3D Animation: How the unusual Mars Pistol worked
The Mars Automatic Pistol (aka the Webley-Mars) was a semi-automatic pistol developed in 1900 by British gun designer Hugh Gabbett-Fairfax (1849-1920). It was one of the first semi-automatic pistols designed in Britain.
The Mars Automatic Pistol was rejected by the British War Office in 1902 as a possible replacement for the Webley & Scott revolver, then in service with the British Army, because of massive recoil, considerable muzzle flash, and mechanical complexity.
The captain in charge of tests of the Mars at the Naval Gunnery School in 1902 described it as "a nightmare" and noted, that "no one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again". Shooting the Mars pistol was described as "singularly unpleasant and alarming".
The Mars Automatic Pistol was first manufactured by Webley & Scott and later by gunmakers in Birmingham and London. It was available in the calibers 8.5mm Mars, 9mm Mars, .45 Mars Long and .45 Mars Short (not to be confused with 9mm Parabellum and .45 ACP).
It used a unique long recoil rotating bolt action which ejected spent cartridges straight to the rear, and the feed mechanism was unusual in that it pulled cartridges backwards out of the magazine and then lifted them up into the breech face.
Manufacture of the Mars Automatic Pistol ceased in 1907. Its inventor Hugh Gabbett-Fairfax ended up bankrupted since the project was funded almost entirely on his own personal funds.
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It’s actually very clever: it makes up for its ugly appearance by ejecting the spent cartridges directly into your eyes so you don’t have to look at it anymore
top notch, i hope you live a long and hapy life, cheers
It's beautiful.
The starting point for this gun was a naval rifle and it shows. Naval rifle as in the big screw-breach guns that make up the main battery of warships, not naval-pattern small arms. He literally looked at some battleship's main gun and said "What if that, but I could hold it in my hand, and instead of like 50 guys to work it, it does it all by itself."
It's like the Boberg and Desert Eagle had a one night stand that time traveled to the late 19th century
The Boberg is based on the Mars design.
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I figure the mechanism for that COULD have worked, if they had made it for a shipboard cannon or something, but because it was for a pistol, it didn't pan out.
That's the first thing I thought of: 'Looks like more the mechanism for a ship borne cannon.' The little wings at the rear rotating as the bolt/breach closed could have been the breechblock of a Parrot rifle.
@@pistonar What about a Whitworth Rifle? Just asking.
@@pistonar I might take up drafting and try my hand at drawing something like that (ACTUALLY I have thought about an auto-loading 57mm AT Cannon for some time).
@@rustym.shackelford5546 Also, very similar. Good call.
@@rustym.shackelford5546 I'd like to see that.
When you think about it. It's like a mini naval gun.
This pistol is literally a hand cannon.
Desert eagle of it’s age, only that the novelty appeal of something like that didn’t exist then
Sir Hugh probably was a Royal Navy officer, and this was what he knew.
It was described as a “young cannon”.
I was wondering if it could be scaled up like that...
It's like a shrunken naval artillery action in the palm of your trembling, sweaty hand.
This is what I thought so to my self:-"OMG, This is a scaled down hand canon, literally...!!" 😮😮
I see you got the detail that it didn't load the next round and close the breach until you released the trigger -- that was how it avoided misfeeds because of the insane recoil.
Your animation, showing different angles and depths is outstanding. The standard by which all other animating should be done.
it's not his work, it's just a capture of the game World of Guns : Gun Disassembly
I'd love to see one of these actually being fired.
Imagine if this was upscaled as a large self loading naval cannon
That is the best 3D gun animation I have ever seen. Multiple angles and layers, makes the operation of this unique firearm very easy to see and understand. Well done, sir….very well done indeed.
Its probably from a android/iOS game which is 10+ years old don't flatter the guy. (World of guns)
The Captain who made that quote that the gun “was a nightmare” and that “no one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again” was, in fact, the Captain in charge of firearm training at The Naval Gunnery School For Sissies.
In 1900 he may not have been used to semi autos with a reciprocating slide coming back into your face, with what stops the slide not being obvious.
Look at the hammer. It will chew your hand.
I always like this design!!! 🤠👍
People when they see the Mars: EW, UGLY!! People when they see a Deagle(literally the same as the Mars but slightly more successful): OMG SO PRETTY-
The key difference being, the Mars pistol actually functions somewhat reliably.
You mean people of no discernment or taste. Americans perchance.
If i ever star a gunsmithing school, building this would be required to get the highest credit because it's so complicated and sketchy
The OG hand-cannon
The WGP Autococker of firearms.
I feel like this action is actively trying to kill you as you shoot
I can see why they described it as alarming, given the trigger forcibly moves twice while the action cycles.
What a beautiful thing that is.
Thank you for this
You`re welcome. Glad you like it.
Nicely presented. Thank you.
Interesting pistol, amazing 3d animation. Thank you for sharing with us, 3DGunner!
I don’t think the barrel came back that far just going off of forgotten weapons video on it. Had maybe an inch of travel and then the bolt goes back on its own.
nope its that far
No it is a long recoil action, it really is going to move a long way back.
I'm late to the game, BUT - THAT WAS VERY WELL DONE - THANKS!
The feeding reminds me of the Bullpup 9 pistol, which also pulls cartridges back from the magazine, lifts them to the breech, and as the bolt moves forward, pushes them in. But that has a fixed barrel.
It's like some miniaturized naval artillery gun.
Единственный плюс это длинный ствол, без увеличения длины всего оружия.
Вероятно механизм меньше засирается нагаром, потому что затвор открывается позже.
@@tiortedrootskyВы правы, нагара должно быть мало. Но при этом механизм затвора открыт внешним загрязнениям
Может быть это не очень критично, если отпускать спуск сразу после выстрела.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who looks at this thing and thinks 'this is a fucking miniaturized artillery piece.'
Beautiful.
ah yes, the Grampa Deagle and Hellsing's first anti monster handcannon.
real hand cannon
Looks like the same mechanism of .50 cal Lynx
I think how the hammer operates the lifter/ejector is kinda cool.
It kinda reminds me of Silverhand's pistol. Kinda.
Steampunk 1877
It's the sort of thing Elbonian procurement would select for Special Forces.
The recoil impulse on that thing would have to be _massive_ compared to other automatics. It includes the entire barrel, breech, spent casing, _and_ the entire next round to be fired. Oof.
This animation does NOT show what rotates the bolt. The UK Warminster Weapons Museum had one and I wished that I'd taken the opportunity to pore over it on any of the three occasions I visited it.
For the day it was a clever design. They had no idea what a modern automatic pistol looks like and how it works. Apart from the ugliness I suspect with that longer 45 case that it would attract a few sales today. The critics would probably have thought a 1911 was a real kicker too, and we know how nice they are to shoot. It’s like a steampunk desert eagle.
This looks alot like how the GM 6 lynx functions
Still dont see what trips the bolt to rotate for locking. On different version of the gun theres a lever on the right side that is visible from outside. Here i see nothing.
I think it's the momentum of the lever on the left of the bolt - as it slides back it rotates round that central pivot, which pushes the pin down and turns the bolt anti clockwise. Then as the whole thing moves forward and stops, it carries on swinging, allowing the bolt to rotate clockwise and lock. I think
The bolt spring wants to rotate the bolt clockwise all the time. When the trigger is released after fireing, the bolt is free to rotate and only friction of the long left side rod is holding it back. Maybe it was an earlier model and designer actually hoped to tune it so the bolt is all the way forward before the bolt is rotated too far. But i would bet on both this model and the one in world of guns being wrong. Over on forgotten weapons in video "Mars Very Early Mars Pistol #4" on 7:10 you can see this lever on the right side as it goes behind a ledge under the bolt handle. The lever holds the bolt from rotating untill it is tripped by hitting the frame. You can see that this lever is in different position when the bolt is closed. In FW video "Mars Automatic Pistols" on 11:25 you can see similar lever, its inside of the slide on this model. The position of the lever is also different before and after the bolt is closed. Its probably the same principle for all models of the pistol.
He should have started making them on a much larger scale, it coulda been the first self-loading cannon
Except Maxim beat him to it with the 40mm (Pom Pom) gun (that was a scaled up Maxim machine gun).
A 9mm with a felt recoil of a 500 SW? What magic is this???
The gun for people who think a deagle is effeminate..
That´s just silly complexity.
That's how semi-auto/full-auto weapons started. Lots of people had ideas but not all of them were good. Even some of John Browning's earlier designs are complex by today's standard even though many guns today trace themselves to one of Browning's designs.
Music giving me Silent Cartographer PTSD flashbacks
The shell of the pistol bounces in the persons face and also the recoil makes it inaccurate
That's why you wear a monocle when you're firing it.
Better for an artillery cannon.. reminds me of the Bofors 20mm
It looks more dangerous to the user than to the target...
Chiraq CRAZY!
A century later Bobert pistol used similar "pull back" mechanism to make ultracompact pocket pistol. All in all, various systems of this pistol looks viable, but their conjunction produces awful result.
Found a bug. The ejected cartridge's primer is entier
It is not a hand gun. It’s an artillery!
damn a bullpup pistol lol
Not even a bullpup-
By some measures almost all automatic pistols other than the Mauser broomhandle are bullpups.
It's a bull pup ?
.45 Win Mag performance.
Delay Blowback like HK
i wonder if he changed/reworked this mechanism to work in a rifle instead of a pistol if it wouldve been better if not even adopted
Вот это система!
WW1 Desert Eagle ???
Yes, and much more better-
This pistol is the GOAT in BF1@@ukaszwalczak1154
The inventor went bankrupt? Released today it would achieve meme success... We have such a competency crisis now that the ingenuity of failed engineers in bygone ages would be welcomed today among the bland, mass produced, planned obsolescence, and more importantly soulless products widely available today. Take the KSG for an example of innovative design and subsequent success.
Looking at this it's way ahead of it time, I'm just wondering how effective would a muffler would work, it design looking really solid , I'm sur if someone would be able to recreate something like this today it would be a good assassin pistol
What are you talking about mate? "A good assassin pistol"? And "Muffler"? Wtf
Recoil operated guns can be sensitive for change of mass of the barrel. But if it can work, I would love to see an experiment, checking if its actually quieter as the bolt is closed for longer. But i would guess not.
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This is just an over complex piece of CRAP. NO gun needs to be THAT complicated. It looks like the inventor looked at other guns and wanted to do EVERYTHING assbackwards just to be "different". Lol.
Maybe he was unsure if other locking mechanisms can hanlde the hotter cartridges.
It was one of the earliest semi-auto pistols and the most powerful handgun in the world for a long time. I don't think there were other guns to look at. Like most 'firsts' it was awkward and not refined.
It lacks german ingenuity and russian symplicity and italian practicality therefore must be british.
It lacks Czech ingenuity, the Czechs created the Uzi in 1948, well, not really but you know what i mean-
@@ukaszwalczak1154tf bruh Uziel galiel (an israeli) created the uzi😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ukaszwalczak1154if czech guns are that good then i would see other powers use them. I only see other powers using their OWN rifle designs (and possibly much better ones)
@@danlomanalo4161 It's a joke. Of coursel Uziel created the Uzi, but he based it off the Czech Vz.48.
@@danlomanalo4161 Poland's Grot isn't the best gun, but it's a native design.
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