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Wow, thankful you weren't more seriously hurt. Thanks for sharing this and reminding all of us that stuff can happen in the blink of an eye.
thank goodness you lose fingers or hand !!
That's what safety squints are for.
I hate that I'm saying thanks for posting but thanks for posting and you weren't terribly injured
You know I try to learn from as many "professional" makers as I can. What I really like is that several of you are not afraid to show your mistakes and the videos that show what was done and how we can avoid what happened. I truly cannot express my gratitude for this community.
90% of the people on youtube abuse a tablesaw for all tasks. They're contributing to hundreds of thousands of serious ~accidents~ negligent incidents every year.
I think that might be the way I decide who to follow
It takes a lot of humility to admit your mistake and I think it takes even more to post this online. I’m very happy you weren’t cut by the blade. I had an incident on a chop saw and I cut my hand with the blade. It’s amazing how quickly it happens and I still remember to this day seeing the pink mist in the air which was the blood from my hand. That was 25 years ago but it feels like yesterday. Thank you for posting this!!
How did this happen? I'm in no way shaming you, I just want to learn from this mistep.
@@glenmchargue5461did you watch the video?
@@Alvah707you are reading to a reply to a comment not a reply to the video.
@@J053B01L u right u right my fault my fault
The video is to make money. 500k+ views already. Don't overthink it.
Your guardian angel was next to you that day. What's important is that you learned from it, and are sharing the lesson with others. Respect!
"Done it several times without an issue" complacency is the biggest threat in any workshop, garage or machine shop. Glad nothing severe happened as you were reminded here 👍
Seems 90% of people who are seriously injured on a machine say they do it all the time without any issue
Giving him a thumbs up? So insensitive… just kidding. I calculated about 160mph is how fast he got hit by that handle.
"cigarettes are safe, I do them all the time and i didn't get cancer, there is this guy who smoked 2 packs everyday and lived to 90y old" "shop dust and spray paint are not that bad, look at me, i used them with no protetction at all and i'm good for last 20 years"
Experience leads to complacency. I've seen it a hundred times. I've had to render first aid to people too many times because they have done something a hundred times + and let their guard down and lost fingers or got they're foot smashed or bad cuts because they were complacent!!
@@genecarden780We had one of these with a surface grinder in my shop. The operator had a steel plate down, freshly ground. Surface grinders tend to build up a metal sludge or paste around the part, as the particles stick to the magnetic chuck. It's best practice to wipe the sludge away from the part before removing it to make the next part significantly faster to load. While wiping it away, his hand touches the grinding wheel, which instantly was pulled through the gap between the wheel and the part... After being surface ground, the edges of a part are ridiculously sharp. Like, exactly as sharp as a freshly sharpened knife, have to handle with anti cut gloves. I was first on scene and rendered first aid. He got SO LUCKY. The distance between the wheel and the part's sharp edge happened to be 0.552 inches (we measured it afterwards). If it were 0.5, it would have cracked the bones in his first 3 fingers. At 0.4, it would have broken those bones completely. Anything less, and those fingers would have been lying on the floor. He got away with damaged tendons and some really deep cuts. I did an after action with him, asked what happened, what we could do to prevent it in future. He said that he has done this 30 times a day for 2 years with no problem. It's untenable to stop the grinding wheel between each part (it would quadruple the cycle time on each part), so he raises the wheel about half and inch, then drives it back an inch, which gives him clearance to wipe the part down. On that day, he got distracted while driving the wheel back, and never finished driving it back the full inch, forgot that he hadn't finished, and started the wipe down. We put a bunch of controls in place to keep that from being possible again, but hot damn it was so close to ruining his life.
No telling how many serious injuries you prevented with this explanation. I don't use a bandsaw, I don't do the kind of work that requires one, but anything with jaws, teeth or a blade and a motor deserves our full attention. My hat is off to you sir for putting this out there.
Treat anything thats measured in horse power as a horse that wants your lunch - my grandpa
Just bought a band saw. Working to develop and gain experience and your video is a real lesson. I've learned a lot from your videos - this one I won't forget. Thanks for sharing. Glad your ok!
Bdiamaz, I’ve owned bandsaws and used them for many hours. They are about the safest woodworking tool in the shop. Never came even remotely close to hurting myself. This guy’s a special kind of stu pid.
@@trappenweisseguy27 congratulation for your certainty and arrogance
@@trappenweisseguy27 The attitude of "he is stupid, that would never happen to me" is precisely what will get you hurt one day. Yes, it was a stupid mistake. Jay Bates himself called it "bonehead". But if you think you're immune to stupid decisions...well good luck to you. I mean that sincerely!
This is an excellent video for all to see. Not only does it show (and explain) a mistake to be avoided, but it serves as a reminder as to just how fast mistakes can bite you. I'm glad you were relatively unscathed. Stay safe.
It's a torque issue. The pivot point is at the table, but the point of contact (and where the torque force is being loaded on) is where the tooth of the blade first meets the wood. When the piece enters with the larger circle first, the contact point is further from the pivot and thus the blade puts more torque on the piece, making it harder for you to stabilize. Glad your safe. Many thanks for being humble enough to share this with others and encourage safety in the woodworking community. Go Blue, and Go Lions.
With the piece reversed the wood grain is sloping down in the same direction as the blade. The way the accident happened was with the grain pointing up for the teeth to grab . This is the other major reason.
Great learning experience for all of us. Thanks for your humility. So glad you are OK.
I often hear how the band saw is one of the safer shop saws as the blade moves down and away from the operator. Thanks for showing that this is still a potentially dangerous piece of equipment worthy of all your attention when using it.
Yes one of the safer.......not "safe"
This is about one of the only ways a kickback could happen. Or if he were to try and cute a square block on the corner without it being flat. Because it's not flat to the table it allows the workpiece to move. Notive how when it first catches it almost pulls it down.
At work I was cutting a 8x8 inch square piece of 1/2" plywood on a table saw with a fence. I was practicing not being in the path of the board should the blade grab it, and was using a push stick. The fence wasn't parallel with the blade and in fact it did grab the board and in a fraction of a second threw it under my right arm and about 20 ft behind me into a metal shelf with a loud bang. It was going so fast I don't think it dropped even 6 inches in the flight path. I'm just glad I had my helper stand out of the path too. He learned a very valuable lesson about a safety position with power tools, and I was reminded of one to make sure when using a fence to double check the parallel position, also on having the blade as high as possible to ensure the cutting angle isn't likely to grab board sideways with a low cutting angle. I'm glad no one was hurt, just my pride. Thanks for sharing your problem, it's always better to see it than experience it. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Good thing that little nub didn’t grab your thumb on the way up and slam it into the moving blade. You could have easily lost your thumb, it’s only by random luck that you didn’t. Thank you for being humble and sharing this with everyone.
These kinds of videos are invaluable reminders. Always, always, always think through what you're doing and why. So grateful you weren't seriously hurt. You have done a great service by "swallowing (your) pride" and giving the rest of us - experienced (to whom accidents happen to more often) and rookies alike. Respect to you, man. Not everyone is willing to show their ... lack of attention ... to the world.
I don't use my bandsaw nearly as often as you. Thank you for sharing and brining this to my attention. Truly appreciate all that you bring to us.
As a retired safety professional I don't like the word "accident" because it has the connotation that they aren't always preventable. That they just happen. What you had was a preventable incident. You did a fantastic job of analyzing and determine what should have been done to prevent it. Thanks for sharing.
A song causes an injury while using the "Band" saw... Checks out. Further, the song in question, "Hot for teacher", provides a learning lesson for the pupils. And thankfully not the corneas. Glad you're okay and thank you for sharing the event, a reminder to all. My grandfather pushed his thumb almost all the way through a table saw blade, 30+ years of building homes and cabinets... he just lapsed. Had it sewn back on (the skin was all that was in tact) and got back at it.
Thank you for making this short video about this. The more people are able to see the dangers of certain actions that can be dangerous, the safer we can be in our actions. Stay Safe Everyone!
So pleased you are OK and can share this learning episode with no more that a bruised thumb.
Thank you for being willing to share. What a great reminder and warning for us all! SO glad you have full recovery foreseen.
Very glad that you are safe and still intact! Thank you for sharing this reminder with all of us!
Thank you for this. I am a new bandsaw user and I have that same band saw. My favorite tool at the moment, but I think I was getting too complacent with it. So again, thank you for bringing back to reality for me.
Never cut round stock over an inch or so radius. It is unsupported at point of contact and will spin out of control as happened in this video.
Excellent video, Jay. I am glad you were not seriously hurt. You likely saved a bunch of woodworkers from losing some digits by documenting your incident and teaching this valuable safety lesson. Also, a great move to immediately announce to your wife that you were not hurt. I am sure she appreciates you saving her from worrying even before she knew she had to worry. I am not sure if the Van Halen was a factor in any way, but if you are going to listen to music in the shop, I recommend Rush. 😉😉😉
Something more important than fingers was at stake here, that board hit him in the face, it also splintered and a chunk flew off. What if unprotected eyes had come into contact with a shard of wood in this scenario, loss of an eye and possibly penetration through the eye socket.
In the future I recommend that all charcuterie boards to be kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw.
@@amazingpopculturepodcast I love it!! I wonder if there are any other New World Men who caught that reference. Well done, sir!!
@@runnerandgunner7954I bet there’s some analog kid or digital man that will get it. Thank you :)
Glad you're ok, thank you so much for posting this, it's a great reminder of what can happen in an instant, even with a very skilled wood worker such as yourself!
This should be required viewing for anybody getting into band saws, or even those who think it'll never happen to them. Always respect the blade.
Thanks for sharing this, Jay. It is a great reminder to pay attention, be present, and work as safely as possible around power tools. I am glad for your sake that it was not any worse.
What timing!!!I'm brand new to woodworking and just got my bandsaw in on Tuesday this past week. I hate that I had to learn like this, but sure appreciate you sharing it with us!
Please read the operating instructions carefully - they came with the machine.
Very glad you weren't hurt! Thank you for sharing this, I do believe it's important to share this. I have a bandsaw and watching that ordeal, well it honestly causes me to not take safety and thinking ahead for granted. Just so glad you are ok. Always appreciate your vids.
Great reminder for all of us who love to wood work.
Wow! Glad you're okay, bud. The band saw is usually the one that gets me complacent. It just doesn't seem like it can do the damage that a table saw or router can. But this goes to show that anything with a quickly spinning or moving blade is dangerous. Complacency will hurt you.
Wow, glad it wasn't worse. Also, good thing you were wearing safety glasses since it hit your head.
Jay thank you for this video. Bandsaw safety videos are something that I haven't seen before. I don't yet have a bandsaw but I want one, and this is something I hope stays with me. I never would have thought about the issues you raised and the cause of this incident. Keep up the good work. You are one of the best.
Thank you for sharing. Glad to see you're okay. This is valuable to everyone to share your experience 👍
Thank you for sharing this experience! I'm always amazed by people who seem to be able to listen to music, podcasts, or what have you while working with power tools. I know from experience that I am easily distracted and your experience reinforces my feeling that I would be foolish to EVER attempt it. Thanks again!
The amount of “action” that happened before you reacted is so crazy. So fast! Thanks for sharing
"Learn from the mistakes of others - you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" - so thanks for helping to contribute to our safety training.
We may learn from our mistakes, but it’s a lot less painful to learn from other people’s mistakes. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. That could so easily have been so much worse. I know I learned from watching this, now I hope the lesson sticks!
Thank you for this lesson. Breakdowns like this really do help others. You are saving fingers, eyes, and maybe even more by swallowing your pride, admitting you could have done better, and most importantly sharing with others. If you haven't had an accident in your shop...you are nothing but lucky. It will happen. You might not get hurt, but the possibility was\is certainly there.
I once heard there is no such thing as an accident just a series of bad or decisions. Thanks for posting and explaining all the conscious and unconscious "decisions" that went into what could have been a very serious incident.
It's not QUITE true, but for most things we experience human error is almost always the root cause.
This is one time when “too thick” is just fine. Safer to cut the next bunch of blanks thinner before cutting the round shape. Burn something decorative on the edge of those thick ones to make it more “purposeful”. Thank you for sharing this video and praise God you weren’t killed!
Glad you are ok!!!! Thank you for sharing and helping to prevent others from getting hurt!
Glad you weren’t hurt worse! I winced through the slo-mo when your hands were no longer pushing on the part, but we’re free to move towards the blade. Luckily, you were quick enough to avoid that! Makes me want to design a special push stick for bandsaw operations. Thanks for going through this accident in detail, we all need the wake-up call!
This is something I noticed. Immediately after it grabbed, he moved back. It would have been an easy reaction to try to grab at what was no longer there. I'm very glad Jay reacted well.
It could have been worse is an understatement!! Glad you're OK. Also, I never thought about round objects and rotation. Thanks for the reminder to stay aware.
.05 seconds is all I needed to know what was coming. Ever try to cut a softball in half with a 12” radial arm saw? Me neither, but I was there when my dad did. Blew a hole in the table of the saw. Other than that, no damage, no injury due knowledge of at least 2% of failure potential. They used to make tools that’d survive you. On that note……. They could maim your ass just the same. 75% Cal Berkeley Civil Engineering degree didn’t bring rotational potential (no load securing, medium LIVE effect considered) into mind, and this man transferred thought to paper to product like no one I’ve known since! As others have mentioned, Thank You. No matter the education, no matter the organization displayed, the level of experience, we can all make mistakes when we don’t apply some good ol’ thinkin’ over just “doing”. Love it. Mistakes allow growth like nothing else!
Glad you weren't hurt. These kinds of videos are great safety reminders and teaching tools. It's so easy to get complacent and not think things through. So many people get hurt and think "I knew better, why did I do that?" or "I should have see coming."
Thanks for sharing so we can all learn from this and glad you are ok!
At my job they are really pushing that “all” accidents can be avoided. I’m starting to slowly agree with that premise. Glad you are relatively okay other than the bruised thumb and ego. I’ve had the same type of accident and also got “lucky”. Thank you for sharing it.
Yes, turn off the music!
Thank you for having the maturity and where with all to bring this video to people's attention. It is invaluable and your willingness to put yourself out there and show your mistakes is admirable.
Thanks for showing this! So glad you are OK!!!
Excellent video and a reminder about bandsaw safety for everyone. Should be required viewing for all bandsaw users - regardless of experience level. Glad you weren’t seriously injured. Simple accidents like this can easily change the course of the rest of your life.
That happened so insanely fast. Glad you are safe and thanks for sharing your experi me for us to all learn from
Between this video and the one where someone caught a kickback on camera that just missed removing their thumb, I'm totally traumatized. But that's a good thing, I think. Reminds me that you can NEVER get lazy or lax when using power tools. Thanks for posting this. I'm so glad you weren't seriously injured.
I've been making sawdust for 60+ years, and just a few years ago the same happened to me. I can tell you, I will not make that stupid mistake again. It scared the bejesus out of me. So glad you didn't get hurt, Jay.
Thanks for sharing, Jay. Glad your injuries were minimal. Really appreciate you sharing this with us as a teachable moment for all.
Wow, thank you for sharing this, thank God you didn’t get seriously hurt, hopefully you saved someone in the future from serious injury !!! ❤
It’s awesome you have balls enough to show this boss ! Appreciate it immensely ! This will help a multitude of people period ! Good on you sir !
Thanks for sharing Jay. We all make mistakes but its great when we can learn from them, and share that knowledge with others.
Thanks for putting this out here Jay, it's all about learning! I think one of the core benefits of DIY videos is being able to learn both the good and bad from others in our community. I did something similar in one of my videos and, although there were several negative comments, the majority of them were very supportive and appreciative of the teaching moment I shared! I'm glad you're OK and really appreciate all you do / contribute to woodworking and DIY!
Jay, first, I am glad that you are OK. You are one of the most down to earth and humble makers that I follow. Taking the time to put this together is such a responsible thing to do. We all have these lapses from time to time. Sharing them and showing how very quickly things can go from normal to sour, for even an experienced craftsman, is so important. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! Glad you’re ok man, been watching you for years and you’re one of the safest woodworkers I know
Glad you were able to come away with just a valuable reminder / lesson and not an injury! Thank you for showing this and not hiding it. This will no doubt save a few injuries alone.
Tragar el orgullo y mostrar el accidente para que a todos no nos pase nunca me hace tener el Mayor Respeto hacia tu persona. Muchas Gracias!
Thanks for sharing Jay. I’m glad you weren’t seriously hurt. I had a similar accident many years ago when I got my first bandsaw. Now I use jigs or clamps for running round material through the bandsaw.
So glad you are OK Jay! Grateful you shared this very important lesson for ALL of us to learn from… Thank you!!!
Glad you are okay. Thank you for sharing. As soon as I saw the piece you were cutting I kind of knew what was going to happen . I cut a lot of round stock on my bandsaws (2 wood cutting and 1 metal ) and had a few pieces get away. Luckily I've only ended up with damaged stock or flying parts. Now I always use a sled that I built for the bandsaw or on the metal one I hold the stock in a clamp or vise. I'm not sure how I would approach re-sawing a large round like you were. Definitely would keep the handle forward and a modified push block to support the back .
Thanks Jay. A very timely video as I'm about to make something similar. We had it hammered into us at trade school that there are no such things as an accident but a chain of events leading up to it. Interrupt any one of the events and you can prevent the "accident". Happy to see you weren't seriously injured.
I’m very glad you were not permanently injured Jay, thanks for sharing and walking us all through it frame by frame. Your one of the earliest woodworking icons that I first discovered on KZhead years ago, take time to think about setting up each cut before you make them and if something doesn’t feel safe step back and re think it. I like how you said when you are running a saw that is doing something, music is not needed in that moment.
Thanks for sharing, and being so thorough in explaining how it happened... Helps us all understand better the 'hidden' dangers with the tools we work with. Glad you're ok.
Glad you're okay. I don't, and never have listened to music in the shop for that exact reason. I know me, and I know I'll get distracted. Thanks for sharing the after-accident analysis too. As you note, it's a good reminder to keep the focus.
Would a simple fixture (say two rectangular pieces of MDF, with the profile of the charcuterie board routed out of them) be suitable in this case?
Yes, this is the right way. No need actually route the profile though. Put the board against a piece of scrap (mdf or whatever) on the fence, place the handle in front and down against the table and screw or glue a small block to the scrap and in contact with the top of the handle. Use a push block to keep it pressed into the fence and the handle couldn't spin in either direction. A piece or two of double stick tape would make it even a little more secure.
I've never understood the many posters who say they listen to podcasts while they work. Sounds like an even greater likelihood of distraction than music. Thanks for posting it!
This is literally the must useful bandsaw video I've watched. Thank you for sharing your experience and hopefully preventing a multitude of accidents.
Glad you are ok. THANK YOU for sharing this close call and learning experience….
I am so thankful you are ok THANK YOU for showing this as it is a HUGE REMINDER for all in the shop to pay attention to what is going on in a shop again glad you were not seriously hurt 😮
Wow! Glad you’re ok, and thanks for sharing this!
Ouch! Glad you weren't hurt more seriously Jay!
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Wow Jay! So happy you will be okay. Thanks for sharing! A good lesson for us to learn. Thanks!
Wow. My hat is off to you for sharing that. Most of us this is something we would not want to admit we have done. I had a round object taking out of my hand once from a router with a flush trim bit and My finger and thumb ended up closing down on the bit because how hard I was squeezing. I knew it was a bad Idea but I did it anyway. Just like you explained cutting these. Even the way you did the first 4 you knew it was not the best of Ideas and proceeded to do it anyway. So that should be lesson #1 for all of us. If you have a doubt in your mind when about to do something on a machine do not override that thought. Instead explore it and make sure you are accounting for all of the forces in play. I was lucky mine removed the pad on my finger and thumb complete yellow meat showing but you somehow can not even tell today as all the finger prints grew back. Thank you for having the balls to say you had a lap in judgement and turn it into a learning episode for others. Bandsaw is one of those under respected tools by many but the fact is it is the finest bone saw you have in the shop.
Wow. Glad you’re ok. Thank you so much for sharing. It makes us all safer through a shared experience.
I had an accident with my table saw. I was cutting a thin strip off of a drawer bottom and did not remove my gloves. The blade was down to 3/16" of an inch and hooked the tip of my middle finger and pulled my index finger into the blade. Nothing was cut off, but both fingers had to be close in surgery. REMOVE YOUR GLOVES!!!!!!
VH. One of my top 5 favorite groups. The Hot for Teacher video back in the 80's was awesome.
Love the fact that you explain it so precisely.
Kudos to you Jay, thanks for the reminder!
I have a ton of respect for you making a video like this. on your mistakes in the shop and it makes us all safer at the end of the day. Thank you!!
Glad you’re alright man. Thanks for sharing and teaching. Stay safe.
What a great down to earth video! Often times I roll my eyes about those over-the-top accident videos, but you outright got to the point, owned your mistake and did a sober investigation of the root-causes. That was really great. Thanks for sharing your mistake for all of us to learn, way to go!
Thank you for sharing and educating us through your experience
This is one of the best woodworking videos I've ever seen. Thank you so much for putting this out. Lots of other people would have been too embarrassed in this situation, but actually watching a real example of an experienced woodworker making a dangerous mistake is extremely educational and useful, because it really can happen to anybody if you're not careful, and if it happens to you, the band saw (or whatever power tool) really does not care who you are or how much experience you think you have. It was also great that you went through all of the potential contributing factors, and listed off all of the things that you shouldn't have done (not just one). I don't do woodworking that often, but I've always had a personal philosophy never to listen to music any time I am anywhere near an active power tool (whether I'm the one using it or not). I just don't want to risk my concentration being reduced in any situation that could potentially take off a body part faster than I can even react if I'm not careful about exactly where I am and what I'm doing at all times...
THANK FOR SHOWING THIS JAY, IM SO GLAD YOUR SAFE BUDDY
Thank you for the humility to share this with us! I try to always remember to never be complacent around machines that can change your life in 1/24th of a second. But it still happens to the best of us. We are always constantly learning and you sharing this video will hopefully prevent some of us having to learn the hard way!
So glad you're safe Jay. And good on you for sharing. It's a good lesson.
Wow, thank you so much for posting this. Very educational!
Thank you for sharing. Very important for all us that work with blades
Great reminder for all of us, Thank you.
When I worked at a cabinet shop many years ago, we were building an office for a new judge at the courthouse, which meant making a lot of window trim for the new office wall (all frosted glass in a massive solid maple frame) One of the guys set up a board on the small job saw so he could rung the 1/2 inch wide pieces through. He had been at it for about an hour when there was a blood curdling scream and a lot of blood. He got bored doing the same thing over and over, and he started putting pieces through without actually looking... and he ran his thumb through the blade. More or less removing the distal phalanx (bone on the thumb). That moment is stuck in my mind every time I'm in the shop. It's a strong reminder to always pay attention to what you're doing.
Thank you for sharing this. You have just helped countless people in fighting complacency.
Thank you. This was a much-needed lesson about the potential danger of large bandsaws and substantial blades. It's certainly now a little scroll saw.
Many, many thanks for sharing. Super important reminder. Glad you're not injured.
Excellent safety reminder! My intermediate school woodshop teacher, Mr. Burt, told us, "don't cut round things on a bandsaw". A kid decided he knew better and nearly lost a finger when he tried to cut part of a broomstick handle.
Thanks so much for sharing this Jay. You'll likely help at least one person avoid a much worse injury. Glad you're OK.
Done it myself. I keep the bowl blank behind my bandsaw with that ragged cut facing me as a reminder I still have 10 fingers and 2 eyes to look out for. Thank you for sharing your mistakes we can all learn from this.