In this video I discuss how Summoning would affect skilling, PvM, PvP and the economy of Old School Runescape.
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You know what's worse than summoning? Raid shadow legends.
Lmao
Thank you
Dungeoneering?
I knew it!
At least someone said it lol
it wouldnt effect the inferno if you block familiars from entering (back in the day they werent allowed into the fight caves)
They still aren’t in RS3 for good reason too
But when the fight kiln came out, you were allowed to take them in. I used a steel titan to rush them for the onyx, which at the time was around 2.5m.
@@saagarmahalingam8448 ripper demon.
@@saagarmahalingam8448 I kinda figured familiars were allowed in fire cape 2. I still recall taking in my charlie the unicorn in there which was still overpowered. If summoning were to come to osrs though it'd be good and bad, If they dont allow certain familiars In certain areas, buff some familiars.. idk I just dont see summoning fitting into osrs
The Arcade Hub I see your point but, tell me a boss currently in OSRS where a familiar would be stronger then an alt acc?
“Could massively affect runecrafting”... yeah imagine having fair xp rates in runecrafting
Orsr is a grind
@@ard7976 that's the stockholm syndrome talking
Devalues the achievement
I agree. I mean I hate it. But think of all the ultimate iron men or others who have maxed RC.. and some who have ultra maxed it with like 50k/hr max rates. To suddenly see a 100 or 150k/hr method would suck a bunch. Put the game off balance and make veterans quit
@@Ser-- i dont care i just play the grind game without runlite or osb and got my diary cape week ago so,, search some more excuss, good luck!
Good work going on RS3, wearing replica armous and setting graphics to minimum for familiar clips lol. Very smart
Even tho I play RS3 I thought it was footage of 2012-13 rs.
@@adaidan1227 pretty sure priff wasnt around in 2012/13
@@Dottled I just started playing rs3 because of lockdown. I didnt know what priff was 2 months ago
@@adaidan1227 ah alright :P my bad, are you enjoying rs3 so far?
I could only tell from the newer highlight mechanic that they were modern clips.
I think it’s obvious you wouldn’t be able to take familiars into the inferno or fire cave
Summoning is far too overpowered to be added to Old School Runescape, who else agrees?
Yup
🙋♂️
Summoning would be wayyy to OP, I mean endless trips to bosses, yaks in gwd or dks would destroy them!
I would love to see summoning come to old school (they would have to change/nerf it a lot though)
do you really think they would add all the stuff like they are now in eoc? … ofc not…
As a kid back in 2008, I honestly just felt cool having a companion to fight along side me in summoning. I never used it for actual xp gain in other skills.
I remember just getting the wolf and thinking I was so cool, and then the first time I saw a steel titan it was nuts
Stock Name, yeah all the bag items. Plank sack, coal bag, etc. even in raid chests in ToB. The earliest big one, was the looting bag.
Probably because I was a grown up 13 year old, I hated it
Your telling me ZeoWorks the same people who made slendytubbies played Runescape? That's awesome!
Same
I feel like its important to note that RS3 actually has areas that summoning is restricted, notably bosses. You cannot summon in the Fight Caves just like you cannot cannon.
They definitely should bring back summoning
Something I actually enjoyed in RS was dungeoneering. It was kinda the only thing I played in RS.
same bro its was dope
It really was great a kind of mini raid that could offer fun and maybe while less efficient cheaper alternative to train difficult and demanding skills. Namely herblore
I still remember when it came out, huge new area next to the wilderness ahhh, good time
Similar to that try out the gauntlet and raids 1
Dungeoneering was extremely good for a couple years or more and then they changed everything. Now its the worst skill with little to no fun and 0% social.
I don’t think a new useful skill will ever be added to osrs. Any new skill will either be called OP because it will changes current methods or it will be obsolete on release because it doesn’t change the game enough.
OMG at 3:10 and 9:35 is me :O! I instantly recognized my old steel titan videos from 2011
I have one on my channel to, first fideo I made I think. Was a 1 def pure one hitting with 99 summoning :P
i'd like to see it shifted to focus mostly on skilling. It's sad that going the pvm route is the best method to obtain secondaries and skilling mats in general. PVM imo doesn't need any boosts, it's popular for its fun and profit. skilling could use some love lol. As far as pk'ing goes i know nothing about it so no idea what to do with it there.
Rakahz I’m sick of them only ever adding pvm content. The pvm players practically run the game. We need some new and lucrative stuff to do that isn’t just killing bosses 5000 times.
I like this idea. I wouldn't be opposed to summoning if it was skilling focused.
GarrulousGamer and skilling isn’t just doing the same task over and over again? The difference is bossing actually requires skill. There’s people that do raids that still haven’t learned zulrah and Vice versa. They really tried their best with the skilling boss zalcano and I loved it. But the god damn Venezuelans ruined it because within about two months they had bot scripts capable of getting all the skills and quests necessary for zalcano and then doing the actual boss. It was such good money and made you feel accomplished for getting all those skills and it was incentivized to get your mining up because your damage was based on it. Now they nerfed it so hard because of overpopularity that it’s basically dead content. It’s not even fair. I will say this though, the more mundane and repetitive the task, the less profitable and more bottable it will be. That’s why skilling bots are far more common than pvm bots. You can’t just force the market to be favorable for skilling so it can be profitable. And I think that’s pretty obvious in how even at the highest levels all skills are extremely low profit except smithing and hunter and I think the reasoning behind those two skills is quite obvious
You do know they cant add pvp stuff because us pvmers will vote no to every pvp update
BK BK proof that pure democracy is a failure
summoning gave the game a TON more depth, I loved it
DISCLAIMER: I totally agree that the Summoning skill is FAR too overpowered to bring into OldSchool without it receiving heavy nerfs. But as someone who had 99 Summoning back in RS3, I need to clarify a few things that Theoatrix failed to mention. When he said "the Steel Titan could deal almost more damage than a player could" is a COMPLETE falsehood. The Steel Titan could hit insanely high with it's special attack, yes, but it's accuracy and base attack speed were a lot lower than you think. The Steel Titan ABSOLUTELY DID NOT do as much damage as a player could. The familiars had a special ability bar, similar to your special attack bar in OSRS, which would limit how many times per minute you could use their respective scrolls. The Unicorn Stallion's ability to heal you would consume a large amount of your ability bar, meaning in places where you took a lot of damage very quickly (ie bossing activities) you would have to consume your Super Restores just to replenish your familiars ability bar so you could keep healing (this same concept also applied to the Pack Yak's banking ability, because that used a lot of ability points also). Familiars were never allowed inside the Fight Caves at ANY point in the skill's lifetime, so this same concept could be applied to the Inferno to preserve the integrity of the Inferno Cape. Corporeal Beast had a special ability where it could "consume" your familiar if you brought it into his lair (Corporeal Beast would do this within seconds pretty much every time). The Foraging Familiars such as the Granite Lobster would hardly forage enough items for you for them to be meaningful (for UIM's this would be pretty helpful, but for normal players, not so much). I used the Granite Lobster from 80-99 Fishing and the additional Sharks and Swordfish it gave me were pretty much negligible in terms of extra profit. Summoning was my absolute favorite skill back in the day, before the EoC came out and I quit. I think the skill could be a lovely addition to Oldschool but it'd be insanely hard to balance correctly. Personally I think the Beast of Burden familiars were the most overpowered and would probably just have to be removed from the skill altogether. The Healing familiars were the second most overpowered ones and these would definitely need pretty significant nerfs. But the combat familiars like Steel Titan were not nearly as broken as you might think, and they'd probably only need minor nerfs to be balanced.
great comment, i second all of this
yeah people go full reeeeee without ever having played when summoning was in game pre eoc or never got to high enough levels to understand the content restrictions. videos like this just reinforce idiots who parrot the false statements made in this video
I‘ll pass
I think that if the pets that already exist got put into categories like there were for summoning and there was a skill that slowly made the pets better until at 99 they could maybe be as effective as a player with 31 or 41 in all of their combat stats based on the speed of the pet's attack, though I would reduce the accuracy like the summoned familiars had.
Please quit. All you rs3 nerds playing osrs going to ruin it for us just like you did your shit game
I would personally be very happy to see summoning come back with some changes so it doesn’t shake the meta badly. I was really sad when my friends got me back into OSRS and there was no summoning. I always thought it was a cool skill
summoning is disabled in some areas btw.... and you cant use them at corp, fight cave and inferno
If you're referring to how Summoning works in RS3, you *can* use Summoning at corp and Fight Kiln (RS3 version of Inferno), though Corp literally eats familiars and heals from them so they're essentially a handicap. Hell, Fight Kiln was designed with Summoning in mind.
@@Diapolo10 corp eats and heals itself from any familiar you deploy in rs3.
Fettsack mit machete lol nice name!
@@comandernif I'm not sure what you're trying to clarify, that's exactly what I said.
@@Diapolo10 yeah because you edited it lol. you added what I said to your comment.
100% this guy has a stack of tortoise shells yak hides and dag hides
tortoises don't exist muttlord
@@Glaciatio um look up tortoises. they def do exist on osrs lol. they're by the gnome maze.
Lmao dead ass
Aadil Chaudhary lmao clown
Who's seen that picture of someone "rescuing" a tortoise... By putting back into the sea. *facepalm* They thought it was a turtle.
I think it's entirely possible to add it in. The problem is that when people hear "summoning" they immediately think of RS3 summoning jumping into OSRS. It would have to be a summoning made specifically for OSRS which would be a nice thing to add in and the familiars could have entirely different mechanics and areas they are allowed in to make them improve some of the games dying content. I think it would be fun to bring it back in it's own way.
Summoning was in the game long before RS3 though, so they could just use the exact same Summoning that it launched as.
@@dang476 I thought that at first but I think that osrs has built so much content without summoning in mind. It would be too overpowered as it stands but limiting it to areas and using the same familiars with tweaked abilities would work just fine. You just have to make sure the skilling and pvm content isn't dramatically changed.
Now that I have seen this I think summoning could actually add a lot of depth and strategy to the game. It is cool how it can be used in addition to optimize so many other skills.
Id rather engine improvements then another skill..
true, the engine needs some work or an epic upgrade. I would love to hit 60 FPS and get rid of the lagging in the UI.
You can hit 60fps and get rid of lag by installing runelite and turning on the fps plugin
@@PR0XIDIAN how about playing the actual game on official client instead of balacing new content around 3rd party garbage? and no, runelite is not QoL, the actual QoL is shift drop, F keys, world hop and so much more compared to the original version of the game.
@@PR0XIDIAN can you? Thought 50fps was the cap
Nais imagine getting mad about how other people like to play the game kekw. Jagex are happy for people to use Runelite, keeps the player base happy with stuff they should’ve fixed on their own years ago.
One thing I really liked about summoning was the training methods. The long time and money investment to gather the charms from various, otherwise dead, mobs, followed by a big money sink and a lot of exp. I would like something like that again, even if it wasn't summoning.
Couple points as someone who really enjoyed summoning back in the day (not that I'm currently for or against it in OSRS as the game is much different): Familiars would not make the Inferno easier because you weren't actually able to take a familiar in to the fight caves, so it's safe to assume that the same behaviour would be used for inferno (And potentially other instanced areas as well). Also every time you talk about familiars "making bosses easier" you showed footage of corp which to me implies that you may think corp would somehow be much easier with summoning. Back in the day corp would literally eats any familiar inside the boss room, instantly killing it... Just for anyone who reads this and didn't know that. Corp was a much more intimate boss back in the day because we had access to Enhanced Excalibur and Overloads, kills were slow because the only reliable stat reduction weapon was a BGS... So you'd pray melee instead of magic. The Statius Warhammer was very expensive and rarely used in comparison to the non-degradable Dragon Warhammer in OSRS which somewhat trivialises corp now.
Its difficult to say, i enjoyed summoning, got it to 99 and thought it to be really useful but it was extremely over powered. Just imagining using it in raids would open doors to player that couldnt do it before causing raid items to devalue immensely. I do believe a new skill needs to be introduced sooner or later, summoning wouldnt be bad if they completely rework it and limit where it can be used. Something eventually will be released, hopefully as a community we can agree to something that wont break the game
kind of a BS argument about inferno; familiars can just be disabled.
Ikr lmfao
Whole video about reasons how summoning is too powerful OP: “jUsT diSaBlE aT InFeRNo” Just Go back to rs3 kid 😂😂
@@ItsSunnyHere yes just disable at bosses and its fixed, your opinion is thrash you probably maxed acc so now scared that update will come out that will make easier for other people just stfu you old nevkbeard and go back to spending 2000hours skilling
@@ItsSunnyHere tbh, a lot of the arguments made in the video are complete fear mongering. The only things people used in summoning were terror birds, bunyips, fruit bats, unicorns, yaks and occasionally steel titans. It also doesn't mention that things like the unicorn heal uses it's special bar, and makes it sound like it can just be spammed. It can be disabled in raids and inferno like people have obviously mentioned, and future content can be designed around it. It isn't as broken as people like to pretend it was
2ZazZ if you have a problem with osrs being a Grindy game then you should just go play rs3. Summoning doesn’t belong is osrs. If you want the game die in the next 3 years then bring in summoning. It already killed the original game once for the players who are dedicated to the grind
Would like them to add to current skills. so many levels with nothing new. for example at 99 cooking i should be able to make sashimi. no fire needed.
Yeah but then you get into the argument on why waste time on creating content that will be dead on release.
Gotta do things radically different to rs3. Sailing, I know... It's like poking a dead dog, but honestly, if it's done right it could compliment the game nicely. Having a ship, that functions much like a player owned house, but it goes to new regions across the sea, the only way to get to these regions is via your ship. (opportunities for huge quest sagas, and potential for new currencies like tokkul for example) You could also have ship battles, it would need to be fully fleshed out content, otherwise the ship would simply be a transportation hub. You could have an option to find ship battle on the steering wheel, then your ship gets teleported to a fixed location in a instance, across the way is another players ship. Let the battle commence, there could be ballista on the ship depending on the players ranged level, magic shielding for magic, a small series of agility jumps to get to the enemy ship. Maybe a little island as a middle ground, king of the hill maybe? 5v5 matches, join a captains crew? So much potential to this idea, they already have a lot of the design foundations in place after dragon slayer 2!
@@WhoThisMonkey RS3 actually tried to fix boring and pointless skills like farming, mining and smithing. OSRS should at least add some benefit to skilling, other than needing to do it for a quest just to get Vorkath unlocked.
@@Blittsplitt5 It's not Jagex's fault you don't grasp the point of an MMO. The goal of the game is to get all 99s and finish all the content, why do you need a reward beyond that? It's not the mountains we conquer but ourselves. I like the grinds, they don't need fixing, that's what make runescape, runescape. I've been playing since 02, but what rs3 became, is an abomination, it's become an entirely different type of game, more like a hybrid between runescape and some cheap Chinese mmorpg.
@@WhoThisMonkey not everything in rs3 is terrible and you can look past the terrible to see the good in it.
I started playing right after Summoning. Honestly, I think it shouldn't be put into Old School. I like the vibe we've cultivated as-is.
This is why kids shouldn't vote, you wasn't there in the glory days before summoning before all the shit.
@@DBZ483 Cool but the "glory days" are 2008-2010 in my view. Pretty silly to have this argument anyway when our opinion is going to be a product of time.
@@bgregz I know what you're saying but the actual glory days were not 2008-2010 maybe your best days but not the most remembered and loved days of runes cape, plus I wasn't being to serious in my original comment lol but personally I don't think they should add it maybe at if they're gonna add a new skill let it be a completely new one but one that doesn't change the game drastically.
@@DBZ483 i am in agreement
@@DBZ483 so what youre saying is that you want summoning?
I would absolutely love Summoning, if redesigned/nerfed for OSRS. I loved it. They could also be used to breathe life back into skilling. Both the act of gathering, and by adding new things to make as a material for pouches, to make some of those dead skills like Firemaking more useful.
summoning is trash
For me the "golden age" of RS was a bit earlier. I started playing during the RS2 beta, so my most nostalgic memories are of running around Lumby with my mates from school, all of us noobs, as some people played RS2 while others were just checking it out but mainly still playing RS Classic. What defined this as the golden age for me is definitely the absence of the GE. It was great having to learn the value of items yourself and have real interactions with other players at big trading locations like Varrock west bank. You had to be a good judge of character, have good knowledge of the going prices for items, and lookout for scams. It gave the game a much greater sense of consequence because there was a lot at stake and it was all down to your rs street smarts!
You’re exactly right. I liked when there was no such thing as dead content. When you had a variety in armor and dragon weapons and they all served a purpose.
I sold ranger boots for dragon boots because they were new during the time. I had no idea at the time what I had done lol.
The golden age of RS was for me 2006-2007 (early). But in todays gaming the GE is very nice. Back then we had a different mindset.
Also a lot of snakes! Who fell for the lures? I did. Lol
@Stock Name trading is only a pain because the ge was implemented, back in the day before the ge everyone stood in Camelot Bank trading and selling. Thinking back to it its kinda nostalgic. This was also back when the party room was in front of Camelots Bank. I remember people putting crazy items in the balloons, those were fun times. That said I also remember getting scammed a lot because I didn't know the prices of stuff and still prefer the GE for that reason
I remember when defence tanks became summoning tanks. 75 defence and high highpoint with 99 steel titan
i just wanna play pre eoc. everything was so good
Boomer
I agree, 2008-2012 RuneScape was simply just amazing.
@@JWE_ 100percent
it may be because i just started playing runescape a few months ago but i prefer the 2020 version of rs3 over all the other versions. Mostly because of the combat and graphics.
ADAidanHD Yeah the combat and graphics are the reason why the original players hate the game now
Summoning was by far my favourite skill to train... I'd love to see it back but a nit less overpowered. (Also cost reduced then!) But prohibited at places like tob cox and inferno. Just to make sure the infernal cape is still somethjg to be proud of to get, and that raid items do jot massively drop in prices due to being way too easy to do.
I respect you Theoatrix for bringing up this topic for debate and I really enjoyed the video, but man, I would really hate it if they implemented Summoning into OSRS I also highly doubt this would ever pass the polls. Look at Warding for example. That skill made the most sense to implement as a new skill and even that one didn't pass
Theoatrix doesn't want summoning either, at least this will show the devs how noone wants it, even in a couple years.
Pvp when xd
Agreed man, he keeps making these Rs2 content videos. If we keep taking things like soup wars, summoning dungeoneering, etc etc it's only gonna edge us in the same direction as eoc.
LazloDaLlama god I hope not
Warding made no sense to implement though, its a damn crafting skill lol
"The game is perfect right now. Don't fix what's not perfect." - everybody before 2008
Truth. We are in a golden age. Why risk it. After it was added before it all went downhill
Keep old school runescape, old school. This is exactly when I quit playing. It would be exactly when I quit now.
I dont think summoning would "ruin the nostalgia" (12:16) in any way shape or form. I also don't believe people still play OSRS for the nostalgia, that has surely came and went by now and people just play it because it's a good game.
I would 100% quit if summoning happens, I love the game. Pvm and pvp are both fun and I’m nearly max cape. I quit in 08 shortly after summoning and would do it again
Hahahaha play it because it's a good game and not nostalgia that's a good one
I play for nostalgia. Come and go every now and then
@@coreychoi2421 Yeah, it wasn't even a good game in 2007 considering WoW came out in 2004 and was already basically better in every way.
Why is jagex hellbent on keeping runecrafting the absolute worst skill to train?
Nostalgia. Also they have no choice lol. It's been a part of RS since what, 2004?
Because literally every other skill has become so much easier since the rs2 days. And after 77 rc becomes afk AF so it's actually not that bad.
@@sevenroses8488 slayer is prestigious, RC is just dumb
they should add the great orb project back at least. very underrated minigame
RC is one of the most lucrative skills at high levels, pretty sure that's why.
weren't you like 7 years old when summoning came out
@DNO for real lol
He probably never used summoning
@@warchiefv5207 cuz you can't play RuneScape at 7 right? My 4 year old daughter was killing guards outside varrock the other day. Quit being a lil bitch
OrangeCheekun why are you mad
I was 9. I had been “playing” for 4 years and had a 89 combat “main” with like 1300 total. Among my group of friends I had the best account. Lmao
I remember being terrible at the game and being unable to kill Nomad to get my quest cape back. Used ruby bolts and spirit nail beast ( or larupia?, Something like that) which had a special attack that did way more damage than I could with range. Used brews to keep me alive cause ruby bolts dont care about your range level and the familiar did the rest. Tl;dr : summoning is super OP if it allows someone as bad as me to clear one of the hardest quest bosses during the time. Hell I couldn't get a fire cape with maxed combat stats back in the day.
The thing about that is, wasn't Nomad designed with summoning in mind? Its been a long time since I played RS3 but didn't his quest have a ridiculous summoning requirement?
I feel like it would help a lot as long as they release it correctly. With the old school team examining the fundamentals of how old school works now and twisting how summoning could affect the game, it could boost osrs popularity. Don’t allow familiars into the inferno or fight caves. Make it so they can’t enter the wilderness? Or add difficulty on bosses by adding health to them and even adding defense from familiars. Stuff like that could add a lot of fun and help the economy.
I am on the fence. Yes, it would be extremely overpowered and change most aspects of the game. On the other hand, if those considerations were taken to heart and balanced, it COULD be a breath of fresh air.
my thoughts exactly
They should completely Nerf summoning and make it a new spell book.
Fresh air that could ruin the game, no thanks
@@7FilmRevenge How? Bringing up specifics rather than just a no it'll ruin it would help exactly what I'm saying. Ya know, show the potential balances. For example: Excluding Yaks and that type to areas like inferno would make sense.
"considerations were taken to heart and balanced" yeaaaaa you must not know how jagex operates. They knew of the potential for abuse in bounty hunter, and they still went ahead and released it, let it run for an extended time, almost destroyed the economy and were forced to shut it down because they refused to admit they fucked up HARD. I have zero trust in the leadership in Jagex, I'm sure the content creators want to do the best possible, but are having their hands tied by management.
If they nerfed it to the point where it would fit into osrs, it wouldn't be a skill worth training, so yeah I don't think it's even worth considering
Agreed tbh
Plenty of skills in the game aren't worth training though? Why fish when its faster to make money and buy it? Why train smithing? 99 smithing isn't useful in any way. I don't see y'alls point
Idk man, if u have 99 smithing u can make lots of money making ur own items to alch. If u dont care about the mage xp selling certain items like r2h and addy chestplate will make u tons if money
@@deebohful I don't know how you think smithing can be more profitable than say.. Killing Zulrah. If the point is that killing Zulrah is more profitable than smithing but some people prefer to only train skilling instead of combat then you're just supporting my view that because something isn't technically "worth" doesn't really mean anything
Well the point of the game is technically to get maxed, so smithing is actually profitable, that's all I was stating. U max ur account so u can do raids and pvm and such.
If they bring back summoning it should simply be an extension to the arcaeus spell book, possibly add more utility to it
Really enjoyed this video man! Interesting as once upon a time years ago I used to play rsps because alot of them at the time had summoning still , but also featuring older revision graphics! I think it would be cool if they brought it back , except this time do a complete remodel that would suit more to oldschool. So removing the familiars that are way too overpowered.
I would love summoning back!
I would drop this game in half a second after putting in thousands of hours if they brought back summoning that skill gives me more heart burn then spiderman-3
Fake
well you don't know the difference between then and than as an adult so who cares about u
Instead of dropping in a whole skill, why can't they take all that effort and maybe add things to existing skills? Some skills are a bit lacking or irrelevant compared to others. I'm sure they could find a couple things to add on to existing stuff. I was never really a big fan of summoning. I don't even remember it that well, maybe I just didn't give it enough of a chance, I don't know. Anyway, it just sounds like it would fuck up the game too much.
I've been playing runescape as long as summoning exists and I never really bothered figuring out what those familiars actually did. I learned something today I guess.
@@stefangrobbink7760 dude, same. I just remember it being a pain the ass to train.
After doing the quest to introduce summoning when it first came out I never ended up looking at it again🤷🏽♀️so same
@@cheesewheel idk what you think they could add to already existing skills. If its a new training method then it has to be better than any other training method or its dead content on arrival. And if it is a better training method then it's killing already existing parts of the game
They did add things... in replace of summoning..
Thanks for bringing me back I remember this skill back in the day
I miss dungeoneering, that was my favorite thing to do
Play the gauntlet then
@@MibuInMalibu dungeoneering doesn't require high combat stats like the gauntlet
so play rs3
@@nejucis rs3's p2w dumbass u think he's gonna switch to that game thx to one feature perhaps dungeoneering is a fun activity
Dungeoneering was godawful
Simply put, OSRS has been made without summoning in mind. The amount of reworks would be astounding. It's just not worth it
Summoning is trash it would never fit. You are so right man.
The amount of rework and changes that would need to be made to summoning would essentially be the same as creating a new skill from scratch. Bringing summoning into the game in a much different way would probably be pointless as those who remember the old days of summoning would hate the new osrs summoning
oh no, Theoatrix has got the RAIDS
Spawning the red spider eggs brought back some good memories. Good ole days
I would like summoning. Rebalanced and perhaps more monsters or followers and the incorporation of pets or the use of pets with the summoning skill. Perhaps another spell book could be used where you can pass off one of your summoned creatures abilities to the pets.
summoning is such a nice skill, if they manage to balance it right, shit was op in rs2. A slightly more balanced/less op summoning added to osrs, I would be for it.
I'd love to see Summoning return. I do believe it was very overpowered though. I personally like to see it absent from bossing, pking and Minigames such as the inferno.
But it wasn’t allowed in infernos I remember the boss would eat your familiar, summoning Def has to come back only thing I have against it is bots takin advantage of it, other then that it was one of the best skills to me didn’t really want to come back to osrs when it wasn’t there
Would love to see you do a video about pre eoc mini games into osrs, and what would happen? Fist of guthix, soul wars, stealing creation etc.. cheers bro
I don’t miss them, I made it to I think the war tort on EOC. I remember going to bandos with the unicorn... as a team.
War tort is 67 summ, stallion 88.
Bring back 2011 runescape
100%
Also, the wolpertinger, used to be an extreme magic potion which would be used for pking. The double farmining xp thing was added in EOC i think .
Yeah wolpertinger was basically an imbued heart but as a familiar. It required quite high summoning to use as well
Yes, summoning would be great with new familiar, maybe capping the storage of the items of pack yaks to 10 items or even lower. Also, maybe no combat summons, only skilling and other types of summons
i would actually love to see summoning in the game, i feel like it would be a great add and break the monotony of always training the same skills and get something new but not new lol
I loved summoning when it came out but looking back at it, it added waaaay too much power creep.
In regards to Bob familiars being used for combat they could implement a lot of restrictions e.g. how Corp eats familiars and carry over the no familiar restriction from the fight caves to the inferno. It’s not as black & white as they would simply make everything easier
I think summoning would be a really cool skill to add to osrs. I mean I do realize it would change the game very extensively, however imagine you’re in the wildy and having a familiar by your side to fight with you. I think that would be sooo sick
I feel like if summoning was added to Old School, it would have to be significantly different from RS to the point where the nostalgia isn't there and it's not really worth the extra work.
Truth.
Or why not add uses to our old school pets ? Like not a necessity but like a perk kind of like Skill capes
They could get around some these flaws e.g make an agility potion (3) the secondary item to make a terrabird pouch retaining the value for the potion
I was there, in the prime, when summoning first dropped. 126 became 138. Its interresting to see the old release spiral out of control w/ eoc and see the revoked finetuned version thrive. We were all there pushing our ideas for player sumbitted suggestions. Belts and horses, oh and ofcourse sailing
If there is one skill, we really need. That would be Sailing.
Jagex: Oh ffs
True
@Stock Name sailing is closest thing we will get to dungeoneeirng
@Stock Name summoning and dungeoneering are rs3 shit, go play rs3. summoning was the worst update to ever happen.
summoning was the only new skill from osrs that was good. they should add it to os and not change anything
I don’t play old school, just RS3, but this was in my recommended. I personally really like summoning and the various familiars, but from what I’ve seen if old school, and the fact that 7 or so years of content have been added and balanced around the lack of familiars, I don’t think it would work. It’s a cool idea though.
If anything they should give current pets ability that you share a spec bar with. For example, if you have a Phoenix you can spec with it and it increases your firemaking level
I absolutely hate the idea of them adding summoning again.
Sommoning was amazing only people who couldn’t train it or had shit accounts dislike it man I swear you and most rs players are fucking brain dead idiots cry baby bitches
summoning was trash it would ruin osrs it just does not fit it is like if you like it rs3 exist lmao
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T I F F A N Y R O S E N M U N D why r u so mad u dork
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Personally, I wouldn't dig bringing over content like that to osrs. If summoning was a thing, there'd be no reason to have a cosmetic pet, which would devalue that achievement. It's a cool concept, but we have Rs3 if you want summoning.
what if they linked it to a new spellbook, kept only fighter creatures, and the spell just used their spec with a new animation? i. e. steel titan spell has him show up for a quick 4 hit attack like dclaws but while using that spell you were locked in until it ended?
If they add summoning, its going to need a complete rework basically from the ground up, so it wouldn't surprise me if we get a unique skill to osrs instead
Lol, y'all are never going to get a new skill. Not with voting. Nostalgia warriors won't allow that. Even though osrs has moved way beyond 07scape
Its possible to work it in. Start off slow, introduce summoning without the titans (like it originally was), and the original reduced beast of burden inventory. Throw in a beta with the titans and if they seem too overpowered in the beta, just don't add the titans in.
I really hate this "the update would devaluate my skills"-attitude of the osrs community. It blocks so many cool updates. And let's be honest here, osrs is a game, your skills don't have any value to begin with. Though I do think some of these things are overpowered, but I view this purely from a balance perspective, not a devaluating perspective.
Yeah its a lot of these far neck beards and older people that talk like that because new content can only help OUR game but sadly these people only want update that are slightly worse than what they can already do to train
It does take a knock to the prestige of certain accomplishments. I do see your point though.
Wtf is this bullshit comment? Skills dont have any value? You mean like paying for levels in rs3??
@@halo091 They are virtual numbers in a game dude... Even if you pay for them they are still useless. You can't do anything with those levels, heck, people won't even really acknowledge anything you achieved with those virtual numbers.
Nahhhh, hate how the skill is limited to how many charms you're able to collect. I'd like it if they brought back dungeoneering as a minigame though.
they did...raids.
And gauntlet
I would think the way to add summoning would be to make summoning be it's own unique spellbook that only contains summon spells and perhaps a couple of teleports, just like the arceaus one. Would still need to nerf the hell out of these things to make them any bit appropriate, but it would be easier than adding a skill
I'd like to see it in the next twisted league, would be amazing to see the power of the skill
i honestly dont want summoning in osrs at all. but im open to a new skill, if its done properly.
@Eli obvioulsy me saying "done properly" isnt objective lol! im just speaking from my own personal point of view. but yeah, i also doubt any new skill will ever make it to the game.
I quit when this shit came out. Ive been around since classic and when this came out alot of people left the game. Eoc put the nail in the coffin though
Honestly I would of loved warding
You forgot to mention the special move bar, which is the special attack bar for summoning scrolls. This makes a lot of summoning content such as unicorn scrolls way more balanced. One has to use summoning potions to regain special energy more quickly, but this would require inventory space. But it is far from unlimited healing.
He forgot to mention a lot of shit.
I think that if summoning were to come to old school it would have to work with the pets people collect other ways and just add stuff you can do with them. Keep what they can do limited so they're not op, but allow them to do a little more than just follow you around. Maybe have the Zulrah pet attack with phases similar to Zulrah (in terms of types of attack) but have it deal the same amount of damage as someone who has 30 in their combat stats. I don't think that this would be too powerful, but would be a nice bonus for getting the pet. And I would also say that this wouldn't work in pvp to keep things balanced there.
I would personally love to see summoning added into Osrs with some balance changes. I remember farming rock lobsters for those crimson charms too :D
Omg your comment takes me back. I used to get up every morning at 4am for those rock lobs, 'cause I'd have a much smaller chance of getting crashed.
@@IVGBE smfh
If summoning was introduced I would quit right away
I completely fucking agree and I'm only 500k from 99 Slayer
I would play again if summoning came back
@@jorgereyes9355 go back to rs3 noob
i got back into OSRS this year, i've been wondering what it would be like if they added a new skill... personally this skill seems a bit too OP (in the original form), and you're right having a pet right now is pretty prestigious, this would almost make it too common.
Can you do these for Dungeoneering, Divination, Invention, and Archeology?
Problem with summoning/dung is the power creep. It was all flat benefits and made alot of the game trivial. I'm personally against summoning with beast of burden and without it, it would be a useless stat. I feel like an update which worked like skilling outfits / summoning hybrid. Ie you buy a familiar for x points and scrolls for x points which helped with a skill. It has rpg value and doesn't break the game. Also caps the power creep behind time investment. Which aligns with alot of the game design currently and the community lets through voting polls. Edit: I don't think people should be down voting the video because they don't like summoning. He offers both sides of the argument at the end of the video. I just don't like the fact you're sponsored by jagex and making this video. I feel you need to state how genuine this video is. Are you speaking for them or yourself?
good points
Don’t allow summoning in pvp area and grand exchange.
Great job on the video as always def looked just like playing in 2013 lol but i think if at all a very small portion of sumoning would be ok if it was toned down but even that would prob ruin the osrs feel. I like the way osrs is cuz its a challenge to do things makes it more rewarding in the end.
How about having it as a region locked skill? (Zeah for example). Have something in the lore saying it only works in a certain area and just design the area so it isn't op if you use the summoning creatures. That way none of the current mechanics are broken but we get a new skill
2007 scape is slowly becoming 2012scape..
And..?
I hope they dont add summoning. I'd rather see dungeoneering again then summoning :(
Love it I hope they bring it. I dont see anything wrong with it.
If u wanna do dungeoneering just go kill corrupted gauntlet
In rs3 summoning familiars are unable to to be brought into the fight cave and the fight kiln which i believe is the equivalent to the inferno.
You literally said the same thing over and over again, and just added raid shadow legends... great vid
Facts
I would quit for sure if they brought in summoning to old school
If you quit add and find me ill have your gear.. mrchrist26
Mstislaw AA +1
That’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. How would it effect you that bad that you’d quit 😂
@@hyena805 pvp would be easyer thats means items gonna crash tf out
Hi there, would like to give some input as someone who plays both rs3 (ironman exclusively) and osrs (both ironman and a main), So as a quick thing that wasen't mentioned when discussing the pouch crafting, was the need for spirit shards. Each one costing 25gp each, a pack yak for example being 211 shards per craft making each craft 5275 gp. That removes nearly 132k gp from the game every inventory. Gold sinks are never a bad thing as away to help slow down inflation. They could also make certain things like fight caves and inferno (for example) prevent you from bringing a familiar as you cant bring a familiar into the fight caves in rs3 as it currently stands. This would keep the difficulty and prestige of obtaining the infernal cape as is. (Just to clarify im not saying for or against adding it, just wanted to add some information =) )
id love! summoning back since im a hcim, but i do see the big picture so id be grateful for a nerfed summoning
summoning and dungeoneering were the best skills ever added both were so fun and refreshing. Its so stale to have the same 'meta' for years. Kinda sad how against the osrs community is to change.
Disagree with dungineering simply because i hate degradable equipment already in game becoming irrelevant because of new degradable equipment. But i def agree theres way too many people opposed to something new. People here are acting like a new skill is akin to eoc
Because it’s old school ... you answered your own question
That is the very reason Oldschool was created, TO NOT CHANGE MUCH! LMAO GO PLAY RS3, OKAY?
@@StarOfStar I did I maxed on it, now im playing osrs :)
@@edwdishuge2401 Then enjou the OLDschool and stop ruining it