Namibia's Nama seek recognition of Hornkranz Massacre as genocide | DW News

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In Namibia, Herero and Nama communities have been commemorating the 120 years since the genocide of their forefathers by colonial forces.
They held a memorial procession in the town of Luderitz, in what's now an annual ceremony. In 2021, Germany's government apologized for the killings, which made up the first genocide of the 20th century, as German soldiers wiped out tens of thousands of Herero and Nama people. But these brutal events were not the first of their kind by the Germans.
Over a decade earlier - on April 12, 18-93 - colonial troops attacked a Nama settlement and killed dozens of residents. Today, Nama descendants want the Hornkranz Massacre, as it's known, recognized as the first genocide against their forefathers.
00:00 Intro and report
02:41 DW speaks with Sima Luipert of the Nama Traditional Leaders Association
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  • it's respectable than a german news channel is speaking about this

    @happyhippo5488@happyhippo548819 күн бұрын
    • We learned about it in school, 7th grade, just before ww1. Its not like nobody knows about it or someones trying to hide that, like the common practice is in world society to not own up to genocides. I mean they happen everywhere. Still today. We should talk much more about that.

      @geddinixan255@geddinixan25519 күн бұрын
    • ​@@geddinixan255 But it took Germany a century to recognise its genocide.

      @withoutshadowww@withoutshadowww18 күн бұрын
    • Finally Dueche exposed, they have tried 99ways to hide it. anyway its came out. I remember Once AJ had brought this out.

      @HunterGatherer90@HunterGatherer9018 күн бұрын
    • @@withoutshadowww Finally Dueche exposed, they have tried 99ways to hide it. anyway its came out. I remember Once AJ had brought this out.

      @HunterGatherer90@HunterGatherer9018 күн бұрын
    • @@geddinixan255 She's not talking about what you learn in school, but about the first time it happen, at the end of the 19 century.

      @SuperAppt@SuperAppt16 күн бұрын
  • Respect for DW for recognizing It

    @okwatever3582@okwatever358219 күн бұрын
    • Finally Dueche exposed, they have tried 99ways to hide it. anyway its came out. I remember Once AJ had brought this out.

      @HunterGatherer90@HunterGatherer9018 күн бұрын
  • When will the world remember the Genocide of Igbos, before and during the Nigeria-Biafran war, aided and supported by Britain, Russia, Egypt, UN & OAU.

    @Luk_O@Luk_O17 күн бұрын
  • There is also Yemen and Gaza. Humans are weird

    @Dangic23@Dangic2319 күн бұрын
    • Gaza is not a genocide. Hamas, endorsed by the palestinians, is emphatically terrorist, brutal and inhumane.

      @sharmilakalain7549@sharmilakalain754917 күн бұрын
  • Congrats DW, I didn’t know you could report on other global conflicts besides Palestine

    @AshesOfTheKing@AshesOfTheKing17 күн бұрын
  • "genocide is a proses not an event..."

    @user-ib3mh7su8h@user-ib3mh7su8h19 күн бұрын
    • and we are currently in a "process" but no one can call it by its name.

      @Flickvids100@Flickvids10019 күн бұрын
    • This is one event of many that happened to the Herero and Nama communities. It is estimated that between 24,000 and 100,000 Hereros and 10,000 Nama were killed in the genocide over 4-years (1904-1908).

      @BimRen246@BimRen24619 күн бұрын
    • @@BimRen246 you know African nations fight also each other right? , they don't ask for money for that :))

      @vladnickul@vladnickul19 күн бұрын
    • @@BimRen246 I am very sad to hear this..

      @user-ib3mh7su8h@user-ib3mh7su8h19 күн бұрын
    • ​@@vladnickulmuzungu or coconut to make that statement

      @lacinabakayoko4634@lacinabakayoko463418 күн бұрын
  • Asking for recognition, or even reparations from Germany, is fairly justified. But asking that from the whole of Europe? Nama massacre might very well be the first genocide of the 20th century. Rusyn genocide, noted for its first usage of concentration camps in Europe, is the first one to happen in WW1. To this day, it hasn't been recognized by Austria or Hungary, the two countries which share the burden in its perpetration. How justified is it to ask reparations of people who've likewise faced colonization and genocide (or, for that matter, whose ancestors didn't perpetrate either one)?

    @vladimirskala@vladimirskala19 күн бұрын
  • These comments trying to minimize what happened- what is wrong with you?

    @davee2056@davee205618 күн бұрын
    • I'm only criticizing that this article suggests that this topic isnt discussed and there was no effort made yet by germany for compensation. Thats simply not true. And the timing is implying that we cant talk about genocides happening today in this second as we chat. Its just sad seeing it happening over and over again.

      @geddinixan255@geddinixan25518 күн бұрын
  • Maybe you can learn to RECOGNIZE a genocide when you see it. Apparently not because...Gaza, right?

    @Flickvids100@Flickvids10019 күн бұрын
  • Are they asking for South Africa's reparations as well?

    @yomajo@yomajo18 күн бұрын
    • No justice no peace

      @lacinabakayoko4634@lacinabakayoko463418 күн бұрын
  • Did you know the defeated people must pay the winners compensation even if you defend yourself. So fight by anymeans.

    @zolisamaine3518@zolisamaine351817 күн бұрын
  • Yeah, so I wouldn’t say that Russia visit to Namibia one month ago has nothing to do with this ridiculous demand.

    @sockhal4595@sockhal459519 күн бұрын
    • Thanks for pointing out that coincidence, it didnt pop into my newsfeed so didn’t know/hear.

      @mashkanyc@mashkanyc19 күн бұрын
    • Anyway I’m sure it’s just a total coincidence like October 7th being putins birthday.. nothing to see here, move along folks! 🤔🫣🤣

      @mashkanyc@mashkanyc19 күн бұрын
    • What on earth is wrong with you? Am a Namibian and there was no Putin... Pay our people, you exploited them.

      @passingby1425@passingby142519 күн бұрын
    • Something is wrong with your head to connect Russia with that.

      @fada3399@fada339919 күн бұрын
  • And now 🇩🇪 is helping 🇮🇱 create another one in the 21st century. 🇩🇪 always on the wrong side of history.

    @timmy-wj2hc@timmy-wj2hc19 күн бұрын
    • There are five times more Palestinians alive today than than in 1970, kinda weak genocide if you ask me.

      @hermanspaerman3490@hermanspaerman349018 күн бұрын
  • "Genocide," just like the word "racist," has very quickly become the most used word that the bulk of users have no idea as to its meaning.

    @KIA-MIA-POW@KIA-MIA-POW19 күн бұрын
    • So go ahead and enlighten us and tell us what it means. It should be a very interesting explanation considering "Between 1904 and 1908, more than 80% of the Herero population and 50% of the Nama population of Namibia were killed by German soldiers."

      @K...O....quake..@K...O....quake..19 күн бұрын
    • ​@K...O....quake.. This, in case it has escaped you, is social media. Not university challenge. One is sure that your mother is calling you to go clean your room... It doesn't take much intelligence to copy and paste from Wikipedia...

      @KIA-MIA-POW@KIA-MIA-POW19 күн бұрын
    • @@K...O....quake..under legal definitions I think you’d be able to kill 90% of a group and it not qualify as genocide as odd as that sounds ngl (Not saying it should ever be done just under legal definitions theoretically it could occur, idk enough about this case to say if it was or isn’t one) Aware that there are genocides that aren’t legally classified as them especially ones that the Russian, Chinese and American governments have committed.

      @raquetdude@raquetdude19 күн бұрын
    • Lol divert topic bec you can't clarify your original comment🤡

      @rizeanavas04@rizeanavas0419 күн бұрын
    • @@KIA-MIA-POW deflections and ad hominem because you have no rebuttal. Peabrain behavior.

      @ziggy8036@ziggy803619 күн бұрын
  • A good explanation of how genocide is a process but an event, thank you!

    @ThePlayerOfGames@ThePlayerOfGames19 күн бұрын
  • dw not interested in the biggest current genocide

    @user-vu3xp3oz2o@user-vu3xp3oz2o19 күн бұрын
    • There are five times more Palestinians alive today than than in 1970, kinda weak genocide if you ask me.

      @hermanspaerman3490@hermanspaerman349018 күн бұрын
  • human shields

    @problemsolver3254@problemsolver325419 күн бұрын
  • 78 of them women and children. Imagine now 15.000 children. Oh, right, we don't talk about that.

    @Flickvids100@Flickvids10019 күн бұрын
    • That’s called an unfortunate strike on Hamas where Hamas specifically uses human shields without a second thought and blamed Israel. Elections have consequences

      @DivorcedHedgehog@DivorcedHedgehog19 күн бұрын
    • 78 women were killed in one day. It isn't the only day the Germans murdered our people on a mass scale but it happened over a very long time, to a point that we are now a minority tribe in our own country. Both the Palestinian and Nama/Herero losses are atrocities and one should not be perseved as "less than".

      @mariomochez@mariomochez19 күн бұрын
    • Its just frustrating as someone who is socialized in modern germany that we can debate whole day about what our ancestors did wrong but we dont talk about what goes wrong today. Like how can we let this happen? Does nobody see the patterns? Why we learn about this in school and this article acts like it was something hidden? Its like we are allowed to remember but not to learn its just sad. May the courts bring justice. And if its a hundred years or so later.

      @geddinixan255@geddinixan25519 күн бұрын
    • How many Hamas members have been killed?

      @user-th4ri8dt9s@user-th4ri8dt9s19 күн бұрын
    • What’s not talked about is the Israeli children murderd by the Palestinians oct7

      @JeffEbe-te2xs@JeffEbe-te2xs19 күн бұрын
  • The way the battle was presented in the video makes it look and sound like the men ran and hid behind the women and children of the settlement … and also didn’t come to try to rescue them after the saw the Germans entering the settlement and starting their operation. hopefully that was not what actually happened

    @mashkanyc@mashkanyc19 күн бұрын
    • Thinking exactly that. Do you go behind the person you try to protect just hoping your enemy has decency? Risky move, if you ask me.

      @Flickvids100@Flickvids10019 күн бұрын
    • ​@@Flickvids100well, it was the Nama assuming humanity where there was none. It's easy to judge by our lens, where we know men can be soulless and you must trust no appearances. Harder to do that when all you and your ancestors have encountered are other humans.

      @mellowInventor@mellowInventor19 күн бұрын
    • @@mellowInventor I never judged. I said it was risky.

      @Flickvids100@Flickvids10019 күн бұрын
  • Dam Germans

    @Peter-kk6rg@Peter-kk6rg17 күн бұрын
  • In the meantime, Adrian Zenz accused China genocide in Xinjiang, straight from his keyboard even without collecting site evidences.

    @TheKkpop1@TheKkpop119 күн бұрын
    • People who escaped from Chinese CCP tells the story

      @ceasar8679@ceasar867918 күн бұрын
  • I can't help but wonder how many German veterans of this particular atrocity went on to become members of the National Socialist German Workers Party. That would make for an interesting research paper. And a quite sobering one!

    @josephthomasjr.6551@josephthomasjr.655119 күн бұрын
    • See you failed school

      @JeffEbe-te2xs@JeffEbe-te2xs19 күн бұрын
  • And it is happening now in Palastine and the world is turning a blind eye. Down with racism and apartheid

    @tshiamomatshaba9443@tshiamomatshaba944319 күн бұрын
    • It is? There is a campaign to exterminate an entire ethnic group there?

      @mikicerise6250@mikicerise625019 күн бұрын
  • the Palestinian Genocide is ongoing.. the Rwanda Genocide was ongoing.. but i think all wars triggered by geopolitics and natural ressources must be considered genocides.. listen what Netanyahu just said on TV: "the International Criminal Court has no authority over the state of Israel". it's his very words recorded on 30 april 2024. then the same day, the stunning answer of Vedant Patel, US State Department deputy spokesperson: "we do not believe that the ICC has juristriction over this issue". there, everything has been said. this resumes the entire history of modern justice.

    @joshowen9054@joshowen905419 күн бұрын
    • There are five times more Palestinians alive today than than in 1970, kinda weak genocide if you ask me.

      @hermanspaerman3490@hermanspaerman349018 күн бұрын
  • We throw the term genocide around way too lightly. Tragic loss of life does not equate to genocide. You disrespect the victims of actual genocide when you call every instance of a large amount of people getting killed a “genocide”

    @rorytribbet6424@rorytribbet642419 күн бұрын
  • When we can't talk about the 21st century we live in, let's talk about the 20th!

    @netizencapet@netizencapet19 күн бұрын
  • Dw news, are you becoming mute when us students are protesting to us gov over gaza killing and being persecuted by us police??? When hk students are protesting in hk, you and other western media broadcasted it day and night 😂😂😂.

    @Ramli_K@Ramli_K19 күн бұрын
    • Who do u think owns the media

      @bunaithegohiomlan4867@bunaithegohiomlan486719 күн бұрын
    • @@bunaithegohiomlan4867 must be the same group who control the US media 😀

      @Ramli_K@Ramli_K19 күн бұрын
    • Because students protesting hass little to do with the victoms but more to do with ill feelings towards israel . If not you would also be protesting for ukraine , sudan , yemen , assyrians , kurds , etc ....

      @roeci6@roeci619 күн бұрын
    • There's this thing called the search function. DW has reported on it, interviewing mostly faculty for background which didn't parrot the government line.

      @aoeuable@aoeuable17 күн бұрын
  • Germany 🇩🇪 genocide 😮

    @speakup18@speakup1819 күн бұрын
  • South Africa 🇿🇦 support Palestine 🇵🇸 Canada 🇨🇦 support Israel 🇮🇱 Respect South Africa 🇿🇦 Shame on Canada 🇨🇦 Free Palestine 🇵🇸

    @GladiatorDravenADC@GladiatorDravenADC19 күн бұрын
    • South africa , the country that pulled out the red carpet for a sudanese dictator whum is responsible for the loss of life surounding over 200 thousend darfurian people . Nice .

      @roeci6@roeci619 күн бұрын
    • Forgiveness is spell.the literature book call Bible put spell on melanted Carbonated people, slave obey your master's, turn your left check, love your enemies,because your skin you was born in sin,one of the main songs in the church lord wash me and I shall be whiter than snow.

      @lacinabakayoko4634@lacinabakayoko463418 күн бұрын
  • Lies

    @62Cristoforo@62Cristoforo19 күн бұрын
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