New Chinese Electric Cars: Do They Suck?
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American's tactics: "If you can't compete, demonize it!"
And then sanction it
Or the Chinese way. Take advantage of western open markets and trade to grow your exconomy, while stabbing them in the back with subsidized industries and closed markets.
Yes, that's what they did to Huawei tiktok
@@calcifer3656 China de facto closed their markets for years for many western business. It’s only in recent years that western countries have stopped acting completely naive.
Chinese tactics, "If you can't compete, copy it".
Atto 3 owner/driver here. Driven over 6 months now. Still brings a BIG SMILE to me every time I drive it. Own a Mercedes C300( 2018). Atto 3 Quality and Comfort is equivalent to the Mercedes. But at 50%the price . Maintenance cost is almost ... ZERO . First Service was .... FREE. Some of my friends driving the Atto 3 for 1 year told me they Paid US$ 40 to replace the wipers at the first year service.. That is all.
As a merc owner ( w211 ) the GWM ora ( and atto 3 ) are lovely :D
Owner of an ATTO3 for 1 month now. Love the car overall. They even take great care that the owner’s manual is written in good English. I love the voice assistance in the car. The lady’s voice is so friendly and helpful that she makes every moment in the car such a wonderful experience. I love to hear her say “Ok, the temperature is decreased by…” “All right, ….” “i am still here” “I am still listening” Lovely.
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@@hanmeng4833Car wife.
My friend got a NIO and I drove it couple times, honestly, simply love it so much, the built quality is excellent.
Where in usa.
be warned: the company is financially struggling due to 5 years in a row with big losses year by year and on top demand in china had dropped by over 30% cause prices are higher than tesla. big issue, big troubles and the introduction in germany went terribly bad.
@@typxxilpsGarbage talk.. NIO just almost doubled deliveries month over month.. Germany is in a recession because no more cheap gas from Russia.. Forced to buy US gas at 4x-6x the cost of the cheap Russian gas before it.. Thanks USA.. ⚠️
@@typxxilps NIO is a much more premium car than tesla, they are stealing sales from BMW, AUDI, Benz.. NIO's cheaper sub brands coming out soon will compete with Tesla more directly, and outsell them by far IMO. Dont worry about the losses, if you understand virtual power plants and the revenue that is going to come from swap stations regulating the grid it is well worth the initial costs.
BUT SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER NUMBER ONE🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗
Used to be suck, but not anymore, BYD make 8000 cars a day now. Owned the atto3 for 5 month, done 8000Kms, absolutely love it, quiet, smooth, comfort, safe and smart. Best car ever bought with really good build quality. Ordered a dolphin sport limited edition for my wife, the coolest hatchback ever.
Did you crash it? If not, how do you know how safe it is? There may be some good products out there but you won't know that after 5 months. These are all new so still hold the novelty value for most users, but it may be 5 years perhaps before you really know if they stand the test of time. I could be wrong but I think that a lot of these are going to be cheap cars made for a throwaway society, not built to last.
@@severnsea From the Chinese road rescue team data if you can read Chinese, China has the most percentage of EVs in the world. BYD taxi can do 500000kms without any issue, so what do you think? Need refresh knowledge and not follow the MSM.
@@tonywei423 What does having the most of anything got to do with it? China has the most of a lot of products, almost everything on ebay comes from China but a lot of it is garbage. If your car is still on the road in 15-20 years come back and tell us about it, only then will we know if they are any good or not. You are not going to have a problem with ANY car after 5 months.
@@severnsea Well, that shows your hostile attitude. good luck.
@@tonywei423 There's nothing hostile about it, I've bought plenty of stuff that has come from China, even stuff that appears to be very good to begin with but it does not last. It's a simple fact. As the guy said, let's see how reliable they are in 10 years time, then you can say they are as good as you claim they are.
I've bought three traditional petrol burning cars starting from ford, audi a4, mecerdezs e 300, and recenly switched to Nio es6 (which is a luxury ev brand in China.)I can tell you that it is a car that outcompete the majority cars that we know about. and I will NEVER switch back to traditional cars. it's got a long range battery, head display, solid and great chassie, and sheer driving pleasure. the maintenance fees and running cost is astonishingly LOW
One of my neighbours recently bought ES6 (sold his petrol vehicle) and the exterior looks pretty cool. But anyhow, I believe I won't change my 2020 Audi S4 in the coming 8 or more years to some EV car, if I will own only 1 car.
Totally agree with u,I had my first EV is XPENG,make me drop my engine car away for months.
Come back in 10 years and tell us how good it was.
@@-A-lm5xbyou keep mentioning the 10 year shit. I can tell you there are tons of ev taxis in Beijing running 10+ years. Now even Elon Musk changed his view on Chinese EV
@@-A-lm5xbI doubt if you are still with your wife in 10 days time. In the mean just enjoy the moment.
Tesla Model 3/Y made in china have better built quality than Fremont made. At least in Canada this is the case.
Australian delivered teslas from China are better built too.
Teslas made outside of California seem to have better build quality than the Fremont made ones.
Your comment does NOT fit the requirements: you have to bash anything made in China... 24/7
Are you an engineer? do you know who designed it? TESLA so what china anything has to do here other than assembly?
@@tr1144 no they Manufacture in china you numbhead
Time has changed. China built most of the world EVs and they are excellent quality.
lmao sure
Yeah well let's face it, you're not going to admit they're crap are you.
No they're not, they're garbage. Even in China they can't sell them, most buyers prefer other brands. Last year BYD targeted 3 million sales and didn't even make 400,000 half way through the year. It's all just a mirage, a glossy brochure to make people think they're selling well. Most people have seen the videos of thousands of unsold cars lying around in fields and in Europe many buyers are complaining that the range is nowhere near what was promised by BYD. Half their net profit was from government subsidies.
@@rickyjassal4488 cope harder
@@severnsea tanky copium
I wouldn't say they suck. It's just the overall American perception of anything China. There's a lot of bias, bigotry, and prejudices against them. Nevermind that half the things people have in their homes are made in China. However, there are over 100 different Chinese EV brands, so statistically there will be a lot of crappy ones. The big named ones that you hear more about are definitely the better ones and are more on par with other well known world brands.
Americans still live in the 1990s the world has moved on.
Same thing happens in Canada, it's honestly just annoying to me
@@rs-dp6pr Commie
@@bob-qi4nr Proving their point.
there are only a few chinese BRANDS that america think highly of such as DJI and maybe Lenovo.
This must be an eye opener for the Americans.
Nahh... most of them are blinded by their biases n hatreds for anything Chinese.
@@teohck7630 Unlikely to see Chinese EV imports into the USA.
They didn't drive it. That's what matters. Drive it and watch it fall apart. The lifetime is 1/2 that of a Tesla and comes with 18x more manufacturing problems. Their pricing strategy is crazy too because they won't be able to drive others out of business and then jack their prices to recoup their losses. Obviously a communist nation cannot understand how capitalism works.
Omg....they r full of prejudice in their opinions. They seems ready for all the bashing on China products, but the actual quality and design left them speechless. They could even suspect money laundering scheme with Geely, Volvo and polestar. How ignorant and insulting.
No, it's simply based on their track record. Expecting us to trust them given that track record is insulting.
@@severnseawhat track record typical American never know what they talking about
@@severnseait's just all the properganda speech by our politicians and the news media that created the negative report. It has been installed in our head for the last 100+ years since the anti Chinese act by the railroad workers. It just self fear of what we can't accomplish and seeing how they "evil China" can do when the government and private company work together to bring products that service the public interest.
@@severnsea你是职业黑子
They were joking. Relax. It's a cultural thing. They didn't mean any insult.
One thing to highlight about NIO is that they could swap batteries in 5 mins!
Tesla made all their vehicles designed for the option/potential to use swappable/replaceable batteries in all their cars up until the mid 2015s when they got rid of that engineering/design/feature completely. Battery tech has made dramatic increases in tech over the past 1-2 decades... so there's very little utility or benefit (for the added costs) for the average user for such features when their EVs have 500k mile battery packs with 80% charge capacity and quick charge options that give them 50%+ quick charge in 15 minutes. And that doesn't even take into account the logistical and materiel issues associated with creation of battery pack "gas stations" for swapping packs... which will cost multiple millions per station (and that assumes the raw material shortage situation gets solved) and take years for permitting and training as opposed to just cheaply made "super charger" stalls made of plastic and metal stands on an alphalt/concrete lot. That said, I've always had a fantasy for battery pack swapping myself and I love the design/look of NIOs cars, so I hope they can make it. Remember, there's a reason why the industry leading company and original innovator in EVs (Tesla) abandoned the concept close to a decade ago.
Fully nonsense. Tesla's reason to not use swapping tech is not what you think. The reason was that there was only few stations and only very few of Tesla cars that support that battery swapping. Also at that time Tesla offering free of charge charging for supercharging stations and swapping cost. The second thing Tesla cars battery wont last 500 000 miles. That is pure nonsense. If current Tesla battery tech will last at that high mileage they could offer warranty for 500 000 miles or at least 300 000 miles for the battery. It is pure nonsense to say 100% sure that it will last so long without any problems. Also EV-cars must last at least 15-20 years so the battery must last also at that time without heavy degradations.
@@user-xp5id1kh4r You need to know that China is very different from the US in terms of car use, road conditions, city planning, life styles, etc... Also Tesla's experiment almost 10 years ago may make little sense to China's market. NIO already built 1700+ swap stations across mainland China. They must have done that for a fair reason.
The problem is that 1700+ swap stations isn't even remotely close enough... I'd argue its barely enough for the amount of NIOs currently on the road all across in China. And at ~$1million+ a pop, that's close to $2billion dollars just for the chargers they already got... they need at least 10x that for a network of battery swaps to really give meaningful utility. In fact, it's probably more like 100x if we're talking about the near future if they're to replace ice vehicles. For that reason alone along with projected tech performances... almost every new electric vehicle maker is their vehicles with primary charging at home, with ability to handle high voltage super charging in large metros for workers and across major transport routes/highways to allow for long distance trips. That said, I really hope they find that NIO's swap station business model profitable, because I really want those/them to take off everywhere across the world. However, based off economics and business, I highly doubt that.@@Bruce_Li
Nio,My dream car!
Had the chance to drive quite a number of Chinese made electric cars, interior build quality and tech features are far superior than that to American and European vehicles be it electric or combustion engines.
It hurts my ego badly as an American.
Yeah, those seats and plastic looked "far superior"! 😅😅😅
Superior? 🤣🤣🤣 You must have very low standards, that's all I can say. You won't know how the build quality holds up until they have been around for several years. I bet you don't see any of them driving around in 20 years' time like you see older ICE cars now.
@@severnsea3924 You pay for what you get, and you get what you pay for.
I went to China 2 months ago. The taxis there are all electric. Like to take different taxis, all made in China. There are many cars that can be compared to Mercedes-Benz.
Which car can be compared to Benz😂? As a Chinese I really wanna know, please tell me
@@laterwell Well in term of electric car, Mercedes-benz is consider a trash brand when comparing to other chinese ev in China
@@nagi-springfield93 Even considering electric vehicles, most of the EV brands in China are trashes
@@laterwell U surely sound chinese to me. 酸梅就别充当国人了🤡
我就是墙国人啊，所以我才知道中国汽车都是垃圾 @@nagi-springfield93
There's a difference between Chinese designed-branded and made cars vs. Chinese made cars. There are Western makes like Buick, Cadillac, Volvo, Lotus, Toyota, etc. that are sometimes Chinese made but aren't Chinese designed (though some have Chinese supplied platforms). Then there are the home-grown Chinese cars like NIO, BYD, XPeng and others that are Chinese bands. At any rate, yes, Chinese can build cars as good or better than in some Western countries and can build their own branded cars as world-class cars as well. Also, there are Western companies that are aiding the Chinese designs/engineering/chassis tuning. The Ora Cat cars are designed by an ex-Porsche designer. The Geely SEA platform's chief engineer is Swedish and some Geely China brands like Geely Auto and Geometry's engineering is coming out of Volvo and Polestar and CEVT based in Sweden. Porsche engineers helped design and tune the Xpeng 7's suspension. BYD has a joint venture with Toyota and while Toyota gains from BYD's expertise in BEV design, there are a lot of things BYD can learn from the biggest automaker on the planet. So, it's not as cut and dry as Chinese brand equals fully Chinese engineering or Western brand having no Chinese engineering when a lot of Western brands are using Chinese batteries, sometimes motors, semiconductor chips, and some collaborate with Chinese companies. Audi is looking to buy a platform from a Chinese company and Mercedes uses Geely's SEA for the Smart #1.
You are really an expert on cars!
It's smart that the Chinese auto makers are using talented people from around the world to build high quality cars. This is the benefit of globalization, something America is going against now....
吉利那几款欧洲人设计的。都卖的不好 丑疯了 就像大众 奥迪 宝马 奔驰设计不出好的电动汽车。欧洲已经落伍了
True to a point, but don't lose sight of the main reason for it all - it's far cheaper to get something built in China than it is just about anywhere else. It's not because they do it any better.
@@severnsea Not necessarily. Maybe costs less to make something in Indonesia and it'll certainly cost less to start making things in Rwanda, Ethiopia, Kenya, etc. I'm already seeing phones made in those countries and certainly clothing. It's just a matter of time before China is no longer cheaper to manufacture products than other places. There was a time when Made in Korea or Taiwan meant cheaper and that's no longer the case. China currently can make products well and they've figured out how to make good quality efficiently. I see them doing this in the piano industry with companies like Hailun.
I deliver and collect cars in the UK and I can say the Funky Cat drives well, its comfortable even on poor roads and quiet on the motorways, very minimal wind and road noise. The handling is not as sharp but as a family car its a good option. The boot is on the small side, the lady in the dash can nag you and the Edition One battery size will be on the small side for some. I'm not an SUV fan but the BYD ATTO3 is a great package, nicely put together and a genuine range of 260 miles. The handling is good and it rides very flat even on tight bends. Again wind noise and road noise are noticeable by their absence even at 70mph. By comparison, noticeably better than a Q7. Oh and a quick correction on Smart: Smart is 50% owned by Geely now.
The question for me is how they will hold up in 10-15 years' time. Having said that I don't think a lot of them will be around that long anyway. Only time will tell, but I think we're getting a bit carried away with products that have only just appeared on the market. There are many cars (and other products) traditionally that were highly rated to begin with but didn't age well. Don't most EVs stay flat in bends because of the additional weight?
BUT SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER NUMBER ONE🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
If you're not onto SUVs, there're MG 4 and BYD Dolphin. However I recommend MG 4 cause the Dolphin's seating position is similar to SUVs ie. still have higher centre of gravity (but not so high) compared to MG 4. All MG 4s have the same rear independent multi-link suspension but BYD Dolphin, you'll need to go for the top model to have that kind of suspension. All in all, Chinese cars are really good. So good that they should NOT be overlooked. Who ever does will regret that.
@@t8polestarcyan22 You need to come back in 10-15 years' time and see how many are still on the road, then and only then will you be able to say how good they are. One thing nobody has considered is the display screens. Tesla owners often report screen failures and on phones, laptops, tablets and so on they're usually one of the first things to fail. So that's probably going to be an expensive repair bill a lot of people will face in the future, and I'll guarantee that most of them are built by the same Chinese manufacturers who churn out the cheap crappy tablets that you see on ebay and Aliexpress. And I bet they charge a small fortune to replace them. There may not be many moving parts on an EV but what there is instead all costs a lot of money to replace.
@@severnsea Who can say for certain. A lot of these brands are new to market, and offer crazy options to attract buyers. BYD, however, is the real deal. They started with buses and taxis like the e6. The first gen e6 had a fair share of issues, but Shenzhen is full of these taxis running around with nearly 500k km on odometer. They released the 2nd gen not long ago, and there is a marked improvement over gen 1. As BYD now takes the next step towards performance and luxury segments, whether the cars will hold up is a fair question.
Funky Cat is designed by ex Porsche designer and got elements from some Porsche models, like the light,lines on hood and side.
Maybe they will make a 2 door version. As long as it has 250 range, that's perfectly acceptable.
@@stevelouie5928 There Are several models already non 2doors yet
Yes. Their interiors almost look English influenced, however. Exterior, very Porsche influenced.
China's high-speed rail has also copied America's high-speed rail. 😊😂😂😂
@@user-xw6lq7yt7l Noting beats copying a alp village from Austria
The company is HUMAN HORIZONS the brand is HiPhi. China is now the world number 1 automobile exporter China is world number 1 in EVs.
Smart is owned to 50% by Geely which also has 10% in Mercedes-Benz. Geely owns Volvo and it's former performance company Polestar and also Lotus, London Taxi, 50% of Smart and some other brands like Lynk & Co. The Ora Funky Cat is the base of the next Mini EV and that will be build at Great Wall Motors.
Is that the same great wall that makes ATX power supplies?
@@tarfeef101 no,different
Smart is owned 50/50 by Mercedes and Geely. Volvo is wholly owned by Geely, but is run entirely as a separate brand (not all Geely brands are).
It’s Proton you referred I reckon.
From the NIO ET5 there is also a station wagon coming. Called the ET5 Touring 😊 And you can choose if you want to buy or rent the battery. If you rent it, you can use a batrery change station. It will took 5 minutes and you have a 80% charged battery. Also they have just anounced that they will bring a 150 kw/h battery. And for example if you had the rent model for battery, you can change from 75, or 100 kw/h battery to the 150 kw/h battery. The battery is starting to hit the chinese market soon in their SUV. I believe it is called ES 6/ EL 6 (?) Depends on the market.
Takes about 20 minutes in the couple of videos I've seen, and you're going to need an awful lot of swap stations for it to work. What are the wating times going to be like when everybody is forced into EVs?
@@severnsea Depends on the Infrastructure. I think not all NIO owners will rent the battery. So for them it is not possible to use a swap station and the need a regular E-Station. Owner of houses should also plug in their cars at home to load thanks to a wallbox.. Some car makers make contracts with Tesla to use ther charging systems. And when more and more charging parks and station are founded, their will be enough spaces to charge. Importeur is, that they will get enough energy. The best would be green (environmental friendly) energy 😊 And catl is working on a battery which needs ten minutes to charge for 400 kilometres and the battery do not beed rare earth materials.. Like lithium battaries.
@@stefanwiechmann4808 But that's the point, the infrastructure would have to be huge for it to work, you would need several battery swap centres in every town. On the other hand, if there are enough chargers to go around there's no point in the battery swap. No point discussing what tech may be coming, there is all sorts of research going on at the moment but it has to be safe and reliable to work, and fast charging has it's problems. I think the thing catl are currently working on includes lithium. We're not likely to see anything else for many years. The other problem is all this tech changing every 5 minutes is going to be a problem for those with older cars, they will be obsolete in no time at this rate. The whole point is supposed to be because they're better for the environment, but they're not going to be if they're going to be obsolete in 10 years' time or so, and manufacturers won't maintain or provide spares for something they didn't sell very many of.
@@stefanwiechmann4808 agreed, and actually I think in the west, people can easily have their own charging stand. Just put it beside the garage\front yard\or even just buy a 20meter long wire connect from your house plug. People in China don't have that much options, most of the living complex don't provide enough\stable parking spot.
@@Nomad-Poker Yeah, I saw that in videos about China. So it is good that they have the orption of changing and charging stations 🤗
I am sooooo glad that Tommy and Alex teamed up over in England for these 'TFL/ABG' videos. Two great reviewers see so much and they make great content! - I have seen a few of these vehicles as I do watch some English auto content . . . nice to see them from the perspective of Americans; I have seen a few videos on the MG and the Funky Cat.
Indeed the Alex / TFL collaboration is something that needs to happen more often!
Ha ha ha you guys are just getting to know this!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Maybe not Alex from Auto, but the guy from TFL doesn't have a clue. Some things are cheap and chintzey, but some things are not. Many of the Chinese car manufacturers have had/and are still in joint ventures with the major car manufacturers in the USA and in Europe Get ready the THE CHINESE CAR MANUFACTURERS ARE COMING!! AND THEIR NOT PLAYING!!!
@@adriancooper78 Not sure why that would excite you so much, but the only reason for the collaborations is because it costs a fraction of the price to have your goods built in China.
@@severnsea tbh nice try both of u
@@stan6477 Nobody's "trying" anything, the only reason for the collaborations is because it costs a fraction of the price to have your goods built in China. Repeated since you seem to have missed it the first time, unless you have another reason or anything else relevant to the conversation to say.
Great collaboration guys! Very interesting content.
If you really want to review Chinese EVs and Chinese cars in general then come to China. Do they suck? absolutely not. Build quality is far better than Tesla for many models. we have a Model 3 and and Xpeng G3 and for my money the Xpeng is better built and better value. But if you look at all the new models then you have so many really cool EVs and many great value ones. you also have PHEVs like the Li L7-9 that are all great choices and would probably do real well in the US (the bigger NIOs would probably do well as well) and great value models from BYD or Aion. Far more variety than you can imagine... starting at very low prices with cars like the Wuling Mini. and also Geely has really revived the lineup of some brands from Volvo to Smart with the #1 and #3. as for the privacy, well if you are not worried with what Tesla or others are doing with your data, then there is no difference.... And you definitely have brands like Voyah or even the iconic Hongqi - Redflag that have really interesting models. so do they suck? nope.... in fact, many wealthier car buyers in China now buy Chinese brand EVs when even 2 years ago, they would only buy BMW, Audi or Benz or Tesla... Anyway, the likelihood is that these brands will mostly focus on the European, Asian and Australian market for their international development... too bad for US consumers who are stuck with only expensive options
Chinese manufacturers are late in the internal combustion game, but EV is a clean slate for everyone to innovate.
EV has great future in China. Not so sure if other countries can do the same.
我们中国人称之为 换道超车
Cool to see so many unique cars, the US market needs some more EVs
The Us market needs more basic Evs. Affordable Electric Pickups and Vans are almost nonexistent in the states. The Chinese could rule that market.
Yep the Chinese are going to take the UAW's lunch money for sure unless they kick their lobbyists in high gear to put tariffs in place.
US: it’s national security concern.
@@anydaynow01 tariffs won't work. The Chinese think in 20 to 30 years not one political term. They will build factories in Mexico Canada and the Us. When Chinese engineered electric pick ups built in Mexico hit the us market at 30k. They will create their own market with zero competition.
Chinese think 20 to 30 years ahead? Kinda like how they funneled 100s of billions or even trillions into their bloated real estate industry (amassing as much as 1/3 of the entire economy) filled with not just ghost buildings, but entire ghost cities even... and created policy and law that constantly incentivized the rapid creation of properties that squirreled (and soon to squandered) the majority of the country's individual wealth into crumbling tofu dregs that will devastate the people and the country by the end of the decade. Smh, its honestly sad... I had extremely high hopes for China, but it appears its authoritarianism and socio/commu/crony-cap regime has finally caught up to them before they could reform/change. I see a hard decade or two in the foreseeable future for the regular chinese people. Shame@@fatboy19831
Cars made in China are good nowadays. Cheaper too in contrast with Fords, GM products, etc. If they can sell here without the greedy dealerships, they will flood the market.
They are NOT good
@@user-tg8do2kr4v well, how do you know?
@@drnick40 How do you know they are good?
National security. Chinese EVs have a lot cameras and they will be used as Chinese spy machines once allowed running on American streets.
@@drnick40 As somebody mentioned above, you won't know how good they are until they're been on the road for 10-15 years. The world is littered with dumps full of "great" products that end up in landfill in next to no time because they just are not made to last. Why would their cars be any different? Especially if they're cheap - they'll only make money if people are replacing them regularly so they have no interest in making them to last. What makes me laugh is people have been complaining of exactly this sort of thing for the past 20-30 years now, nothing being made to last any more, then along come the Chinese who have a terrible reputation for long term quality and suddenly everybody thinks they're brilliant. What's changed? I don't get it.
China has 10 million Evs, 46% of the global fleet in use as of June 2022. With such a huge market, Chinese car makers have all of the money to invest for renovation. Chinese Evs have a lot of cool features like voice control, AI etc integrated. The worst thing the US government did was trying to block Chinese Evs, that did hurt the US consumers by higher Ev prices without enough competition, when a nice BYD cost only ~10k USD in China.
没错，国外品牌的车看起来像是上个世纪的产品，越来越多的中国年轻人更愿意购买本土品牌汽车。我在今年5月份买了一辆长安汽车，不到2万美元，其驾驶体验和智能化都比国外品牌要好的多
在中国，每卖出10辆车，电动车占到4辆，这个数据在去年还只有1.7辆，
Whoa, that just shows how US EV market is lagging behind and mainly dominated by tesla.
We own two Teslas, they are good cars but we really hoped that we had a bit more choices when we shoped for our second EVs.
Love the videos you guys do together 👏👏...Happy Saturday everyone ✌️ have a good one...
BYD actually makes pretty good cars, I can’t wait to buy one from US
No way, Chinese cars are spy cars that will endanger national security of the USA.
USA will block it dude just like they blocked Huawei, but don't worry you can buy ford EVs lmao
@@georgefenrirbitadze4757ford EVs is over weight over sized shit range shit tech hmm 🤔 no thanks
@@SUPERFLUID88 you have iphone which is overpriced garbage but you still buy it since you don't have anything better
Damn thats a nice looking car. I hope they make it to New Zealand like the BYDs
Tommy and Alex together are the bomb! Really, really enjoyed this!! 🤗🤗
fun fact about the hiphi y is the center screen has three different ways to adjust the angle, you can use the steering wheel buttons, tap the screen, or unlock the motor and push and pull the screen.
That Y looks fantastic, I'd be gunshy about those doors though.
I drive a polestar 2 and it's awesome. looking forward to the EV development
Great video! If I'm not mistaken, I believe the platform that the funky cat is built on will be used by the new mini acemen and other Mini EVs .
It will. Co-developed with BMW.
Correct.
No ORA cat is not the one co developed with BMW. It was designed by Posche designing team.
Chinese EV's are way ahead of anything outta Detroit
Do they suck? American cars basically don't sell outside of US, especially in Asia. Who really suck.
For a auto industry revolution to start in US, first thing first is attitude adjustment.
I am OK with these as long as they come with warranty and maintenance is cheap. we must give them a try.
Why is everybody so happy with the Chinese taking over? It's still a communist country with a terrible human rights record. The only reason the western firms are joining up is cheap labour - typically somewhere between £30-£60 a week depending where in China you live. Because they're still classed as a developing company we still subsidise their shipping costs massively, so they're pushing their junk over here and we're paying for them to send it, which is a massive disadvantage to our own countries. You'll all be screaming at your government when we're all unemployed because everything is being made in China. Best thing is you have no idea how long they will last, and won't do until we see how many are still on the road in 10-15 years' time. I've never seen anything come out of a Chinese factory that's good enough to last that long.
Warranty is an absolute must!!!
These Chinese cars are not allowed to import into the US because they are all spy cars.
The Nio is better quality than Tesla. That’s because there are over 20 EV competition within just China so they are competing with each other. It’s so mature now.
Alex, check out the NIOs with their battery swaps! New style of ownership where you don't need to own the battery together with your car. You can lease batteries with different energy capacities according to your driving needs. And, you can always upgrade to the batteries with the latest battery technology. No other passenger EV companies that I know of currently offers permanently upgradable batteries to your EVs. NIO has a very different ownership and business model. Alex, please check that out.
Tesla made all their vehicles designed for the option/potential to use swappable/replaceable batteries in all their cars up until the mid 2015s when they got rid of that engineering/design/feature completely. Battery tech has made dramatic increases in tech over the past 1-2 decades... so there's very little utility or benefit (for the added costs) for the average user for such features when their EVs will soon have 500k mile battery packs with 80% charge capacity and quick charge options that give them 50%+ quick charge in 15 minutes. And that doesn't even take into account the logistical and materiel issues associated with creation of battery pack "gas stations" for swapping packs... which will cost multiple millions per station (and that assumes the raw material shortage situation gets solved) and take years for permitting and training as opposed to just cheaply made "super charger" stalls made of plastic and metal stands on an asphalt/concrete lot. That said, I've always had a fantasy for battery pack swapping myself and I love the design/look of NIOs cars, so I hope they can make it. Remember, there's a reason why the industry leading company and original innovator in EVs (Tesla) abandoned the concept close to a decade ago.
Thanks for the great intro and review of these China made EVs. The Hiphi Y and funky cat would be my choice as well. Just one thing that would make your videos more enjoyable is to omit those unnecessary comments about “money laundering” and so on. You might be joking but that doesn’t help anyone. Hope you will take this comment positively. Thanks and looking forward to your next video.
This was interesting- like the collaboration with Alex
Chinese cars manufacturers should expand into the USA market
Well, unfortunately won’t happen 😢
I'm afraid not, it's about NATIONAL SECURITY you know.😂
@@russelfang7434 🤣👍🏻👏🏻
China is a hyper competitive market with about 500 domestic EV car companies trying to get visibility and market share. That's one reason VW is failing so badly in China with EV's because they move at a glacial pace. NIO is interesting because all their cars have battery swapping and they have done 40-50 million battery swaps so far, and they have different size batteries so you could rent a larger size for a road trip and then go back to your normal size for daily driving. Battery swaps are an answer for people who live in apartment blocks and might not have a spot to overnight charge.
All junk
@@bobdylan6773Ok Mr.troll😂😂
Cool!
@@directxxxx71 The thing is you're all bigging these things up but you literally know nothing about them. Nobody knows whether these are going to be great products or crap ones, and won't know until they done 5-10 years or covered 120,000 miles. The only thing you can say for certain is that Chinese goods don't have a good reputation for lasting, but in the past we wouldn't dream of assessing the longevity of a product like a new car as soon as it appeared on the market. There's a reason why most good motor manufacturers have lasted for over a century. As for swapping battery packs, there are going to be rules on storage and handling, I don't know a lot about them but they're heavy items and it doesn't sound like the perfect answer to me. I'll stick to filling up at the pump for now.
@severnsea You should stay with your horse-drawn buggy, EV's are not for you.
I am patiently anticipating Chinese cars coming to the US. Aside from Tesla (many of which are already manufactured in China), the variety of US made EV's have not beem particularly appealing to me. Many of these have had issues too. I realize that it is challenging for the big 3 to completely revamp from ICE to EV, but they need to get their acts together, or be left in the dust. The whole situation is reminiscent of the Japanese car onslaught which really almost killed the the US auto industry.
National Security Alert!
us government will make sure that won't happen.
@@tonyh7158 unions will kill any such attempts...
Protectionism will always kill public interest as well as consumer pocket.
Thanks for doing the Funky Cat!! I wish we could get it over here, especially at those prices.
Thanks for the shout-out to Alix! It's great to know who's taking the video.
Regarding the et5 theres a wagon version thats just got released too.The chinese build quality is better then american especially regarding tesla, here in Norway we have model 3 from freemont and china and the chinese is way better.
Suck? They're the best now.
Tommy glosses over Polestar and is captivated by little gewgaws on the other cars
The others have more tricks and are more overtly techy than the more sober and understated Polestar 3.
I would like a flat entry to the trunk and fold down flat seats all the way to the front. Like if you want to go camping or take a nap with an other I look for cars that are set up for this. This sort of hatch back also makes it easier to haul stuff around when you need to.
The ora Funky cat got the highest safety rating in its size category.
That was a good video and informative on Chinese vehicles.
I would say they stop sucking about 3-5 years ago. This specific one you reviewed in your video is great. My cousin owns one and I freaking love sitting in it or driving it. EDIT: I meant the one with the split doors lmao.
The HiPhi model Y and earlier model have projectors at the front and back. The front one can project messages from u, the back one projects buttons on the floor for you to step on, which, for example opens the trunk door at the back. Backseat buttons are cycling keys, top button for open and close, bottom botton for open, open wider, abd close. Front door can also be closed by stepping on brake paddle. There are a lot of other features.........
The big question is, will any of these vehicles make it to the US market?
Nio is. They’re planning on entering the US in 2025. They already brought a few of their cars over from China to their headquarters in San Jose California, and someone already reviewed and drove a couple of them there. You should search them up, the videos are on KZhead.
@@faheemabbas3965 It's all up to Congress. Congress can keep them out if they choose to.
A: no. forget plans and forget the scam of announcing "future calendar dates". for better or worse, there's NO APPETITE on either side of the aisle for Chinese Direct Market cars to be sold here in 'Murica, and one doesn't even need to be paying super close attention to the Politics in Washington DC to see this (although it helps).
I live in Australis & why shld we even bother abt US. US has only population of 330M. I think you will get more from SE Asia and in Africa countries, as soon as the latter is more developed, which is now. US is hopeless and poor. More & more of their people living on streets & govt didn't bother abt their welfare. And you call that a rich country?!
No.. due to national security.. all this cannot come to America market.
The Buick Envision is made in China. Of course this was built with US engineering, but assembled with cheaper labor costs. If you look at the Consumer Reports reliability charts, the Envision is one of the most reliable Buicks.
🇺🇸 design and engineering in USA by Chinese engineers over zoom. BEV median in USA is $60k. Need to import Chinese bevs...CATL, BYD, nio batteries are the best in the world. Tesla, gm, Ford, Toyota, Honda, bkw, Benz, vw all use Chinese batteries. ... more competition in USA will lower prices and bring better quality and range!
Actually, it assembled in India, Afghanistan, Syria...because of cheaper labor costs.
@@lifeisgood141 Thats why it has curry smell.
@@seymorefact4333 Japan makes the best batteries, china is last
@@bobdylan6773 lol... Japan makes decent p0rn. That's it! Wait... your right, batteries for s€X toys.
BYD is the largest Electric Cars Maker in China Now.
It doesn't really matter if Chinese cars are great or suck for us here is USA because thanks to our xenophobic government, we can't buy them and drive them here. Was in the futuristic Shenzhen a few months back, half the cars there were EVs and all the buses were EVs. Ebikes were everywhere, no wonder the air quality there was better than here in NYC where almost all vehicles are still ICEs.
That gull wing door thing looks cool, but in a “modern” parking lot (with maybe a foot between cars), it’s going to get jammed.
It has sensors to prevent that from happening. Should there be any obstructions or even people standing near, the doors will stop opening. A much better 2-piece gull door design than Tesla's 1-piece. The top piece can remain closed while getting in or out during rain unlike a tesla which will get the interior 'flooded'! The top piece has rain, obstructions n heavy load (eg. A layer of thick snow) sensors!
geely and great wall motors are expanding into the Mexican market
The mg4 is the best ev value on the market. Covers all the basics and tesla Bjorn complimented the charging speed on his 1000 km test. One of the best times.
Funky Cat bonnet ridges are also structural stiffeners.
NIO is by far the best looking of the bunch (Personal Pref. of course). They already have offices in the US with plans to begin selling cars in the US/EU in 2025. IMO they have the best chance of competing in the US because of their battery swapping option. You can choose to charge your car normally or if you're on the go, you can swap out the battery at one of their stations in under 5 mins. Having the ability to swap out batteries means when a new and improved battery comes out, you can change into one without having to get a whole new car.
是的，我也是这样的看法。
欧洲已经在卖了。美国是完全不可能的。会给你扣个危害美国国家安全的帽子。
拜登不会允许的就像华为一样，他害怕
Tesla made all their vehicles designed for the option/potential to use swappable/replaceable batteries in all their cars up until the mid 2015s when they got rid of that engineering/design/feature completely. Battery tech has made dramatic increases in tech over the past 1-2 decades... so there's very little utility or benefit (for the added costs) for the average user for such features when their EVs will soon have 500k mile battery packs with 80% charge capacity and quick charge options that give them 50%+ quick charge in 15 minutes. And that doesn't even take into account the logistical and materiel issues associated with creation of battery pack "gas stations" for swapping packs... which will cost multiple millions per station (and that assumes the raw material shortage situation gets solved) and take years for permitting and training as opposed to just cheaply made "super charger" stalls made of plastic and metal stands on an asphalt/concrete lot. That said, I've always had a fantasy for battery pack swapping myself and I love the design/look of NIOs cars, so I hope they can make it. Remember, there's a reason why the industry leading company and original innovator in EVs (Tesla) abandoned the concept close to a decade ago.
NIO is going to be awesome! @8:33
Can't believe you didn't mention Nio's battery swap technology.
Tesla made all their vehicles designed for the option/potential to use swappable/replaceable batteries in all their cars up until the mid 2015s when they got rid of that engineering/design/feature completely. Battery tech has made dramatic increases in tech over the past 1-2 decades... so there's very little utility or benefit (for the added costs) for the average user for such features when their EVs will soon have 500k mile battery packs with 80% charge capacity and quick charge options that give them 50%+ quick charge in 15 minutes. And that doesn't even take into account the logistical and materiel issues associated with creation of battery pack "gas stations" for swapping packs... which will cost multiple millions per station (and that assumes the raw material shortage situation gets solved) and take years for permitting and training as opposed to just cheaply made "super charger" stalls made of plastic and metal stands on an asphalt/concrete lot. That said, I've always had a fantasy for battery pack swapping myself and I love the design/look of NIOs cars, so I hope they can make it. Remember, there's a reason why the industry leading company and original innovator in EVs (Tesla) abandoned the concept close to a decade ago.
It is good to see Alex in this channel.
I’ve got the MG4 the same colour. I’ve had Fords, MB, Mazdas, Toyotas, Land Rovers and Mitsubishis… It is a great car, drives and handles well and has great build quality.
The MG Cyberster is the one to get.
Love to see some EVs under 40K USD Would've loved to see the new solid state battery car
Same. They just keep making more luxurious models that, while cool, costs 75% the value of my home/land. Looking at you f150 lightning lmao If they want more adoption, they need to stop making most EVs look like rich people's toys. There should be luxury cars but not as a majority. EVs just don't have a leg up in the entry level car market when competing with their ICE counterparts. I hope the tech moves towards more reliable/less expensive but that isn't the trend with any industry these days, automotive or otherwise.
China is not starting to make EVs. They are the number 1 maker of EVs today
No matter how much propaganda and prejudice come out, the Chinese cars are just much better value. They made themselves into great producers.... Meanwhile in the old industrial countries its all crying and moaning and shameless abandoning of their own people. Once great industrial nations abandoned their craft for short term profits.
Nio has a great selection of vehicles and the only one with battery swap. Can’t wait too see them in the US in 2025.
Are you sure？ National security matters.
@@derekwampum8861 we have been importing nearly everything from China for years. Cellphones, computers, clothing, food, etc. etc. Now all of the sudden their cars are a security risk? More likely that Ford and GM aren’t ready and Chinese imports would drive them out of business.
@@crtmojo2705 Ford and GM have a lot of lobbies in the congress, so don't worry Chinese cars will not hit the States.
@@derekwampum8861 it’s already been announced. That’s why it’s 2025. The government won’t allow it until then because of Ford and GM. GM owns part of Byd and VW just bought into Xpeng.
@@derekwampum8861You are saying that the country that claims to be the leader of the free world.. Isn't free?? Tesla is in China with no strings attached.. Open doors for GM, Ford, Rivian, & Lucid.. So you are saying that the Chinese wouldn't be let in?? That's odd..
These cars so beautiful, love it
In June 2022 I saw the Ora "Good Cat" being shown in a mall in Bangkok Thailand where they were taking orders for the car. I had the opportunity to ride in two (Grab rides) during my winter stay in Chiang Mai Thailand and the car is well put together and quite comfortable. It's interesting to see them change the name to "Funky Cat" now that the vehicle is on sale. The size and interior space works well for small city use and it is quite spacious inside. I don't know about the charging speed but, I've seen a few being used by Grab drivers. I've been in a few other Chinese brand EVs here, as well and there are quite a few I have seen in the last week since coming back to Chiang Mai. It seems they are selling more hybrids and EVs here now however, I'm seeing EVs I haven't heard of and I suspect they are also Chinese models. I have been in a few MG gas powered and electric cars as well and I noticed more sound intrusion than I would have expected from a 2022/23 model vehicle. If these come to the US with longer range, lower price and a great warranty on the vehicle and battery, people will buy them.
I totally want to lift and off-road a funky cat
US need this EVs, specially the NIO ET5
National security. Chinese EVs have a lot of cameras which will intrude your privacy by sending your images and videos to China.
Sorry, no Chinese spy cars.
Heaven forbid that those two people in the car while you check it out give you two minutes to do so without their presence.
Here in North America, there ain't no Chinese EVs on the road yet as that would literally crush the domestic makers in short order.
First time I have ever heard of HiPhi, Im impressed af, hopefully the price will be a bit more affordable in official release, you just know when you pull up with this everybody would want to play with the car doors lol
KZhead "Think you know Chinese Cars?"
The tax would be a big part though, because they are imported cars.
in china, its price comes from 339k to 449k chnese yuan
If they stuck a Fiat badge on the Funky a door would fall off.
If one stick your nonsensical comment on your brainless head, it certainly will drop off!
USA made automobile's vehicle's are breakdowns faster includes GM,FORD with Chrysler are breakdowns faster.
These need to be brought & made in the US and disrupt the high costs EVs in the US👍!
Made in the US and low cost? Oxymoron by definition. Maybe after being subsidized with staggering amount of tax dollars.
The Hiphi Y is a great example of what I would say is wrong with the EV industry. Stop adding a lot of unesassary stuff and over complicating vehicles. That's just more problems in the future when it stops working. Give me a comfortable and reliable EV without all the unnecessary gimmicks
Hey OP, your wish is granted- I own a 2019 Kia Niro BEV. Its is basic transportation at its best. No goofy screen, no self closing doors, good storage, hard plastic interior which is easy to clean, good driving aids tech A REAR WINDOW WIPER!& a perfect drive train. how do we know Easy, the new NIRO uses the same drive system from the 2019' its good, it works, and its reliable. And its comfortable, the 2023 Niro uses the expensive Kia EV06 seats, even my 2019 seats are still very good.
@@harriettanthony7352 Kia and Hyundai make some very nice BEVs. Everyone I know that owns a Kia BEV has been very happy with it
These cars and trucks that china are making is good because they are making sure everyone step their game up no more cheap cars and trucks anymore it’s a buyer market for the customers 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Bought a VW Jetta hybrid 5 yrs ago, it was always in the shop, never could drive it for more than couple months without it breaking down. The transmission finally went belly up. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Will definitely try a Chinese EV next.
Ruihua is a professional and experienced EV charger manufacturer, specialized in AC charger, DC charger and Split Type DC fast chargers since 2006.
Tommy is a lot taller than most Chinese rear seat passengers, but good to see they made a Gurney bubble (kind of)
You should review NIO.
I see the Chinese cars are better than the Japanese and Korean cars. Just like the cellphones, Chinese made overtakes others easily.
The short answer: Pretty much yes, when you consider which country the cars are coming from. In recent years I have not purchased any products coming from China that requires connection to the internet.
That means your brain is successfully washed by the main stream media. Good for you man. Enjoy your own fantasy world.
My priorities for a vehicle purchase. I don't tow. I just need to run short haul errands and take 2 ppl with me. Price. Longevity. Reliability. Capabilities. Practicality. Styling. Performance. Where it's made. Features.
Safety?
he doesn't care about safety & comfort, haha
Safety lol
Safety third. :-) 1) Price. 2) Looking cool while driving it. 3) Safety.
If you stuck a "Well known US auto maker" badge on any of these, or even just said they were a new US brand they would get great reviews.
true
major concerns in the long term. spare parts and most specially that ipad like control in the middle. maybe if you are gonna sell it in a few years, it wont be a problem but be ready for a steep price drop on the resale value because it is worthless
I am glad to hear that ET phoned home😂
So far the only valid criticisms of Chinese EV's I've seen is their charging performance (Usually pretty slow) and software issues.
you should update your information…chinese 800v charging system is super fast
New NIO and BYD EV charge fast. They have 100kW fast charging.
Toyota's Bz4x is the slowest-charging EV so far
You are certainly behind time n not well informed. Chinese ev softwares are amongst the very best, giving tesla a good run for its money. In certain areas, it's even better than tesla. It's the Europeans n rest of the US ev makers that make bad n terrible softwares. That's why German ev makers (BBA & VW) n Toyota are using Chinese ev softwares.
最新一批的中国电动汽车已经普及800伏特快充了，充电5分钟续航200公里，充电15分钟续航400+公里，充满电续航800+公里
Clearly a difference in what ‘sophisticated’ is from markets in China vs Europe. The NIO’s tech is everywhere - all through the cabin, and clearly responsive, but the appearance/affect is tailored to a very different, bold+maximum-tech, taste instead of max-competence+subdued look that’s more typical of euro vehicles. Definitely a love it or not difference.
From an American standpoint, the Chinese cars seem designed for the younger buyer, more hey, look at this! and the European for the more mature buyer, more ahh, this is nice. American EVs seem to be more yeah, this'll work. We need to build in more hey and ahh. :)
chinese ev is junk
Still junk though
Nio,My dream car!
How do you keep those power doors from denting up the car next to you?
The door has a sensor, and it will detect the surrounding objects to determine the opening angle.
Difficult to say how good a car is when new. My in 2004 friend bought a dodge mini van when I got my sienna. His was nicer and more options. I'm still driving mine with normal maintenance, he had to dump his in 2014 as it was costing way too much to keep on the road. We both drive similar miles and conditions. Have to wait a few winters to see how these Chinese cars hold up. But good or bad, where is the electricity going to come from to charge em up. The grid can barely keep up with demands of today
You got that right. The government has to be on board to incentivize construction of the necessary electric infrastructure. The Chinese government knew that and they had it built and continues to expand it to keep pace with the growth of EVs there.
It is not that Chinese car companies are leading in technology, but that Western car companies are squeezing toothpaste.
Lol Chinese companies are leading what are you talking about