How RTD’s Doctor Who Paved the Way for Marvel’s MCU
How did Russell T Davies (RTD) pave the way for the Marvel Cinematic Universe with his televisual shared Whoniverse?
Back in the last few years of the noughties there were plenty of rumblings about the newly formed Marvel Studios pulling off some kind of shared continuity. Iron Man had had his one movie and then popped up in The Incredible Hulk, and I remember a few mainstream UK movie critics at the time questioning the point of that. In fairness to them, it seemed like the kind of sequel baiting a studio would often do when getting far too ahead of themselves. I mean were Marvel and at the time Paramount really going to launch not just one but several successful franchises off the back of a bunch of B-listers before mashing them together for a team up film? Surely audiences wouldn’t keep up with everything? Surely the perceived quality of one project would negatively impact another? It had all the makings of being a red hot mess. But I was an early adopter to the MCU hype right from the start, and the reason for that wasn’t just my love of Marvel. It was because I’d grown up as a huge Doctor Who fan, and that series had just proven that all of these promises were possible.
Russell T Davies revived Doctor Who in 2005 and stayed on until the turn of the next decade with the 2010 News Years Day Special - The End of Time Part Two. In those years, not only did he successfully relaunch Doctor Who for both new and returning audiences of varying ages, he launched two spin offs shows that expanded the world and offered something different yet still in the same vein. Much like the heyday of the MCU, it meant that fans never had to go more than a few months without more live action Who adventures, and just like the MCU there were plenty of perspectives and people to follow and fall in love with. They even had their own Endgame style finale that saw just about everybody and every loose thread come together to face the Thanos of all enemies in Davros, creator of the Doctor’s arch foes. Just about everything the MCU was good at doing from 2008 to about 2019, the Whoniverse managed to pull off from 2005 to 2010. The only difference was that the Whoniverse shared world took place on the small screen, and Marvel were trying to do it on the silver screen...
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What’s your favourite example of worldbuilding / tying things up neatly in this era? For me some noteworthy ones are: Gwen and Gwenyth’s genetic multiplicity Elton mentioning all of the alien incursions he had witnessed Wilf ending up being Donna’s grandad The Helicarrier, I mean cloud base, I mean the Valiant returning in S4
Mr Copper, from Voyage of the Damned, using his money to establish the Mr Copper Foundation, helping bring the Doctor back to Earth in Stolen Earth. (Also) The Trickster foreshadowing the Gate to the Doctor, in Sarah Jane, where little does he know that this is what will cause him to regenerate.
The use of family to show the stakes, not just the companion families but normal people, and the use of TV news
I miss RTD's "mystery box" foreshadowing for the seasons. Even the single mention of "there is something on your back" in Fires of Pompeii. And i dont know if it was intentional, but "burn with me" in Smith and Jones and 42. He did them in better ways than Moffett. Though I do like the cracks in the universe in series 5. After that, no. Just no.
For me, having only watched DW/TW when i watched episode one of SJA and found out her son was an adopted Slurm soda alien slime boy. That was pretty cool.
“Labour camps, that’s what they called them last time” remains one of the most hard-hitting, fantastically written and beautifully acted pieces of television ever put to film.
What's that from
@@epicmadnesssTurn left, on series 4
It gets me too.
That needs to be told to Suella Braverman.
Yep. A good high point to nominate.
It's about time Doctor Who gets the credit it deserves...for doing it better than everyone else; including Marvel 😎
This truly was the pinnacle of Doctor Who media. May not have always been perfect but it truly kept us all hooked. And it's never been the same since.
Truly. Loved the Moffat eta but there was no interconnectivity
Can almost smell Disney fancying RTD for Marvel or Star Wars. I would say he is on an extended job interview with this run of DW. He knows how to make a show red hot on a budget, and they desperately need that - he also knows how to build a franchise … if he doesn’t screw it up I can see him being a very in demand commodity. Already I can see that these specials are an audition for a movie, and good for him.
It certainly doesn't hurt his connections to disney/marvel What property could you see him doing with marvel? I could see him doing alot with f4 and xmen but he'll probably still be attached to who by the time they're introduced
I read somewhere that George Lucas offered RTD a job writing for Clone Wars, but RTD turned him down.
@@1412JD I can see him possibly in a more overview role, especially the serialised content - what they have done has broadly I would say not worked as they hoped, and he has proven expertise there. I think F4 would be a good fit for a single project - small team dynamics, and bringing a human element to sci-fi is also right up his street.
For anyone who’s debating on watching Torchwood. If you loved the darker tone of ‘Turn Left’ you will enjoy Torchwood
Absolutely. Tbh going back through it for this video has made me really want to do a full video on it
@@FullFatVideosWould love to see a Torchwood vid! Those first two seasons are packed full of wonderful episodes and characters, Children of Earth is just a timeless and truly horrifying and brilliant piece of TV, and Miracle Day is an incredibly different but superbly well-realised and engaging season. Miss that show.
Is rape adult now?
I sooo miss Torchwood. What a fantastic time that was.
Eh, I just can't watch it. The writing is just too... mid to bad
On the topic of Turn Left, let's not forget that this is also basically its own What If episode before the MCU did it
I just really want to make sure this shared Whoniverse isn't spread to thin, or become over-saturated like the MCU. Yes, a UNIT spin-off would be cool, and I don't know, maybe we get some one off's like a series with the eight doctor and some other stuff, but don't over do it. Doctor Who fans have plenty of content to hold them over between series like novels, comics, and audio adventures, not to mention the 60 years of TV episodes they can always go back and re-visit. So these spin-offs need to appeal to more then just the handful of Classic Who fans who want to see Nyssa, Teagan, and Ace team up to stop a Sitheen Secret Invasion. These shows, and potential mini-series need to be deployed carefully, thoughtfully, and have an actual reason for existing. Just like how Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures explored different sides to the world, and had there own target audience. Ideally, you want people who never really cared about Doctor Who, to get into it because they really enjoyed one of the spin-offs, not just the other way around.
Absolutely! I don’t want it to feel like Star Wars where there’s absolutely too much and it’s watered the brand down. But I think RTD is smarter than that
While I agree with most points, not all viewers read the books/comics (I don’t). I think there is enough now in the whoniverse that most could rewatch everything between each series being aired.
I feel the Star Trek Universe is a better example, their current raft of shows are all quite unique Strange New Worlds is the traditional episodic style Trek Discovery is the super cinematic, serialised Trek Picard was the nostalgia fest Trek Prodigy is the Clone Wars-esque, for Kids, Trek (though is good enough for all audiences) Lower Decks is the 30 minute animated comedy sitcom (though it has a lot more going for it than that) They also limit the number of concurrent series too, instead of endlessly putting out new series, making it impossible to keep up. All the series take place in the same shared universe, but they don't rely on each other, so people arent expected to watch all of them to enjoy one of them.
@@Scarlett90 Yeah, that’s important too. I don’t want to be watching Doctor Who, and be confused because there’s a plot point that doesn’t make sense unless you watched The Weeping Angels spinoff and the Omega Miniseries.
Ive always seen this as a pioneering and seriously underrated universe building. The BBC really dropped the ball with fleshing out this world further.
That why is work. Doctor Who is not the MCU.
Honestly, I teared up just watched Wilf and Rocco salute and each. When Wilf says “Labour camps. That’s what they called them last time” I don’t think I’ve ever been hit by a line of dialogue in a film or TV show quite like that.
I feel as though the Elephant in the Room you’re not mentioning is Big Finish. Like everybody who is anybody has had their own adventure… including the Paternoster Gang & Kate’s UNIT.
It’s not quite the same as the live action stuff we got sharing the same space as the show in the 2000s. Not speaking to the quality of the stories but BF is supplementing the show, the audience for it is much smaller and more hardcore than the tv family audience
The video we've been waiting years for 🎉
Yep, sorry mate! Eventually I deliver 😂
I would love an Ace centred show, Ace is such an interesting classic companion to me and I think she still has a lot of story left to tell. We know Davies planned to bring Ace into SJA before the passing of Elizabeth Sladen, so I do hope that there could be a show focused on Ace. Of course, a new Torchwood season would be fantastic, Kate and Osgood in a show together definitely has potential and a show with 10 and 11 together sounds like a fantastic idea.
Ace also has K9 now, as per Russells own written Farewell Sarah Jane short, definitely a seed being planted.
Apparently there is a non-cannon storyline where Ace goes to the timelord academy and becomes a timelady before working for the timelord secret service. I'd love to see that as a TV show
Finally the video he’s promised for years is out and I can already tell he cooked here
This and soon Series 5's Essay!!!
@@marionbaggins i hope so i really want to see him talk about smiths best season
@@EGGPLAYUH420j9 He said he would and plus another video on a scene with 12...I hope they come out before the 60th!!!!
@@marionbaggins yeah same I’d love to see him talk about 12 again after his video on the episode mummy on the orient express
Okay, I shall endeavour to do all these before the end of the year! It was hard to get back in the WHO mood after all the mediocrity, but the 60th has pepped me up!
High key RTD is the only person on Earth I trust to do the mutants properly in the MCU
He would certainly understand the oppression politics that are essential to the X Men world
If RTD gives us Captain Jack Harkness and Professor River Song in the same episode, I'm gonna absolutely lose it, that would be so hype!!!!
I doubt that will actually happen, although of course I hope it will. That being said, there is a Big Finish box set of stories where they do interact:)
Sadly it won't happen...For reasons, I won't go into.
@@marionbaggins Never say never!
@@carealoo744 If they did 3 things could happen, either they have to make a retcon (I don't think they'd ever do this) or do some unsatisfying handwaving (most likely) or it'll just be super confusing to 90% of viewers.
@@TheProdigalNinja I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. They could just approach each other and say these exact words: "Ah! The famous Captain Jack Harkness/Professor River Song! How are you? I've been reading about your recent adventures with The Doctor- Well done!"
UPDATE: Harriet Jones. If you find a copy of "Now we are 600" A Doctor Who poetry book by James Goss, illustrations by RTD himself, shows what really happened to her. Basically, a trap door opens up through which she falls onto a mattress and jumps onto a motorbike. And off... Russell is quoted saying that, he drew it, so it's cannon. Well worth a read. Great video essay. T ; )
I would love to see an Ace & UNIT spinoff, featuring appearances from former companions, Gwen Cooper, Bannerman Road gang and River Song for an episode, also an Eighth Doctor mini/limited series, and have him crossover and in two episodes meeting Ace
I just had a thought while watching this video and now I DESPERATELY want this to be true. If Donna doesn't die/lose her memories again after this specials and Catherine Tate is up for it we could get a freaking *Donna Noble COMEDY spin-off for Doctor Who!!!* Can you even imagine that? God, how I want that now!!!!
My god that would be epic! Put that on the list of things I didn't know I needed until now- Have Donna investigating weird Phemonona and trying to raise her kid at the same time.
Me, seeing the video he’s promised us for literal YEARS being out: “Long have I waited”
Ah that’s so nice to hear honestly. Thought people might have forgotten this one
"Whoniverse" was right there my dude! Great video, so excited to see what RTD does in this golden age of TV.
Haha it’s in the thumbnail
Caught Bernard Cribbins on an old episode of Buzzcocks the other night. What a true gem. Great video, has definitely inspired a long overdue rewatch
Really well crafted video. Perfect analysis of why this model is such a success! Bring on the next Torchwood.
I think the companion support group, could be a great place for an anthology series which focus on single or pairs of companions. Small good stories which focus on a single character. Perhaps they could be connected with a mystery.
I’d say Star Trek beat Doctor Who to the punch back in the 90s with TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Quite Frankly RTD was copying what worked for Star Trek, Buffy/Angel, and even Stargate had a spinoff show come out the same time as Davies had his first season of New Who. RTD didn't pioneer jack so much as follow a common formula.
That’s true but I think it felt less like spin offs of a show and more of a shared world like the MCU, where everything was weaving together constantly and felt like it was building towards an epic planned crossover
As someone who is starting to be a big fan of Doctor Who, seeing how rich the universe is, it's honestly shocking we hardly have a shared universe these days. It would be awesome to see stuff in the universe that doesn't follow our titular Doctor. It's part of why I enjoyed Torchwood so much.
Buffy did this first and even quicker than Doctor Who. You’d have a character leaving for LA on Buffy and they would show up on that week’s episode of Angel. It must’ve been crazy to juggle.
Fans have waited a long time and now you have finally delivered this banger!!!
Appreciate you!!!!
Great video, I've been really Ill today and this has really cheered me up.
So good to hear! Get well soon
Why would you reset the five years in Endgame? For one thing it's given us interesting storylines and a reset button, even if the character journeys weren't reset would still feel cheap. Also the Starks would loose their child which is messed up
That's why Last of the Timelords is more messed up, because it gets reconned while Endgame, those 5 years stayed.
The Paternoster Gang and Kate/Osgood UNIT got spin offs in Big Finish and I highly recommend them. Edit: All of your suggested spin offs are available right now via Big Finish. Even Class got redeemed 😅.
Great video Matt! Well worth the wait 🙌
Glad you think so man! Thanks for waiting!
Doctor Who's extra shows felt more like accompaniements to the main show, a side to a main course meal. Best cohesive universe built over multiple shows and movies is the DCAU, consistently putting out stories from 1992-2006. The MCU never lived up to what DC did on the small screen.
Very impressive video. I really loved the scoring, added a lot of production value.
Thank you very much!
This vid making me SO excited for the future of the show. So much potential, fingers crossed!!
No, will feel tired like the MCU4.
Quite possibly but hopefully not@@mayotango1317
Thanks for watching!!!
*RTD2 LET'S FKN GOOOOO!!!* But yeah one for the kids one for the adults and perhaps an animated series would work also! Great analysis when it comes to the spinoffs you really did your research, good job FFV!
I’ve only just clicked on this but I know it’s gonna be a banger
Thank you dude!!!
i think the zygon invasion story is a good example of what i want from a "whoniverse". A series of events over multiple stories culminating in a big globetrotting epic that caps off the storyline. Of course, there's only one other episode that relates to that story, but think of the main show and spin-offs each having their own parts to a shared story arc that culminates on the main show. really i think showrunners need a grand plan for their runs because it's always really been made up as they go along. W video
That crap ruin the MCU.
@@mayotango1317 the smaller stories across the spin-offs don't have to be connected and shouldn't all be important to the culminations, they should just provide extra value if you want to follow all the shows. Picture it like if there was some kind of lead-in to the monk trilogy of series 10, so those in the know can gain extra value but it's not a requirement.
River and Jack. The most devastating power couple the universe has never seen.
It is mad there was never even a special
Jack Harkness isn't named after Agatha Harkness and RTD didn't name him, Moffat named him after a comic book character mentioned in the 2nd Doctor TV story where he went to the Land of Fiction
RTD has said numerous times, on his instagram, in confidential, in interviews etc, that he named Jack after Agatha.
@@enki345 A weird deep dive to name a character after.
@@RickReasonnzI've seen weirder. It isn't as blatant as naming him stark or rodgers, but for those who know it's a clear connection. It's kinda a useful thing to do for writers when making a Ben, pick a relatively obscure character similar in some way to yours for a bit of a reference or maybe foreshadowing
I’d love to see a “former companions” anthology where each episode is a standalone “mini-movie” with a different companion that’s in the tone of Black Mirror or Inside Number 9.
6:15 While there is a disadvantage to not have something to use as a reference, having to make everything up yourself, it's also an advantage in not having the baggage/expectations, too. Torchwood just needed to figure out what it wanted to be (tone, theme, etc.) and could go ahead, same with Sarah Jane Adventures - RTD (or whomever) decided one would skew to the adults while the other would skew for the younger audience, letting the flagship remain in the middle (not a bad idea, really), which helped decide certain things (and they did still pull some things from Doctor Who). 23:15 I'm definitely of two minds about this idea. I appreciate them acknowledging the continuity of character (remembering and having affection for certain characters or things, etc.) but also feel like it's reasonable to treat the change as if the Doctor's becoming a new person because they really do - no 2 Doctors are the same, even if they share aspects (and core traits, generally), and the end of an era deserves that acknowledgement. I don't think it needs to be as rigid as New Who made it (with Moffatt's era generally eschewing RTD's characters/worldbuilding, outside of a few items, then Chibnall doing the same when he took over, almost acting like a sequel to Classic Who, mostly ignoring the last two eras until he brought in Captain Jack and the Fugitive Doctor), but a change in Doctors should still be treated like a moment and a shift (I think both RTD and Moffatt did well within their own eras, with 9 to 10 and 11 to 12, as there were some changes between the Doctors but not as much the tone, etc.) 25:50 I disagree that undoing the Snap (and just having the heroes remember) would've been better - I think the problem is not in the decision to keep the "Blip" period, but rather the failure to really use the "Blip" as a story point as well as they could've. Both WandaVision and Hawkeye give us fantastic moments stemming from it, and the Flagsmashers could've really highlighted some stuff about the period if written better, but I think one other way the MCU could have addressed it better was...not to skip it. Rather than put Ant-Man & The Wasp (mostly a prequel/sidestory to Infinity War) and Captain Marvel (entirely a prequel) in the middle of Infinity War and End Game meant we don't spend any time in the Blip so we don't really understand what it was like (I suppose things like The Leftovers might leave an idea, with some exposition post-title card in End Game), but that was a great spot for a Disney+ series or a Shang-Chi introduction movie, or Ms. Marvel, etc.: "with a number of heroes gone, new heroes rise up in a world devastated by the Snap". Instead, we just got very minimal references to it because of the production timeline and secrets and not wanting to really make waves for everything. 26:30 Yeah, I agree that A Good Man Goes to War would've benefitted from some older, familiar faces from past Who, though I do think the inclusion of Jenny, Vastra, and Strax was a good idea because it's nice to think the Doctor's had adventures we didn't see/know about. I'm not sure that I would've liked spinoffs and a broader universe in that era (they can be tiring), but I can definitely see the argument for it and I'm not against it. Class was...better than I expected, but not as good as it should've been, and it did feel disconnected from the general universe (especially because it ignored past Coal Hill setup) - I think one of the problems with it is that it's not a spinoff, it's just a series that happens to be (tangentially, vaguely) connected to Doctor Who, almost like it was a different idea they just added some DW branding to (not unlike a couple Cloverfield movies). If this was how Clara was written out (at some point before "dying"), deciding to stay in her "normal"/"real life" as a teacher, then it might've worked, but instead there is no real connective tissue outside of some backstory and a couple terms. 30:44 I think this quote may be the thing that clinched the gig for RTD, with the BBC execs salivating at the idea of "shared universe franchise" money. I'm afraid of it, really, as diluting the brand by just doing a ton of spinoffs can really destroy interest. Especially due to budget and other creative restraints - Big Finish audio dramas and comics may be the best way to have these things.
You finally uploaded it! Ive been waiting months!
Hope you enjoyed it! It’s been years!!!!
@@FullFatVideos omg thanks for replying
I disagree about the 5 year time jump in endgame, if they had rewound time everyone would complain about Endgame not having consequences
Agreed. Also the pandemic made this a non issue. We’ve caught up with the story in the year of our lord Thanos 2023
Torchwood - more like the friends we made out with along the way
Hahah yep
It’s a shame they dropped the whole Doctor Who shared universe, Torchwood unceremoniously ended, & Sarah Jane Adventures just stopped after Liz Sladen sadly passed. I think they should’ve continued with the cast of characters from these shows, give them closure at least.
Excellent summary. Nice, nice summary. And good choice to highlight Turn Left. I’m still more forgiving of Class, though. Following the lockdowns, I’ve continued to dive into a decade-long list of to-do watchlists and re-watchlists … and the surprising thing is how good some “iceberg” series are to watch on their own, having broken off the main shelf of ice and drifted away. I found the same thing with Star Trek Enterprise, another series poorly received - the trick with these iceberg series is to come to them at a totally different time in your life, and not in the middle of a binge-watch of associated shows. Completely on its own, and completely with its own flavour, shows like Class and Star Trek Enterprise introduce you to new tone. And new tone is important, right? Just as true as with Jodie Whitaker, and Chris Chibnall’s different style of outdoor-and-landscape visual language. His picks for incidental music and directors set a new direction and showed us what could be … but you have to give these ideas a chance in isolation.
I think I was only 6 when these episodes came out, I surprisingly remember a fair deal of it. That being said I remember that our family only had a computer and I’m uncertain whether it had been announced that David was leaving the show by the time of stolen earth and journeys end but I remember being so stunned by the doctor regenerating and actually believing it to be him leaving. I can still remember all the theories me and my friends had at school. It’s crazy for me to think that something like that just wouldn’t happen now because of the media and the internet. I sometimes think about how lucky my parents must have been to see some of the most incredible films and shows during their childhoods but looking back now and thinking if this show just shows how lucky I feel to have been able to grow up with with the era of the show. I guess my point is that it’s awesome to have had that surprise and now all these years later watching such passionate videos being created about something that I have such fond memories of. Thank you for such an awesome video yet again! Love the content as always, one of the few channels left that still gets me excited when a new video is released!
Hey Matt I was just rewatching your video on the best DW regeneration. It got me thinking bout Whittakers regeneration and the similarities it has with the 9th regeneration, with a sprinkle of Tennant. For all the faults of Chibnall (and making the doctor regenerate on her own), I think it could be interesting to discuss where it ranks and what other people's opinions are on it. Would u at some point in the future make a vid on it? :)
It wasn't the first time. Back in the early 90s there was a group if shows on TV that shared universes
A vid I'd love to see from you is how you'd rank the modern series 1 through 13 I think you'd have a lot to give us on that subject
I feel like a unit show would be great for getting more global stories instead of just around the uk. Plus it's more feasible with the new Disney money.
Doctor Who actually had a time skip issue due to Series 1. It skipped 1 year ahead when Rose went missing. So Series 1 was released in 2005 but set in 2005-2006. Series 2 was released in 2006 but set in 2007, series 3 was released in 2007 but set in 2008 (except the main section of Blink which is technically a flashback to 2007 and the ending is actually present day 2008). Series 4 was released in 2008 but set in 2009. Then the specials were released in 2009 but also set in 2009. This is what fixed the time skip. As only Planet of the Dead and The End of Time were set in present day, it was easy to have the timeline fixed this way. (I suppose this would mean that Planet of the Dead is set during Series 4 but it's a time travel show so why not have 2 different Doctor's simultaneously)
Series 3 was implied to be 2007 though a la what John Smith said in Human Nature. I think the S1 time skip sounded cool but it also kinda messed things up in a way that was not really addressed.
@@The0thDoctor forgot about John Smith's dream scene. Yeah it messed it up for sure.
Don't know if you listen to Doctor Who on Big Finish, but for you and anyone reading this, Big Finish have done so many spin off audio drama series for Doctor Who including some you might have liked to see. There's U.N.I.T, The paternoster gang, the diary of River Song, Cyberman, Dalek Empire, Missy, Rose Tyler, The lives of captain Jack, War Master and I, Davros. They even continued Torchwood. And they all have the benefit of having different tones and having brand new characters. I know its not the same as seeing them on screen but there's so much good stuff to listen to that people should seriously give a try.
To be fair, New Who hasn't, until recently, been in sync with our current time. They tend to be off by a few months or even a few years. Everytime they fix it the following season says something stupid like "I haven't seen you in two years" 😅😅
It was a year ahead after aliens of London but it still progressed in a linear fashion that was easy to keep up with. Moffats timelines went all over the shop 😂
Goodness. I had to turn down the brightness on my screen for each time he came on the screen. Considering most of the Doctor Who footage was during the night and his onscreen footage was shockingly bright, it made a good video rather distracting.
I wonder since they’re filming Season 2 already if that means we could see Season One in the spring or summer and get a spinoff that airs in fall with Christmas special ending off the year? Or something like that?
Its about time lel, this is the anniversary of waiting for a video about an anniversary.
It’s been literally years since I even made the thumbnail
russel is getting ambitious, and I like it
You say the MCU time jump is messy and sits poorly with you, I on the other hand feel like the Doctor Who time jump you use as an example alternative is a time jump cop out. I would have been extremely disappointed if the MCU undid the time jump at the end of the movie because it would remove the consequences of losing in part 1. I mean sure, some people might still be dead, but that's actually even messier as nobody except them can even begin to explain how this perfectly alive character is just suddenly dead now during at point in time that has no longer happened.
Another doctor who video from you, let's goooo! Or should i say Allons-y!
Moto bene!
The next series of Doctor Who will be the 50th season of the Whoniverse, which is absolutely insane.
The Sarah Jane Adventures is the most consistently well written show in the Whoniverse and definitely worth a watch if you haven’t watched it fully. There’s some great stories in there, and even the slightly weaker episodes are still pretty great.
28:11 you’re slightly wrong about that bc the head teacher of coal hill was in class as well but that’s it
Hooray! It's here! And it only took me 10 hours to find it!
10 hours?
@@FullFatVideos It said the video was 10 hours old🥲
Children of earth was the best season of Torchwood writing wise but the team dynamic with Owen and tosh overruled that tbh. S1/2 of Torchwood are peak.
Damn man, almost wish you drop this a month from now cause I’m hyped and with the 60th was closer
Guess you’ll just have to watch this video again before the 60th 🤓😂😂
Would be interesting to see Russel write a spinoff series for the fugitive doctor with a darker tone and do something with the character that I feel has really had its potential wasted in Chibnall era.
Does anyone know what piece of music starts at 10:15?
Pity RTD couldn't manage the simplest crossover continuity between series... Jack being picked up by the Doctor at the end of Torchwood series 1 is totally contradicted by Utopia & he's returned to present day earth, but missing for months in Torchwood, the crashed Sontaran in Sarah Jane has a different pod ship & helmet than Poison sky etc.
Wdym? Present day isn't the same moment, and time travel means the doctor could've dropped him off months later. It's likely that it does make sense but that it's confusing to people like you which is still the fault of the writer in a way, but not an issue for most people
@@Jiub_SN "people like you" i.e. discerning viewers with working brains & an eye for details.
I would say star trek did it first, with Next Gen, DS9 & Voyager as well the next gen flims running in tandem at certain periods.
i actually really miss rtd era doctor who for the spinoffs. we haven't really had any good doctor who spinoffs since. there was class i guess but that kind of sucked. i liked the doctor who spinoffs with different tones that are focused on different themes idea. there are SO many potential spin off shows that could be really good. i think a unit show could be good. i'd like to see a humans on earth fighting aliens show again. i think it would be cool to pick other settings too, maybe at a different time in history.
Just wanted to say that the Paternoster gang did get a spin-off, a series of audio dramas through Big Finish
How come the lighting is so bright?
Mindblown
I need a Torchwood esque show with Martha as a lead now!!!
Poor Chib. Caught in the middle of RTD and Moffatt with just 13 and Fugitive. But Fugitive was da MF BOMB YO I miss her already
They should do a reversal to get the new spin off's off the ground. Instead of having the shows exists for a few seasons and then do a team up, they should do a team up and branch off spin off shows from the characters that test well. And who should be the villain? I think The Valeyard would work perfectly. Have him target people who've worked with The Doctor before like Gwen, UNIT and the Bannerman Road Gang etc and have them all brought together to stop him. Give him some kind of world ending plan that even The Doctor has trouble with and it could re-ignite the idea that other people have to take up the defence of Earth when The Doctor's not around. Have Gwen head up a new Torchwood team under UNIT with Kate as a Nick Fury type and have Luke Smith, Clyde and Rani bring together a new Bannerman Road team with Luke taking over from Sarah Jane and Clyde and Rani as mentors to the new kids in the group.
What's the music in the background?
When? There’s lots of tracks!
The one that starts at 24:55 @@FullFatVideos
Wolf Studios Wales, where Doctor Who is made now, has a sign that reads: "home of DWU" irc
Great video but I think credit has to go to Quintin Tarantino for creating a shared universe on film, I know his films are loosely connected and don't have many crossovers but the concept of some films being real life within the tarantinoverse and others being films within the same universe was ahead of its time for cinema. Also this probably doesn't really count but the creators of cheers/wings/Fraser also did a very good job at creating a shared universe with regular character crossover
I mean, Star Trek were basically doing this from the off, at this point they've had around 10 separate series, and 13 movies, all interconnected (though three of the movies are in a separate timeline, but have Spock crossing over and are still canon to the franchise). IIRC, RTD actually referenced that Doctor Who would benefit from taking a leaf out of their book, shortly before coming back for RTD2
Early Torchwood is one of my favorite stretches of television ever
Doctor Who blazed the path for science fiction TV and Delia brought the world EDM,progressive rock,techno and disco
Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis were already doing this like a year before NuWho even aired
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure Star Trek was doing this throughout the 90s
Stargate sucks though lol. Even the original film isn’t very good
Your feelings don't change the fact it did it before Who though. When NuWho first came out Stargate was literally the biggest Sci-Fi series that was still on the air at that time. Doctor Who probably saw that shared universes with interconnecting plots could work because SG-1/Atlantis were doing it. Though I will grant you that the extent of the interconnecting plots wasn't as big as it was in Doctor Who (no big climax happening in both shows), but each show did feed into each other in ways that wasn't problematic if you only watched one show (*cough* unlike the Arrowverse). And I'm aware that Stargate wasn't the first to do it either. Star Trek was doing it, and so was Buffy/Angel. I just don't know to what extent as I don't stan those shows. (big Stargate stan). I do agree with you that the original Stargate film kinda sucks though, I much prefer the series.@@FullFatVideos
@boo453 you got good taste....origins though sucked
I mean the UNIT show is basically 100% coming
I didn't start watching Doctor who until after the RTD era. I'm really really am forever disappointed that I missed out on watching this all evolved in real time. I can't believe there's a chance I get to see it. Something that really has bothered me about the last decade of Doctor who is how long it took between each season. The 60th is coming up and it doesn't even really feel like it's been another 10 years because there were so few seasons there should be another 10 seasons by now but there's not. There's only 13
I started by watching new who on Netflix and goddamn was that the way to go. Up until the end of capaldi I've loved the show, but it would've been awesome if I'd had the opportunity or at least was aware of the show when I was younger. Seeing all of that live would've been great
12:10 reminds me of the state of where i live (Western Washington). 10 years ago i had no problem going for a walk at night, now I'm cautious about doing it during the day. Plus all the theft i whitnessed over just the past year at my local Safeway. Younger me wouldn't believe it. Does anyone know of a safe and prosperous place to live? Id love yo move :(
The spin-off I would most want to see is the Paternoster Gang. Second to that would be River Song, but she is best when paired with the Doctor.
Yeah river wouldn't be very interesting solo, most of her character appeal is her relation with the doctor, though that does leave other aspects of her open for exploration. I don't get why moffat didn't make any spin-offs when he had a ton of solid characters to work with
Bit of a stretch, but as a whovian I am obliged to agree
At long last… it’s Christmas!
I got that reference
Godzilla Showa Era definitely did it first and really well. With King Ghidorah as the Thanos. Heisei Godzilla was way better though.
holy finally
Long have you waited
Is it me or is he about to regenerate
*I’m sure if Elizabeth Sladen was still alive then the Sarah Jane Adventures would have run until at least 2015/2016.*
Didnt they announce a UNIT spin off? Was that a rumour?
Just a rumour… for now
If they do 1 I think jus be kate Stewart. I doubt we have cameos from new who now 😂
this video taught me that British people call the aughts the “naughties”
Tbf I did get into doctor who through Sarah Jane adventures as well 😂
Wow that’s mad! But I’m glad you did
Given how badly Marvel handles time travel, i would have put them in the Moffatt era
Moffat was good 😰
multiple doctors showing up in SJA is very funny in retrospect because child me had no idea who they were. who is that man
Did you watch SJA first?!
@@FullFatVideos yeah, it was on CBBC! plus nobody in my family watched doctor who until jodie whittaker's doctor was announced