscious, hence, the creation of bashar (Modern man), whom Allah breathe Ruh in him and thought names (All kind of knowledge that human will possess until the end of time, including divine wisdom). When Adam informs the Angels of the names, The angels saw the potential of Adam to be good. The prostration of Angels is also alluding to genesis of Adam created in the image of God. The Godly forces in Adam (Angels) submitted to Adam or Adam submitted to his Godly nature after Allah taught him. Iblis (The Jin) was among this unseen forces (Angels) but he never knew the purpose of his creation, he thought he was an Angel. Iblis represents the Evil force in Adam which will continue to battle the Angelic forces in Adam.
i wonder what Saqib and Gabriel would think of Jeffrey Lang’s take on the episode of the angels’ initial negative reaction to the creation of Adam (AS)
From the syntax of the verses, God did not answer or address directly the angels objections. he did not say that human will not shed blood. it was just a vage note about his knowledge which exceeds that of the angels. that may indicate two things or maybe more .. could be that, he meant, shedding blood will be there, yes, but there is a larger plan knows and the angels don't that somehow tolerate or makes blood shedding inevitable, or there is something missing from the context of the verses.
These labels refer to the language-building tools. Allah taught Adam how to combine words into structured sentences, sparking profound ideas. His impressive sentences and ideas left the Angels amazed. People will generate both positive and negative words, sparking various ideologies in the mind. However, in the end, the positive ideology will prevail and transform the use of 'negative words' into a subject for teaching rather than one of control.
Hes from Jesuit secrt sovcety school loyola
Allah forgives ,givez Shaitan respite then he punishes him Adam repents but is punished What reoentance and forgoveness is this?
You are ashamed, because your book has been proven to be corrupted and cannot be traced back to jesus or moses ,whereas the quranic narrative have been proven to be from the prophet himself through chain of narration
@@udhinbakar9725that's a silly argument because without the bible we wouldn't have the Qur'an. Your book is based on a corrupt book. Additionally, the best we can say with the different Qurans is that MOST of it can be traced back to Uthman, not Muhammad. The evidence is overwhelmingly clear that the Qur'an is an invention using the plagiarized texts of jews, Christians and pagans
the Likeness of Jesus is that of Adam. So if you believe Jesus was miraculously born then so was Adam. It isnt that hard to consider
It really isn't
It's not though.... Adam had no mother or father as he is the first of his kind. He was made from clay and Allah blew on him to make him come to life, as the Legend goes. Jesus was born of a virgin and the only human to do so. It makes sense in the Christian paradigm, but when the Qurans authors plagiarized this story, Islamic mythology has put itself into a pickle. What is the significance to Jesus being born of a virgin and alive to this day in accordance with Islamic mythology?
@@thenun1846 “Jesus was born of a virgin and the only human to do so. It makes sense in the Christian paradigm.” What is the significance to Jesus being born of a virgin, whilst Jesus had brothers from the same mother to a different father, Joseph is called I don't remember, engaged to her before she was pregnant with Jesus? What gibberish of humanity's mythologies you going to concoct for as you are good at arguments, or quote one among many of Christianityʼs mythologies? According to “carefullychristian” whom you commented that “he's not wrong though...” to his comment: “Again some facts are not in the Qurʼaan but appear in the Ṣaḥiiḥ Ḥadiiṯ, that is: 1- Eve (Ḥawwaaʼ in the Aḥaadiiṯ) made from rib of Aadam, when made to sleep. 2-Names of Ḥawwaaʼ (Eve), Qaabiil (Cain), Haabiil (Abel). 3- Then mention the 3rd son Siiṯ (Seth). These were plagiarised.” All of these names (except Aadam and all the ones mentioned in the Qurʼaan) and their stories were plagiarised, in addition to the very concept of the Creation itself, the creation of Aadam, and that of Ḥawwaaʼ as the rib of Aadam were plagiarised, absolute opposite to the Qur’aanic creation! And how come that, like the virgin who bore other children other than Jesus, Aadam had not only had two named sons from the woman made, while putting to sleep, out of his rib / side (specific part of his body either way the same), but other ones too; again the whole story / stories are concoctions of plagiarism from within the environment in which were made, absolutely opposite to the Qur’aan (Does this whole earthy life appear to you Paradise, the Qur’aanic Jannat? Maybe more like Aḥaadiiṯi tales!) So, what Christianityʼs or Judaismʼs (from which Christianity is constructed and the surrounding dominant environment) mythologies will you bounce off, or since you are good at being argumentative what will you concoct? Maybe ask the interviewer and the interviewed if they directly are reading the Qur’aan, and if they can understand (their talk being the demonstrative) the basis of the entire Qurʼaan: the duality (read from the duality of Aadam, the Non-Physical Infinite Creator / the most physical Finite being = the Created Aadam, the creation / evolution; the most physical created human being as the earth itself is from which and on which he was as the only human and zero animal only plants, the Earth Jannat) or if they are, like the Aḥaadiiṯi narratives and the humanity as whole, imposing the claptrap they carry within themselves!
@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 I'm not a Christian bud. Just trying to understand the justifications of Muslims who plagiarized the exact same story into their book with no understanding of the significance of a virgin birth More specifically, in relation to the similarity of Adam as OP mentioned
@@thenun1846 BuT wHY aReNt yOu cOnSidErInG JeSuS WaS SpeCiaL. my comment was about evolution. I have nothing to say to you because it sounds like an emotional response instead of an intellectual one. Okay Jesus was born without a Father and Adam was born without Father and mother? being the first human is also special. All the 5 major prophets have something special about them. It would like the follower of Noah were to start arguing how come your prophets didnt have a major local or global flood?!!!?1 we literally restarted humanity?!!@
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW WHEN ONE IS TOO CAUTIOUS.
Why God ask angels to bowdown to Adam(as), Gabrial when people bowdown to Kings do they mean king is god ? No.1 difference in Quran and bible is that bible blam Amma Eve and curse all women while we bless our moms and put paradise under the feets of women. Gabrial i like you but if you are honest enough you will invite Dr. Ali atae for a discussion on Quran and bible.
😂😂😂😂😂 WOWWW HE TEACHES SHIIIIIIIIIERT UP AND DOWN,LEFT AND RIGHT.😂😂😂😂
Again some facts are not in Quran but appear in sahih hadith that is 1.Eve made from rib of Adam when made to sleep 2.Names of eve cain abel 3.Then mention of 3rd son seth. Theze were plaguerized
Again ,you interpretation is flawed Just because b comes after a ,doesn't mean that b comes FROM a Oops
@@udhinbakar9725he's not wrong though. The Quran is dependant on external sources as it's hopelessly unclear, repetitive and contradictory by itself
@@thenun1846The Quran is a magnificent book, undoubtedly sent down by Allah.
@@objektifadam9344 it really isn't. Its so obviously the product of the ignorance of the 7th century You're entitled to your personal opinion on your favourite fiction, I personally think that the Harry Potter series is written much better than the Quran
Error in genesis God says i will make man and he will have dominion over all creation so he is made a ruler. He is made in Gods likeness and image
perhaps the Professor could explain why there are no historical records of Mecca before the 7th century especially since it is being hailed as the mother of all settlements by the muslim community and their book.
You mean from the Arab sources
You mean from the Arab sources
The later Islamic sources exaggerated Mecca's size and importance. Simple solution, right?
HE GOT PHD IN SHIRT.😂😂😂😂 HAS HE READ THE ROLL PAPER QURAN?
Ex Hindu
@@sowhatujealous1254 WHAT ARE YOU NOW?
@@okko7988 Muslim
@@sowhatujealous1254 WOWWWW A SMART MUSLIM IS NO LONGER A MUSLIM. HAVE YOU READ QURAN? DO YOU KNOW MUHAMMAD AND HIS IMMORAL SEX AND BEHAVIORS? WOWEE HOW COUKD YOU BE A MUSLIM. FROM HINDU A PEACEFUL FALSE RELIGION TO A CULT OF MURDER, RAPE, INCEST AND PEDOPHILES. ARE YOU ONE?
Most unfortunate is muslims try to show quran is the correct version yet clearly 1.quran says it CONFIRMS what is in the HANDS of jews and xtians 2.IF YOU DOUBT any of the stories ASK THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK which book Which people
Sorry to break it to you, but there is no "correct version" the Muslims took it from Christians, Christians took it from Jews, Jews took it from the Bablonyains and back it goes to a guy worshiping a tree in the stone age. All man-made
You are just misinterpreting ,that verse read in context starts at chapter verse 90 ,referring to the episode of pharaoh and the Quran says to Mohammad to ask those who were reading their scripture about that specific event ,not to approve the bible
@@udhinbakar9725that's false and all the exegesis from islamic classical scholars refute you. I hope to see Muslims get better arguments one day
@@user-hh2is9kg9jwell said dude
OK, anyone who quotes William Lane Craig (at around the 15 min mark) is in trouble. The master of the word salad will not help you in a logical argument.
ad homenim fallacy if you have an issue with the actual argument, feel free to demonstrate why it has shortcomings
@@unhingedconnoisseur164 It went down a theological line rather than actual than actual historical method, so it is my fault for misunderstanding the premise of the discussion. If you like Bill Craig then great ,each to their own. I thought it interesting that Dr Reynolds described Dr Hussain's argument as novel at the 44.56 mark and I wonder if he meant unusual or unsupported.
@@dominichowles9092 i don’t really have any strong feelings about william lane craig tbh, although i wouldn’t say i’m a fan of his the impression i got from gabriel saying it was “novel” was just that it was sort of unique compared to other takes, although i don’t think he’d have meant that it was unsupported, given the evidence that Saqib gave
@@unhingedconnoisseur164 You are probably right that unsupported is too harsh although I have heard scholars use it in a pejorative sense. At around the 18 min mark when Dr Hussain asserts that when Paul is talking about Adam and original sin being an historical event I think we are in the land of theology here not history.
@@dominichowles9092 i really find it to be both theology and history as Saqib said just because i buy his argument that it’d be strange if he didnt mean it to be historically true too
Allah demands worship of him alone. Why ask angels to bow to adam Allahs creation. It contrsdicts quran It clear means Allah can order His creation to be worshipped Jezus is like Adam,same simultitude,if Allah ordered prostration then jesus can be prostrated to not as God but by order of God.why not?
Again ,you are just misrepresenting The angels were commanded by Allah to bow to Adam as a sign of respect, not to worship him Oops
@@udhinbakar9725so you are allowed to preform sujood as a sign of respect in Islam?
@@thenun1846 No that was abolished by islam Prior to the coming of the last prophet, the jews prostrated to those in authority, like master,head of family as a mark of paying homage and respect
@@udhinbakar9725 not sure what Jews have to do with this. I'm asking in relation to the angels prostrating to Adam. Obviously Islam is a man made religion but it's stories like these that really highlight the limitations of the authors. If Iblees prostrates to a creation or someone other than Allah he's committing shirk, if he doesn't then he's disobeying Allah. Its a paradox that wasn't quite thought through when the Quran was being invented
@@thenun1846 As said,ibliss was among the jinn,and when Allah said to them that he will send a vicegerent on earth,they replied why as they were already glorifying god and praising him,then Allah created adam with a will ,which made him above all other creatures and Allah informed Adam of all things which the angels didnt know The Angel's were commanded to prostrate ,as a command from god ,not to worship him. You missed that point That s why ibliss refused as he became arrogant, for being created with fire whereas man from clay Man made religion will advocate people to worship man just as in christianity, whereas islam teaches thr worship of the creator of man Big difference
How did the angels know something about human nature before creation ? and Allah plays dumb by not pursuing the issue with them instead he uses trickery and challenges them with the names they had no knowledge of. A very intriguing passage so contrary to genesis 2.
That’s how Muslims answered apologetic questions - Deviate and distract. Never attend the questions. 😅😅
Mohammad as a historical figure is still debatable.
Name five tenured historians that deny the existence of Muhammad.
gabriel as well as 99% if not all of his guests (who are mainly academically distinguished scholars) would most certainly disagree with you