Welcome to another episode of Islands in the League. In this episode, JJ Redick talks about the role of "luck" in a given NBA Championship. Like, were the Milwaukee Bucks lucky? Was LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers lucky in the bubble? Let's talk about it. Then we do another "build around" segment featuring Shaquille O'Neal aka SHAQ. And finally we talk home stretch odds with Josh Appelbaum. Let's go!
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As Mr. Toretto taught us. "Whether you win by an inch or you win by a mile, winning is winning."
crowd saying "that's right" in the background lol
Yes. But the champagne doesn't taste as good when you win by beating 2 bottom barrel play-in teams who took out the actual good competition on the way there, for you.
@@Chapa-pa-pabut… if those “bottom of the barrel” teams beat those “contenders” then wouldn’t the contenders lose to contenders. This is such a dumb take. You think they care how the champagne tastes?
@@Chapa-pa-paif they were actually good competition they wouldn’t have lost 🤡🤡🦃
@@LuisFernandoAraiza No, because they were relying on historic luck shooting from 3. As soon as that went away, they reverted to the being the loser bottom barrel teams they are all season long.
JJ set out to argue that luck is never involved in winning a championship but ended up making a much better case that luck is always involved in winning a championship.
That was literally the point he was trying to make.. that luck cannot be blamed for winning a championship because it is always part of the game
Staying healthy in any contact sport is lucky. Avoiding bad matchups is also lucky. Styles make fights.
I think you missed the point, people say that the players that got "lucky" should have an asterisk on their championships. His entire argument here is everything happens for a reason to the point where people may perceive it as luck and it will always be involved in sports, or in anything really.
Its more that the “luck” in basketball is incorporated into the game if luck is part of the game then you cant be lucky to win. You just won.
its not luck its just basketball, if you hoop you know.
2002 Kings vs Lakers referees: Sometimes you have to make your own luck
Tim Donaghy approves this message.
For the old heads: 1993 Suns vs SuperSonics, game 7
Lakers vs Blazers too
Make your free throws
I've never understood the asterisk argument. The same argument never seems to be brought up in March Madness or the NFL where teams only have to win once, and way more things are left completely up to chance
It’s the immaturity of NBA fans, who are much younger and generally less intelligent than fans of other sports. It’s been overtaken by internet troll culture
Everything has an asterisk so nothing should. But most people don’t understand or are trolling
The asterisk argument is just made by fans and/or pundits who didn't want that particular team to win.
so true
its made up by dumbass teenagers of NBA Twitter, serious and sane people value each championship
We absolutely need more of these ‘Build Around’ series. This is a super cool exercise.
The bubble championship had everyone competing under the SAME conditions. I don’t how anyone could argue it being less of a championship. I’ve never heard a good argument against it.
I think it's mainly because it was so different than a normal year. Shorter regular season, no home/away advantage. And everyone living in Disney world. Yes everyone was under the same conditions but those aren't the same conditions the last 80 seasons have been under...
I’ve heard someone argue that the extra rest helped the Lakers more than other teams because of the age/injury proneness of their stars compared to other teams
Prior to the bubble we saw teams take months off of not playing. This would disadvantage any teams that made trades that year at the deadline from building synergy on the court. It also provided teams built around older players(and in the case of the Lakers, AD who was "injury prone" back then) much needed rest. And when you got the 2020 Suns going flawless in the bubble you know sum aint right.
There morons
If you watched the bubble you know it was the best basketball that we’ve seen in a while.
There's a degree of luck to everything. Even preparing. Because some random thing could make anything change.
Yup, I even remember Steph curry saying it requires a little bit of luck to win a championship.
Of course you have to be a little lucky or not get unlucky, however that's part of the game and everyone is playing the same game.
Welcome to life
You are not lucky but you need luck
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity" - some old dude
This is why I love Reddick. KD and the Nets were unlucky to lose thats eries but Bucks weren't lucky to win that championship.
that championship was lucky and it was proven what have they done since they won that fluke championship? lose to a fraud celtics team in the second round and get destroyed by an 8th seed in round 1 with essentially the same team. They would've never won if the nets were healthy you know and i know it
LoL 😂 bucks were lucky and shouldn't have won that title. Kyrie and kd assaulted the bucks defense and bud had no clear game plan.
The bucks were also lucky after that freak injury in the conference finals I think against the hawks
If not for Giannis playing through his injury they shouldn't have won it. That's called sacrifice. Everything comes with a price. Now Giannis is suffering the aftermath of that injury every season. The championship will only be given to those who are willing to do the extreme to win it.
Yes they were, it took two nets stars being hurt to barely lose, Bucks weren't the best team. A healthy Lakers, Nuggets or even Celtics probably beat them that year if AD, Murray and Brown weren't injured as well. I don't think it's crazy to say if everyone is healthy they were the 5th best team in the league. And those injuries probably don't happen if it wasn't post covid with a super short rushed season that led to that many injuries. I don't think it's a coincidence they haven't sniffed a ring since then and don't look like even the best team in their conference this year either, let along the NBA.
I disagree with the idea of luck not being a thing. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. A lot of those things he listed were opportunities presented to the team and because they had been putting in the work all year they were able to take advantage of the situation.
Perfectly said
the undermining of champs who people give asterisks to is unfair because if they dont win, they "choked". so they are put in a dilemma situation where its luck or choke. rather be considered lucky then a choker.
Losing both KD and Klay in their prime is not luck for the Raptors, it’s lottery.
you have to beat 4 teams 4 times to win it. you can get lucky 1 or 2 games, but in best of 7 best team usually wins. You can also get lucky and have refs give you few unexisting calls. If you are not LA Lakers. Then there is no luck involved. Refs simply give you a series when you struggle
Perfect explanation
There’s an asterisk on every championship if you wanna get technical
Some asterisks might just be bigger than others, tho
@@MP-sy4zc you have to be dumb to think that
Not on that great Sixers team with Malone, Dr. J., Bobby Jones, Andrew Tony and Maurice Cheeks. They lost 1 playoff game.
@@MP-sy4zcAgreed, like the warriors who added KD to a 73-9 team and they needed cp3 to get injured to win a second one. The warriors 2015 without Kyrie and Kevin Love. The 2016 for Andrew Bogut. Bucks championships with all the injuries. For sure the 2014 championship of spurs because CB and DW were half injured and cannot sustain their performance. Jokic faced a LeBron with a foot issue. We can literally find a reason to discredit everything man
Idk about that I feel like if everybody is available to play then there’s no asterisks.
Thank you JJ. I am so sick of hearing Giannis haters try to discredit that 2021 Championship, even though Giannis came into the Finals after what might've been a season ending injury in the ECFs. And the Heat vs Bucks First Round matchup was a series of unfortunate circumstances: the Heat (mainly Jimmy) playing with nothing to lose, Giannis getting hurt, the Bucks crapping the bed without Giannis and Coach Bud dealing with a personal tragedy midway through the series.
Hospital ring
I couldn't believe he was back so soon. His knee bending the wrong way like that was nasty to even watch. He's definitely great with bouncing back from injuries, but hopefully they don't catch up to him later in life.
Giannis was so unbelievable in that finals that idk how anyone could discredit him
@@jeremyfuller7730life insurance ring
@@jeremyfuller7730 grow a brain
Love watching JJ grow as a broadcaster this is just the beginning of his “peak” in nba terms. And in this context he’s heading for the hall of fame
Jj been a podcast subscriber to your channel since u started it....I was in the arena when kawhi hit that shot....the amount of noise it shook the arena from the cheering and was at the championship parade....that raptors championship is special....and as a fan of jj reddick thank u for ur expertise......amazing respect 🙏
Bro every Torontonian remembers where they were when he hit that one
@@erniejohnson677Every Canadian remembers where they were when Kawhi made that shot
@@henryshhsu what city you from
JJ you’re on to something that’s never been done, please keep pushing the boundaries! All the different kinds of content you’re creating is extremely inspiring. Don’t stop,Triple down ! #MediaMogul
I love your Bench w/ Dort, Kenny Hustle, Tyus Jones & Trey Murphy
3:05 gives off real “this isn't a beach it’s a bathtub” vibes 😂😭
I really like JJ. He's one of my favorite basketball media people out there. I do wish he would keep it clean and keep the Draft Kings sponsors away. Get another sponsor. Take a little less money. Get in bed with something with more integrity.
In my heart of hearts, I don't think Golden State would have beat the Caveliers in 2015 if Kyrie and Kevin Love were there. That's the closest thing to luck I can think of. They weren't playing the other best team, even though the best team made it to the finals, they were playing against 3/5 of their best team.
To me, the luckiest titles are the lockout ones because it's different than most the other teams in history. '99 Spurs were considered lucky until they proved they could win under normal circumstances. The '12 Heat seemed lucky too, but that went away quick when they went right back to the finals the next year. '20 was lucky. AD has consistently been injured a lot his whole career whenever it's a regular NBA season. In '20 that 3-4 month rest obviously made a difference cause damn near every single other normal season, something on him breaks. Only times I think injuries should be possibly considered lucky is when it happens when you're clearly winning a series, an injury happens, then all of sudden you're clearly losing a series.
The Warriors would've won the next year though without all those injuries they suffered.
@@guanoguy4800 What injuries?
@@planetpeterson2824 bogut and iggy. They played a BIG ROLE in that team. Iggy missed 1 or 2 games. bogut missed a part of game 5 and the rest of the series. PLUs draymond suspension
JJ, thanks for not delving into the odds and betting garbage. I appreciate your knowledge and professionalism. Great job.
my guy JJ BREATHES basketball i absolutely love this
Yeah. We can understand it, the point is that when the main piece can't play in a playoff series where two team have almost the same level of competition it's normal saying who is winning or losing.
I agree with ALMOST everything you said about "luck" in the NBA. No play and certainly no SERIES is controlled by luck. First quarter miracles happen all the time and nobody cares. ... BUT... Injuries absolutely ARE luck. KD's injury was LUCKY for the Raptors and their ring was in large part because of that... or at least there's a huge asterisk on that ring.
amazing JJ when you said who will be the 4 with Shaq i thought of Markkanen! felling happy with myself right now!
Fixating on one basket and calling it luck negates all the baskets that kept teams close enough to be in position to capitalize on that luck. Fixating on an injury negates the team building where you’re basically betting on the health of one or two players to the exclusion of the rest of the team. Yeah, luck matters. But if you aren’t in a position to capitalize on that luck, you don’t prosper.
It’s pretty funny that JJ mentioned 2015 Cavs vs Warriors. I truly believe Golden State was lucky to win that series. If Bron had KLove or Kyrie they win that series. Bron was unreal over those 6 games
of course people wouldn't agree with this as their hate can be clouded by logic
Bron was unreal cuz he had to be, he doesn't replicate that performance with both Kyrie and Klove on the court
If they were available though, he probably doesn't get those numbers, but then he doesn't need to do as much and his efficiency can be higher because there will be more single coverages. It really is hard to say, it definitely would have been a more fun series though
@@Lloyd00and? MJ doesn’t replicate his legendary 63 vs bird’s celtics if he had other stars/great teammates either but his chances of actually winning still would’ve SKYROCKETED 1,000x with em lol, same exact thing for 2015 bron
@@Lloyd00hmmmm yet he had the most dominant individual Finals in '16 with Kyrie and Love playing 🤔 Love avgd 8 PPG and 6 RPG in that '16 Finals lol. Lebron led every player who touched the court on BOTH teams in PPG/RPG/APG/SPG/BPG ......while playing against the league MVP and also a DPOY in his prime.... UNREAL
Luck always has to do with it because of injuries. Sorry but I think the Bucks got lucky. Injuries can show what a well rounded team they have though.
Injuries aren’t always because of luck. They usually happen because the player isn’t in good enough physical shape.
@@michaelj9277lmao bruh shut up
@@michaelj9277Absolute brain dead take.
@@TheGreatestJediOfAllTimefacts what he talking about it's sports
It’s not luck, you could say they were more favorable to win but you still need to play the game.
PG: Fred Vanvleet SG: Anthony Edwards SF: OG Anunoby PF: Chet Holmgren C: Shaquille O'Neal Bench: Tyus Jones, Grayson Allen, Naz Reid
Hey jj can u make the build around segments a playlist on your channel
Just the needed reminder: Klay was healthy for 4 games in the nba final, and half a game not so healthy. he played the damn series, and they WON the game he was out ffs.
4.5 games out of 6 and Toronto was still smashing them the series turned around the 15 minutes Kevin Durant played in game 5 it just opened up the spacing drastically I think if KD doesn't play that game 5 it would've been a Toronto blowout closing that series out in 5 games
I don't think the Magic beat the Lakers under any circumstances BUT Van Gundy was throwing by starting Jameer after he hadn't played since January and Skip to My Lou was ballin
Yep, stan panicked And then Jameer didn’t foul Fisher and let him tie game 3
Asterisk is to address the times outside influences govern the outcomes. History shows when the league manages outcomes - Kings snubbed in 2002, Warriors snubbed in 2016.
Solid bait and switch with this video
i have duke JJ Redick bedsheets
Jj bringing all the trolls
For sure knows how to bring people to the comments lol
engagement brings in money and views. 🚮
@@jzking2k115exactly but trolls will still comment, bring him revenue and they still think JJ sees their comments which actually he only sees 0.01% of them 😂
Lauri markanen is someone I would’ve never thought of, but this Shaq build around is godly
When you do build arounds can you show the players that are not available to be drafted (because of being previously drafted) for this segment?
If you notice any player that talks about asterisk championships has 0 rings. They're talking about something they don't know anything about
Facts
Funny how an actual NBA player can explain something but a keyboard warrior can still cope
@@LanceNoirfr blud didn’t even play in the nba yet most the time those are the people talking about these things 🤷dumb take from the first comment
Bulls 91 James Worthy and Byron Scott both get injured game 2 then 3 after Lakers won game 1 in Chicago.
Thats a pretty terrible example of "luck". Chicago played awful in game 1 and still lost by 2. The Bulls demolished them in game 2 and 3. Worthy and Scott were in their mid 30s, its not a surprise they couldn't last 4 rounds of playoffs. Jordan had nearly a 30 gamescore in that series, which is a completely absurd number in a finals. Not only was that not even close to luck, that Bulls team has an argument as the best team ever.
And you’re wrong they literally turned 30 that year. It’s a pretty spot on example seeing the bulls had home court advantage. It’d be like losing pippen…
@@nokstradomus82 Oh you don't understand what you are talking about, I see. Yes, being 30 means you are in your 30s. Injuries are not luck, that is what losers say. And you dont seem to understand what a 30 gamescore means, Magic had a gamescore of 20 in that series and played amazing. Jordan was a man on a mission. You are one of the idiots JJ is talking too, its always crazy when some random has the balls to argue with actual professionals in the specifics of their field. You do not know what you are talking about, try listening to the people that do. That is what makes everyone you know more intelligent than you.
@@nokstradomus82 That Lakers team didn't have a player that was anywhere close to Pippen, at any point in their career. They were much younger, much more athletic and had the best and 3rd best players in the series. You might have picked one of the worst possible examples. The only finals that one could argue had any amount of "luck" involved was the 2017 finals. But that doesn't take into account the real-world situation of that Warriors team going to 4 consecutive finals and what that does too someone's body. Those Lakers teams had been playing in 100+ games every year for a decade, only a moron would think them getting hurt was "unlucky". That is just how the real world works, even success comes at a price.
@garrettclayton4741 only a moron would say 2 players are in their mid 30’s while they actually were both born in 61 and turned 30 that year. Therefor your credibility is shot not to mention you said the lakers had no one close to pippen? Are you crazy magic bird and Jordan were in the goat conversation at the time pippen was not. Please do your research instead of focus on your feelings.
Shaq and Curry...omg...that's wicked, JJ!
Despite it being the opposite of what he was trying to achieve, JJ has actually convinced me that some rings are luckier than others.
One could argue losing Bam Adebayo (team leader in assists and rebounds) and Gorin Dragic (team leader in scoring) and still having trouble with Miami in the bubble might need a asterisk for LA Lakers on that chip
Good argument
Bam only missed two games. You're making it seem as if he missed the entire series.
@MR12AMAZING if Lebron would have missed 2 games resulting in a loss for LA would you say the same thing. Most playoff teams reduce their roster to the strongest 8 or 9 he was the leading assist guy and rebounder. That series was all jimmy Butler putting up 40 pieces and defending the best player on the other side of the ball. Lakers won in six. Just my opinion, but that one is a (*)
Let's be honest here, Miami never looked like they were winning that series. That is the weakest argument for putting an asterisk on a win. Underdogs that won because of injuries of the opponents have more of an asterisk on their wins that favourites that did what they were supposed to do.
Its so funny how a actual nba player that actually knows basketball can explain something and yall be like nope im right your wrong lol clowns
Because they to dum* to understand basketball. They are unhappy people that like to whine .
Yep 😂😂😂
2022 was actually a fluke and I can't be convinced otherwise
One thing I realized after the KD and giannis part: luck isn't always a deciding factor, but when luck is involved, it can definitely swing a series a different direction. If either kyrie or harden doesn't go down, maybe game 7 isn't even as close at it was. If giannis doesn't get hurt, maybe Miami doesn't build up steam against a hurt bucks team. If jj's teammate makes that layup in game 2, maybe magic are able to force more games, a more competitive series, going home 1-1 instead of 0-2. Even Klay getting hurt in 2019. It was at the end of the series, but maybe, if Klay doesn't go down, warriors force a game 7. How that game goes in Toronto, idk, but that injury was a dagger to the dub's remaining spirit that night no doubt
Every championship except for the 2011 Mavericks
Don’t disrespect that 2014 San Antonio spurs team! They were a damn machine and played basketball at its peak form
@@ericespinoza7789 okay you’re right. BUT THAT’S IT
It was Caron Butler not Shawn Marrion who injured his knees.
It's the best Finals run ever. The Mavs took out killers to get that trophy.
Nuggets last year?
2021 bucks is the only reason we don’t call Giannis a playoff underachiever
Well championships do outweigh almost anything
Very true, especially since he was coming off what might have been a season ending injury during the ECF vs the Hawks.
@@CCEkekedon’t forget trae young was cooking them that series and probably would’ve beat the bucks if he didn’t get hurt with his foot 🤷🏽 giannis would’ve lost to the nets and the hawks if both teams key players didn’t get hurt.
You can say the same about Dirk and 2011
Trae young was injured, so was Giannis. I will take Giannis over Trae young. The Brooklyn Nets won game 5 without Kyrie, so no excuses. The bucks smacked the next year nets in game 6 , and beat the next year nets in overtime on their floor in game 7.
That opening... *Chefs kiss*
I'd love to see a build around Wemby segment where you use retired players
Putting asterisks on championships is dumb as hell, every single team in the league deals with stuff. Winning a championship largely depends on how good a roster is, but it requires luck too. Nobody can control injuries or a global pandemic…
Bubble championship
@@B0ne8you mean the bubble championship should be worth two rings because the winner was at a disadvantage?
@@LordBranniganThe Gotta be worth 5.
Lolol JJ talking about “we made it to the finals cause some ppl on the clerics were hurt. We got blown out game 1. We got beat 4-1 Are the lakers lucky they won?” No mfer YALL WEREE THE LUCKY ONES 😂
I was just here for the Build around XD
Josh Appelbaum dropped the longest question I’ve ever heard in my life 😂
Idc what anyone says Toronto having KD and Klay suffer catastrophic injury in the finals back to back was lucky as hell.
Right and even then, no one ever really considers their championship lesser than or as an asterisk in the same way that AD, Bron and the Lakers during the bubble might be able qualify for the same designation. Luck will always be a factor that can hardly be measured within sports but there can be other factors that can skew favor for a team or player which should deservedly be critiqued by fans at large.
Klay played 18/24 Q. That is 4.5 out if 6 gms. Raos were up 3-1 in the series when Klay was injured at the end of 4Q in gm 4. He missed gm and gm back in gm 6 & got hurt when 3Q was almost over. KD was out since gm 1 of WCF there was no excuse when they went on to beat Houston then but suddenly Raps was lucky??? Haters!!
We know there are asterisks every year, but some are bigger than others. The Warriors with KD and Klay would gentlemen sweep the Raptors, meaning, the Raptors got extremely lucky.
Not true
It does not matter. What matters is who lifts the trophy in the end. No matter what team or what league.
That toronto team was deep
@@cheffman7127what’s not true?
Just like 2015 when the warriors took 6 games to beat the cavs without irvin and love right?????
JJ flexing for becoming a GM in one of the 30 NBA teams in the near future!
JJ channeling his inner S.A.S 🔥 with is take on luck.
Raptors because Dinosaurs aren't real. 😉
Raptors with Kawhi vs the Warriors was by FAR the luckiest championship in the last 20 years. They would NEVER beat that Warriors team if everybody was healthy. I hear you JJ. But that was INSANE luck that year for the Raptors and Kawhi.
idiotic. kawhi beat giannis embiid jimmy butler and steph curry. suck on it
You can say the 09 celtics losing garnett the 05 heat losing wade the 05 sonics and suns losing players the 15 cavs vs the warriors and 2018 rockets losing cp3 and heck 2017 spurs losing parker and kawhi as big injuries too
yup, losing your number 1 and 3 option was just difficult to overcome.. you run atleast 50% of your plays through Durant and Klay that year, losing them means that now toronto only needs to guard curry and its a wrap..
Yall just lucky the NBA canceled the CP3 trade to team up with Kobe Bryant. At least 2 more titles for Kobe
Warriors first chip was just as lucky if not luckier
It's mainly the injuries that are un/lucky, with honorable mention to reffing scandals (Tim Donoughy anyone...) and highly unusual season scenarios. Everything else is just kind of the way basketball goes.
It’s not luck it’s chance and then it’s hope plus prep plus execution mixed with that
-2021 Bucks because of Kyrie & James Harden being injured for the Nets -2019 Raptors because of Injuries to Durant & Thompson -2016 Cavs because Draymond Game 5 suspension & Andrew Bogut injury -2013 Heat because Tim got subbed out & Bosh got the rebound for Ray Allen to tie game 6 -2010 Lakers because of Kendrick Perkins injury Kobe & Pau combined for over 30 rebounds in a close game 7
How convenient of you to forget 2015 when the warriors took 6 games to beat cavs without irvin and love.
Seriously bro, warriors 2015. Never would've happened. So dumb
@@rickpersaud7016 You guys make me sick with this. In 2016 first 4 games CAVS HAD THE SAME 2015 TEAM HEALTHY & WAS DOWN 3-1 to GSW
@@ishaanshettigar1554 you just an emotional Cavs fan, I’m from Ohio 2016 Cavs had the SAME ROSTER AS 2015 & WAS DOWN 3-1 BEFORE DRAYMOND GOT SUSPENDED
@@rickpersaud7016 if Cavs had Kyrie & Love in 2015 Warriors would have scored much easier, Kyrie & Love are known for being lesser on defense they are great on offense but Warriors cooked them in the first 4 games with everybody in 2016
1. Lakers COVID Bubble-Championship being played in a Hotel after playing only half a season. Being granted an full NBA championship when it was little more than an exhibition tournament. 2. Spurs choking their FT's and opening the door for Ray Allen's 3. This will go down as the biggest choke in NBA history as you can be no closer to winning the title than one FT away. (twice) 3. Toronto benefiting from KD and Klay getting injured in the finals. Most feel a healthy Warriors team may have swept the Raptors. 4. Cavs get a "Stimulus Package" from the NBA down 3-1 headed to GS to be eliminated, the league office suspends Draymond after gm 4, completely changing the outcome of the season.
Don’t like lebron huh?
Facts 😂
But the raptors cooked the warriors earlier in the year plus matched up perfectly I get kd and klay are great but so were the raptors that year
You really don't understand, do you? Instead of discrediting the Lakers for winning the 2020 championship in the bubble, you must point that mistakes to Adam Silver and his executives who were responsible for making the decision to continue the 2020 NBA season at the bubble. Blame that to them and blame it on COVID-19 because this virus made it worst for everyone. It stopped by how our world normally works. Before COVID-19 happens, the Lakers was already the number 1 seed in the NBA. They got all the home court advantage. And it would benefit to them because of the home court advantage they have. They still can win it even without COVID because they were the better team out of the qualified playoff teams in the NBA at that time. Back to the bubble thing, it wasn't Lakers fault if they win it. All the 16th qualified playoff teams at that time both in the West and the East, only followed the rules of Adam Silver and his executives to continue that season. Because if that's the case that the 2020 Lakers championship had an asterisk, then Adam Silver should mindful and logical enough to continue that season not in the bubble but how NBA games normally played before the COVID. He must continue it in the NBA home and away games despite the presence of COVID-19 in the area of each NBA arena so that arrogant, bullshit, prideful, and stubborn fans will not put any asterisk about it. My question now for you, if the Miami Heat won that series in the 2020 NBA championship bubble, would you still have the same complaints or the same asterisk ✳️ as what the Lakers received it since winning that championship 🏆? What if the Clippers win it all, would you still have the same negative comment or negative evaluation as to how they won it? Or the Lakers just won it at that time because it was Lebron winning it, you know why? Because whenever Bron won anything or loss in a game, whatever the circumstances people still hate him. Whatever he do, whether it be good or bad, people still hate him. If Kawhi, Jimmy Butler or the other playoff team won it in the bubble, they will never hate them.
@@drakesmith4857 The Raptors needed a miracle lucky bounce just to survive the 76ers. They would have lost and maybe been swept by a healthy Warriors who nearly took it to 7 without KD and Klay
Will you make a video for the Basketball Fantasy 😂 and would like to join one if you get any league.
How do you feel about your coach van gundy benching rafer alston for injured jameer nelson during the 2009 nba finals jj?
The bubble ring micky mouse for kobes death. Or maybe the kyrie to save lebron Legacy Or the other shot from Ray Allen Or maybe the year when Bron handpicked roster to beat 23 old kd Or maybe the Adam silver gift in 2016 😅 JJ how is he top 10 with 6 finals losses with the most help?
😂😂 factss
You’ve been watching skip bayless alot
@@Slicktheruler it's true tho 👍🤷
Lebron championship with lakers
Happy Easter JJ Im super critical w hosts and political type steez …but i gotta admit JJ is classy and charming. Rare for me but some of his viewwpoints are eclectic and refreshing to the mind. Keep it up
2019 Toronto Raptors. GSW had Klay tore his ACL & KD achilles but health is part of the competition/season as well
Klay got injured in the 2nd quarter of game 6. He was missing for just over a half of basketball. Raptors beat gsw in the regular season without Kawhi and a full gsw squad including KD. From 2013 to 2022 gsw had best winning percentage and most wins, Toronto is 2nd in the same span. Its was not a fluke the raptors won.
@@melian9999Klay also missed game 3 if I remember correctly. Also Looney got injured. Luck played a major factor in Toronto winning
@@melian9999 GO RAPTORS!
@SickoRed72 ahh poor gsw fan had a 73 win team add one of the greatest scorers ever and still can't get over losing to Toronto. Your roght Klay missed game 3. They still had Iggy ( finals mvp!!??) Shaun livingston, boogie cousins, bogut, oh and the greatest shooter ever. That Raptors team was really really good, then added Kawhi ( they won more games the next season, Nurse won coty, without kawhi. Covid was the only reason the Lakers won). It might of went 7 if KD was there, oh and the Raptors didnt have OG....gsw lucky it went six games imo
@SickoRed72 and way to go missing the whole point of JJ's video
the bubble Lakers - they were already going up against an underdog. then Goran & Bam get an injury. the Heat were starting - Jimmy still took them to 6 alone. LeBron would have lost that one if Jimmy had some reinforcements that year. Herro (rookie at the time) Robinson Jimmy Crowder Myers Leonard
Raptors (KD and klay), bucks (harden and kyrie) , GS like 3 times 2015(kyrie, love) (2018 CP3) (2022 Celtics got to finals cause Kris Middleton was injured)
Klay played 5 of 6 games in that series. Yes KD though.
Raptors won the season series and also were dealing with injuries
I agree on the point of "luck" not being the reason a team won or lost, luck is just the opportunity, series of circumstances you either take advantage of or not. With that being said 4-6 finals record is absolutely terrible and disqualifies anyone from any kind of greatest of all time debate.
Most of the Asterisk arguments are bad but some are reasonable. The 2015 Finals is a perfect example. LeBron loses K. Love and K. Irving in and still takes the finals 6 games. You can't tell me he wouldn't have won that series with both of them healthy. Most games were close that series too. LeBron could have 5 rings right now without very UNLUCKY and UNTIMELY injuries.
I mean those 2 finals all have extenuating circumstances, maybe you believe the cavs were better but those teams never faced each other at full strength. I personally don't understand basketball enough to know which team would win
Between the Chris Paul injury and the horrible foul calling by the refs, the Warriors were very lucky to beat the Rockets in 2018
The rockets went 7- 44 from 3. It wasn't luck imo it was good defence, an all time bad shooting night and poor coaching for not changing things
@@patrickhanlon2325 yeah that game 7 shooting was horrible, but look at how bad they were fouling Harden in particular for those 3 point attempts, that was at least unlucky for the Rockets coz on any other day he may have had 15+ free throws that day
@@thabofinca3377 absolutely luck played its part in that game/series but not enough for the warriors to have an asterisk on that title imo
@@patrickhanlon2325 no championship deserves a title, I agree with JJ 100% on that one but luck definitely does exist, and thats just an example that stuck out for me not necessarily a diss to the Warriors or their championship
I understand the sentiment, by definition tho, those things are lucky, I think a better way to put it is just luck is also part of the game and shouldn’t be held against anyone.
Thank you for the “lucky” segment. I’m sick and tired of people making that excuse in order to continue hating on whatever team they want.
2020 Bubble Champs belong on the top of this list. 3 months off in middle of season. No travel. Sequestered at Disney land. Give me a break. Easiest title ever.
That’s a fact
then why didn't everyone else win? the best team in the bubble won. no homecourt, no fans, no distraction. just pure hooping. and they all lost to the lakers. cope
You know nothing about basketball then...
Plus, they lost Kobe that year. That team was really emotional and won it for him. I like to see any other team overcome that. The Clippers couldn't handle it... lol
This take is stupid we know raptors don’t win if KD and Klay are healthy that’s luck
then luck would be involved in every championship
@@chearoyewun1186ofc but injuries to clear favorites so another team can win us different
@@julianbrittain3678That's on the Warriors. They took the risk in top loading their team and risking injuries. If they were deeper it would not have been such a problem.
I mean idk that spurs team was worse than the Toronto team honestly. and Kawhi could’ve beat them that year if he ain’t get hurt, is Golden state lucky Kawhi got hurt ??
@@KoopaTroopa-mu9fh if you lose you’re best playing you are going to lose the series when you’re taking about an NBA finals…
didn't think you would take steph at 51 mil but that's the perfect choice to pair with big diesel
havent watched this all yet but really curious if JJ puts an asterisk on toronto because hes adamant that kawhi traveled during 'the shot' lol.
i knew he was gonna say lu dortz lol
The last 5 champions all have some asterisks: 2019 Raptors: Warriors without KD and without Klay for the majority of the series 2020 Lakers: Bubble ring, got to play a 5 seed in the Finals 2021 Bucks: Injuries galore in the playoffs, and Kevin Durant's big feet 2022 Warriors: Injured Morant in the semis, and dodged playing the #1 seeded Suns 2023 Nuggets: Didn't play a single opponent with more than 47 regular season wins all postseason long and got to play a team with a negative point differential in the Finals
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Always love the content, but I feel the title is a misnomer for the video.
I think variance gets confused with luck a lot. Professionals will shoot a shot, sometimes it will go in, sometimes it won't. A lot of the skill is about minimizing variance where you can & compounding an overwhelming amount of successful results to increase your chances. A singular shot going in, or not going in isn't lucky for the person who receives the positive outcome, it's an isolated result within a sea of results; it was potentially just at a more high profile moment. If every result is luck for a team, is any result luck? If every result is luck for a team, is there a point to honing your craft? If every result is luck for a team, has anyone ever TRULY earned a championship?
luck is when opportunity meets preparation
Think your first team stacks up better but they would have issues guarding the big man down low. First team has such dynamic offense tho
That Josh guy sound just like Eric foreman 😂
I feel baited LoL. This changed my perspective on "luck". I thought for sure the Raptors' chip would have qualified as luck in JJ's mind but nope. He's got reasons & facts. Bravo.
Let’s get a GM JJ segment now where you build a current player roster with the lowest team salary while poaching no all stars or young high potential players. GM JJ finds out he has to build around a Bol Bol, or a Bobby Portis, or a Trey Young with mostly role players would be a cool way to highlight players around the league that can go unnoticed.
Shaq with: Jalen Green, J-Dub & Fox. Sabonis, Wemby, Sochan & Jrue. Maybe weird but I would like it.
I would have chosen Herb Jones instead of Dort, but that was still a good starting lineup
Fantastic take. So much better than all the other talking head hype garbage from the main stream sports media outlets.
At this rate, JJ is going to be in the HOF for Naismith award.
When the bench talk began I was SURE, ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN, that the next 2 players were going to be Payton Pritchard and Sam Hauser hahahahaha
The part on luck is great 😉
Before watching jj's picks, around shaq I'm going: Jamal Murray, Jalen Suggs, Jaylen Brown, Lauri Markkenan. Off the bench: OG Anounoby, Immanuel Quickley, Trey Murphy III, Jaren Jackson Jr. Cap Hit ~185m Alternatives for when team gets too expensive b/c of upcoming IQ and JB salary increase, or JJJ being unrealistic: Payton Pritchard, Herb Jones, Myles Turner
Luck does matter and it makes you win/lose games sometimes. But, being a good team means doing whatever it takes so that the luck factor cant change the result of a game, ie by beating your opponent by 20 with a minute on the clock.
those build a teams are solid but id probs give it to the one built around Shaq. They just seem to have a bit more defensive prowess there and you know Curry and Lauri going to be draining buckets.
Although Gasol actually hit the rim as he go for the block on Lee. That could havr been goal tending.
Was thinking Russ at that last spot instead of KWill but all good picks
Day 2 of suggesting that JJ's team collab with an NBA 2K content creator to test out the BUILD AROUND teams in 1 full season to determine which one can win the Chip on year one 😁