"Apart from Jaitely & Gadkari, No One.." I Inside Modi's Government Meetings I Top Bureaucrat Reveal
Barkha Dutt speaks to Top Bureaucrat Anil Swarup in the 32nd episode of our podcast 'Inside Out with Barkha Dutt'.
Swarup talks about his interaction and 'disagreements' with PM Modi during the meetings, his life as an IAS officer, the 'coal scam', former CAG Vinod Rai, working under the govt of Manmohan Singh, the difference between Mayawati and Kalyan Singh, and much more.
Anil Swarup is an Indian author and retired Indian Administrative Service officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre and 1981 batch. Swarup in his 38 years of career has served in various capacities and later went on to become the Secretary to the Government of India.
He has served in various key positions for both the Union Government and the Government of Uttar Pradesh, like as Education Secretary of India, Coal Secretary of India, Additional Secretary in the Cabinet Secretariat of India, Additional Secretary of Labour & Empowerment, Export Commissioner in the Ministry of Commerce & Industry of India and as the District Magistrate of Lakhimpur Kheri during the Babri Masjid-Ram Janmabhoomi agitation under then chief ministership of Kalyan Singh.
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Chapters-
00:00 Promo
1:02 First meet with PM Modi
7:28 What went wrong after Demonetisation?
10:41 Manmohan Singh not a great leader
13:55 Ministers don’t talk in meetings
15:54 PM made factually incorrect remarks from Red Fort
18:00 Manmohan Singh didn’t take the responsibility in Coal ‘Scam’
20:14 Former CAG Vinod Rai let down entire bureaucracy
24:51 Mayawati Vs Kalyan Singh
30:22 Babri Masjid Demolition
33:10 How Jayanthi Natrajan was sacked
36:46 Toughest phase as a bureaucrat
37:19 Anil Swarup on Education Mafia
42:07 Swarup on Judiciary and Election Commission
48:06 Use of Photocopy Machine
48:33 ‘Bharat Ratna moment’ of Swarup
51:09 Credits
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These interviews make ous trust in modi and yogi . It's great to hear good things about kalyan singh
Women's position in UP is bad.
@@rakhimukerji7937Says a bangalan
@@rakhimukerji7937 unfortunately yes. but not just in UP... whole country. we are improving but too slow...
what about the destruction of Supreme Court and Election Commission ? Coal auction- i agree wit you but then see how how telecom auction is being bypassed
1. I am also a retired senior officer of Central Government. 2. I am so happy to listen to this conversation. Mr. Anil Swaroop is absolutely right, honest, and bold. 3. I admire his understanding of government working. "Develop Systems" Use technology to make systems independent of persons. Systems are secular. egalitarian, and just. They help create good vibes all around apart from the direct advantage on the particular system. 4. I agree with him on the independence of institutions. Such voice of conscience is welcome. 5. Ministries need a lot of expertise which they must get from experts developed outside the government System. Should only IAS officers selected through the present system occupy the top positions of government? I have serious doubts on it. Present system does not ensure only men of competence and integrity reach the top level. 6. Thanks for sharing the "Bharat Ratn" moment. Let every officer long for such achievement. 7. Thanks Barkha for the valuable interview. Please reach my comments to Mr. Swaroop.
Very well summed up Sir.
Perfect
Dear sir this developing system is concept of PM modi who did in Gujrat as CM.I am sorry to ask you and Mr Swarup a question... Why didnt you a or Anil Swarup broughtbsystems when you were in postions & he was in UP? He had ben DM of Lucknow.Had he brought systems people didn't have to pay bribes or dallali to get driving license (even today)...Its people like you who have lead us down...when you all had to build systems you shied away dues to personal reasons and lavk of integrity towards this nation... Mr Anil Swarup built the system because he was told to by the leadership.He did creat it..If it was his bureaucrat predecessors & he would have created so many a systems before coal auction system.... Only weak people talk like that....
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Ya mr swaroop, so pappu talks with facts? He sleeps with the enemy of Bharat, it is fact which you are not sharing? Once a upon a time, congress said digitalisation xant be done especially rural India. Today most rural India people has a bank account and knows how to pay via digital. Who is smiling now? Is is easier to condemn but many who can condemn do not know how to get it done. During covid, bjp managed to contain and help build the vaksin, on top of that helped other countries. Even the great west n USA was struggling n refuse to help helpless countries, who was the one who came to the rescue? Think before you open your mouth
Anil was an absolute delight to listen to! Very articulate, frank and convincing in whatever he said. Very objective in his assessment of Manmohan Singh and Modi. His one expression- set up good systems instead of catching a few bureaucrats for an alleged scam, is an absolute gem! It's true If even administrative decision making without a guilty or criminal intent, is shown as a criminal action, then obviously decision making will suffer. We served as bureaucrats for nearly thirty forty years and a few decisions could very well have been wrong ( in hindsight). Doesn't mean we have to be treated as criminals. Looking forward to reading his book. Well done Barkha and kudos Anil.
Anil ji a man with clear mind and thought. India needs this kind of legend.
bureaucrats and judges are never responsible for anything in India. They should be held accountable. There is a huge lobby.
they should be held responsible ,but by whom ?
@@markjitu By the dictum of their appointment. The mandate should change. Most bureaucrat in India are thugs and do not have noble intentions. However I am not saying that everyone is engaged in wrong doing
@@banjo4us1 but who will held them responsible is a question ?
This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha
Don't know about judges. The actual people who run the country are executive class. Politicians come and go.
Madam Dutt: This is the most neutral and intellectual interview that I have seen being conducted by you. It showcases your talent as a journalist. I have never admired your type of biased journalism. But, in this case, keep it going. Respect for Mr. Swaroop.
15:05 - you cannot have something in between, esp in a huge country like India where communication from the top leadership cannot be confusing or indecisive. So PM Modi is doing the right things to ensure development is delivered in the country in the most efficient manner and also delivered fast.
Thank God interview still continued with Anil Swaroopji even after he calls PM Narendra Modi is great leader and Ex PM Manmohan Singh is great person.😊😊😊
Bal... Burkha has learnt this art very painfully...As it is Anil ji calls a spade a spade and praises the worthy.... No doubt....❤
No He called modi is not leader. because modi dont give credit . listen carefully. thank god he is alive.
@@manojsatapathy4122 yes she dont like Moti
He is a great politician.. not a great leader. Great Leaders don't ignore burning issues like Manipur or Farmer Protests.
@@DriveDawn You may have your opinion but country is witnessing change in every sector.
Nice interview. His experience with Kalyan Singh and his adoration for him worth cherishing. Finally his Bharatratna moment was really heart touching. May his tribe increase. Bharkha Dutt too, do some good things occasionally !!! Thanks Bharkha Sister. Hats off to Mr. Anil Swarup
Hijda burkha wali
Very very proud of you Mr. Anil Swaroopji. May your tribe increase multifold. We need people like you.
I salute Anil Swaroop sir. I was in a mid sized CPSU. I had few wrong and misleading ideas about how bureaucracy works at the top level. Coal scam,in particular. Excellent Barkhaji, as usual 👍 wonderful.
After a long long time, I'm watching a candid interview which is factual, logical, devoid of politics & sycophancy, important for our nation and much needed at the eve of our grand finale (2024 elections). Wish we had many more up standing bureaucrats likes him 🙌
You think Anil Swarup is not a Modi sycophant?
@@backreedlib I suppose he spoke what he thought the ordinary Indian citizen should know about the ruling BJP leaders and the erstwhile UPA leaders. His views I assume is not influenced by sycophancy.
I agree with you. ❤
Agree
Abhi bas bhakt bureaucrats
Everyone who has met Modi compliments him for being a patient listener & one who dedicates time for good ideas. Glad to have a leadership like him 🇮🇳
May be a good listener but ideas not taken. He is also a frequent lier
He is a liar is what this guy is saying you don't understand??
@@arbitramCan you give an example of a lie that has impacted our country as much as congress’s herald Case scam?
Modi ❤
One of the best interviews i have ever seen...India needs more civil servants like Mr. Anil Swaroop 😊
Outstanding conversation. Mr Swaroop is most inspiring civil servant. I am definitely going to read his book. Thanks Barkha.
The story of KALYAN SINGH JI was really impressive.🙏
The "Bharat Ratna moment story" at the last brought tears to my eyes. ❤
Hats off to Mr. Anil. Wow....Great BD for bringing in Anil ji....The lesser known people in our Indian eco system
this gives me hope about Modi & Yogi's leadership.
I am impressed with Mr. Anil Swaroop and his candid, honest disclosures.
Need for you all to travel widely & treval deep inside the people & systems..You will abuse the same bureaucrats days & night. Had they all beentruthful & honest,this nation would have achieved within 30-40 years of independence.See nations like Israel,China n so many who ghot freedom much after us & where they are.Hsve you seen any bureaucrat today living a single n normal life? All their lives not only they live off the land,save their salaries & invest it but also most of yhem mske big money through many means.Go and ask aanny lower bureaucrat about their realities.Sont go by what they speak.They think something,speakk something & do skmething. MrvAnil Swarup served for max time in UP.Why UP is what when wea their.With his via sion,honesty,talent and like wise with all ISS,IPS the state should have been one of the richest in the world....see where it is....Had present CM not been their,most of the empty land would have been occupied by mafia.All this had been happening since time immemorial.All that was because of loud mouths like him existing since independence.TWitjout abny accountability they get best of facilities,houses,luxuries and above all future securities in terms of money... Don't you see that kids,wives enjoy the perks they are not entited,don't you know that the problems we face everyday like dalai to be paid for licenses, admissions etc we have to pay would have been fixed decades back had they been honest and committed? Dont you think all this rapes,kidnaps, won't have happened if these pwople did the job even with 50% honesty? I am sure you have not gone so deep to see the ground situation.Had it been so,you wont have been impressed so early.
We can sence that the devil 👿 is trying hard to make him talk negatively about Modi...
Nithin900 paranoia?
Exactly, you said it.
Lol, exactly 🤣🤣
For the first time pressing on like button for Barkha’s show 😊
I like Barkha 2.0 much better than Barkha 1.0 as the interviewee is at the Centre of conversation and the questions are intelligent and not loaded in a particular direction.❤
What a great conversation! Anil ji should hold a masterclass session on professionalism, management and integrity. I am sure such a session would help many of us.
What a rockstar of an officer. It was a treat to listen to him & draw safe conclusions that if the bureaucrat wants, the bureaucracy can work!
Wonderful interview. Actually i admire Shri Anil Swaroop Sir. He was Secretary Coal when i was working at Central Coalfields Ltd, he delivered a speech at our Ranchi HQ. He gave brief speech, it was so beautiful and inspiring. I just admire him.
Remarkable clarity from Mr. Swarup. What an intellectual you are and kudos to you for your brave opinions on several issues. You are truly an outstanding bureaucrat. All the best
Punch line of this interview is Narendra Modi is motivator
Wonderful story indeed.He is extraordinary and distinguished IAS officer.
Very rightly said, Manmohan Singh's govt. and Narendra Modi's govt. are two opposite extremes. We need the qualities of both the govt. We need a leader who would allow us to speak our minds as in Manmohan Singh's govt. and the decisiveness of Narendra Modi's govt.
bureaucrats are smooth talkers and always expert in hiding which go against them.PM have to take responsibilities for scams but bureaucrats are untouchable in eyes of law mockery of Indian justice system.
I heard one speech by Mr. Anil Swarup, and that inspired me to continue my preparation for UPSC though I had given up seeing the lack of independence of sincere officers today.
Great Interview. Every Indian should watch it. Kudos to Mr. Swarup. Hope we have more officers like him. I was very much moved when he talked about the proudest moment in his career wrt Health insurance.
Mr Swarup comes through as a very honest and upright person. That he has survived being so is a testimony to the belief that if you want, you can indeed be true to yourself in any setting. The fact that he is able to do that in an interview with Barkha Dutt speaks volumes for his courage of conviction. Well done, Mr Swarup. Need more people like you.
As usual Barkha is an expert in interviewing people who are not pro Modi and puts prompting questions to such people
She is a silent supporter
Well this interview actually shows how good the PM actually is...
Barkha is modi critic. She is anti national
Super, India needs many such courageous, confident and committed officers who can stand up and speak for TRUTH and challenge Falsehood, an IAS does not have much to loose so they are in best position to protect for India's interest, glad to know there are officers like Mr. Anil Swaroop in India
It was nice listening to an honest civil servant. Thanks.
Listening to Anil Swaroop speak candidly about the shades of various assignments, colleagues, political masters, gets me to deeply appreciate his quality and character. Great Bureaucrat he is. Hats off to him.
For the first time I am appreciating you Barkha. Return to the fair world and leave the treacherous past behind!
Amazing interview. Actually gives an inside view into the corridors of power. Mr. Swaroop actually gives some info that would otherwise never be available to the common citizens. Keep up the good work Barkha.
Reputed and accomplished IAS with te attitude of a leader who thinks and speaks like an entrepreneur We need politicians with such characteristics everywhere
GREAT CONVERSATION. WHAT A GREAT AND HONOURABLE MAN MR ANIL IS. THATS THE TYPE OF BUREAUCRATS WE NEED FOR THIS NATION TO PROGRESS, UNFORTUNATELY VERY FEW OFFICERS ARE LEFT TODAY LIKE HIM. I WILL DEFINITELY READ HIS BOOK.
This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha
The Burkha lady, I would never appreciate her for what she did during mumbai blasts
What happened, did she set off the blast?
Hahaha good reply!! Well done
@@sujithkumar2041sh literally helped erorist during 26/11 by providing the ground reports of what our commandos were planning
Nation is in good hands if we have people like this still around. What an amazing officer and leader.
Amazing and mind blowing conversation. Too good. Too Positive and Neutral. We did not want to hear some one who keeps talking about how good Modi is but rather a person who can give honest feedback. Superb.
great Interview ,, we need officers like him..the last discussion is quite impressing
ThankYou BarkhaDutt ma'am. ThankYou Anil sir for this interview and book. IAS officers like you are so important for our nation. Excited for ur book
PM Modi shows his leadership abilities by singling out Mr Swaroop in Secretary meetings. This what makes him a successful leader who can deliver in 10 years which Congress could not in 60 years.
Classic comment. 👍💯
Great conversation. Eminence respect to Mr. Anil Swarup. India needs such bureaucrats!!!
This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha
Good informative interview ... please put Mr.Anil Swaroop's name in the TITLE ... not just "Top Bureaucrat" ... he deserves some respect 🙏
Totally agree
yes Mr Anil Swaroop's name should be given prominence, otherwise he will be clubbed with the normal run of the mill beuracrats
I feel that the top bureaucrat is more appropriate because prima facie, the name did not ring any bell for me.
I had a chance to listen to him when he was the Coal Secretary.. really never forgot his charismatic personality from than… Great minds…
Great...!!❤ Very upfront, candid and Frank. We must have many more in system..
Sir, an intelligent,illuminating, articulate,honest,respectful and engaging conversation of a career bureaucrat. Thank you for giving us a peep into how the Indian government machinery works.
Yes, off course the bureaucrats like Anil Swaroop must be there in huge numbers to become our great nation 'Developed', and don't forget to be with the most committed leadership.
This is what a great and fulfilling interview feels like. There is something magical about listening to directness, logic, reason,....
Oneof the best and candid interview of a honest beaurocrrate.😊😊
Anil Swaroop is an incisive, judicious, courageous and bold gentleman and an outstanding officer ,once .
India needs civil servants like Anil swroop. Hat's of him
Very informative! More civil servants should come forward to point out the weaknesses of Government!!!
An honest, highly articulate and learned civil servant. We need more content with such people. Well done Barkha. Good interview
CIBIL servant bring diplomatic
Really enjoyed watching this interview. Thank you Mr Swarup for your contributions to the country
It was a very inciteful interview! Thanks Barkha for interviewing a top bureaucrat like Anil Swarup! The top bureaucrats of independent institutions should be regularly interviewed to understand how the system works. Of course after they retire from their jobs! I learned from this interview that Modi is a decisive leader who listens to bureaucrats and takes a decision once he understands that it a good for India. I hope he gets good bureaucrats near him. Otherwise bad decisions like demonetization, farming laws, bad implementations of GST would not happen. That's where we need not only a decisive leader, but also a learned leader and more importantly who respects democratic ideals and principles.
I am glad I watched this interview.very impressive. Hats off to Mr.Swaroop for his honesty
What happened after the coal mines were auctioned? Were the mines used for supplying coals to power plants? Then why are power plants importing coal from Indonesia and Australia through Adani and paying 2 times the price? What is Mr. Anil Swaroop's solution now?
My salute to Mr Anil Swarup
Not a follower of bharkha, but WOW what an interview hats off to mr.anil swaroop
I have seen the PM talking cheerfully with farmers,weavers, labourers,masons,school children and students yet never lose his calm.
Why should he loose calm when talking to farmers, students etc? 🤔
The best podcast I saw recently. More such interviews should be done with officials
Anil ji aap sahi keh rahe hain 😊 And I am very grateful to you to say that because I am a beneficiary of ayushman bharat
We are fortunate enough to have people like Anil Swarup Sir who had played a major role in ones life. A supreme example of how you must do your work with ethics and need not be bothered about any foul power. You are a true inspiration Sir. Thank you for your services !! The story to sum up the interview was heart touching.
She is trying so hard for him to say bad about Modi🎉
Absolutely
SPOT ON ! She forgot who she is dealing with :)
Very good interview; wonder really how Anil Swarup managed to be in government service for so long and under so many government!
This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha
One of the best interview that I have seen in a for a long time , Thanks Barkha man and Anil sir
great conversation, hope and expect from all Indians officers should be like him. God Bless him.
What a great interview, what great insights, mazaa aa gya, kudos mojo story and our dearest, best and brightest barkha dutt.
Mr. Swarup is one of the most outstanding civil servants we have had, an exemplary one in fact. Great to listen to him in this episode of Inside Out ! 👍👍🙏
Whatever opinion people have of Barkha Dutt of being anti someone, this podcast has just made me realise that she is a Journalist without an "Agenda". Admire her for this! Was great listening to the Anil Swaroop ji too..!
21:42 Thank CAG for he was the person to Modi as PM now
Loved listening to the conversation between you and Anil Swarup, feeling very enlightened, educated, as i am such a big political animal. I will see this interview at least a couple of times more to check if i have missed anything. Mr Anil is so soft spoken, indeed a pleasure to hear him Barkha, i am an avid watcher of your channel. All the best... Thank you.
This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha
Brilliant Guy. Thanks for speaking your mind. Great interview Barkhaji
Appears bold and honest man. Lion amongst jackals.
Kudos to Sir Anil Swaroop ji The likes of who are stiill there Such honest candid neutral outspoken intellectuals are needed to train our blossoming Indians
A true Bharat Ratna 🎉
When Manmohan Singh was Finance Minister and did wonderful job, he had a capable PM in Narasimha Rao who solidly stood by Singh and covered him in Parliament when others went after Singh.
True.
Manmohan was the one who made us bankrupt. The financial policy was forced by the IMF for the aid. He was the reason we were in the mess.
None of this is true.
Sonia Gandhi too protected him when he was PM. Why not mention that?
@@ssam3826 protected lol more like used him
Very informative, candid and at times touching episode!! Governance in the midst of innumerable pulls and pressures is indeed a very complex job. Anil ji has beautifully uncovered many hidden aspects thereof with his flawless narration of few instances.
I used to hate Barkha due to her selective biases. But I'm happy that she's doing interview with people and hear them despite uncomfortable truths or things that are against her biases or existent beliefs. And She's fantastic interviewer. Thanks Bakha for wonderful interview.
Shocking updates on Modi . Thank you for sharing candid views. But the question is why IAS officers do not object and refute the politician while on duty ??
They object, but they are transferred.
What shocking updates on Modi are you talking about???
May nd blowing interview . Thanks to both Barkha and Mr Swaroop
Good point. Build systems to stop corruption.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Female Govinda Govinda
Such a wonderful insight and well explained scenarios without being biased.. country is so proud of such bureaucrats.
Just Brilliant and simple. Very very clear interview Anilji. A candid and simple interview focused on facts not opinions. It is a testament to your integrity of your bureaucracy. Major respect. And certainly buying your book.
Loved the interview. Made me believe even more that the Government's work is God's work.
Kalyan Singh vs mayawati part was most interesting
"Dogs bark all the way but the elephant will keep walking." Despite all ill-efforts of the traitors Bharat will continue to progress remaining intensively democratic with the motto "Sab ka saath, sab ka vikaas, sab ka vishwas" because according to the Sanatan doctrine "Vasudhev kutumbakam - the cosmos is one home" this wisdom is uplifting not only Bharat but also the rest of the world as well, through the able and efficient governance of PM Modi and his team.
Excellent interview Barkha. Hope you sustain this neutral journalism .
Loved the discussion .... Keep it up with the Podcast. Mr. Swarup's honest and candid verbalisation is simply appealing.
We need a greater number of officers like Mr.Swarup. Uneducated and less educated politicians need the right advice and guidance to save the country. Shri Swarup is a great storyteller.
What is education 😂😂😂😂😂
Amazing interview ! Proud to know that good folks are doing their deeds for betterment of beloved country
Amazing Sir 🙏🙏🙏 wowww. Thx Barkha Dutt for an excellent interview. Just asked enough and listened. Rare nowadays.
The biggest problem in out country is people at important places not voicing their opinion enough. It has been a case for centuries, we make our leaders, bosses etc too big to even argue with. If Sam Manekshaw had not spoked out in front of Indira Gandhi, we would have lost the 71 war as well. We got to lose our 'ji hazuri' attitude as early as possible.
A very good and important interview! Thank you Barkha!
An excellent interview with an honest ex-bureaucrat which gives us considerable insight into the way things are being done at high places. Thank you 👍
Salute you Swarup ji... his suggestion to stop corruption is Build the Systems. Excellent