Ta-152 vs Tempest - The Most Famous Combat of the 'Ultimate' German Fighter
On 14 April 1945, several Ta-152 fighters were scrambled from their base at Neustadt-Glewe to intercept some Hawker Tempests strafing targets at the nearby town of Ludwigslust. The exact number of involved airplanes and even the outcome is not agreed upon by various sources describing the battle. Can we get to the bottom of this? Check out in this video.
Sources:
- Dietmar Hermann - Focke-Wulf Ta 152: The Story of the Luftwaffe's Late-War, High-Altitude Fighter
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- Marek Murawski - Focke-Wulf Ta 152 (Monographs)
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- Willi Reschke - Jagdgeschwader 301/302 "Wilde Sau": In Defense Of The Reich with the Bf 109, Fw 190 and Ta 152
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- Marek Murawski - JG 301 "Wilde Sau"
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- Falke Eins - Towards perfection? The Focke Wulf (Tank) Ta 152
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- Ludwigslust Aerial Combat - A case of an over-hyped fighter plane and a “mythical” fight
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there is a true story of the Ta 152 aircraft designer Kurt Tank ("tonk") who took flight in a Ta 152 H back in late 1944. He was flying to Cottbus for a meeting at the FW plant there. Nonetheless, his aircraft was unarmed at that time when he was flying. While airborne he saw some US P-51s off in the distance coming towards him closing quickly. He then put the engine at full throttle and activated the MW 50 engine boost. The Ta 152 then “disappeared" away from them. I love the P-51s, now, but that FW Ta 152 H was crazy fassst
German planes were far superior, even the Bf 190 K4 outperforms all the Allied planes, imagine the Ta152H...
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Clearly anyone who thinks German aircraft were far superior knows nothing about aviation. By 1943 the Bf-109 was hopelessly obsolete.
@@jebdeiley289lol, they get worse as they get better somehow
@@jebdeiley289Ej, fachowiec, to sobie sprawdź który myśliwiec w II wojnie światowej miał najwięcej zestrzeleń - to się zdziwisz bo Bf-109 miał 4 razy więcej na koncie niż P-51 Mustang, a Spitire nie ma nawet w pierwszej piątce.
The TA-152 fighter was the design really wanted by famous, talented fighter plane designer, Kurt Tank. But it took time to field the TA-152. Instead the interim FW-190D 'Long Nose Dora' entered service in the late summer of 1944. Just over 700 FW-190D fighters were produced yet the declining Luftwaffe badly needed thousands more and the trained pilots to fly them along with adequate fuel supplies. Kurt Tank really wasn't enthusiastic about the FW-190D as his ultimate goal was the TA-152. Fortunately the powers that be decided upon production of the interim FW-190D. It was fortunate for the Allies that Germany could not produce the needed numbers of FW-190D Long Noses, nor the necessary numbers of trained pilots along with declining stocks of aviation fuel. When the TA-152 finally made its debut in the spring of 1945, the war was already lost. From even a short distance it was easy to mistake the TA-152 for a FW-190D. Only a sharp-eyed Allied pilot might notice the slightly longer fuselage and the longer wings. The FW-190D, as an interim design, used the standard FW190 wings. The TA-152's long wings were intended for better high altitude reach and performance against Allied bombers. Also the Luftwaffe expected the Americans to deploy their newer, high-altitude B-29 Superfortress over Germany. The TA-152 and the FW-190D carried the same armament of two, 13mm heavy machine guns in the nose cowling and two, MG151 20mm cannon, one in each wing root. It was never explained why Focke Wulf limited both aircraft to only two, MG151 cannons while the standard FW-190 fighters carried four, 20mm cannon. The exception was a heavy-armed version of the standard FW-190 armed with two, MK108 30mm cannon, one in each wing, intended for ground support and if necessary, bomber destroyer work. The top speed of the TA-152 prototype was a blistering 472mph. On one occasion, while flying the prototype himself, Kurt Tank was bounced by a flight of possibly four (4) P-51D Mustangs. Tank simply pushed the throttle to the wall, leaving the Mustangs far to the rear, straining fruitlessly to catch up.
That's very interesting. I always believed the TA was developed, but never reached operational status, because less than a handfull were built.
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It may have lost some acceleration and roll rate but those high aspect ratio wings give the Ta-152H some truly marvelous sustained turning capability compared to the FW-190. A real joy to turn fight with compared to many others. An excellent depiction of its most famous engagement.
Thank you very much for the comment, I'm glad you liked the video!
Indeed, high altitude subsonic fighters got there through low wing loading, which inherently gave them superior turning performance. This is also why the P-51 was a good dogfighter.
Repair cost: 10k silver lions... My silver lions: 60k... I can repair it 6 times.............
Uh, a joy to fly? You ever flown one have you?
You can argue about the performance, but one thing remains an undeniable fact. German planes are beautiful, they have something like sharks in them.
Excellent video, as always. It is incredible to see the Ta-152 outmanoeuvring a Tempest at low altitude. I always imagine that those long thin wings will snap at the first high-g pull. Can't wait for the next episode. Btw, I really liked the 'old movie' effect.
Thanks! I guess the wings were flexible :) I was also happy with the effect. It turned out that the final elements for the 'gun camera footage' was to play them slower and without sound.
If i remember correctly, Tank had to use steel wing spars to support the wing loads, mostly because aluminum was extremely scarce and a structure complex enough to handle the loads would not be feasible at that time. The steel spars, albeit heavy, were much cheaper and allowed much more competitive G-limits.
You didnt see a Ta-152 outmanoeuvring anything. You saw a CGV. It could be utter bollox or it could be accurate - you have no idea.
The Ta-152 had lighter wing loading so, in theory it should more maneuverable. The Tempest was significantly faster at sea level than the German fighter, but fortunately for Reschke he caught Mitchell in a low inertia situation after climbing from a strafing attack.
Who else remembers Pierre Clostermann's book?
Great video! Love this content!
Thanks a lot, I'm happy to hear it!
Great use of digital moving imagery to re-create historical events, and congratulations on the research!
I'm glad you think so, thank you!
Excellent video, looking forward to see the next one!
Thanks a lot! Third part is being worked on.
Keep up the great work love the videos and the content, I can’t wait for the next one 👌🤘👍
I sure will, thank you for your support!
Fiiirst 😂although the Ta152H was built for a high altitude fighter, it was efficient at low level and high speed. Even if there is Guns jamming and supercharger issue. And we known the reason why Sepp Sattler was killed, May be shot down by Tempest
@@MiG-31893 it doesnt matter because i have watched this video in preview before broadcast. I worked with showtime112 to built thèse 3 parts. My name is at end of each vidéo 🙋for spécial thanks
In der ganzen Litaratur gibt es keinen hinweis darauf,das er von einer Tempest abgeschossen wurde.Das deutsche Jagtflieger Ass Willi Reschke hingegen hat bei einem Einsatz gleich zwei Tempest herunter geholt.
Excelente! Parabéns! Aguardo ansiosamente o próximo episódio.
Thank you very much! The next episode is being worked on.
Really enjoying your videos. Well done 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
Another masterpiece. Thank you so verymuch.
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Excellent, sir! Thank you.
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Thank you. I love the detail.
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Odličan video! Samo tako nastavi!
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Excellent part II. This aircraft had good qualities in low altitude, but mechanical problems too.
I'm glad you liked it! Considering the 'underground' manufacturing style, it actually flew pretty well.
Bonsoir Jeanne. Vu l'état de l'industrie allemand dans les derniers mois de guerre, c'est quand même pas mal, même si c'était de la fabrication "underground". Si la qualité des matériaux avait été meilleur, ça aurait marche. Néanmoins il est plus fiable que le Me 262, car ce dernier appartenait à la première génération de jet. Avec tous les emm...qui suivent
@@dominiqueroudier9401 Bonjour, oui effectivement chaque modèle d'avion allemand sortant en fin de guerre était un modèle unique avec ses propres problèmes. Les options n'étant plus respectées et les matériaux manquaient à la fin 44. Quant au ME-262, là, c'était les gros problèmes étant donné le niveau technologique. Par contre le TA-152 avec ses grandes ailes devait avoir perdu son taux de roulis prodigieux qu'avait les premiers FW-190.
@@jeannezehner9450 Salut Jeanne. Déjà on est à 1700 vues en 24h, c'est excellent. Après fouiller mes archives, le Ta152H était la suite logique du D9 et D13. Le moteur était le même, même cylindrée. La différence était le compresseur pour haut altitude et les 2 boosters qu étaient le le MW50: injection eau methanol pour décollage et surpuissance moyen altitude : de 1750 hp on passe à 2200hp. Haute altitude pour combler manque oxygène le GM1. Protoxyde azote pour gaver en oxygène. Mais seulement 1500hp à 12000 mètres. Mais 780 km/h. . Maintenant on attend le 3ème. J'aurais sûrement avant première jeudi 18. D'après le livre, les Yak9 n'avaient aucune chance et le combat était à moyen altitude
@@dominiqueroudier9401 Le cockpit devait être pressurisé pour la haute altitude comme sur le SPITFIRE VIII. 780 KM/H parce qu'il n'y a pas beaucoup de trainée avec la raréfaction de l'air, mais c'est une belle prouesse technique pour l'époque avec un avion à hélice. L'injection eau méthanol était sur tous les modèles de chasseur allemand. Le compresseur, c'était le nœud du problème. Mais quand il est lancé à haut régime qu'il soit à basse ou à moyenne altitude avec son armement lourd il fait mal.
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Very interesting aircraft. Worthwhile to see this episode!
Thanks a lot! Be sure to watch part three as well.
This combat is too in Osprey´s "Focke Wulf Fw 190 Aces of the Western Front" from John Weal ..... The book say Sattler and Mitchell were buried side by side in the Neustad-Glewe cemetery with full military honors.
Exactly. In this particular case, I was lucky to find all these different accounts which really shined a light on the battle.
chivalrous gesure
In contrast no German officer was ever given honours by any of the adversaries of Germany. This is evidence of the quality, and honour of the Germans above all others.
@@sztypettto The Air Forces in WWII can be "Gentlemans".....the land warfare was a endless savagery from all sides....
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 right. Amidst that savagery how many accounts can be found of gentlemanly conduct by Germany's adversaries towards the Germans? There are plenty of accounts of grace and noble conduct from the German side towards its adversaries.
awesome video! Keep 'em comin!
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Very interesting video about afighter (ta 152) that I didn't know the existence. An excellent reenactment as usual!
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Great video!
Thanks a lot, Chups!
Another excellent story. I never kept learning from you
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Amazing video!
I'm glad you liked it, thank you!
Finally got to watch it, great video! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻💪🏻🍻🍻
Glad you could make it :)
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so interest topic! nice video, thanks
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Nice video 👍
Thanks a bunch!
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Thx for this story about Reschke. But the Ta 152 was neither the best FW190 variant nor the ultimate german fighter. The Ta 152 was a consequently developed variant of the FW190 D9 to D13 variants, especially for intercepting of heavy bombers like the B29 in very high altitudes up to 14.500 m. As we know the very few produced examples (150) never engaged B29, so they were tragically used as medium altitude daylight fighter. 7 kills vs. 4 losses are not great. In this scenario fighters like the FW190 D9, D11 or the Messerschmitt Me 109 K4 were far more succesful.
The word 'ultimate' was put under inverted commas because many think it was but after a more detailed analysis, this designation becomes a bit questionable.
Of course 109K and 190D were far more successful; they started service already in autumn 1944. From a strategic standpoint, Ta-152 didn't make any sense, especially that late in the war. 109K and 190D were slight modifications of existing aircraft, thus there was no setback in production. And 109K was fast and could operate at altitude. Ta-152 was essentially a new design that only looked similar to its predecessor. But man was she an absolute beauty !
At this stage of WW2, saying any Luftwaffe fighter of any type was “successful”, is to place immense strain on that term. Outside of the 262, the Allied fighters outclassed them technically, had the edge in aircrew experience /skill and completely outnumbered them.
@@leakycheese That's only partially true. Technically, both sides were equal with 109K and 190D. Heck, 109K was the fastest single piston engine around - at certain altitudes. Yes, I didn't count Ta-152 - a dozen aircraft in March 45 make no difference. The lack of pilot training and the lack of well trained pilots together with the numerical disadvantage really mattered. That's not even considering fuel.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 You've just repeated back everything I said as being correct, so yeah, it's entirely true. Don't post comments for the sake of disagreement, it's just childish.
Two of my favorite aircraft
Yet another quality vid.
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Another criptic battle unveiled with Showtimme 112's masterful description of battle account !
Thank you very much! This combat actually offered more in the way of available sources than what I originally thought.
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...well done video. Willi Reschke gave a burst on O. Mitchell s Tempest - and he did a belly landing. After this mission Reschke drove to Mitchell s crash site - Mitchell s body was still sitting in the Tempest - in fuselage were many holes...
Thanks! Due to the game limitation, it was kinda hard to reenact this part accurately since airplanes in WT generally explode if they hit the ground. Some descriptions say it was a high speed stall.
@@showtime112 ...Willi Reschke told it during his interview ( 2008) ...he also said ' Sepp ' Sattlers Ta 152 H suddenly went down - no one attacked him - it is possible his Ta 152 had not enough fuel...
Like the video said it's possible he missed seeing the attacker/seeing the attck. His report was much later but the Kiwi Pilot reported it immediately after battle so I'd believe the Kiwi over the German.
These were fun to fly in Aces High 3
Nice work.
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Good commentary and nice effects, could fool many casual viewers into thinking they were real footage (that's a compliment). I chuckled when you said Reschke "swore heavily" - that was putting it mildly! IIRC, he said he "can no longer remember just who and what I didn't curse" in that moment 🤣 Pity the fight involved 152Hs - well, they were the only variant that went into production after all. If it was a 152C with its 1x 30mm and 4 x 20mm cannon the 1st burst might have turned the Tempest into matchsticks already :P
Thank you for the comment! I was quite happy with those 'gun camera' shots. As for that Reschke swearing, it was just a brief description :) With the benefit of hindsight, the C version would have been a better choice for production.
Good work, thanks. I’m sure the Ta152 would have been a superb fighter given enough time and resolution of quality issues, which were unavoidable at that stage of the war.
Thank you! Yes, under more favorable conditions and in right numbers, it would have been quite effective.
it was a one-trick pony, made for high altitude interception and dogfights.
@@SoloRenegade Not quite, it was still very fast at low altitude (580 km/h), and could outturn basically any allied fighter safe maybe the Spitfire thanks to those super high AR wings which steepen & heightens the CL curve whilst significantly lowering the Cdi.
@@hummingbird9149 the P-51A was teh fastest piston fighter of WW2 at low altitudes. Spitfire doesn't even come close to being a top10 fastest low altitude fighter of WW2.
@@SoloRenegade I didn't say the Spit was the fastest?? Speed isn't the only measure of a fighter aircraft you know. What I said was that the Ta152H also had great performance at low altitude and crucially was also extremely nimble, in which area only really the Spitfire could match it. Speed wise there were quite a few other WW2 fighters that were faster a low altitude, but not by a whole lot.
Good video. For future reference the RAF abbreviation for Flying Officer is Fg Off.
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Nice video! Can you talk about the 164 Argentine-British 🇦🇷🏴 RAF squadron? They colaborated in Normandy and the final dogfights in Germany last moments , they used to fly Spitfires and Hawker Typhoons
Thanks! I was actually thinking about that idea, especially after doing all those 1982 War videos. If I find enough information, it could be a topic for a future video.
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New to your channel, I like your critical analysis using historical records, balancing the accounts by highlighting potential unconscious/conscious bias, and illustrating the engagements scenarios with mixed-type “footage”.
Thank you for your comment! Not every time can such different accounts of the same incident be found, often I have to rely on one or two sources. But I list them and people can choose to believe them or not.
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will you also be doing a video on the tempest itself? i love your style of videos
Thanks! I might cover some aspect of the Tempest story, I'm not sure what exactly but inspiration will come eventually.
Excellent video! How about a video on the Do 335?
I'm glad you liked it! There might be a video about Do-335 providing that I find enough details of its employment. But these 'obscure' German late war airplanes seem to draw interest from the viewers so I'll do more of them.
'A aircraft is only as good as it's pilot!' Chuck Yeager was beating F16's at Red Flag with an F86. That's a Fighter Pilot!
Good Video! And I'd like to see how the TA-152 stacked up against the USSR. Good Job !!
Thanks a lot! The third part will be released soon.
Amazing video ! Neustadt-Glewe , 14. April 1945 Ofw.Willi Reschke, Ofw. Sepp Sattler and Oberstlt. Auffhammer flew a mission on afternoon. 3 Ta 152 H approached rail way Ludwingslust. Reschke flew behind Sattler. Suddenly Satttlers Ta 152 H went down ... no one attacked him !!! Is was probably a technical problem...!
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In IL-2 they referred to the Ta-152 as the Dora. I would like to see the Ta-152 vs Soviet fight.
Next saturday ,vs Yak9
Didn't know that. I believe 'Dora' only referred to Fw-190D in reality. There will be a video about Ta-152 on the 'Eastern Front' (which at the time was at a stone throw from the 'Western Front').
Not much of a fight.
@@showtime112 The 152 was also used against the B-17s with some regularity. Pilots talking about getting close to the sound barrier as they dove through the formations and then executing high-G pull outs with the half-spar outer wing panels 'flapping like bird wings' but the aircraft holding together as they literally flew return passes, almost vertically upwards at 500 mph. Apparently, with both the MW-50 and GM-1, when they were actually hooked up, they gave the '2,000hp class' Jumo-213E/F almost 2,500hp in emergency boost with both blower stages running. On delivery from Alteno, they took the fighters up to altitude for a speed run back to Luchau and one of the flight officers did the math and figured out the flight's ground speed, at height, was 505mph. When Kurt Tank had 'places to be', managing his companies roll in the dying aero industry he liked to take his cherry red Ta-152 to get there promptly and, once upon a takeoff, heard the dreaded 'Achtung! Achtung! Indianer Am Gartenzaum!' over the radio as he exited Rechlin. Looking over his shoulder, he saw a pair of P-51Ds coming down from altitude out of an offset orbit, already well above 450mph. Gear still coming up, he engaged the booster tanks, kicked the turbo into third gear range and pulled back on the stick. The Mustangs were left behind by a fighter which climbed like a U-2. Straight Up. Unable to find the highway bases, the Allies really liked to bounce the few Luftwaffe fighters still flying out of their home fields but quickly discovered the Ta-152, again because of all that power and those sail plane wings could do double chandelle turns within the airfield boundaries climbing and reversing onto their sixes in a 'butterfly' maneuver which they could not match. And so they quickly stopped trying to turn with the Tank (I'm sure local flak greatly assisted the learning curve). In the last major B-17 raid on Berlin, (the one where the Germans also fired the first SAMs, ever) several fighter wings put up a valiant effort and got severely mauled for their attempt. ONLY the Ta-152s came back without any damage. Ironically, when they received their Hohenjaegers, the Black Men of the Jagd Stab found that many they were completely unready for service release as everything from hydraulic tubing (the 152 was a hydraulic bird, the 190 an electric one on things like landing gear and flaps) to pressurization of the cockpit to even such basic things as control balancing all had to be either disconnected for want of spare parts or taken off the airframe for the metal benders to remil and tighten tolerances/throws before fitting again. Unfortunately, this included the booster tanks which, when filled to capacity, caused the CG of the airframe to be wildly out of skew and made the aircraft dangerously unstable. This caused the GM-1 of the H-0s to be pulled from the airframes of the H-1s and led to the MW-50 tanks being reduced in capacity. Or maybe half filled, I don't recall which. Excellent book on the Ta-152 was the Monogram Close Up #24. Written back in the 1960s-70s time frame, still one of the best technical histories and artwork books on the Ta-152 ever written about the type. Unlike the Me-262, the Ta-152H series was completely comfortable fighting at sea level or 40,000 feet and while the Ta-152C was the better overall fighter for rate fighting other fighters and medium bombers in the 5-12,000ft altitude bands of the last six months of the war (faster, better DB-603G engine and wings and intended to have four or five of the new MG-213 cannons plus EZ-42 gyro sight); it was the Hohenjager that could fight at and above the midwar B-17 heights of 20-25,000ft, with ease. If we had sent Dominators or Super Fortresses over Germany, with Atom Bombs, in late 1945, it would have been the only aircraft that could reliably intercept them. At light weights, only the 109K could outclimb it to 20,000ft and nothing could beat it to 30,000ft. It probably would have also become a notable photorecce aircraft in time. Kurt Tank's last best effort was a- Total. Rocket. Ship. Probably the closest thing to the F-22 of WWII. Only the P-47M and P-80 were even close.
The Fw 190 A, B and C models had BMW radial engines. The Dora had Junkers Jumo V12 engines which were longer so it became known as the long nose. It was not quite as maneuverable as the C model but had better high altitude performance. TheTa152 had the same engine as the Dora, but with superchargers adapted for even higher altitudes. The Germans were expecting B 29s. The biggest visible difference is the longer wing and slightly longer fuselage.
Kermit Weeks is building a Tempest V. It’s in the UK now to have the restoration completed.
An interesting comparison. However, not the best one to make in assessing the Ta152’s combat capabilities. The Tempest was certainly one of the fastest at low-level, but it was also large & heavy and not the most agile Allied fighter. The contemporary Spitfire Mk.XIV, for instance, out-climbed and out-turned it. That would have been an epic encounter…
Love the filtered "gun cam" footage.
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
My father-in-law was a ta152 pilot. He said “the TA 152 was almost my guarantee of survival” And it also said the Tempest was overrated and easy to shoot down. The Spitfire was a better aircraft. -/- Mein Schwiegervater war ta152 Pilot. Er sagte „die TA 152 war fast meine garantie zu überleben“ Und es sagte auch die Tempest war überbewertet und leicht abzuschießen. Die Spitfire war ein besseres Flugzeug.
What was his name?
I know the British built some impressive planes, but the FW 190 and its variants were great.
One of the most successful fighter series, that's for sure.
I don't like CGI much but it come in handy when looking at old planes and Sci-Fi movies.
There's no other way to visualize these things, I'm afraid.
The notable Eric "Winkle" Brown flew the TA 152 in 1945 and had the opinion that it was on par with any Allied piston-engined fighter, improved steadily over 30,000 feet, and was clearly superior over 35,000 feet. He described it as "an aerodynamic beauty" but arriving too late to meet its potential. His opinion of the Tempest was that is was "not a perfect aeroplane perhaps, but certainly a very good one indeed." but poor at high altitude and with a very sharp stall that occurred without any warning. During high mach test diving he noted that "It is truly surprising the strength you find when survival is a stake".
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Great video. What sim did you use?
Thanks! It's War Thunder.
I've never tried it as I'm not too keen on the "pay to play" type of games. How many of the planes have cockpits now. Are there "full real" servers with no external views, no HUD, etc?@@showtime112
Please, what is the name of the WWII military flight simulator used in making this video?
War Thunder. It's not really a simulator, more of an arcade but it has a huge range of planes which is great for my videos.
@@showtime112 OK thank you, I asked the question because I only know IL 46 where you can realistically fly a Ta-152 H
Im waiting the video about Romanian air force part 2
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You must doing part 3 in some videos
Hitler told a young German Ace Pilot a year before war’s end: “the war is lost.”
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Wasnt the last combat of Ta152 against yak3? I think i saw it in Il2 game😊
That will be shown in part three
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Accounts do back up the content of the video to a degree, however the Tempest was a very formidable opponent finishing the war on a 6:1 single seat fighter kill ratio. The famous quote from a Me262 pilot went something along the lines of "the Me262's most dangerous opponent was tbe British Hawker Tempest, very fast at low level and very manouverable". Looking at turning rates the Tempest was on a par with the Me109 and Fw190 and importantly the Dora9 so make your own conclusions. The Tempest pilot probably thought he had the edge and if the turn rate of the 152 is correct then tactics would quickly have evolved to counter it. Very interesting aircraft with a couple captured after the war for evaluation. As with all things German, yet another case of to little to late, with Germany losing the war in the factorys, still chasing technological excellence over sheer production.
Fascinating account
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Showtime 112 these two fighter types was news fighters on the allied and axis side an interesting draw late in the war, by the way have you here of the CIA air combat victory in Laos Lima site 85 air control base there Civilian Huey Helicopter shoot down North Vietnamese AN 2 colt biplane.
I think I watched a documentary which mentions the combat you mention. If ED makes an An-2 model, I'll cover it :)
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According to some books it was the shorter wing version that was used.
Possibly, but most sources I found agree that H version was the only to see operational service and combat.
Das war die geplante Ta152C ! Motor+Rumpf der Ta152 mit den Tragflächen der Fw190D-Serie. Geplant als Ersatz für die Fw190, deren Produktion zugunsten der Ta152 eingestellt werden sollte.
The Tempest is a sexy sturdy 🐦🦜.
Eu não sabia que um nariz comprido manobrava tão baixo e nem sabia que um tempest podia ser colocar na cauda de um 190 .
I wonder what Soviet types the ta will be against in the next video yak9 lagg7?
You'll soon find out :)
An airplane optimized for high altitude dog fighting, battling an airplane that sucked at high altitude and was not a great dogfighter..... what a mismatched fight.
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Is this with DCS? IL2?
It's War Thunder
Is any of the gun camera footage real?
No, it's all from WT.
The Ta 152 isn't a version of the Fw 190 . Its a construktion on it's own. Nicr Video anyway 😊
Sources are not exactly perfectly clear about that. Some suggest it was. In any case, it was heavily based on the Fw-190 and developed from it.
Most German pilots by that time were experienced, as the best had to keep on fighting and had no one to take over. And the Ta152 was the best fighter of the war, even acknowledged by the English. Sadly for the Germans they neither had fuel nor pilots to fly them at this time. And emergency programs like the "Volksjaeger" (Peoples Fighter) Heinkel 162 jet was too little and too late, if the bad quality wood glue managed to keep the planes flying! Pilot Eric Browne did find it excellent though, when testing one after the war!
Willi Reschke, later wrote: " Snow White and the seven dwarfs"....
It was an extreme high altitude fighter
Hey mate, after 24h of brodcast, u can read 20K views !!!! This is to say 20.000 for part2???
German planes of this era were built so poorly and fuelled which low quality avgas it’s amazing they achieved anything.
Is this IL2 1946 with mods ?
No, it's War Thunder.
According to books, you know old paper things, Ta 152 was dog slow at lower Altitudes, ideal at highest.
Well, it was certainly optimized for high altitude. But, Willi Reschke writes in one of those 'old paper things' that he could easily stay behind a Tempest. So I guess it wasn't that bad.
@@showtime112 back in 70s 2 free books interviewing veterans possible, “Ace Talk” and “Aces”. Always curious discrepancies between engineers and actual veterans who used the machines
according to Pierre Clostermann, the Ta-152 saw combat from summer 1944 on ......hmmm
Clostermann got that wrong. Almost certainly D9s he encountered.
Good coverage. A draw at best? I am not sure about that. There is no existing corresponding claim for Sattler’s Ta 152 which makes the likelihood of a fatal accident or flaw a more likely scenario. The Ta 152H dogfighting down low is not a one off a event. Reschke downed two nimble Yak 9s as well.
There is a claim. W/O Shaw claimed shooting down an 'Fw-190' but this was very likely Sattler who was alone trying to find the rest of his flight which had taken off before him. After uploading the video, it seemed that I probably didn't make that connection strongly enough.
In my opinion still sketchy at best. Would a pilot really confuse a Fw 190 a well known plane by then with the size and wingspan of a Ta 152? I would think the Ta 152 would be judged as a new type automatically in the air. Its not impossible but I have trouble with stating that the British shot him down with any certainty . Reschke’s account is reliable and he and others state that no one saw anyone shoot him down. So calling it draw is unsubstantiated in my opinion. Again good work though!
I don't think the tempest is a first rate fighter, not the same as a late mark spitfire or mustang or jug but it may have had cannons rather than mg
The Hawker Tempest did indeed have Four 20 mm Hispano Cannons powered by napier sabre 2,180 engine, its siblings were the Hawker fury with a different engine the Rolls Royce ''Kestrel',' and the Hawker sea fury being a navalised aircraft with folding wings and a Centaurus Radial engine instead, consider the best and most capable piston aircraft ever built by the british, and for Royal Navy fleet air arm at the time, the only piston aircraft to shoot down a russian Mig 15 jet fighter in korea i believe.
The US evaluation pilots reported the Tempest to be far more manueverable than the P47 at low & medium altitudes unsurprisingly, & on a par with the P51 again at low to medium altitudes & slightly behind higher up. You need to remember only a few hundred Tempests saw action in WW2 compared to the huge numbers of other allied fighters so you won’t see the kill figures like those. I’ll see if I can find the US evaluation report & link it on here👍
@@chogs1That's interesting from a American perspective on British WW2 aircraft, however I wasn't refering to the operational History of the Hawker Tempest which was late operational in the war , I merely commented on a query whether the Tempest was armed with 303 browning machine guns or 20 mm cannons the latter being the correct answer , on the subject of the Tempest or Rather the Hawker Typhoon theses a restoration taking place here in the. UK on a Hawker Typhoon complete with the Napier Sabre engine hopefully it with be talking to the air once again a very rare example of a British fighter bomber, I believe there is a similar project taking place in Canada that would just be Two flying examples in existence in the world
According to D9 pilot Willi Heilmann's excellent account in his book Alert in the West it was the Tempest and by deduction Griffon Spit that they feared most. The Tbolt seemed to be easy prey and the Me109 was considered a flying coffin for it's unfortunate pilots.
Ta very much
Thank you for the comment!
They should get AI to redo the sim with 4K graphics engine
Hey mate, no answer from you??
I answered twice but yt doesn't register it for some reason. This happened to me a few times recently.
@@showtime112 yes i can read your comment. Sometimes YT or. ..A.I censure comments😤👎
@@showtime112 have same issue with Jeanne zehner when we spoke...crude about...States🇺🇸
@@dominiqueroudier9401 I'm not sure what could have been misinterpreted here but with AI, logic doesn't apply 😁
'Ultimate' only at high altitude.
You don’t call a plane brought down by an enemy fighter the enemy fighter pilot’s ’victim’; it’s war, not a prison shanking. Please respect the aviators on both sides and call such men ‘opponents’, or ‘enemy combatants’.
Don't split hairs
I have heard that when an aircraft lowers it's landing gear that is a signal of surrender 🤷?!?
Yes, it can be a signal for such a thing. And then you are supposed to land at enemy airbase.
If it’s “eff double you,” the why isn’t it “Tee AY”?
Wrong, it's not the same thing. 'Ta' is the first two letters of the designer's name , Tank (pronounced 'Tunk' in German, NOT as in 'Main Battle Tank'. Likewise, Yak-1 is not pronounced 'Y.A.K. one' because it comes from Yakovlev, the designer. Fw comes from two words, 'Focke-Wulf' and that's why it is pronounced 'F.W.'
reach fight with mitchell was 100 feet not 5000 feet
Who said it was 5000 ft?
Fighters needed to have rear shooting guns
Some of them did (Bf-110 for example). But the concept was proven not to be very successful.
You say 109's and show a 152?
F/O Short misidentified German fighters as 'Me-109s', the tone of my voice suggested that. He didn't know what Ta-152 was so he assumed they were of some other type. Of course, he also didn't know that 'Me-109' was really called 'Bf-109' :)