Ahsoka vs Maul: Is There Still Hope For Great Lightsaber Fights?
This episode is dedicated to the duel between Darth Maul and Ahsoka Tano, specifically - to what it means for those who love watching lightsaber fights. This video is the first episode of our new series in which we analyze and comment on different aspects of lightsaber fighting.
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I don't know if this true or not but I read on IMDb that George Lucas initially considered legendary Hong Kong action director Sammo Hung to choreograph the lightsaber fights in the prequel trilogy. Nick Gillard did an amazing job and created an entirely new form of sword fighting. But imagine if we got one of the greatest fight choreographers of all time behind the prequel lightsaber duels.......Maybe there's still a chance given the Star Wars franchise is still going fairly strong?
@@boymcfocto1262 not announced, but definitely planned. Thanks to Disney at least we have a reason to discuss it all. Even if we get 5 subpar movies and 1 great movie, I'm down
Sammo Hung is an OG but I'm glad with what Nick Gillard has done. There are many supertalented stunt coordinators but what Gillard did was special
I found out some days that it's official. It's been stated in multiple sources that Sammo Hung was considered as the role of fight choreographer in the prequels. I posted the IMDb article in a facebook group and the actual storyboard artist behind the phantom menace himself replied and said he recommended Sammo to George Lucas. Along with other famous HK action directors like Jackie Chan, Yuen Woo-Ping, Chin Siu-Tung, and some others.
@@jamyangpelsang3099 That'a cool fight. I'm a lifelong fan of asian cinema and choreography. However, I have yet to see a chinese sword fight that could blow my mind not in terms of speed, technique or performance, but in terms of creativity when it comes to different moves. Gillard basically blended a bunch of styles to create a style of his own. So even though I'm a huge fan of Sammo Hung, I like the way things are as of now. But they could've invited Sammo Hung or Donnie Yen, for example, to be the main stunt coordinator for the sequels, which they didn't, and it's a shame
@@tedxenium5120 interesting that you find a lack of creativity in Asian style sword fights, I've seen plenty of them with very creative moves that I've otherwise never seen anywhere else, but Nick Gillard definitely created an entirely new form of swordplay with the prequel style lightsaber combat, in the end I'm glad he choreographed them because I don't think we would've ever seen that kind of bladework in any other movie...
One of the best lightsaber duels in all the saga
Not gonna lie, I didn’t like the lightsaber fight if I’m being honest.
@@samogotamo why? Because both people were gonna live either way
@@samogotamo what didn’t you like about it?
@@samogotamo But it was amazing
Anybody else remember that fight between Kylo Ren and Rey? Yea, me neither.
PhantomTissue they fought so many times and each time got less interesting knowing Rey was gonna win either way
@@amazingrileyrules but most of all the choreography is so boring to watch , let's be honest.
@@monishvj5172 I think it was really interesting seeing how Kylo used his cross-guard blade in the fights, and different moves he picks up in the 3 movies. But Rey's style never really changed or evolved over the 3 movies, unlike Obi-Wan's over the prequels or Luke's over the originals.
One of the things I thought they got right about the sequel movies was that the lightsaber fighting went back to basics. There's a tendency for on-screen fights to get overly pretty. In the style of Asian movies and their frankly unrealistic style of martial arts fighting. Not only is it 'unrealistic' but it's impossible to follow except as a display of virtuosity. Far more enjoyable is a blow-by-blow exchange between characters. I think the Phantom Menace did it about right. It was fast and furious, but not unnecessarily so.
@@CBfrmcardiff 100% agree.
3:26 this was so badass in the Mandalorian
This is the way!
@@benjamincatalancampos6495 this is the way
This is the way. We have spoken.
"Thanks to proper character development" Yeah, something some OTHER recent SW Characters are completely lacking in. My problem with recent light saber combat is that its all flashy nonsense; the "attacks" aren't even aimed at the person, but in front of them, inviting them to safely block it. Its not meant to be an actual strike.
That’s stage combat.
@@bgphantom3 In conjunction to what you stated can be argued and written off as two or more precognitive capable beings battling one another in a clash of skill, talent, and abilities.
Notice that none of the clips shown are from the sequel trilogy😂
Well of course not. There aren't many lightsaber duelists in that era besides Kylo Ren and Rey.
@@nutellaninja4667 One guy gets it. Thank you. But at the same time, if Kylo Ren's main weapon is a lightsaber and he's trained by Luke, he should have murdered both Rey and Finn on first contact. But, here we are.
Because neither of these characters are from the sequel trilogy?
8:24 *[Luke the hermit uses saber throw]*
Wait there is a sequel trilogy?
Ohhh I'm 100% in!!! As animator, martial artist and Star Wars fan this series is going to be amazing for me, please continue 🙌🙏. Also can you go over some interpretations of the different lightsabers combat styles?
Oh thank you man, this is a great response! We sure will continue and dig deep into different aspects, styles, issues etc.
I still cannot believe that a movie with over $200m budget was allowed to have that throne room scene in it. I was actually really happy when I saw that fight between Maul and Ahsoka cause the way Maul was fighting with the double bladed lightsaber just gave me so much nostalgia to the lightsaber fight from the phantom menace.
i love how you stick up for the role your craft plays in these movies
We love when the viewers associate us with the brave and talented stunt people working on the big screen, like the ones this video is about. We hope to get an opportunity to show our skill and dedication in front of all the Star Wars fans.
Ohhh dude i agree with you. To be honest I love star wars exactly because of lightsaber fights (or at least one of the main reasons).
Park is a master. He shows up, does his job without complaining, and never holds back. Do the other people know how lucky they are to have an ally like Ray on their side? They should... Ray Park is a LEGEND!
I have never been nor will ever be tired of the concept of the Force, Jedi and lightsabers and have never known or heard anyone else who's tired of that as well.
I've heard many people say that. I don't know how things are overseas, but here in Russia we have a ton of Empire fans, entire clans of Mandalorians (I'm serious) and there is definitely a large number of fans who enjoy these aspects of Star Wars. Maybe they feel like the Force using characters steal the spotlight from the characters they enjoy more.
Can't wait till the second season of the Mandolorian now 😂
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@@mineboygamez 😂
This is one of my favourite fights in star wars ever! I wish I could learn how to fight with a lightsaber nut I have injured my leg quite a bit permanently. So I don't think I would have the movement to do so anymore. I'll just imagine myself for now :)
but yoda.....
there are no limitations, go for it! Invent a new style ... be it in a chair, on crutches, stilts, or in a stiff cast ... all you need is 10,000 hours of dedicated passion
@@Nefylym Thanks dude, maybe one day. Right now I still have to study a bit.
You could still use form 3.
@@christopherfleetwood5252 True
It was amazing. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The way one of the guys spun his lightsaber up in strike position, slashed down and spun it back up again for another well executed strike was sunning and seemed truly effective, in my mind, in a real combat situation. I was intimidated and in awe. Very impressive.
Personally, Duku vs Anakin 2 was my favorite I wish there was more footage of.
There is more footage of it, if you mean besides what ended up in the movie. Look up the "Stunts: It's all for real, part 1" featurette
@@tedxenium5120 thank you for this! Very much appreciated!
Yup, The Mandalorian was great even without lightsabers. But then Season 2 had five lightsaber fights, and the show got even better. Ahsoka vs The Magistrate's soldiers (x2) Ahsoka vs The Magistrate/beskar spear Din Djarin/beskar spear vs Moff Gideon/Darksaber Luke Skywalker vs Dark Trooper droids Since Ahsoka is getting her own series, I foresee many more great cinematic lightsaber fights coming.
To be honest, I'm a bit underwhelmed by these moments. And I was truly upset when I saw that they gave Rosario Dawson some of these neopixel bladed lightsabers. They really make the dueling and choreography expirience miserable. But I'm still hopeful. The best fight of the season hands down was Boba Fett vs stormtroopers
Honestly because of Ahsoka's well placed history, she is probably the most ripe already set character to have her own series. The history with Anakin, and the story of her lightsabers, her dipping into dark and light, great stuff. The CGI Star Wars series, well, except for the new too kiddy one, are really good mostly. Especially the story. And hey, if the stunt actress can act, have her be Ahsoka in a live action series. Why keep looking for a 'real actress' for the acting when you have what you need. If she can't, well, definitely in as the stunt actress for the entire run i'd say. And yeah, the series runner sets the stage, leave the fights to the stunt crew, coordinate if you want somethgin special to happen during the fight. Leave the people that know their shit do their stuff, it gives the best results just about all the time.
They rarely pick anyone fans thinks fits best. But it's fair to say sometimes they really nail it
Considering the fact that Lauren had already both worked on The Mandalorian and been a stand-in for Ahsoka, I guess it's safe to assume she will definitely be the stunt double for Rosario Dawson this season. If she isn't, I'd be very surprised.
Because they gotta find someone who also *looks the part,* Gabi. Lauren doesn't look quite like Ahsoka, but Rosario does.
@@Vandicoup never heard of movie magic I see.
@@Vandicoup neither of them does, in my opinion at least. But Dawson is an experienced actress so it's all fine. Lauren clearly has more experience as a stuntwoman. Everyone has something they do best
Here after the first mandalorian saber duel!
Lightsaber fights are amazing because there are so many levels to them. For instance Saber styles have many different forms and levels. Aggressive, acrobatic, defensive and precise, sporadic and reckless. Alongside the force users who can bolster their strength and agility with the force. 10/10 would recommend star wars lovers do some research into saber arts :)
Awww this is awesome , i need this training to finish my Jedi development
This was interesting to watch
I'm so glad I accidentally clicked on this video😍
I'm so glad I accidentally read this comment!
Отличное видео, спасибо, с удовольствием посмотрел :)
Directed by JAR JAR. SITH 8:32
Lauren, the fighte for Ahsoka is featured on Corridor in their "Stuntmen react" and gives awesome insight
She sure did! Her charisma and work ethic are outstanding.
I think Ahsoka/Maul is great because, exactly as for Ahsoka/Vader in Rebels (have you willingly left it away???) and others, it has not so many useless flourishes. It focuses on the adversary's annihilation, self-survival and nothing more. What I've seen in your school (which resembles so much Obi/Ani final battle) is certainly awesome, a joy for the eye and great for an exhibition, but simply won't fit in a story, risking on the other side to distract from the drama. I believe each fight should be carefully tailored on the characters and on the moment of the plot, not just "make it beautiful".
There are different types of conflict. Ahsoka vs Maul and Anakin vs Obi-Wan are different because there are different relationships between them and different stakes as well. This is a pretty common theme in the Star Wars fights - many times the duelists do not want to kill each other immediately (Obi-Ani, Vader - Luke both times, Dooku vs Obi and Anaking in episode two) thus making their fight look more like an expression of their emotions rather than just a straight up assassination attempt/self defense. This gives us much more room for maneuver in terms of choreography. Ahsoka vs Maul does not lack flashy moves and flourishes, watch it again. We only decided to break down the Ahsoka vs Maul battle because there was a great story behind it's creation (with motion capture and all) and great martial artists involved.
I kinda wanna see a lightsaber wielder who fights like a rabid animal, biting and scrabbling and trying to claw their opponent's eyes
I also wanna see Mike Tyson use a lightsaber.
@@SchoolofSaberfighting oh lol I was thinking more "small and desperate creature who never learned how to fight honorably" but "insane Mike Tyson mf" sounds hilarious too 😂
Just fucking imagine that! Insane🤣
This is cool . Just found this channel and im happy i did .
idk why but watching this at 1:34 i just now noticed the space between mauls foot and obi wans face
"Which reminds me, I have something for you. Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it, afraid you'd follow old Obi-Won on some damn, fool-idealistic crusade." "What is it?" "It is your father's lightsaber. It is the weapon of the Jedi. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. It is an elegant weapon from a more civilized age." -- Obi-Won Kenobi introduces lightsabers to the world.
Hey guys, I really want a light saber. But I don’t know which one. What are the lightsabers you guys use?
If they ever make some of the R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms books, she could be the stunt double for Drizzt Do'Urden
You had me at school light saber fighting
“Every voice matters at this point. When fans are being vocal enough, expressing their opinion, it might actually influence the way studios approach certain aspects of their movies.” This is Disney we’re talking about, sir.
Worked with WB and the Snyder Cut, currently works with The Mandalorian, so why not?
In actual combat in ancient warfare this is only needed when your facing more than 1 opponent other then that it’s about who delivers the first blow by striking. Usually by a stab/thrust. Turning would be suicide in combat as it leave you vulnerable and leaves an opening for you opponent to strike you maybe for a split second. But I enjoy saber combat even though it’s not really practical.
5:55.Theres not such thing as coincidence. The will of the force it was.
Наверное один из немногих случаев, когда у наших ребят аудитория на западе больше, чем в России, что не отменяет того, что делают они потрясные вещи. P.s. Жду продолжения Rogue contract
I like that force unleashed soundtrack
Yes there is still hope. If..... It has meaning and story backing behind the fight.
They back
Fun fact: Kali is known by other names depending on who you ask, Eskrima for example.
I was always under the impression that kali was a broader term like karate which encapsulates several more specialized arts and eskrima was specifically stick fighting
@@arettbarnard7832 from what research I've managed to do, they seemed to more or less be regional names originally, though differences have cropped up since then such as the weight or length lf the sticks or an emphasis on speed or strengrh. This article does have the etymology of the two (along with Arnis) correct, but I'd cross reference it with other articles of the sort to be on the safe side www.warrenerentertainment.com/fighting-spirit-blog/what-is-the-difference-between-arnis-kali-and-eskrima/#:~:text=Escrima%2F%20Eskrima%2C%20is%20from%20a,term%20which%20means%20'fencing'.&text=Arnis%20was%20known%20as%20the,used%20among%20Filipino%20Martial%20Arts.
R we not gonna talk about the Old Republic lightsaber fight cinematics? Those were so good
Robot head broke down the choreography of the fight scene with rey and kilo vs the Royal guard id love to hear your opinions on the throne room scene from the sequels
That scene sucks balls
I wish my country has it as well, Saber fighting isn't just an art, it can be a sport as well.
The duel between Anakin Skywalker and Obi-wan kenobi, still the best light sabers fight ever!
Agreed.
Love a great duel of the fates.
Where can I sign up
My only problem with that amazing fight was the end. It was not nearly long enough, and it's end was underwelming(the actual fight, immediently afterward Maul's pure terror realizing he wasnt going to die and was being brought in as a prisoner was one of the best scenes in all of star wars. I just think the fight shouldve been stretched out considering it was the last lightsaber fight)
I'm curious for an update. Are you guys being considered for future Star Wars projects? Do you have representation that can get your foot in the door? I am hoping Disney is looking at you guys to help with choreography for lightsaber duels. They can only benefit from you guys in my opinion. Anything happening on that front?
We're developing our channel and trying our best to create a connection with the community. We do not have a proper representation on that level at the moment, but we hope to attract more attention in the nearest future, which will hopefully make our dreams come true. Being able to work on choreography in some of the movies in the future is our biggest dream for sure.
In defense of the light saber! Bravo! Great essay.
A New Hope kick-started everything and thrived with its only lightsaber duel between two old characters. Empire Strikes Back is regarded as one of the best movies in the series, and it's lightsaber duel doesn't have anywhere near the choreography that the Duel of Fates does. I love the passion that you guys are putting into this series, and into the school of saberfighting in general, but I really don't think Star Wars can be boiled down to spectacle. The prequels are full of spectacle, but they really fail fundamentally at storytelling. I know people are starting to appreciate the elements of them that work, but I hope that never comes at the cost of criticizing what made them so universally panned in the first place. Spectacle isn't everything. Choreography does not save or fix or make up for a failed story.
It does not fix or make up for a failed story, however, it is as important, but imagine a brand new Mercedes Benz S-Class with plastic toy steering wheel. Makes zero sense, right? That's how I feel about a movie with good storytelling and visuals, but poor fight choreography. If it's a Scorcsse movie, for example, I'd look the other way when Robert DeNiro kicks the pavement when it's supposed to be his enemies head. But Scorsese-Fighting isn't a thing, right? For Star Wars, lightsabers are important. They are on the cover of every DVD, on every poster, in every trailer. And for A New Hope, spectacle was something that attracted people to the story and characters. And ESB has some major improvements over ANH when it comes to lightsaber fighting.
@@SchoolofSaberfighting I can definitely understand the value placed on lightsaber choreography, and I like that Mercedes analogy a lot. I'll definitely remember that. I appreciate the response!
is the link to Lauren Mary Kim's youtube channel broken or is it taken down?
Wow, seems to be broken at the moment. Thanks for noticing. We'll fix it!
Question for the folks from the channel: If the clone wars had streched an extra year before Ahsoka left the Jedi, do you think her dual against Maul would have ended quicker ?
not gonna lie... I have some problems with the fighting of the preequel era... in the originals it was supposed to be samurai duels. But in the prequels it bacame a kung fu show, yeah it looks cool and all but...
Tastes differ, they say. We appretiate the esthetic aspect of the samurai duels, however, the creative choreography in the kung-fu movies is much closer to our basic principles when it comes to fight choreography. That's why the prequels is our main source of inspiration.
Really wish there was a good way for me to learn saver swordplay..
So does this mean there's only Light Saber style fighting & not the different forms?
Love this video but some parts the audio is a bit louder than the voicing aaa
where do i buy a jedi sword like that?
I still think the most visually impressive duels come from the sequels. Even how Rey and Kylo fight are really interesting to watch. The Throne Room fight is probably the best example of this. Rey fights like a Sith, with wild, passionate swings, over-reaching and overly violent, she barely keeps up with one guard at a time. Kylo fights more like a Jedi, he keeps an eye of Rey, his movements are more precise, he takes the time to collect himself before the guards engage again, which symbolizes how 'in one mind' he is compared to his first and last duels with Rey. Something I think Disney Star Wars does well is that the duels actually mean something. In the Prequels, and the Clone Wars, duels usually happened just because it looked cool, there were too many. All duels in the OT meant a dramatic shift in the tone and plot of the franchise, they were more character-driven. The ST does this quite well IMO, each duel changed how Rey and Kylo looked upon the universe. After the Starkiller base duel, Rey grew more confident in her abilities, while Kylo's 'mask' finally fell off. After The Throne Room fight, Rey finally stopped looking for answers in the past and focused on the present, and Kylo finally solidified his place in the darkness. The Crait duel is just perfection, Luke being able to fight Kylo and save the Resistance without even lifting his saber, the pure embodiment of what it means to be a Jedi. Kylo finally got closure with Luke. The duels in TROS are weird, they clash sabers multiple times in the film and each time Rey is becoming more and more violent and angry, lashing out in hatred, then finally realizing what she's done after she strikes him down. Remember when we all first saw The Phantom Menace and were in awe at Maul's dual sabre? That hype was always present when Kylo used his saber. I loved seeing how Kylo used that thing, how it matches his character's more brutal nature, and how it became more than just merch bait. Saying 'Is there still hope' for duels implies the newer duels are lacking in all aspects, which they aren't. The visuals and sounds of the Sequels are just phenomenal, while the sound of blades clashing in the originals is just painful. The environments for the duels in the OT never change, it's always just "Industrial looking corridor" or "big dark room"..
Well, all the main duels in the prequels have a lot of story behind them. As for sequels, it's sad they did not use the potential of the actors who seemed clearly very enthusiastic. I'm pretty sure both Adam and Daisy would be happy to go through more training, which would have definitely resulted in more impressive looking fights. When I first saw Kylo's lightsaber, I couldn't stop thinking about how inconvenient it should be to use. Also, them giving the actors heavier sabers was a huge mistake.
The thrown room fight is a fucking abomination just like the rest of the sequels... I don’t think there are any saber fights in Star Wars history that are as worse choreographed as the thrown room fight.
I'm a fan of lightsaber fights, i kind of want to apply them in some way to mi comic.
I think the Mandalorian ended with with the dark saber for more story purposes rather than to have a saber on screen. Yes we have a saber fight in the series now, but considering the show as a whole it proves a Star Wars story can be great without lightsabers. However, it’s nice to have them once and a while :)
Agree with this. Even if the sequels have lightsaber fights in them, they lack the gusto that both the originals and prequels had.
@Light Revaan it all depend on the times, the character motivations and the motive of the fight. Ben vs Vader has weight to it, but only with the other movies combined. yes, its pretty lame in its execution, but I let that pass, since they were old men(in that period of time). Its Kenobi fighting against his former apprentice again, and choosing to sacrifice his life, further embodying the soul of a Jedi and saving Luke and co. ep5, luke vs vader also has weight to it, since its very emotionally charged, with vader knowing Lukes identity while Luke knows not, him showing his superiority with him, testing the boy until he gets serious and cuts of his hand. ep. 6 has a full fledged Jedi knight Luke vs Vader, both testing each other out, while Luke tries to fight vader mentally more than his fighting spirit. in the end, his will wins over his brawls, which affect saver to turn to the light and redeem himself.
The originals did NOT have gusto y’all just wanna hate on the sequels.
I didn't know anyone had lost hope in lightsaber duels
Have you even watched the fucking sequels? The fights are absolute shit
@@busterji2229 explain
They have the worst carography, no lightsabers even touch and Rey and Ben have horrible forms-in fact not even choosing a form just swinging Here is a vid to explain
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@@busterji2229 shadiversity also has a really great breakdown of the shit TLJ throne room fight
Imso Andor show us a Star Wars, a great Star Wars without a lightsabers buuut. Yes! The conflicts with a sabers beetwen force-users are a heart of SW❤
While the lightsaber duels in the ST aren't the greatest, I still think that they shine on their own. I don't want to completely write them off because that would be doing all the work put into them a disservice. I'm a huge fan of the lightsaber duels from the SWTOR cinematics, which takes inspiration from the PT duels. However, the fights from the ST still have some merit, especially the Ep. 9 duel between Rey and Kylo Ren. If anything, I think Disney and Lucasarts should've pushed the envelope further with their creativity, as so many new elements (force blocking) were introduced into the ST, but not utilized to their fullest extent.
The 2003 Clone Wars series had the best lightsaber fights
Fact
Anakin vs. Ventress is third on my list, only behind Maul vs. Kenobi (Rebels) and Luke vs. Vader (ESB), and right before Ahsoka vs. Maul (TCW). Dooku’s duels were also cool, but kind of lacking in emotion. Shaak Ti was impressive fighting the magna-guards, but I generally prefer one-on-one duels.
Опа, а в конце из TOR'а музон, одобряю
I hope they can find a middle ground between flashy, like fans do for show and fun, and realism, like in the original trilogy and a bit on the sequels. Of course this is hard because actual humans, specially actors not trained in combat, cannot perform fits of athleticism like an animated character would, (THE MANDALORIAN SPOILERS) it shows in the latest Mandalorian episode were Ahsoka appears, even though the lightsaber fights weren’t bad, she was obviously not as interesting to watch as her Clone Wars/Rebels counterpart.
I wish the Light-Sabers in the movies, twirled like the ones in the animation.
I personally love the lightsaber duel between Darth Sidious and Maul and his brother. Truly makes Palpatine feel like a powerful duelist.
The duel is dope. It was just an example of how duels could look great while being completely different.
Lauren Mary Kim is an amazing artist no doubt. I do however have some questions. Ahsoka is shown to primarily use a backhanded lightsaber style. Granted, this was likely chosen to give her a unique look and style. That said, why didn’t Lauren wield her sabers the same way that Ahsoka traditionally does? Was it for story reasons i.e. a tactical better match against Maul? Rosario Dawson’s choreography and performance felt clunky as she was engaging the fodder troops and only really used her backhanded grip at the end of the fight in the Mandalorian. What gives? Do soldiers/warriors really change their basic fighting style?
As a long time performer and choreographer myself I can tell you that the backhand grip only looks good for a short portion of a fight. So I salute Lauren for her choice of technique.
@@SchoolofSaberfighting Thanks. I appreciate the reply.
And I appreciate your comment!
Jar Jar Sith... *roll credits!*
plz tell me about your opinion about new Ahsoka series lol beacause i’m so mad about it…
They’ve ALL been great.
I still want to see a lightsaber fight in which the weapon's ability to turn on and off is utilized in the heat of battle. imagine a killing strike in which the defense raises a horizontal blade to block an overhead slash, but instead of a connection happening the attacker toggles their blade so that it seemingly passes right through the guard.
That's a cool suggestion and we've been thinking about this for quite a while.
@@SchoolofSaberfighting I'm probably mistaken on the name exactly, trakkata I wanna say, was the name of a lightsaber form which would incorporate this.
You know you have audio reference on how to correctly pronounce Ahsokas last name right?
I found it more important to figure out how to pronounce Ashley Eckstein's last name lol Even re-recorded the audio
Anyone else think that this lady could play Ahsoka better than Dawson?
Rosario Dawson is an actor the woman who did the mo cap for Ahsoka is a stunt woman. It would be cool if they kept Rosario Dawson and made this woman her stunt double. Rosario Dawson is a great actress so I don't understand why you would want someone else to play Ahsoka especially someone who isn't really an actor.
@@austinmoss4134 I seem to remember some acting discussed in the video, not just stunt doubling. My opinion of Dawson's acting is obviously lower than yours. And Dawson is much too curvy to play a proper Togruta. Shaak Ti was voluptuous for a Togruta and she's flat and skinny next to Dawson as she is now.
@@Paladinbr She’s had acting roles but none of which required much acting prowess because she’s a stunt woman. The few acting roles she’s had are mainly comprised of characters who do nothing but fight essentially. Tbh I haven’t seen Rosario Dawson in too many things but what I have seen her in she’s been amazing. I have a friend who knows a ton about filmmaking he says she’s an amazing actor as well and he understands and knows that better than anyone that I’ve met in person or online (so far at least). What acting roles of Rosario Dawson are you going off of? I don’t think that matters at all I think acting prowess is way more important and her body isn’t even that far off from Ahsoka’s anyway if they got someone a lot wider then I would probably agree with you, but it’s close enough. I don’t think there’s a problem with Rosario Dawson’s appearance for this role, but if you really want someone skinnier it would be better to find someone with both the acting prowess and the appearance.
I think even Lauren herself wouldn't wanna portray Ahsoka on screen instead of Rosario Dawson.
@@austinmoss4134 My objections come mostly from her role as Claire Temple in the various Marvel Netflix shows. And I'll admit that I'm leery of any politically active actor getting a role in star Wars, seeing as how much damage politically "woke" individuals have ruined the franchise.
some where that i belong a sith is never unarmed when he has the Force but my lightsabers are well used and needed
Season 7 Ahsoka is the best Jedi from the CWAS
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lite saber duleing is when the force takes over your body
Did any one else see maul's saber grow at the 1:05 mark?
She should play live action ahsoka clone wars era
I love how many people argue the fact that Lightsaber fighting seems chaotic and unrealistic but they forget that they are watching literal space wizzards that have energy swords with crystals in them that are alive and basically communicate with them and connects with their respective wielder and they have precognition as a thing going on because hey, you forgot, The Force. But also they would be sort of forgiven for not knowing some of the expanded universe stuff like Form 1 of lightsaber combat which was basically derived from normal sword fighting but was quickly adapted and further developed for the new weapon. Being that it is not a regular sword as one would know and the fact that the fights have unseen elements, IE - The Force itself aiding the fighters, of course it would look like you are swinging around a bat or something, and no, this isn't an attempt to justify the choreography done, but more to try and explain what the actors are trying to sell through these fights, it's an unfair comparison, apples to oranges, lightsabers are not swords but they HAD for a short time, similar concepts applied in the SW universe, until it was slowly becoming more developed as a weapon and its own martial art. Of course you would swing it differently to a sword, because it doesn't have a cutting edge, it cuts from either side it touches. But hey, then we have fights that think that if you hunch over when igniting the blades and actually swinging it like a bat would sell the idea of it being an energy sword xD I apologize for such a long read here but also appreciate those who do give two cents to what i mentioned here. Some people just have the wrong expectations from Lightsaber fights ( Looking at you, Shadiversity ... not hating on him tho, guy is cool )
admittedly though I was disappointed to see Ray park use 2 double superman strikes... it's like come on man.... you got more than that. or maybe it was the editors
I think that lightsaber fighting's best looking and most interesting fight style sits somewhere around the phantom menace's end duel. revenge of the sith was too over the top and with impractical and pointless flash and style vs substance, and the fights in Empire and Return of the jedi are a bit too understated at times. Phantom Menace had style and was still focused and practical usually with a few embellishments for style. the force was used but didn't overshadow the swordplay.
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ONLY if there is an internalized conflict behind them. Otherwise it’s just spectacle.
Was there a pre-existing conflict between Maul and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan? Other than the conflict of ideologies, I don't think so. Yet their battle is considered one of the best if not THE best in all of the Saga. And I'd take spectacle without story over story without spectacle every time
@@tedxenium5120 I felt nothing watching that battle. But it was nice to see what true Jedi were capable of in regards to agility and physical feats. Also there WAS an internal struggle within the characters. When Qui gon died and obi-won was devastated. That was where I felt something. That was when the fighting became the “extension” of the character’s emotional state. There was vulnerability. But as soon as the force field opened and they resumed their battle it went back to choreography and spectacle.
@@jaminschmitt exactly, this fight has its own story within. And that is wonderful. Also, there are barely any flashy moves in that last part of the fight, only quick and pretty short exchanges. And the choreography actually reflected what whas going on inside Obi-Wan's head. He was consumed with anger after witnessing the murder of his master, and he tried to completely destroy Maul, which caused him being outsmarted by Maul. And afterwards, when he was hanging over that bottomless pit, he manged to recollect his emotions and ended up defeating Maul with the weapon of his master Qui-Gon. Beautiful and symbolic, in my opinion.
@@jaminschmitt it went back to choreography and spectacle? Lol what? Do you expect obi wan to be flailing around vehemently like rey or luke? When the force field opened and obi wan fought you could see his fighting style changing and becoming more aggressive. The conflict was still an extension of the characters
@@elijahlee3610 Luke pounding on Vader into submission before capping his hand off wasn’t graceful. When your emotions run high all sense of fighting devolves into a charge of rage. You don’t see that with Obi-wan. After Qui gon is impaled and Obi-wan stands there seething in rage, the force field finally opens and... they continue their fight with composure. There is no humanity present, no extension of what is being felt, just more choreographed dance moves. Sorry, but that’s why I felt nothing during the fight.
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Why didnt she play Ashoka in the Mandolorian
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I've now watched a few videos on your channel. The Lightsaber "battles" may look cool but they look to much like a rehearsed choreography not like a battle.
Which it fucking is lol Also true for any other fight in any movie or stage play
@@tedxenium5120 of course it is but you want to make it not so obvious
@@zarboc3264 we do not. And most people watching it enjoy it. And some even think it's all improvization. And some, like yourself, think it looks 'too choreographed'. And as everyone knows, when you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no one. So we're gonna just stick to doing things our way
@@tedxenium5120 I totally understand you, my comment was just something called "constructive criticism". For me it was just a bit to obvious which does not mean that I don't think it's cool.
@@zarboc3264 I've been doing this stuff for more than a decade and I can say it's pretty easy to make something that would look more realistic but not as easy to come up with something creative
My main problem is, for the most part, many light saber fights seem way to much like stage fights; very few strikes look and feel like they’re meant to to actually hit the opponent and they aim either over the head or for the sword. Something that even happens in the prequels and the thing that really held me back from liking ahsoka vs maul as much as everyone else.
Have you seen any other decent swordfight in a movie? I mean you may have your own preferences and in this case nothing's wrong with you not liking this type and style of choreography. They do not aim for the sword, that is never the intention of the choreographer (unless there are specific attacks on the blade, which is a common thing in fencing, for example).
@@tedxenium5120 dunno what you’re going on about but I’m pretty clearly voicing a personal criticism, not love, for this style of “swordplay” since the way you worded things makes it confusing to understand. Also no, not even in fencing should you actually aim for the sword. There are very few moves in which you ever aim at another blade and they mostly entail simply blade manipulation, rather than striking, for disarming.
@@skeetskeet7041 I did'n say you should love it. I was asking of your favorite examples of 'good' swordfights on screen. No, not only for disarming.
@@tedxenium5120 Pirates of the Carabean (the first one) has some surprisingly good choreography, Lotr at a lot of moments, original trillogy, “The Duelists,” Rob Roy, some of (again there are some good fights and a lot of “dancing”) Game of Thrones, and a few others I can’t name off the top of my hear. A lot of really good stuff if found in short films like The Knight of Hope, or historical drama films/shows. They’re getting better at realistic swordplay and after both Last Jedi and RoS both butchered fight choreography, it’s clear we need higher standards over all for not only lightsaber fights in their entirety, but technique as well. Not saying the stunt performers are themselves bad (I’ve seen a lot of the stuff from Lauren May Kim who plays ahsoka and it’s clear she’s incredible) but more-so the fault of directors and choreography itself not portraying either the speed or weight of actual combat. My best guess is that because it was mocap and they altered a lot of things to make it more flashy, it then ended up not looking nearly as intense or true to form for a realistic fight with lightsabers
Im comparing these duels with rey🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
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