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Der Kunstler als Krimineller
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Interesting, art for the people, people for the art. The context seems just as relevant today as it did a hundred years ago.
as a german who is quite interested in art, i was of course aware of the existence of this painting, but this whole part of its history was completely new to me. thanks for sharing - the discussion about ulay's performance should definitely come up in education here in germany, because the topic is still at least as relevant as it was back then
As much as I hope that stolen art is never seriously damaged or lost, I can't help but find it interesting or cool when famous art gets stolen. it's vandalism, but stealing art is, in my opinion, a work of art. you give the artwork a whole new name, status, and value. Another example of vandalism, but with the same effect as stealing famous art, is the Van Gogh painting that was smeared with tomato soup. Because this happened, the painting gained a new status and value and attracted many more eyes. It is like performance art.
The only place where my vast ignorance is a source of joy and not distress is this channel. I love learning about art works i've never heard about with you. Thank you and keep up the good work! 😊
Your vast beauty attracts me if that means anything to you.
*I AM PLEASED I LIVE IN A WORLD* where a channel like this is about to hit 500k subs...
That painting, in its own right, would have appeal to those who knew poverty.
Looking at this piece as a Hong Konger immideatly gave me cage home ptsd... I thought its about poverty
Not sure how the picture was viewed back then but, as a German, this is the first time I've seen it. There are tons of more famous paintings in Germany
Huh, wonder how they got there?
Amazing! Again such high quality content, but the story is so important. Thank you.❤
my heart became that of a poet after hearing this.
It reminded me of the Chilean documentary "Stealing Rodin", which tells the story of a similar event that occurred in Santiago in 2005. Highly recommended!
very cool thank u for making this
This is awesome
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Thank you!
Thanks!
Wonderful video!
Brilliant
very nice!
Thanks
I think there is something in this performance piece that is also relevant to the discussion of its themes that may not have been intended by the artist. You mentioned that the family whose home the painting was brought to thought the cameras were there for a documentary. So I assume they were not fully, if at all, involved in the planning of the performance. This too speaks to great lengths about the state of people with a migrant background and other marginalized groups, in Germany and elsewhere: if their situation is ever discussed, it is seldomly on eye level with them. They're talked about, not with. They're treated as the subject of discussion, not the experts on the matter that should lead the discourse.
the stealing of the painting was beautiful
So damn close to 500K my man, your so close!
I get it.
The poor poet painting was actually stolen again and has not been returned. Fortunately the artist painted a near duplicate and so it can still be seen. I think it's kind of a funny portrait but I don't think it's great.
this is it
Is there somewhere online one can see Ulay's full film?
"deserve"? Seems an odd word chocie.
"performance"
I'm german and I've never seen this painting oops
A public painting made private. In all seriousness, I understand the good intentions but the idea of something being accessible to all being treated as “bourgeois” by progressive people needs to be explained to me. If it was highly restrictive in viewing or privately held I’d appreciate this act more. Also, about the national identity aspect, the painting itself seems to have very little to do with German identity, and if anything it criticizes living conditions of Germans of the time. Even If the fascia misinterpreted it or liked it for whatever reason, I don’t see how an assault on it would be justified unless it espoused their beliefs, which it doesn’t seem to have done. If Ulay wanted to target an expensive Richard Wagner opera, I could get behind it.
But isn't that the point? He's targeting a painting Germans can relate to, and hangs it up in the homes of people they refuse to acknowledge and treat poorly. Plus, the painting was probably stolen in a time when there were probably no discounts or something of the sort for poor Germans and definitely not for migrants, making these museums only accessible to those who can afford it, aka the middle class and higher.
ifl artists are pretty chill about attacks on art works in principle, but has any one wailing about any Prescious National Painting themselves picked up a paintbrush or whatever (although of course i know a hitler certainly did😆)
you didn't say how much time he got for stealing!
Thanks for bringing this art intervention to our attention. You are dismissive of The Poor Poet. Please consider this painting by the Romantic artist Carl Spitzweg as the German Norman Rockwell of the mid 19th century. Of course this type of genre painting would be popular. A clear, easy-to-understand narrative is appealing to the general public. However, there is a gentle humour in the way Spitzweg pokes fun at the notion of 'mind over matter.' The fact that Hitler allegedly favoured this painting (and Spitzweg's art in general) does not necessarily rubbish the work. It obviously does not fall within the Degenerate Art category which Hitler loathed.
I think a certain mustache guy made it tabooo to steal art in Germany
Imagine sitting silent for a minute and calling yourself an artist. I just don't get it and don't want to get it.
You assume sitting silent for a minute equals doing nothing. But she is actively paying attention to her guests. If you try to look someone in the eye for a minute, and I have, it is actually quite the experience. Especially if it is a stranger. It's a brilliant performance about human connection even though it didn't require any formal skill from her. But then again, you proudly admitted that you refuse to change your mind
An amusing stunt but the reasoning behind the theft is risible and it's unfortunate there is such a low threshold in the art world when it comes to accepting with little to no scrutiny.
Always enjoy your excellent videos, but you have inflated the importance of this work. Making too many claims for minor works only diminishes our understanding of how art functions in its wider social and cultural nexus. But an interesting video all the same.
Wow, that's such a philanthropic idea! We take an important symbol of national identity and deny its purpose by universalizing it, ultimately devaluing the idea of national identity itself. Any cultural characteristics one develops as a byproduct of being born and raised in their birthplace is now immediately shared by anyone paying rent in that region, regardless of origin - "german culture" then becomes a meaningless proxy for the world at large. Very progressive. Now, I wonder how those same Turkish patriots, who are so intent on declaring their nationalist fever from their apartments in Berlin, would feel about famous Ottoman paintings being stolen and framed in the apartments of German expats living in Ankara. Rather, how would YOU feel?
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What is argument? The idea of sharing a symbol of national identity and including people that moved to a country after the symbol was created itself is wrong because some turkish people may get upset about a hypothetical theft of ottoman art by germans in Ankara? Or are you saying that the sahring of national identity is in it of itself positive, but because the germans with turkish roots you presume to be able to speak for wouldn't share that sentiment according to you, we shouldn't do it? Even if every last turkish person in Turkey were upset at that hypothetical theft, what's stopping Germany from embracing the turkish people that live there? It would still be a good thing, not to marginalise them, no? And what about the history of Germans in Turkey and vice versa? Who constitutes a bigger group and who has been more marginalised? Could there be differences that factor into that equation?
National identity doesn't belong to a particular group of people though. Those Germans didn't just magically appear in that area; they too had to move there from elsewhere and took parts of their culture with them. A national identity is built upon. You can't devalue something that constantly changes over time. Eventually, these Turkish migrants will have children who are born and raised in Germany, thus making them natives as well. By isolating them from their place of birth, all you do is have them cling to a nationality they *can't relate to* aka Turkish.
‘Natives’ with an allegiance to a culture outside of and wholly different to that which was created in Central Europe over the millennia. The glibness of these comments is astounding.
Turkish identity: 500 years of opression of Eastern Europe at least. Should I mention the Armenian genocide?
You're taking nationalism to seriously. Should the historical reality of the Armenian genocide stop me from welcoming turkish people? Should I sumarilly blame turkish immigrant workers in Germany in the seventies or today for the Armenian genocide? I'm not talking about ignoring it, but I shouldn't blame them, no?
Those "Turkish" immigrants could very well have been Kurds.
The talk of people who are privileged tohave the education to understand an art gallery makes me appreciate your channel more 🫶🏻 you bring us wonderful explanations & interpretations of art where we might not have figured that out on our own (: