Herman Miller Sayl Review: My Opinion 1 Year Later
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Is the Sayl better than the Aeron? In this video, Ryan takes a closer look at the Sayl after it's been used in our office for more than one year. The Sayl offers more adjustments than other chairs in the Herman Miller lineup, for as much as much as 50% less money. Is it right for, watch our latest video to find out.
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Herman Miller Sayl - (OfficeDesigns)
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0:16 Price
0:42 Sizing
1:42 Build Quality
2:21 Adjustments
4:37 Comfort
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Will this chair go on Sayl
I see what you did 🤣 I think it is actually on Sayl right now -GK
@@btodtv hi there. Does your seat pan move slightly up and down but gets worse when it is extended? Cheers
I just purchased a Sayl and am enormously happy with it, and owe much of that decision to this video - thank you! I did want to note for anyone considering purchase, that the forward tilt is a custom option and not part of the standard fully loaded Sayl specs. It's not even an option when placing the order online, you actually need to call Herman Miller directly and there is an additional cost associated (over $100). I didn't think this would be a worthwhile upgrade for me so I just purchased the fully loaded standard.
This is really good for people with shoulder problems like me. I can push my shoulders back for good posture.
I bought this chair for $400 in 2011 when I started my PhD and sold it in 2018 when I finished. I regret it. It’s an amazing chair. Amazing.
ouch! was it 400 new in 2011?
@@freedonx Yup. I couldn't afford the Aeron so I settled. But it was worth every penny.
You spent 7 years for your PHD???@@lukemperez
1000 dollars now in 2024 new fucking insane
@@therocketeergamer7952 rip off
Folks any chance you’re reviewing stuff from up here in Canada? I’m evaluating this against the Staples GryMattr x ErgoCentric chairs. Would love a review on those.
Thanks. It seems like a good review. 👏🏻
Got this as a present for my 30th - best chair Ive ever owned
Could you guys do a special Ikea episode. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on their classic chairs and the new gaming chairs they just came out with. My school bought a few Matchspel chairs, and the headrest is actually pretty okay.
Yes, we are trying to find a time to grab those chairs. They are SUPER expensive to ship and we are about 3 hours away from the nearest IKEA -GK
I got the Sayl with forward tilt and height-adjustable armwrest (not sideways). I tried Ikea chairs before buying a used Sayl. Positive: -Herman Miller quality (although I got a used one, it still feels great) -Forward tilt is great for more intensive tasks -Adjustable seat -Good cushion -Cheap everything considered. An used one may match the price of a new Ikea chair, -Back support without being aggressive like Ikea Markus or Järvfjället -The wheel can change how easy it is to lean back, järvfjället did lack this -You can lock the back in different positions Negative: -Probably fit short people the best
I got a pair of Herman Miller Sayl chairs for $50 CAD. I had to replace the arm pads on one and both needed new gas cylinders. Evan after parts and the tools I needed to get it done it was an amazing deal.
did you find it in garbage can?
@@elmalloc that would have been an better deal, no. An NGO that had an office space in my neighborhood was forced to move as they had a bunch of stuff they needed to liquidate quickly.
I just got one and I am curios about the base of the seat. There is a plastic cover that has a sticker on it reading "Do not remove, needed for warranty claim". Is that plastic cover supposed to not be fixed ? If you touch it it rattles and moves a bit, like it's not screwed tightly enough.
After almost going insane looking for chairs I got this one yesterday fully loaded for 620€ brand new Thanks for the help guys
You’re welcome. Did you take it home or order it online and have to wait? -GK
@@btodtv Have to wait 2 days!
@natels, link?
@@AhmedHassanH Local Herman Miller reseller in Portugal. Store is called Spezzo.
Can you folks review the HAG Sofi chair?
I've been thinking about buying the Sayl for a few weeks now but the one thing I am not certain about is whether or not to get the adjustable lumbar support. Compared to the variant without the lumbar support, how big is the difference and would you say you get plenty of support even without the adjustable lumbar support? Also thank you for the detailed insight, definitely the best channel out there when it comes to office chairs.
optional, mine is without.
Just sat in these at my new job office. Lowkey gonna buy one with my first paycheck
Keep it super lowkey -GK
Whats your height? Ty
When I was trying out HM chairs, the Sayl was definitely not comfortable for me personally. As you said this might be better for shorter people. I'm 6'0 ft 210lbs and I found my butt wanting to sink into that gap that gets created when the seat depth adjustment is at its max setting. I ended up with the Embody instead. The price and looks of the Sayl are definitely attractive.
Appreciate the feedback. How is the Embody for you? -GK
@@btodtv Embody has been a game-changer for me. A great upgrade from the secret lab titan. You guys definitely helped me in my decision for a new chair. Keep up the great videos!
@@killeroz999 no
Since you are the same height as me can you sit in the "indian sitting position" in that chair or is the seat not big enough for that?
Hi, My armbar is a bit loose, the top part of it. does anyone know a fix?
I'm deciding between this and the Zody and will be returning one of them. Which do you think is best for home office?
Zody is a very solid chair, imo the Celle is a better alternative to it than the Sayl.
I am thinking of getting this or the Steelcase Series 2 as they are similar pricing for me .Just thinking which one is gonna hold up longer
If you fit in the Sayl, I think it is a better option -GK
Would you think they are gonna give it a headrest anytime soon ?
@@MrUigobb HM don't believe in headrests for their office chairs.
I have this as an office chair and it tends to worsen my spinal issues. I believe because the mesh has larger gaps near the lumbar part and me being ultra thin, it interacts with bones in an nonconstructive way. Please try before buying if you have a similar situation. Many thanks for the material, very well done.
Do you mean that the adjustable lumbar support which you can move up and down is interacting with your bones? If that is the case I would probably remove it
@@Biesteh not the lumbar support, the plastic mesh rather
This chair doesn't have mesh.
Can I ask you for a quick list of go-to chairs for someone who is 6'5" and 230lbs? I know it is up to me, but I cannot try them all :D Thanks in advance.
Shaq has a line of chairs at Office Depot
I gotta say the Sayl is really dependent on your height. As someone who’s over 6 foot I found the top of the chair really dug into my shoulder blades and felt much less comfortable then even my $200 Ikea Markus at home. Though the lower back support was admittedly much better and less intrusive than my cheapo Markus. But my Steelcase Leap at work is just the gold standard in comfort for me.
Finally something not designed for giants!
I have a sayl and I am 6'4, its more comfortable than my old aeron
I am 6’1. I had to sold Steelcase Leap because it was very uncomfrotable. Herman Miller Sayl is the best chair I ever had so far.
@@Laminar-Floware you still liking it? I’m 6’5 and I’ve been having trouble deciding what to get
@@damianlua9282 I definitely like it. It’s quite comfortable for me with just 1/2 exceptions, mainly the lack of a headrest. For the price, I’d say it’s incredibly well built and has good support. Given our height, we’re also relatively heavy, and I’ve found the butt cushioning could be a bit better for long sessions. I’d personally recommend one of the more expensive herman miller chairs that has a headrest. Aeron or higher.. It definitely depends how long you’ll spend in the chair though. I’d recommend going to a local herman miller dealer and sitting in a few to help decide… The Sayl might be comfy for you- it also depends on use case. I use mine at my work desk, so the lack of a headrest isn’t an issue as it helps keep my posture correct and keeps me from being lazy in the chair lol
I've got a sayl used for 250 €, very lucky me. Just had to clean it
Thx for the info found one at a sale for $50
Boom -GK
I got this exact spec second hand for £250 in great condition. For the price Amazing
do you get the warranty with it too?
@@magikcode I personally didn’t, I’m not sure if warranty moves to a new buyer
It won’t transfer -GK
I’m 6’4 and this chair fits me great
Are you still liking it? I’m 6’5 and deciding on getting this
did you get it? im 6'5 too, sat in one the other day and it seemed good, but i do look comically large in it@@damianlua9282
I have been watching your reviews for over a year and I think you guys have great and informative content however the problem is that you are very stiff overall. I am really glad you guys started shooting within an actual room rather than the plain room you guys were shooting. That really was bothering me because you would be standing the whole time as though your feet were glued to the floor yet talking about a chair. This however is a big improvement but I think it would be better if you are more casual such as maybe putting your feet up on the desk to simulate regular person usage :P
Thanks for saving me from disappointment. I’m over six feet tall. Sub and Like added.
The Sayl is just great. Elegant and simple IMO…and better to me than the Aeron because it has a more modern sensibility towards ergonomics with the way the back supports and moves. Plus, to me…I seriously dislike the way the edges of the Aeron seat pan hits my legs as compared to that open seat pan design. I also found this at a second hand outlet near me. Fully loaded they were $150. Just amazing considering what they go for on other places.
Wdym by secondhand outlet?
@@Bruh-lm4zr it's the kind of store that will purchase used office goods from a company that has either moved locations, upgraded furniture, or shut down. Deals are to be had...
@@SolomonLi what’s the outlets name? We tryna sayl through these rough winds of inflation fam.
@@HeyDoraWinifred It's just called Berkeley Outlet. They're only open Thursdays to Saturdays.
Great chair, but unlike the Aeron it's only usable for shorter people.
The sound is very quite
You can get a brand new one for $399 according to a couple websites, right?
No -GK
I have 2 options. 1. The Steel Case Gesture for 510 euro but with no waranty or 2. The HM sayl brand new for 610 euro inclusive the 12 year waranty...I cant decide which one to take. Im more of a smaller Person and want to use it most of the time for Gaming. What do u guys think? Thanks in advance
Which one did you end up getting if I may ask? Also stil on the fence with the Sayl but inclined to make the purchase with the current 15% off on the gaming variant
@@Biesteh i got the sayl. Loving it
Good decision, Gesture isn't really a good choice for shorter people.
You should compare this chair to the Bowery
Agreed -GK
I bought this chair recently and it is without a doubt the worst build quality chair I've had in my life. Seating cushion does not fix in place. It just moves back/front and left/right. It also clicks and rattles when this happens, making chair extremely uncomfortable. Arms are very wobbly, like they would fall off. My biggest worry was sail backrest. Worry about this not, it is brilliant, rubber like material, way better than mesh on aeron and super nice. Overall seat base moving around made this chair not fit for use and I returned it. I bought directly from Herman Miller UK, they charged me £49 to return it. Looking at how bad the quality is, I understand why they charge for returns - their satisfaction must be record low.
as a smaller individual 5'7 the chair felt very comfortable
I have the Laura Davidson Bowery which is pretty much a knock off of the Sayl. I LOVE IT!!!!!
i would like to buy nice chair but really dont understand why every HM is for small persons
Not true.
At 5,8 you not small.
It's average height.
I bought this chair a week ago, and I am quite surprised with the positive reviews. This chair has three major issue, the first one being the deal breaker. - The hard mesh hurts the bones of my spine. Even after using the chair the pain persists. Keep this in mind, specially if you are somewhat thin. - The armrests move off place too easily. I have to reposition it in the place I want several times per day, it doesn't have some locking mechanism, so it slides off through the day. - The lumbar support add-on is plain useless, I've played with it, and it doesn't make any difference because it is attached to the mesh itself, not the fixed back of the chair. I mean, given that not even with the cheapest chair I ever had issues with pain on my spine bones, I can say this is the worst office chair I've ever used.
Interesting. For me this chair was one of the few who actually fixed my back pain. not sure why or how
Likewise, I have this as an office chair and it tends to worsen my spinal issues. I believe because the mesh has larger gaps near the lumbar part and me being ultra thin, it interacts with bones in an nonconstructive way.
that backrest looks like the biggest and cheapest plastic joke.. also way too short. wtf? and then 900bucks??? 1/3 of the backrest in the bottom part is completely wasted, not used and just for design. Trash. Shouldn't even cost 200bucks
The difference between this chair and a $200 chair is night and day. -RB
It's a chair for shorter people, but I don't think you know anything about high end brands if you think the Sayl has cheap build quality.
@@StardustLegacyFighter I have a aeron and embody. stay mad