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My video feels invaded Lol jks, love your content Rad, get that $$$$
Do you even like the game?
@@namename2040 obviously not but he only did it to get $$$$ a sacrifice worth paying
It's worth mentioning Crimson Glow is still kind of a trivialised invader. When he ambushes another monster in a fight, the divebomb does not damage *you*, only the monster. It's another assist!
Yup, pure bonus
Crimson glow ambushes divebomb don't damage you?
@@albydragondono Only if it targets the monster, and not the player.
Wyvern riding already made any real invaders trivial
@@albydragondono What Grandmaster Burrito said. It knocks you back, but does no damage, but only if he's targetting a monster
One fix could be making apexes invaders since they can't be ridden. Just tweak their AI to pursue the players and target monsters more often as well. They are some of the most powerful monsters, which adds intimidation.
Or make it so you have to actually use the spider or use your silkbind attack to use another monster instead of straight up letting the other make it rideable. Im pretty new to the franchise but I enjoyed watching the 2 apex Diablos fight eachother even tho it wasnt a turf war. It felt... alive.
@@michaelc.r.6416 I agree. The Apex Zino and Mizu quest was similar as well. They just fought each other for a while instead of just slapping each other once and leaving.
I don't think anything will match the "oh shit" feeling I got the first time I heard Qurupeco use Jho's roar
TBF Iceborne had one of the dumbest invaders (Banbaro) both in-game and in-lore wise.
What? You didn't like Banbaro somehow showing up in an area full of Molten Lava? Despite naturally being found on an island in the tundra?
I'll never understand how they made Banbaro of all things an invader
It's Banbaro Time!
That guy was such a non-threat I forgot he was an invader.
Banbaro also is a way worse invader because not only his attacks is almost unavoidable (looking at you 'Boulder Push Bulldozer'), he almost has no present at all, like some kind of loser filler villain in long running anime arc (the closest i could think off). He didn't have that iconic theme like Deviljho nor Bazelguese, nor powerhouse compare to other monster (seriously this guys gets toppled left and right it's just pathetic) and when he used that bulldozer moves it's almost unavoidable because of it's insane hitbox and has knockback
Aside from the invader mechanic, the fact that you know where every monster in the game is on a map that is always on screen is actually one of my least favorite things about Rise. The search could be a lot more fun in a game as fast as this, especially with the extra buffs and items you can pick up around the map, or the high spots you can use as vantage points.
There's also no real surprise factor when you start a quest or go into an expedition - in World, seeing that "?" sign on an expedition or quest or Guiding Lands expedition was exciting because most of the time I had no idea what I was going to encounter - was it a new subspecies, variant, or even a new unrelated monster? In Rise, I know exactly what to expect when I see the minimap from the getgo which takes away the chance to be surprised in the same fashion.
Rise's Spiribirds and revamped endemic life has so much potential to be a huge incentive to explore and learn the maps but that potential is completely neutered by the fact that you never actually have to look for a monster and the frankly boring and samey feeling maps Rise has
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 I actually really like World's maps. I can absolutely see why people hate them though, not even the scoutflies know where they're going sometimes.
Searching for the monsters is cool. I think at first they should have you searching for them but late in the game they give some kind of upgrade or thing thats tells you were they are at the start of the mission, because no matter how cool it is at first it gets boring after a bunch of hours.
Apparently the justification for being able to see monsters on the map at all times is because....of your pet owl. That's it. Your magic owl just tells you where they are...somehow
your owl speaks to you like how ibushi speaks to hinoa😂
day one i literally called my owl "UAV drone" as a joke little did i know that...
Are you implying that the owl is telling me coordinates of the monsters at all times?
Probably works similar to how a hot air balloon can tell you were the monster is just by waving at it, or how you magically know a monsters exact location in world before even encountering it.
@@kingofflames738 or how painting a monster magically tells you where it is at all times
I think Sunbreak has the potential to bring back proper invasions if they put an Apex monster on the map. It wouldn’t be as great as older games, but it would at least prevent the invader from giving a free wyvern ride.
They could also make it that where sunbreak happens monsters are more aggresive and they wont let you wyvern ride them unless you use the little spider or use your own silkbind attacks.
Sunbreak is going to be a let down like Rise coming from a MH fan since late 2004 trust me
We aren't talking about 4U Apex monsters right? If we do I can't wait to get hit by a Boulder that's the size of half the area we fight in. :D Apex Rajang was so far the scariest non elder dragon I had to fight
@@TitusMH Well I'm still not sure what to think about the silk rope mechanic and I really hate that they got rid of mounting a monster in general But besides that Rise seems like a decent game going back to the older MH games like 3, 4 and X What made it being a let down for you? 🤔
@@ImWhyMortalsCry Rise is to damn easy of all the series trust me Capcom isn't trying anymore 😒
It really just became a bonus sadly... I usually get hyped when a monster comes in instead of being afraid of it. And seeing Rajang just sleep somewhere for the first time in High Rank was kinda lame too... Tho Valstrax’s ambush is really damn cool so there’s that at least!
Completely agree. Also I find that the invaders are made less threatening once again due to the pop-up... "Valstrax ambush". It just completely takes away from the experience and would be much more adrenaline pumping to just hear the Valstrax wind up noise and that is your queue to run for your life... because that sound is terrifying. (The pop-up should be an accissibility feature for those with hearing impairments... not set as default.)
I'll never forget the first time I ran into Jho in World while doing the first Rathalos quest of HR. Came walking up the tree to the nest at the top of Ancient Forest as the theme kicked in andcarted my arse in a one-shot. Seregios as well, being a total shocker when it showed up during that Rathian capture quest. And when Bazel showed up during the Diablos quest. Shit was terrifying whenever you saw them in the distance. Now ofc in Rise, they just got shafted some. Bazel tho is weirdly fun to wyvern ride tho
My first experience with invaders in general as far as I can remember was being on an expedition about 3 quests into World high rank and getting caught up in a turf war between Bazelgeuse and Deviljho almost immediatly. It definitely left an impression...
I had that too but i shouldn’t have fought against him, after already beating the game a year ago I swepped the floor with tha pickle.
I feel Bazelgeuse has been trivialised since Iceborne. I miss the days when Bazel would just roll up and do it's best to mess the hunt up. It was so much fun and it gave Bazel so much character.
He wasn't trivialized. He was just replaced by Rajang in Iceborne.
Especially in the rotten vale when you are trying to kill odog in his nest. Best invade lmao
@@fenrir3097 umm exactly but rajang can never be as effective as bazel that's just a fact you will never encounter a rajang at the beginning of your main monster hunt you will encounter bazel though
And I agree I never liked seething bazel because he wouldn't invade like at all I miss the early days were you were unprepared just so you could get 1 shot by bazel dropping in that made me fear every hunt and I miss that fear
When you heard its theme out of nwhere
I wish they'd have the invader actually kick out one of the other monsters instead of being on the map at the start (Rise Rajang). I guess I almost wouldn't mind just going back to 1 or 2 monsters on the map at a time without an invader or something.
I burst out laughing when I found that Rajang just sleeps like a lazy git in most of the quest
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 In a more Japanese inspired game, that's kinda disappointing
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 It also appears in Japanese mythology, hence the name of "Kirin" instead of "Qilin". Also, they share a similar culture anyways.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 I hope.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 they will seriously have to tone down the particle effects if that's the case and not allow hunters to bring their pets. otherwise you wont be able to see the monster, since Kirin is small
I think Valstrax's ambush attack is a precursor for what they intend to add in Sunbreak, giving more monsters "invading" attacks. I do think having to react to the suprise of an invader is fun, but I disagree that it ever inspired fear or that the mere existence of an invader did anything more than give a sense of "oh, that's here too; neat." Making them more aggressive towards players would increase difficulty, but more difficulty doesn't automatically equal more fun. It would get real old real fast, and we'd just resort to dung podding them every time to not deal with it anyways. For that, I think World did it best with invaders jumping the player, maybe getting in a turf war that was fun to watch, and then just being in the area too; which is kinda neat.
Bazelgeuse my first invader after that came deviljho but Bazelgeuse in world was a beast when it came to invasion a shame they nerf him in rise.
I only recently started playing world, the first time a bazel invaded my anjanath hunt I actually screamed it was so shocking lol never happened to me on rise
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 or Banbaro's invasion, which is way more annoying than Bazel's because unlike Bazel, Banbaro almost gives no time to escape and immediately pulls the infamous 'boulder bulldozer'
Great video outlining some issues the maps system and mounting and invasions. I actually find bazel much more challenging as a straight up fight in Rise than I did in world, so if he actually actively pursued hunters and target monsters like he used to, it would be a great way to inject some challenge into the game
I remember back on 3U for 3ds, my game would lag for a split second whenever a monster spawns partway through a quest, so I had a psychic power to know when the pickle demon was in the vicinity, but not knowing where it was and with how scary he was back then made seeing that lag spike fill me with fear and dread
I dont know how, but even with all the weird stuff rise has done that i dont like, It still managed to be my favourite game
Not for me. Definitely one of my least favourite in the series
@@GeraltofRivia22 to each theyr own
Still remember the first time I did the G-rank desert Seltas quest still wearing high rank armor trying to build some kind of G-rank defense early on, only for an Apex Rajang to tag along and throw a moon sized boulder at me while I shit bricks. I would love to feel that feeling again, that feeling that no matter how competent I am the game can throw a curveball to keep me on my toes. Can't happen in rise if Rajang is just napping in area 5 of desert plains.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 I'm pretty sure that's headcanon on your part. It's not the actual reason. WE don't know why the devs made him sleep, but the kirin explanation is the copium that makes it tolerable🤣
I would like it to be a mix of Unknown from Frontier and the post hunt warning system. If they are invading then it needs to seek out the hunter or literally swan on top of the player area.
I think this is part of the trend which IMO was best described in a review of MHRise by Captain Astronaut: "More Devil May Cry, less Demon's Souls". This is such a great analogy, as both franchises are great, but one is renowned for its supreme delivery of difficulty and conscious combat. MH will always be a great game, but if you happen to be in it for the DS-part of it, you better also like DMC!
That title fits for Dragons Dogma so well lmao
Idk I get what you mean but I personally think invaders are only cool early game, when you're scared and don't know what's going on. But late game it just gets annoying, when you're trying to do something and that damn bazel music plays you just groan
They only really show up in High Rank onward tho
@@SuperRADLemon Well that's more what I mean by early game, when you're still playing through the story and the invaders are a new mechanic. By late game I mean hour 382 when you're farming something
@@EndiXIV i have an idea that might solve your problem. instead of removing invaders, make event quests where you're in a "Stable" environment. That way they can satisfy those who care about the hunting and immersion aspects, while satisfying those who just want to grind. Maybe just make an arena quest with that monster if it's too troublesome.
Honestly Magnamalo would make a really good invader-type monster too, which makes the truth of this video doubly sad
Well he is in rampages, but not alot of people play them often because of mixed opinions on their mechanics.
Magnamalo invades rampages but wildly enough he's also kind of an assist because - true to his lore - he does attack the other monsters and often makes them rideable
Rise trivialized more than just invasions IMO
yup
big yes (sadge)
@@jeronym894 It's still a great game don't get me wrong, but this game was clearly focused on spectacle over challenge this time, and the overall weapon balance leaves a lot to be desired (my poor Gunlance...)
@@XmortoxX1990 Gunlance is fun but small damage. And Rise is too easy for me.
@@jeronym894 Fun is the perfect word to describe Gunlance
I don't think World did the invasion mechanic well, imo. My biggest problem with it is just how frequently monsters invade your fight, start their scripted roaring contest, and then proceed to get dung bombed and leave. I've had it several times where I dung pod a monster, just for them to return minutes later. Like I said, it just happens so frequently per hunt that it just becomes super annoying and really takes me out of the immersion of the fight. As a result, every time a Bazelgeuse/Deviljho/etc. invades my fight instead of being like "oh shit, it's a Deviljho" it's just "ugh, it's a Deviljho"
World's was only okay
Spot on with how you described invasions in World. It wasn't "blood pumping" or "adrenaline rushing," it was just annoying as hell because it happened all the damn time. Made me despise beetle juice in base world. I was so happy I didn't have to deal with it anymore in Iceborne. Maybe it was done better in the older games, but with the horrible taste still left in my mouth with how obnoxious it was done in World, I'm glad its gone in Rise.
Them being already revealed on the map I feel doesn't help either. Seeing Jho on a map load makes you go "oh shit" but for like a second and it's not actual terror but like "guess we gotta deal with that later."
@@Axonn1018 gameplay wise I would rather have monsters already revealed. Play monster hunter to hunt monsters not play hide and seek. Also invaders never gived people terror the moment they discover what a dung bomb do.
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Totally agree. I wish they would increase the threat of monsters running across each other. Honestly if I was to change the entire mounting system I would say it should just apply a free wall slam and do some kind of fancy finisher during dismount and leave it at that. Invaders need to be that, invasive and dangerous to the success of the hunt. Not a free ride, damage, and drops.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 it for sure needs a nurf. like monsters shouldn't be able to inflict ride mode on other monsters and it should take a lot longer to gain it.
In World I was farming Rathalos with my friend during the early parts of Iceborne. A Velkhana suddenly dropped into my ancient forest quest and changed the music and began to fight us. That single moment was more terrifying than anything Rise has ever tried to throw at me.
Savage jho in iceborne was terrifying knowing where he was created a huge obstacle of a zone you don't want to go to, and when he just decides to appear the second you don't check your minimap he literally jumpscare carts you
five nights at pickle's in the coral highlands
0:31 You could run into a *Legaiacruz* when collecting monster guts :D
I still fondly remember trying my luck fighting Valstrax in Generations Ultimate when it came after completing a certain urgent quest. You hear the happy complete music and then suddenly the game just shoots a blaring warning signal.
That one was such a "oh shit oh fuck" moment..
@@debleb166 "I can beat it..." *Famous Last Words*
Pretty much spot on there. Aside from Seething Bazel losing the invader mechanic in Iceborne I liked how World handled it but every monster becoming a tool for free damage and barely a threat is a massive step down in terms of being interesting.
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I appreciate when people watch em as it helps me, but it's better imo that you are aware from the start that it is there
I will never forget when I replayed World with my friends and Bazel invaded us for the first time. They were totally clueless so I took the opportunity to make the surprise even bigger, as soon as I saw one of the explosive scales on the map I said to them "Hey come here and look at this weird pinecone", it was hilarious when Bazel came divebombing in a couple of seconds later They have been scared of "the pinecone monster" from that point on, at every hunt the question was "are we prepared if he shows up?" and that was what made Bazel special for me
Really nice video! I think an interesting topic to explore next would be how elder dragons were back in earlier gens vs now. I feel like most of their status as legendary beasts was lost and are now just another monster for you to farm and make armor out of.
Great suggestion!
the teostra supernova from world got a huge nerf in rise :( i remember when he curled up into a ball, everyone would shit their pants and superman dive to avoid the nuclear bomb. Of course since i was a lance main with guard up, i would just laugh and press R2 to hold my shield up lmao
Hey man, good video! I really liked hearing your take on this, as someone who's been playing through all the older MH games. Having played 4U and World myself, I do miss the surprise of not knowing what I can expect.
Hey, thanks!
I think a unique mechanic they could implement is having monsters that were used for wyvern riding to become incredibly hostile towards the player. It could be that, immediately after a dismount, the monster enters a buffed rage state where they ignore everything except for the player unless a dung bomb is used.
I agree, in Rise it's just a bonus whenever another monster shows up. Throw a silkbind attack and you can use them to crush your target. I haven't thrown a single dung-bomb in Rise while I used it a lot in World.
Now monsters are just another tool for the player to inflict DPS As a player, I should be made to feel both afraid, terrified and inconvenienced when a monster like Deviljho or Rajang shows up. That's how it was until Rise
I mean if you use a dung bomb than a invader is just a bonus in world too? Like what's the difference here lol
Not a big fan on the casualization, especially when there is already a feeling of content drought while they just give more add on freebies to blow through content. The QoL changes made the game too easy and quick to beat.
Oooo this one is spicy. "Enjoy the Hunting Life! G!!!" -Instructor
I've had recurring nightmares about getting chased by Deviljho since he first appeared in Tri. World managed to make that worse with the ability to hide and hope monsters lose interest. Now I have nightmares about a Deviljho appearing outside my house while I try desperately to hide in an interior room before he sees me through a window and inevitably clips through a wall to drag me out. Needless to say, invaders are very important.
Weird that Rise still has the best invader, Valstrax. You can be fighting another monster and Valstrax will see you both and use his ambush to blow everything up. Now if only Rise didn't warn you about an incoming Ambush this mechanic would be perfect.
What are talking about? Valstrax's ambush isn't even an invasion, just another advantage to the HUNTER.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 lol we are talking about ambushes what does it relate to weapon design. We all know that most of world weapon except nerg shara n velk raging and some of the elders are looked like shit. But thats not the point. Valstrax dive. we ride it .smack the target n it poof thats the point of this vid.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 who?
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 Are you having a stroke?
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 Huh... No? He just said that Valstrax is a bad invader, that's litteraly it.
I love the idea they followed with wyvern riding in MHR, and I love how they keep up the great effort to always bring something new to upcoming MH entries. How cool is the fact you can ride those monsters and utilize them as a weapon. This is rise and rise stands for it's own for me. Just like any other MH alteration. Personally, I feel like rise is too easy and monsters not ganging up on hunters is a part of that problem. Somehow I think there is logic behind the fact a Tigrex would fight another apex predator like Anjanath when they enter each other's areas and not bother for the annoying two legged thing that tripple pokes it with it's lance (just kidding, we all know there are no lance players in rise). That being sad, I'd love to see both of them team up on 4 hunters though, treading them like the snack they represent for such powerful creatures. I think there is a sweetspot but we won't see that with the DLC. The good thing is: there will be changes and completely new ideas in upcoming MH games, and I'm grateful the MH teams ALWAYS deliver fun experiences with any release they drop.
"just kidding, we all know there are no lance players in rise" Hey! I mained Lance all through base Rise before swapping to Longsword (then Charge Blade on PC) I understand what you were meaning though lol
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One solution could be having the invaders appear so terrifying they can even drive away other monsters? So the monster you're trying to hunt is constantly on the run from the invader, instead of them engaging in a direct battle that leads to easy wyvern rides.
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I like the idea of invaders not appearing immediately on the map, but replacing another monster and making a beeline for you. Them also not being wyvern rideable, perhaps maybe for the first 5 minutes or so of their spawn time, would be a good way to make them an active threat for you.
I remember the first time Picklejho invaded my Quest in Mhp3rd was terrifying. I carted right away.
Haha , the best one for me was that damn quurupeko summon his best pal in high rank.....
I also feel the same could be said of the Elder Dragons at least in presence. In Rise they feel like normal monsters now albeit they are still some of the more difficult targets. Back in Gen 1 and 2 the map would be devoid of all monsters except for Remobra which in lore follow Elder Dragons (EDs) and Neoptereons like Vespoids, likely just to annoy players (and the Gunner Master Race of old specifically). The lack of monsters was explained as all other monsters getting the hell out and as far away as possible because they don't want to mess with or even be near an ED. And the old repelling mechanics also made it appear that this was an epic battle between you and a specific foe that eventually ended in you having tracked down your adversery over great distances and dealing the final blow. Not to mention their quests wouldn't be permently available and would cycle in and out to show their rarity since they travel around so much. In 3rd gen there were no "normal" EDs. All 3rd Gen EDs were fought in a siege or special arena setting. In 4th gen small monsters would be on the map, but would run away if it entered the zone and even things like Rhenoplos would leave immediately. They also got rid of the old school repel mechanic and only Rusted Kushala in 4U kept that mechanic. In base World the map would be devoid of all monsters except for in the Vale for Hazaak's Effluvium mechanic and Odogaron. This was also the first time 2 EDs could appear in 1 quest as this explained by them gathering in the area due to the Elder Crossing. However, while they had presence they were now "normal" quest monsters being that you had to kill them in the duration of 1 quest like a normal hunt now. No repelling mechanic except for in story beats and for Zorah and Kulve. Then in Iceborne EDs could now appear in Expeditions and there could be 1 large non-ED monster on the map with them. In Rise their presence is nerfed. They now appear with 2 other large monsters with no issue and the map will be now fully inhabited. Their presence doesn't have the same gravitas anymore
Maybe they should ad back loading zones back but in a way to split a gigantic map to 3-4 pieces of the map but make it so some monster can spawn or sleep or appear in one map and when you are hunting a specific monster and it runs to another split map it can make you and the other monster aware of your present and do the invader macanic but this will be a problem cause if you insta kill a monster Right in a area and not go anywhere else it won't happen and some players when hunting a group of different monsters will have to back track to find them but this can be solve by when a certain time the monster will flee instantly to another split zone with a tunnel or the thing in monster hunter rise and with the introduction of many camps you can fast travel fast
Man i remember iceborne rajang an actual invader, he once followed me all the way back to the same area the camp was in, and despite not being able to reach me, he sat outside firing fireballs continuously, literally jarring
I've only played rise, but I feel like the Akuma event quest with the bigger rajang is the only invader-type that actively doesn't leave you alone. I want more of that, tbh
I really never thought about that. I'm Gen 1,2 and partially 3 player (Portable 3rd) and I do remembered the egg quest suddenly Rathalos appeared, it is terrifying. But I feel like after playing World and then Rise it seems like it's a total step down to what World was doing. Yes I know it is a Switch game but it's... you know. Oh and one thing I thought Dragonator is a scarce thing that the old world(pre-MH) left but Kamura have dozens of them and now it seems just become trivial.
I dabbled into monster hunter games on 3ds and GU but only really started playing when I got world on ps4. One of the most memorable moments of my time in world is when I was hunting a barroth with my friend who had been playing since day 1 and suddenly he told me to run and then bazel came crashing down on us and barroth. It was terrifying and awesome and I love bazel for it. Sad to see what they did to them in Rise
Honestly, being a new player who hopped on World about a Year and a half ago and Rise only recently, I feel like Rise was kind of a test to see how far they could bring the MonHun formula in the direction of Action-Game. Sticking to that philosophy the developers made a lot of changes that pulled Rise away from previous games' systems. Whether that is good or bad is a matter of opinion, but I really liked the direction they went while also really enjoying the previous systems that were in World and respecting the ones I've seen from previous games. In my opinion people go a little too hard on Rise because they expect it to be just like the previous games only expanded while I think the developers were meaning to purposefully test how far they can go in one direction with MonHun and still ended up making an incredibly fun and enjoyable experience. However I honestly respect and agree with all of the criticisms of Rise in the context of comparing it to the older games, I just don't think thats what the developers were aiming for. Maybe a slight change in marketing would have been better for certain players who actually hate Rise for these changes as the devs could have better voiced how much the formula would change. What do you all think?
I think they now did that and will bring sunbreak more in the world direction, seeing that they are indeed working on wyvernride option as seen in this one twitter post
you're absolutely right. they failed in the communication aspect, and also the marketing aspect. but i would say 50% of Rise's criticisms boil down to personal taste. the other 50% are objective and measurable like them cutting corners and straight up removing things that were a staple in every other previous MH entries like 2 armor sets per monster, apexes being lazy deviants, and the lack of an endgame grind, which got introduced in MH4, and continued in MH4U, MHX, MHXX, MHW, MHW:IB, etc
If you try to explain this to the Rise kiddies on Reddit, Steam, Twitter or other forums, they call you a gatekeeper, elitist, or some other names.
for the most part I prefer it I genuinely didnt enjoy random monsters interupting fights to thwack me twice and stall the quest, although I do think certain monsters should be scarier and target the player over the other monster
It’s why I wish they kept them simple. Deviljho in 3U worked incredibly well for me because not only was he terrifying, but he made sense conceptually and he didn’t actually show up THAT often. Don’t get me wrong, he was there, but I’d say it was more about 1/4 of the time. I liked his concept because it explained why he was constantly showing up - it’s a nomadic monster who has to keep eating to sustain itself. Bazelguese almost had that same magic, but for me it appeared way too often and because a nuisance more than anything. And then Iceborne, for some god forsaken reason, had 4 invaders, most of which weren’t interesting because they were subspecies of well known monsters, and thus were easy to telegraph and less threatening. And Banbaro… come on, man. It’s clearly a monster built for one singular locale, so why would you make it travel to others? They should have kept it at Savage Deviljho, Tigrex(another ravenous, angry monster that can travel anywhere), and maybe Rajang if they had to. It’s so stupid.
@@songbird6414 Exactly my thoughts. They really ruined it in IB, they were so damn prevalent that it wasn't a surprise, it was just an interruption that stalled nearly every single hunt. Doubled with how annoying it was to get them to leave, it really left a sour taste in my mouth. Seeing the "?" next to the target monster in previous games was never a guarantee you'd run into them, and it should've stayed that way.
Invaders are unironically scary. One of my first experiences with them was hunting a Deviljho in mhgu only for a Savage Deviljho to show up and crank the intensity to overkill levels. The new changes to Rise are nice but they trivialize the "hunt" part of the game in favor of focusing solely on combat. Loved the video man, great work as always!
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Well hopefully it made you more inclined to check out the rest of my vids lmao
@@SuperRADLemon OH lol. I'm already subscribed. I just don't watch u all that often.
yeah honestly, as a newcomer to Monster Hunter, Monster Hunter World and subsequently Iceborne, is my first time ever in the franchise. I like how it flows and sure while having the Bazelgeuse fight the monster I was fighting "helped", I knew the second I got more involved besides looking I was bound to find myself carpet bombed. same with Deviljho, if I got involved I could almost guarantee I'd be running as fighting anything alongside a Deviljho that isn't a Great Jagras is practically suicidal in the game. I was always scared of fighting multiple monsters at once and it felt great. Rise honestly looks like a step down from what World showed and it kinda hurts in some strange way.
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Thanks! Will do!
Theres no fear more than seein devil jho suddenly pop out from the ground
Love how I saw super saiyan rajang for a sec and now I can’t get it out of my head.
9:11 bro gives me a heartattack here it sounds like "december 2022" at that moment i immediately paused the video to check if there was a delay im not aware of
In world, when a monster invaded the hunt, most often than not I sheathed my weapon and ran around the monsters to not get hit, they were really a treath sometimes, but in rise they are just more damage to the monster you're hunting, you don't have the felling of fear from them anymore, specially with Deviljho not being in the game
Wait, invaders existed in Rise??
Also I agree with what you're saying You always know what's gonna be around the corner. You just watch the map and anticipate when it'll enter your area. I used to be reasonably scared of Rajang, too. Even in World where I'd have some good gear, soloing Jang was still something I had issue with at times. Now in Rise I could solo him if I wanted to and do so with ease. I love Rise for amping the fun anime factor by a million, but some things that didn't need to removed or changed kinds remove the fun in it. Monsters I've never seen before when staring to hunt I just know the location of instantly? Even mystery monsters remove the mystery aspect if I know their location. And now that I know an ambush from Valstrax while around another monster won't hurt me, it makes me hope that Sunbreak will remove these safeguards for newer players and make it feel both fun and scary this time around.
I think we need invasion monsters that benefit from other monsters like baruragaru that way there threat could increase based on what your hunting? Or maybe some monsters that can stand better against certain wyvern rides like I feel that rathalos and rathian respectively could handle the other in a fight
Yeah I think they need to add something in the system so that the game actually tags them as invader monster. That way mount gauge doesn't build for them easily, but I'd in fact 3 times if not more harder to ride them. I remember being so excited to see bazel in the map for the first time as an invader, and being completely disappointed that he really didn't even seem to try to engage the fight at all.
It feels weird hearing someone say invading monsters in old games was a good mechanic. Having a monster join the same area of the map as you, only for them both to target you and just ignore eachother was beyond frustrating
One event that always will make me smile was when I was introducing MH to my then girlfriend (now Ex). It was MHGU on the 3DS and we were doing the beginning gather missions, ya know, mushrooms, honey, herbs and goldfish. We were up the said goldfish gather quest as I am showing them around the area where you can find them. Taking our time as they were getting used to the controls still and we hadn't gone deep into fighting anything bigger than the usual Aptonoth for the Raw Meat/Cooking quest. Sitting there idly fishing and telling them about the different fish they were catching they suddenly question... "Whats that???" I turn the camera and notice that a Tetsucabra had wandered into the area. With a shrug I replied... "Oh thats a Testuscabra, we will hunt that later..." Then a heart beat later realised... "OH SHIT, ITS A TESTUSCABRA!!!" Fishing was put aside as we started wailing on the old bullfrog and their first big hunt a few missions early... Because we didn't know exactly where the Monster was, it was a little surprise moment and an unexpected fight in what was just a fishing quest, we were low gear level cause of how early things were and it was something of a surprise to them learning that these monsters are big and dangerous. Now in Rise, the knowing where they are on the map at any time takes those moments away. Sure its nice for us that have been hunting for years over the times when a paintball is needed. But it totally takes that away from new players...
I feel like this would be as easy as making some kind of quest variant with no map, no wyvern riding (even no wire bugs in general if you want to go crazy) no camps and aggressive invaders.
I mean dude... carrying a handful of sh*t in your inventory has trivialized invading monsters forever.
Sick vid man. Playing GU right now and that surprise Glavenous made me scream! Also now is the time. Which is better: Poogies, Moofahs, Cohoots, or Gu-ku’s? (And why is it Moofy?)
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Honestly I feel like there should be a tradeoff for wyvernriding, like for instance both the monster you ride and the monster you use it against getting instantly enraged and staying in the zone to fight you
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I wouldn’t mind having it so only your quest target shows on the map and all other monsters stay hidden, allowing you to actually be surprised when something shows up.
monsters don't even interrupt hunters when they carve when the main monster dies the other monster in the area just drops everything and leaves
From my experience, Rise also seams to have a script in place where monster dont interact if one of them cant be ridden. As there is a timer in place after you performed a wyvern ride. During that timer if by chance 2 monsters meet, one of them while almost instantly move to another area. At best you get a roar. Kinde ruined my first Rise experience with Rajang as i was running after him for majority of the "hunt". Though he wasnt the main target, rather the invader. Therefore i had an invader run away from me for 15min, how the mighty have fallen.
That moment when even Monster Hunter Stories 2 has actual invaders but Rise doesn't ... And not just invaders scripted for the plot (you meet two as you progress through the story, an Anjanath early game and a Bazel towards the end), you can get randomly invaded while fighting monsters on the map, I found out while I was fighting a Brute Tigrex and suddenly a WARNING message showed up and before I could realize what was going on The Pickle itself joined the fight D:
I started from MH4U, but I really liked how World/Iceborne handled Invaders. Past games, if I recall correctly, monsters would mostly attack the hunter and turn it into an unfair 1v2 fight; whereas in IB, Invaders (or any monsters in the same zone really) would try to attack the opposing monster, maybe even knock them down if you were lucky but they still would also try and attack the players and disrupt them. You could sit around and watch the fight like it was a movie; or you could use the invader to try and bang it into the monster for that extra damage. It was like Wyvern Riding but there was risk involved as you still could get hit from either monster and you had to put in effort to maneuver the invader into the target and you got a double knockdown as a reward. Even then, the monsters stuck around after they got up. Sometimes, mostly in the case of Savage Devijho, the target monster would run away while you were the one stuck with big angry pickle trying to murder you as you tried running away chasing the target monster, which was chaotic in its own way. TLDR: I think Icebornes Invaders were the best, where everyone attacked everyone, super chaotic, but you could also use that to advantage if you were smart enough. Old games it turned into a 1v2 fight as the monsters only attacked the hunter, and Rise, as you stated, feel more like unearned bonus damage and exist as a means to Wyvern Ride with 0 risk to the hunter as they only target each other and leave.......as opposed to an actual chaotic mess in every single title before it
They could make invaders, or all monsters, have much higher wyvernride thresholds, and don't always go for each other. This setting is enabled in multi-monster arenas, so i dont see why they didn't make it all the same. Even world knew if u could cc an invading monster easily it would be a non-threat, and so non-targets have their mount threshold increased.
*flashbacks to 3u* yeah i remember the days sigh damn bird mimicking deviljho roar
Your thumbnail had me confused thinking this was some Elden Ring invader meme. Then i read Rise, thought about it, an realized; "I completely forgot invaders was a mechanic in Rise"
Or they could put ??? Instead of a monster Icon for the invader and not make it mountable. It would also be cool if they add back the random starting area and delayed supplies in the camp. They could lock the camp box and your box for the 1st half of the run. They tag this as an "unstable quest".
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9:25 Funny you would mention that, I actually added Dung Bombs to nearly all my item loadouts and in 100hr of Rise on PC I probably used them... once! Yeah, they are really not worth it.
There’s so many small changes you could make to rise to make invaders cool again and be an “oh shit” moment not an “oh nice” moment, have other monsters often leave the area do invaders can still get the element of surprise by invading immediately on spawn, have invading monsters stay behind after you wyvern ride them and maybe even have it enrage them so they’re an even bigger threat, or at least remove the boosted wyvern ride damage on invaders.
You know, making Apex monsters as aggressive invaders would solve most of the problems that you listed
Maybe Sunbreak can make invaders more interesting. Apex versions of monsters are already immune to being ridden, so master rank versions of Furious Rajang, Bazel, and Valstrax could be made so, and perhaps with more invader specific behaviors added, and if we're really lucky, Savage Deviljo. If we are super insanely lucky, Nergigante can show up and mess with Elder Dragon quests (and maybe a special conflict with Magnamalo). I am fine with regular other monsters still being advantages like in base game, but invaders should be a real pita for players and their hunts.
I will never forget the time I joined a Master Rank Nargacuga Hunt, and while I was riding to said Nargacuga... Deviljho showed up and started hunting me. I was screaming in fear the whole time until it finally hit its breath attack on me, oneshotting me... and the quest was on the last faint. So a nargacuga hunt failed, because I joined and got hunted by this invader, before ever getting to the Nargacuga...
I got into the monster hunter series through rise but I would always play all the demos on the nintendo before. When I saw bazelgeuse in world and its invading mechanic it just convinced me to start playing an mh game on the switch and I was even happier when I discovered bazel through a quest. Honestly i hoped to feel first hand an invade from the bomber but I didn't feel that much of a threat and thanks to this video i get the reason. I love rise but would've liked if they left that mechanic and im hoping something will change it in the expansion.
I've only watched 1 minute of the video but, I completely agree with the title they've trivialized invaders (they just don't hit the same)
It’s so satisfying to hear someone pronounce “bazelgeuse” the same way i do
I've said before that the reason I like world is because of how alive everything feels. There's a great sense that these monsters are kinda just existing and doing their thing in this world. Say what you want about the game as a whole but I'd say that is one thing it has over every other monster game. My biggest problem with rise is that it feels comparatively lifeless. Knowing where the monsters are from the start discourages exploration in favor of going straight to the marker. It also makes the map feel more like an arena than a little section of the world. The way the monsters interact with each other thanks to wyvern riding feels just so... gamey and unnatural. I'd rather there just be a chance for a turf war or that your life gets way more difficult with essentially a three way battle. It's like the streamlined the life straight out of the game. Now that was pretty negative so I want to say I still like the game a lot. The new elder dragons are just great fights, not because they're Uber difficult but because they make you actually use the new mechanics in a way that is fulfilling. And I love the new mobility. Having all these ways to recover and move are fun and they flow well. The problem is most monsters don't feel like they have any counters to the added mobility. Rathalos moves pretty much the same as always and that makes him easy to bully. I don't think any of these changes are inherently bad. They just need to Amp up the monsters in a way that makes the new mechanics feel rewarding and neccesary. P.s it would be kind of funny if wyvern riding a monster actually made it get up in an enraged state and it's focus purely on you. That would atleast add a little risk.
World's invasion mechanic was *almost* perfect, but Iceborne fucking botched it. I didn't mind getting spitroasted by monsters, but making Banbaro, Fulgur, and Ebony invader monsters was a mistake. There's simply too much. It should've just been Rajang, Deviljho, Bazelgeuse, and (maybe)Tigrex. I hope in MH6, they hold back a little. Limit the number of invaders to 5 or less, make the ai better so it doesn't become a screaming contest, and no more copy-pasted turf wars (like I'd be okay with fewer monsters if it means turf wars are actually unique).
I remember getting to high rank in world and hunting a tobi kadachi (or something small like that) and suddenly this huge terrifying thing (bazel) divebombs the fight and just wipes the floor with me and the tobi. I had to just get tf out of there to recuperate and figure out my plan now and how to finish the hunt while avoiding that thing. Stuff like that is comoletely missing from rise (along with a kot of other stuff). I think for this specific issue the blame comes down to wyvern riding. Which is a terrible imo.
Here are my suggestions: A. Make Wyvern Riding RNG based B. Limit them to early game monsters C. Make it a toss-up between turf-war and wyvern riding. 50-50 chance for either. After turf war, no wyvern riding allowed. D. Rework the "Wirebug Whisperer" skill. Make it so that you can only wyvern ride when you reach level 3 or level 5 or whatever. That way that skill will actually have some use, creating more build varieties
Thanks papa Rad for providing awesome content, as usual. Let’s us hope Sunbreak improves upon the overall experience
Rise trivialized everything. I doesn't even feel like I'm playing Monster Hunter anymore.
One of my biggest problem with wyvern riding, other than the fact that you can't ever fight 2 monsters at once, is that it completely halts the momentum of the hunt. Me or my friend would just have to stop playing until the other had ran the monster into a wall 3 times, twice, every. single. fight.
I have difficulty missing invaders of the older games, since after the first few times, dung bombing invaders just became a routine interuption, since both acquiring and using dung bombs took no skill. Not to defend how other monsters are free damage now, since I think of wyvern riding invaders to be a similarly routine waste of time. Overall, I'm just skeptical if suprises like invaders have ever been implemented in a way congruent with the rest of each game, since literally nothing becomes a suprise once you've put in hundereds of hours, which is true of most MH games for me.
I dunno, I remember going into certain hunts in 3U praying I wouldn't run into deviljho only for him to show up causing me to audibly scream
Make invader monsters invisible on the map, make them non-wyvern-ridable, raise their HP pool, make them aggressive in showing up (but not overly so) and the issues with Rise invader monsters would be mostly rectified. Totally agree with you though