Frost on the WINGS?! + Deadly Mountain Wave (Van Nuys Arrival)
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CORRECTION: at 17:10, I referenced US Highway 101 as the straight line between Burbank and Van Nuys - that isn't right! As someone brought to my attention in the comments below, that's an AMTRAK line. US 101 was correctly pointed out at 18:30. My bad!
Was about to offer this correction. And it’s extremely easy to confuse even well known landmarks around here. Even locals can’t always spot them correctly. Well done.
As a Burbank native who flies in BUR at least 3-4x month now, t's actually a combo of the Amtrak line and Van Owen St.
Thank you for the correction! I was so confused because the 101 is much further south. I even checked a map in case I was crazy. Google shows the train line there.
I thought that looked off! 🤣
Video Suggestion! Please do an aviation decision making video about weather flight planing. How would you weather plan as a newbie private pilot VFR and what safe limits would you place on yourself as compared with a more advanced private pilot VFR. And the same question for a newbie IFR pilot compared to more advanced IFR pilot. What personal limits do you suggest for these pilots and why, in the video. Weather briefing and planing is interesting for us from your perspective as an instructor. And safe decision making is interesting to us from your perspective. Thanks, would love to see it!
You and Chelsea seem so compatible and made for each other. I hope the best for both of you.
Laying a black trash bag over the frosted sections works wonders with solar heating, takes zero weight to keep one on board.
Van Nuys...That's where I learned to fly back in the early 80s.
As a Socal resident, what you highlighted in the video as "The 101" was not the 101 freeway, but the railway line used by Amtrak and Metro which crosses just North of VNY and just South of BUR as you indicated.
Yep! VNY is a few miles away from the 101
Ahh crap, you’re right! I see the 101 south of that on the map now. My bad, still found Van Nuys though! 😂
@@Aviation101 De nada. A small blemish on an excellent video. Although not a pilot, I have taken the train many times to and from Burbank airport and noted how close the train line runs to both Van Nuys and Burbank airport runways, as you pointed out to Chelsea. Some very crowded airspace you navigated there. Although the Amtrak and Metro trains both drop off at the Burbank airport, I seemed like one of the few in car-centric Socal who used it to get to/from BUR.
@@Aviation101 it happens, but this is still a great video.
@@Aviation101I will admit that was still a great use of a geographic landmark to help navigate. It is interesting to see it from the air vs the ground!
8:40 "I am awed by your greatness" 😆
9:38 Had me cracking up. So silly! 😂
You were one of my early inspirations into getting my ppl at 50! I love these adventures and recently purchased a Comanche for my son (also private pilot) and I to log our own adventures! I love that you a Chelsey are sharing these. “Making each other crack up” is actually a key to a wonderful relationship and has kept my wife and I laughing for 32 years! God bless you both! Thank you for continuing to bring us along.
Congratulations at obtaining your PPL at 50. What an awesome accomplishment!!!
We get frost on the wings all the time in the jet in above freezeing temperatures. The fuel in the wing tanks gets cold soaked at altitude and then when we land in the humid air, the water vapor condenses on the cold metal and subsequently freezes. This is a great example of what you said in the beginning about the adhering surface temp vs the ambient temperature.
Her cross-eyed question had me bustin up at/around 9:52.
Great video Josh! Way to keep it safe and still fun and educational! This video really hit close to home with me as I’ve taken risks I shouldn’t have and won’t in the future! I hope to be a safer aviator and your channel has played a large part in my view and flying practices! 😅 Cheers 🥂 -Caleb’s Aviation
I grew up looking up at Mt. San Jacinto from the 10 freeway. What an awesome perspective to see it out of a cockpit window. Great shots. 👍🏻
I just flew my 182 through the Banning pass from KDVT to KCMA and back over the past 2 weeks. Trip out through the pass was smooth as silk. Trip back was lower due to weather and ended up being pretty bumpy all along, but especially through the pass. No downdrafts like you experienced though. Also shout out to SoCal controllers. They are always super helpful and accommodating to us small guys.
Thanks again for a great episode. Have been a subscriber from central Texas for a Long time. Suggestion: Always use Both hands when checking control surfaces.
I used to fly into Burbank often, mostly from the North and knowing the proximity of Van Nuys was important. It disappears into the cityscape when viewed from a Northern arrival. Your graphic showing the train tracks is exactly what you need to look out for to avoid getting lost... Van Nuys also has one of the weirdest IAPs ever, the LDA-C. It uses a localizer off the Burbank ILS, with a MAP at the end of the perpendicular runway!
I fly in Colorado and mountain wave has been a fact of flying from the beginning. Looks like the desert was too dry for the rotor clouds that are often a sign. But on a recent flight review I was able to fly over Rollins pass (11,671'MSL) and get some mountain instruction as part of the review. Stunning views but very much a place for caution in a small airplane. Great layout of some of the many factors involved in flying near that kind of terrain. Highly recommend formal mountain training for anyone considering flying in that environment.
Just a thought: You could keep a spray bottle with TKS fluid in the plane. I have a Cirrus and I keep a bottle in the plane if there is a chance of frost, if staying on the ramp. It does a nice job of melting and getting the frost clear and it leave no residual on the wing once dried
Josh & Chelsea, you both are amazing! Your videos are inspiring each time. I looked forward to part 2 of this video and it did not disappoint. How you make time for flying & editing is a super impressive!!! Please don’t feel pressured to post videos on a regular bases, take care of yourself first and the people who watch these videos will support you though and through!
The metal gets colder than the ambient temperature because of loss of the “heat of vaporization” caused by the evaporation of water off the metal. This is the same phenomenon that cools your skin when you sweat. It takes a lot of energy to turn water into gas and that energy comes from the metal in the form of losing temperature.
Radiative heat losses to a clear dark night sky are typically more often the cause of the temp drop
I am a student pilot learning to fly in Southeast Alaska. It is easily the most beautiful flying scenery I’ve experienced with the mountainous islands, a volcano, inside passages, and ocean, but those same elements make intentional safety focused decision making even more important. I am also a glider student pilot, so I understand the incredible effects of terrain and winds. I have learned so much from your videos and this one was especially helpful. I’ve never found myself in severe downdrafts in a powered airplane, so thank you for sharing this. I have been taught the mountain flying techniques, so now that I have seen the importance of their application it helps solidify it even more. One thing we don’t do here is night cross-country flights. I had to go to Anchorage to get that done. I appreciate your safety focused explanations as always. If you come back to Alaska, I highly recommend Southeast if you haven’t already been here. It is worth the weather wait that may be required!
You need to video your flight training so those of us in the lower 48 can see what you do. Just a hint we’re jealous. When I fly in the Midwest, it’s looking down at ghetto when I fly into big airports, trees, corn, wheat, soybeans, hay, freeway. The variety is just mind-boggling.
Glad to see you guys back Josh
Welcome back, this was yet another great well-made episode! 😎👍🏼 I could tell many downdraft and rotor stories from the Alps. Some days are even not flyable due to "Föhn", which is sometimes hard to accept on fantastic clear sky days. Well done on the handling and searching for updrafts, which might sound obvious during (de)briefing, but when stress comes into the cockpit, it's easy to forget.
Your narrative gave me reason to pause and reflect...I have been in a mountain wave situation flying between KLGB and KIZA at night. Passing through San Marcos Pass in a constant 500fpm, sometimes 1000fpm, descent facing complete and total darkness out the windscreen was nerve-racking. I made it through as the mountain wave eased as I closed in on the pass. I did have a bailout plan (no Trevor Jacobs intentions here) to make a 90 degree turn to land at KSBA to wait out the winds. Glad to see you and Chels back! Sorry we didn't link up while you were here on the Central Coast.
Learn to fly wave from those that fly wave. Depending on where you are in the wave a 90 degree could firmly plant you in the deepest tough of the wave.
Hi from SNA ! Careful in them valleys! Plane English should be incorporated into MSFS!
Great Josh and Chelsea! It was a very informative flight!
Wonderful instruction in this video. As a student pilot I am very thankful. Including the radio interaction.
Great seeing you both again.
Haven't been mountain flying yet but I have had similar experience in flat country. Flying along and encountering clear weather convection activity that exceeded the performance of my aircraft. One minute, you're at full throttle and still descending; the next minute, you're at idle and yellow line and still climbing. Just along for the ride.
Thank you very much; great job and safe travels!
What an amazing scenery and astonishing video quality. Thanks for showing this aviation adventure!
Excellent film and great teaching moments. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks Josh and Chelsea.
Heck yeah!! Amazing work Mike and crew! And extremely well planned and redundant saftey plans. This is the kind of examples we need set in aviation. Plan plan plan and never be afraid to say no and back out. Back to work! 👊
Oh the Banning Pass. Great memories from my long XC for my PP back in the early 90s! Home airport was TOA.
Glad to see a new post ❤ Looking forward to watching it on my free time 💯
Good flying Josh
Thanks for another great video Josh! Thank you for explaining everything so well. Always love flying with y'all!
Good to see you guys back with another video.
the handbooks were my primary source along with the FAR AIM when building all my lesson plans for my CFI checkride, which I was able to pass first try this week. Tons of great knowledge is in them that really add context to a lot of random bits of info previously learned.
Thank you for another great show.
Thanks for sharing your passion with all of us other aviation geeks/and or pilots out there; your videos are very informative and entertaining, thanks.
Awesomely made video as always!
Excellent video Josh! And love the tip about motion sickness. Just started my training recently.
So glad to have you back Josh! 🔥🔥🔥
Another great video. I’m currently working on getting my CFI/CFII reinstated. These videos always teach me something, while also just being fun to watch. Thanks.
Great content. Look forward to the next one.
Fabulous video thanks
Very good to see you and Chels. Very good job talking about Mountain Wave . Very important for people to realize what the hills and mountains can do to the wind. Very good job with this discussion. Keep up the good work and looking forward to the next one. Take care and Be safe.
Great job guys. When is Chelsea going to get her tailwheel endorsement. Come on Josh throw the bush flying guys a bit of back country adventure !!
At last! 🙂So happy to see the second half of this trip! Looking forward to the follow-on vids. Keep up the great work you two.
I really enjoyed the video! Took me back to my SoCal flying days out of KPSP through the banning pass into KRAL, KONT, and KSBA. A great place to build your flying, navigating, and ATC communication skills. And we only had paper charts back then along with analog instruments. Aviation has come along way! Fly safe!
Banning pass can be crazy or you can fly through there without even a bump. You never know exactly what you're gonna get. It can surprise you. Great video as usual. See you at Oshkosh. Your Big Bear friend.
Great video as always !
Great to see a video, Josh. I love them. My son-law just finished his instrument and commercial, and is working on his CFI to build hours for Horizon. He is also a big fan.
Such a stunning and challenging flight, great job on the landing Chelsea👍
Excellent landing, thank you
Glad you are back.
Great video Josh and Chelsea. I love flying in/out of VNY
Great video and when you crossed the moutains my heart moved up into my throat! Glad you were ok. Looking forward to next series
And..... Where y'all been ??? We have missed you both.... Damn Glad to have y'all back ...
Brilliant as always 😎
I have had the same experience through the Banning pass. Caught an unbelievable downdraft full throttle airspeed at best rate of climb and losing altitude, followed by an extreme updraft with throttle chopped yoke pushed into the panel gaining altitude. Was quite a humbling/learning moment.
Great video! Every time I watch your videos I almost feel like I'm in the aircraft too. Thank you for the inspiration.
Great content loved it thanks 😊
Cant wait for the next video, great stuff
Great video!
The best aviation videos on the inter web and getting better each year. Josh you will always be Mr. Aviation101 to me. Great Work good lesson as always. 👍
The amount of hazardous weather detail you delve into is phenomenal! While I am certain other KZhead aviators expand on weather hazards when pertinent, you go beyond the cursory explanations and dive into atmospheric physics in a very relatable fashion. I recall my days as a USAF weather forecaster having to mark up weather hazards in red (typically frowned upon) on formal flight briefings simply because too many junior pilots assumed they had "god-status, and they scared the 💩out me!" Well done; keep up the great work!
Do not take his advice on wave flying though
You just about flew right over my house at South Mountain. If you guys are back in the Phoenix always give us a call and stay with us. We can even put you in the hangar and do some 337 stuff too. AZ90 is the spot. Herb
Great video as always 👍! Nice to see you in my backyard of So Cal. We split time between CA & TX.
Enjoy seeing a new video! Fly safe
Nice flight...
Wow, what a beautiful and interesting video. Thank you :)
Thanks. Blue skies, tailwinds...
Love Chelsea and your flight video adventures. They look like so much fun. I wish I could live that I’m so envious.😊
Fascinating.
Any time I flew out to the Desert area I always went around the banning pass, just kept going straight over Palmdale over the pas there into Santa Clarita then Santa Susana pass is almost a strait in to KVNY always called the tower at the pass.
I really ya'll's adventures and I'm looking forward to the rest.
I love what you are doing and keep up the great work also we all understand your busy you some how pull it off.
Awesome awesome video.
Very cool content. Really been missing y’all 😂
Getting ready to XC from Camarillo to Dallas in my 182. Great video, I think I am going to depart a few days early to beat the incoming weather. Great video
Great footage, impressive mountain wave effects. So where can we see that references film One Six Right? Any link to share?
Love your videos
Josh, your videos are amazing. I mean I do some videos and know how much time it take to edit this type of content. Keep up the good work, we all enjoy it. Btw if you’re looking for somewhere to go for the eclipse, Discover Aviation and MRK Aviation at LPR will be having and event that day which is directing in the path. Stay safe !
I LEARNED QUITE A BIT IN THIS VIDEO. THANK YOU!
I had a mountain wave encounter that was pushing me up! Wason IFR clearance so asked for a block clearance. 9° nose down, throttle pulled back and still clinbing at a thousand fpm. Thankfully clear air until we crossed Snoqualmie pass to enter the clouds over Western Washington.
Pranked at 9:40 … that was awesome
We used to fly our Cessna 182 between Great Falls Montana and Portland OR. The Mullan Pass over The Montana Rockies near Idaho was always a problem. The winds were terrible and the weather was sometimes horrifying. One time during the winter we were traveling from Portland to Great Falls and due to potential icing we were not able to fly IFR over the pass and had to leave the plane in Spokane and drive to Great Falls. We went back for the plane later. It's just sometimes not possible to get above the weather in a plane with a 17,000 foot service ceiling. Even in good weather I don't fly through mountain passes unless I'm going to land or I'm taking off. I always try to fly at least 2000 feet above the ridges and cross them at an angle. When back country flying in Idaho I simply don't go if the wind is greater than 12 knots. And I don't fly over the mountains even at 2000 feet above the highest peaks if the wind is greater than 25 knots. We moved to South Carolina a couple of years ago and though the Smokey Mountains are much lower there is still a lot of wind that comes over the mountains into the upstate. The same rules apply here. Just today I flew back to the Greenville area from a work assignment on the the South Carolina coast. The flight was smooth until I got to the upstate near the lee side of the Smokies and I got knocked around quite a bit. Mountains, even small ones, do very scary things with wind, sometimes even a fair distance from the foothills. Great falls is very windy, my mother in law almost blew away there, and it's 50 miles East of the mountains. Oh and I don't fly IMC at night over mountains.
Got my PPL with last landing of Checkride on 22R at CHD - Good days - great Cafe when I was there!
Been through the pass in a C150 multiple times it’s quite exciting to say the least!
N80283 was the first plane I ever flew 😊 2:08
Ive always wondered if in situations where we cant climb do to downdrafts if maybe we should take a page from the glider flying handbook and put the nose down to speed up and accelerate out of the area of sink. You do lose altitude, but also get the heck out of there much sooner.
Great atc guy
My wife has the exact same pair of Fying Eyes Chelsea is wearing. They work as advertised.
Yes, mountain 101 (sorry about that), if pulling back on the yoke does not result in the climb we desire push on the yoke. Not only don't stall, but also go faster through the down air. And yes, down drainage egress is the solution to not able to climb over terrain ahead. Your choice of the mountain downwind of the pass gave you orographic lift and good wind management should a turn back to the clearly visible white sand bottom of the drainage back east. The turn into the wind from the left side of the pass gives much slower ground speed and reduces radius of turn back. Plenty of room here, but in passes with much less horizontal space available radius of turn can be critical. The energy management turn, the 1 g turn regardless of bank angle, dynamic neutral stability, Wolfgang's law of the roller coaster, is really useful in tight terrain situations. Simply by allowing the nose to go down naturally, as designed, no load factor from turning is applied.
I follow rule of 3 threats. Single engine is always a threat 1, so 2 more like night and IMC or Night and terrain is a no go.
I had the exact same issue flying through Banning Pass a couple of years ago flying back to VNY. Scary stuff..! Flew it again recently this winter without a single bump. In the future, when the desert is much hotter than the LA area (which causes that venturi effect), I think I will plan to fly north of Big Bear instead!
I remember the first time I encountered those mountain waves.. Moved to Scottsdale two years ago and got thrown right into mountain flying 😅 Man oh man was that the longest flight I’ve ever had.. near Edwards on the Leeward side of the Sierra Nevada, had that same loss of airspeed and ended up losing around 1200 feet. A flight I’ll never forget
Flight following was a vibe
My worst experience with mountain wave or downdraught was while landing on Flinders Island in Tasmania. I was on crosswind leg and suddenly pushed down from 1000 feet to about 350 in a second or two. I knew I had to get out of there immediately. Luckily it’s all on video 😅