My NEW Dutch Shepherd - First time OUT Pt. 2

I agree

Absolutely. What I love about him is that he's not a KZhead trainer. He's a real trainer and an all-around awesome person and happens to post content on KZhead

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Thank the german shepherd

That was going to be my question as well. I know it’s hard to control barking in a kennel 100% of the time but I wondered if it didn’t hype up an already hyped up dog?

I should note that these are primarily pets and not expect to preform at the level of any actual working dog, and by “yard security” I mean bark at crack heads lurking in the ally near my wall, and alert me to trespassers. The Mix is a Shar-pei, smooth fox terrier, Mountain Feist. So they are 45lbs, jump 6ft block wall fences, higher for chain. I put up fence extension but might need to make the wire “hot” after they retired the neighbors cat.

@@ca2129 no you are not expecting too much as long as the dog has the drive for it. If they have food or ball drive and a receptive to handlers then you can train them to do pretty much anything. For example, one of my dogs is a wonderful level-headed little angel. Zero food drive and no motivation to do anything but smile at people and other pets. I could never get him to work a day in my life. My other dog looks a lot like mace though. He's a German Shepherd Malinois American Pitbull Terrier mix. He has all the desire to do whatever I want him to do and ball drive so yes I could train him. So that's just my point. You're not wasting your time if the dog has the desire to interact with you and has some type of Drive. If it doesn't work out with those dogs you could always get a working German Shepherd Malinois Dutch Shepherd or a mix of all three. That's what mace is pretty much by the way he's a very selectively bred X herder. But these dogs want to work for people that's why they're used

@@primalcritters thanks Primal! Mine definitely have high pray drive. Little interest in the ball, and will work for treats at the house but when I have them out and about in urban environments they go straight to hunt mode, which is fine for when we go out to practice that, but I’m having trouble turning it off when it’s a non permissive environment. Admittedly I have been pulling back on correcting them, because it is behavior that I want just not at that moment, and the danger for cats.

My opinion (not worth much) is that it depends on where you get the dog. If you get the dog from a shelter definitely male ‘cause females tend to be nervier and you could find 10 stable males for every 1 stable female. If you get the dog from a reputable breeder as a puppy, probably female. It also depends on the breed. (i.e a male English Labrador would arguably be better than a female, but a female Malinois would be better than a male.) The biggest difference in my experience takes place before 2 years old ‘cause canine puberty works similarly to humans. The males will get more aggressive and get frustrated around females who’re in heat, and the females lose energy.

Ok thanks for letting me know 👍

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I have no issues with it, great with kids. Key is to socialize them from a very young age (get a pup). Make sure you can exhaust them daily. It is not for everyone, greetings from holland 😉

Working dogs are the WORST for companion and family purposes. GSD, Cattle dogs, Australian sheps, Border Collies etc...stay away. You may get lucky but usually those type of dogs do MUCH better on a farm or in a work setting.

@@adamm5054 There are no worst dogs, there are terrible owners tho. On my third dutch now, never had a single problem.

A lot of people seem to want a strong protective dog like a Malli or Dutchie as a family dog because they are strong etc... But a working dog aren't really family dogs. The question is, can you give them a lot of time and walks etc... Yes a working dog may be able to be a good family dog, but obviously less likely. Look at Mace, how much work would it be to see if he will ever be a family dog? Would you trust him with children or other pets?

Not a dumb question. Purebred Malinois or Dutch Shepherd are much finer boned dogs they are lighter and as a result more agile. Because they have not been over bred to the degree that the German Shepherd has due to popularity they are still very healthy because over breeding incorrectly can cause many problems. So in essence, a Dutch Shepherd or a Malinois is very similar to a working German shepherd yet different. Malinois I would say are a little more playful, working German Shepherds are definitely more serious dogs. Dutch Shepherds are somewhere in between, and almost all have Belgian in their pedigree to resuscitate the breed and even working GSD back in the day as well. If you're looking for a pet or family protector I would recommend a working line German Shepherd with a medium drive not too high because it might be too much dog for you, or a Belgian Malinois working German Shepherd mix. Belgians are also amazing, but get from a balanced breeder because they might be just too much energy for the average homeowner and drive you nuts. There are plenty of them sometimes they're just advertised as Belgian Malinois but they're out there. Working German Shepherds just have a better off switch. They're more of an all-around utility dog jack of all trades and it can come rest in the home and be with the family and protect the family. Belgian Malinois are great dogs but the best ones are ones from good breeders that try not to breed dogs that are too neurotic. That is the biggest issue with the breed. But there are a lot of great pluses as well. They make great working dogs for that reason. They want to go go go go and they're very pattern cognizant. Kind of like OCD in a person, they have it in the dog and that is why they are so great at working because they want to get it right every time. Working line German Shepherd or more forgiving and easier dogs to live with. Basically most of the working in military dogs are a mixture of the three shepherd breeds and then sometimes even more. The purebreds are much more thin and lean dogs. Not as thick as this dog, but a working line German Shepherd is still meatier and as a result less agile. They are agile, but a Malinois/Dutch has a better build for agility. If you're getting a show line Dutch Shepherd they look very different from this dog. If you're getting a working line Dutch shepherd, like this dog, it is basically an x herder. Purebred Malinois or purebred Dutch Shepherds are very fine boned dogs with narrow, conical heads. They're nervier and more neurotic than working line German shepherds. That's why the mixture is so good. Balancing the dog in both ability and mind. Show or pet line German Shepherds really aren't part of the working dog world. Working line German Shepherds if you look them up you'll see the difference. They have much larger heads and they are much more substantial looking dogs. Bigger heads more bone etc. Usually Sable or black. Beautiful dogs. Working lines of dutchie or Malinois are bigger because they mix them. That's why they're called X Malinois or X herder. They are mix of Dutch shepherd, Belgian malinois, working line German shepherd, and even other breeds like mastiffs and American pitbull terrier. The dog in the picture you see is a German Shepherd Malinois Pitbull Terrier mix. Some people might think he's a purebred black malinois. He's absolutely not. He doesn't have the narrow conical muzzle of a dutchie or Mal. He's more muscled in body not as fine bound. Bigger chest cavity. Most of the working dogs are basically very selectively bred Shepherd mixes. They can look like a Malinois because Fawn is dominant unless you're breeding Sable to Sable. The Dutch Shepherds & Mals from Holland also add Mastiffs or apbt & WL German Shepherd. That's how they're getting the size the bone the bigger chest cavity, the larger head bigger cheeks bigger bite. Retain the agility and tenacity of the Dutch Shepherd or malinois, but add the stable nerves and the size of the German shepherd. And then other breeds. Right now there's a stud dog and Holland that was just bred to a Presa canaria. They will breed them back to Malinois or Dutch shepherd. One day puppies will come to the states and people will swear they have a 95 lb purebred Malinois or Dutch Shepherd. No it's not purebred. It's a very selectively bred working dog. They do have pedigrees. They just don't care about AKC bs. A good example is a lady named alligator mom. She has four malinois. Her latest one crisis is a female. She has working German Shepherd in her pedigree because I know her lineage. She's also from Holland and you can see the difference. Next to her male malinois, her female is much larger, has a nicer head more bone bone etc. That's from the working German Shepherd. All three beats are great. They do similar jobs only differently. My favorite dog is a blend of all three.

@@primalcritters Actually, Belgian shepherds were the preferred dogs to bring Dutch shepherds back from the brink of extinction. I’d imagine if you’re finding gsd in a Dutch shepherd’s lineage, this is more than likely the result of purpose breeding than it is mistake.

@@shawneboy you are right. I'm talking about way way way back in the day they used German Shepherds to resuscitate the breed. Or German Shepherds as well as belgians

I would also add don't listen to all this team Malinois/Dutch or team German shepherd bs. They're both wonderful breeds that do similar jobs differently. There are pros and cons to each. A working Malinois can be way too much energy for the average owner. A working line German Shepherd can be as well, but they tend to have a better off switch than Malinois. Generally, working German Shepherds look more intimidating because they are just built heavier, but it doesn't mean a Malinois is not just as capable. The main reason why departments are switching from working German Shepherds to Mals and Dutch Shepherds is because it's easier to find Mal's and dutches that are still working dogs, whereas gsds have such a huuuge variety because they are so damn popular. Malinois have also retained their health because they have not been over bred...yet. they are also lighter dogs with shorter coats and easier to transport and can tolerate heat and long work hours better. You don't need a 100 lb dog to do work. Also, Malinois have less self-preservation than a GSD does. Malinois react and working German Shepherds think before they react. This lack of self-preservation is excellent for military and police dogs because they need dogs that will do anything regardless of the danger to themselves. The statement that a Malinois/Dutch is a GSD on crack is kind of true. It's a lot of energy and working German Shepherds already have a plenty of energy so it can be a lot for the average person to handle. I love both breeds. Personally I like the mixture the most when done correctly. I like the longer legs of the Malinois and a tighter coat and Zeal for life, but I like the stability of nerves, more steadfast disposition, less Handler reactivity, and the overall look of the working gsd. Personally, I think a working line male GSD & a female Malinois make very nice puppies. Look up buddy from Blackjack Malinois in the states. He's got the head of the working German shepherd, bone in between Malinois and German shepherd, the off switch of a German Shepherd which is why he's a better personal protection dog, and the square build of the Malinois. They also have another Malinois that I'm sure has Mastiff back in his pedigree. His head is very wide and a shorter muzzle. He's thicker as well. Sorry to go on and on but I really love the mixture of the shepherd breeds.

there can be a major difference between these breeds, from experience Duchies require lots of exercise and mental activity they also always act crazy with energy and can be extremely stubborn at times.

There will be one some day. Mine was a golden retriever who nearly took my face off. Owner brought him in cuz he was “stubborn”. They never told anyone he was a biting machine. And they had to use heavy duty firemen’s gloves to handle him.

He's big because he's an x herder. These are not purebred Dutch Shepherds remember they are the knpv line. They mix in other breeds to increase size and bone as you can see on this dog. He definitely has working German Shepherd back in his pedigree somewhere and I wouldn't be surprised if he has American Pitbull terrier. It's very common. A current stud dog in Holland was bred to a Presa canario. Then they'll breed the puppies back to dutchie or Malinois and then people will think they have a purebred malinois. All the working Malinois and Dutch Shepherds are really X Mals and X herders and the X stands for extra. Blackjack Malinois in the United States has some stud dogs you can see. They called him Malinois but they are really X malinois. Buddy is one of my favorites. He has the really solid nerves like a working line German Shepherd the head of a working line German Shepherd, the bone almost as much as a German shepherd (thicker bones not as light and fine boned like purebred Mals or dutchies), but the body of a malinois. Look him up you'll see exactly what I mean. The Breeders know it they don't care they know what they're doing. They're just trying to breed the best working dogs

@@primalcritters Not ALL working Mal/Dutch are mixed. Most sure, but there are some pure breeders that produce consistent working dogs and have contracts doing so. Both domestic to the US and imported.

@@jfkst1 yes you are right. It's just more rare I would say. I remember there was a buyer from India trying to get dogs for their government and they had a strict rule that they needed FCI only and most people say what the heck how are you going to find that why is your government being so stupid and restrictive? So yes there are purebreds working but generally they are well pedigreed working dogs. To be frank, I think that they should open up the working line German Shepherd stud book and incorporate Malinois and Dutchies to create a working German Shepherd that has longer legs, less angulation, and a slightly shorter back. I love all three breeds, but I really like the herder mixes with WL GSD when done right. And I'm not downgrading mixing the breeds. I think it increases genetic diversity and is better. I think good dogs from all the shepherd breeds should be utilized. And sometimes even other breeds

@@primalcritters The highest quality imported dogs I've seen are from Eastern European herders. Less consistent than KNPV, but really extreme. They aren't KNPV mixed types, rather all herder mixes of GSD/Mal/Dutch. You can see the difference in the two. I've heard KNPV are much more reserved in exporting their higher quality dogs whereas some EE countries (Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia) are far more willing. EE is also less deliberate in tracking lineages too where the lower consistency likely comes from.

@@jfkst1 very interesting and I agree. For sure the best dogs are kept in Holland unless you really have an in with a good supplier. And I'm sure that the Eastern European countries are more willing to export is probably due to their economies. I would love to see these dogs and compare.

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That makes no sense. It's a raw dog that needs structure. Nothing wrong with that dog.

@@NCHeel its adolescent with frame. don't cop out and say that makes no sense. better train him fast times ticking.

@@NCHeel Right? I don’t understand what he’s means by “go in the field”. Is he saying you need to euthanize a dog who takes a dump in the grass instead of a toilet?

@@naturallycurlyhair4413 or just dump him in a field to die because he is a strong working dog who needs guidance-but is mistaking him for an aggressive dog that will eventually be put down?? I used to live in a very high puppy mill area. The pups that didn’t sell were put in the farm fields and shot, then run over with the tractors.