Criminologist Reviews Serial Killers From Movies & TV | Vanity Fair
Criminologist David Wilson reviews notorious serial killers from films and television including 'Zodiac,' 'Dexter,' 'The Silence of the Lambs,' 'Se7en,' 'Psycho,' 'Ma,' 'American Psycho,' 'No Country For Old Men,' 'Riverdale,' 'Copycat' and 'Mindhunter.'
00:00 - Intro
00:47 - 'Zodiac'
04:57 - 'Dexter'
07:19 - 'The Silence of the Lambs'
08:41 - 'Se7en'
11:35 - 'Psycho'
14:39 - 'Ma'
16:39 - 'American Psycho'
19:34 - 'No Country For Old Men'
21:36 - 'Riverdale'
23:04 - 'Copycat'
24:47 - 'Mindhunter'
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imagine getting a phd in criminology, being a professor, and being as successful as this guy, and then you have to watch a riverdale clip.
lol
Riverdale is fun if you don't take it seriously. Sometimes you just wanna get drunk and watch something stupid and it is generally more entertaining(laughing at and with) than whatever is on some CBS crime procedural. I will gladly watch whatever nonsense Riverdale has over Criminal Minds or Law and Order SVUSEEYOUNEXTTUESDAY
Andy T. Zeppo, PhD
Dude's getting paid, you're overthinking it....
Imagine slaving for years in academia until you get a PhD and a position as a professor, all the research, interviewing horrible people, waiting patiently for your time to come - and then vanity fair comes around and gives you a very healthy paycheck for discussing some stupid little TV series and films for half an hour.
I can’t believe they made this poor man watch a riverdale clip
You can see how disappointed he was🤣
Lmao that show is so ridiculous
I STARTED LAUGHING
Serial killers are bad people, but these people... these people are monsters!
You poor people who judge Riverdale, is not the point. The point is, what is happening at that moment. Doesn't matter what show it is. 😑🤦♂️
I love how this man has dealt with the worst evil among us but he's nice and kind enough to warn of a spoiler alert for the movie Se7en
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This guy concludes with compassion. He has a great deal of integrity.
Perfectly put.
I felt his compassion as well. We need people like him in law enforcement, schools, organized religions.
I liked that bit too.
A lot of psychopaths love to be high standing detectives and find the immoral people in the world. You never know.
you just yapping and make no sense
Everyone: He's a monster! He's a psychopath! He's pure evil! He's a criminal mastermind! David Wilson: He's a loser.
*funny comment*
kzhead.info/sun/Z6tvlZiMmHyunoE/bejne.html Is here him?⬆️
I think younger people and people who just don't think much into it agree with the Hollywood stereotype around serial killers, but folks who have a vested interest in true crime and that side of the world recognize that serial killers are genuinely socially inept losers whose only advantage in getting away with the crime is thinking they have the right to take another life.
It's funny because a lot of the time serial killer want to be viewed as these larger than life figures. But he's getting the last insult by calling them what they truly are "losers".
😏🎯👊🖤
This man looks the entire internet in the face and says serial murderers are losers and betas. Legend.
It’s smart. The uncaught ones might feel irritated enough so that they slip up so him and his colleagues can catch them haha
Beta. 😂
this guy likes to press the "i win" button. beta is... better than alpha. one trait of the losers is, to call others losers.
@@lxvideostuff7200 alpha and beta are the Greek Equivalents of A and B. Why is one better than the other.
@@the4tierbridge development stages ;)
This guy is great, he’s a lecturer at my university. His classes are so great and thought provoking.
what uni?
@@hattiedesa39 Birmingham City University in England. Any of the criminology courses he is a lecturer on.
Amazing ❤ I would love to hear one.
He's so handsome!
@@Chaos-co1iv I'm thinking of taking my BA in UK but I don't know where exactly but now, thanks to you, I know exactly where I want to be next year, inshallah.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="30">00:30</a> the fava beans line is actually pretty in character for Lecter. All of those foods are high in vitamin A which would clash with his medication. It's Lecter, always believing himself the smartest in the room, dropping hints that he's not on his meds because he knows nobody is smart enough to get it. He's mocking them.
yeah i felt like maybe he missed the nuance of that line!! of course the delivery would be funny to hear in person but lecter would be a creepy guy to be around with how calculating he is!😅
But what if nobody cared smart enough to sit in a cell I don’t understands and I’m diagnosed aspd
@@ploobusdongle4842 I don't think he missed the nuance, it simply isn't realistic. Most serial killers don't operate that way.
also, Clarice is an FBI trainee and Lecter knows that, so it's more plausible it would scare her and not someone like this or Jack Crawford, to stay in-universe.
Oh wow! That's interesting
"Many serial killers are beta males trying to be alphas. They are losers." Every serial killer out there: *And I took that personally*
He is living his last days.
@@m1lst3r89 like your mom
@@griheettandra5417 do you have a problem?
Except there is no such thing as alpha or beta. humans or dogs or any animal.
@@sdgc8667 well, I don't count simps and wimps as men.
That is a seriously impressive teacher, I can imagine him holding a 2 hour lecture without a second of boredom.
Absolutely: He’s a talented man & has so much knowledge to offer..
I have been to one of his lectures and I can assure you… you are not wrong!
Ops right we run out of time but if anyone would like to stay behide and ask any qwestions feel free... "Everyone stays seated"
I went to one of his introductory lectures in Criminology at Birmingham City University and it was definitely captivating!
I'd watch that
This man is a legend. Such an educational video. Glad to finally see a professional speak about this highly misportrayed and sadly fetishized topic
Spot on.
I love how the dude just comes out and says that a moral universe objectively exists and serial killers are pathetic losers. He's dealt with so many self-aggrandizing nihilists that he's just completely over it.
"beta males" "they're losers" this man just roasted every killer to walk the earth, if only the news humiliated them instead of giving them cool names and speaking about them with so much curiosity
I think it would just make things worse because it's using shame.
Beta male 👆🏻
@@user-ly3tc8qm4b I'm not any of that mate and I'm a female
@@cass8330 sympathetic to betas then.... 😁
@@user-ly3tc8qm4b I think your thinking is dangerous & is the cause of a lot of unnecessary suffering.
"I now encounter overkill and mutilation all the time" was probably one of the scariest things he said
Really? If they're going to kill you anyway, what happens after isn't as scary.
same, i was hoping he would elaborate more on that. I know violence must have increased significantly during the pandemic but i didn't know overkill and mutilation has become more common; it's terrifying
@@JK_Clark maybe not for the victims (if we aren't talkin about torture) but for the families, relatives or friends. Death is mostly seen as smth sad in the most cultures, so knowing someone you loved were beheaded is....
@@JK_Clark I think OP is worried by what that change might mean for/say about society at large more than actually being killed themselves
Yeah it's awful
I've heard others say "no country for old men" is the most realistic psychopath. Ed Kemper scares me more than almost all others. Physically because he is 6'9". But, he was also friends with cops and blended in perfectly. Most blend in, it's true, obviously, but not necessarily with the police that were searching for them. But mostly because he's 6'9". He could do whatever he physically wanted to, to 99% of the population. Shaq might give him a struggle, but that's about it.
Kemper was also very intelligent.
@@ferox965still is I guess. He's alive what i know.
Kemper was very interesting, just like Dahmer to me. Dahmer was so normal it was horrifying.
He was also much more normal than they made him in Mindhunter. They kind of make him sound like an autistic dweeb in the show but in real life he speaks pretty normally, though very matter-of-factly.
Ridiculous. He targeted people he viewed as weaker no differently than any other killer. Why did he only target women? Plenty of men could physically give him a fight regardless of his height.
Here's the thing about the movie Zodiac. The story is absolutely chilling because you realize that the killer is not special at all. He's just another person.
the victim in that scene said the movie got him spot on and how he acted
I like that they made a film of the zodiac killer and the real killer hasn't even been caught
The worst part is it's probably Paul Doerr who died in 2007, a book was written on him as the most likely and compelling suspect, however no one is looking into it and I doubt they ever really will bother to now. But it is admittingly compelling Fincher made the film while many speculated he could have been among us. @@kathryn-yd7bh
@@thepubknight6144They filmed it where it happened with his input.
His ending rant--absolute king. Enough sensationalizing serial killers, more protection for easy targets.
U can't be a democrat in America and say your for protecting the weak when u want gun control
It's strange to see all the people in the comment section essentially celebrating victim blaming because it was framed slightly differently. But he is right, if we want to make serial killing harder to pull off, we need to start taking some responsibility for our own safety. It's not hard, do not get yourself in to situations where you are vulnerable, you don't have to be super paranoid, just don't be stupid and ask yourself if it's a good idea to put your trust in any person that you expose yourself to.
@@skitidet4302 that's when the second amendment comes into play. Get a piece to protect yourself
@@skitidet4302 that is literally not what he said. He said there needs to be more societal protection for marginalized groups. If you can’t tell the difference between that and victim blaming then you need to check your ears.
@@Littlestraincloud I just read between the lines. Are you incapable of thinking about the implications of his cryptic and honeyed words? How would you protect victims? You can't assign a police officer to everyone of them, you could install cameras everywhere like we are doing but that is very dystopian and I don't trust our states with that kind of power. So ultimately, the way to make victims be protected is to make them protect themselves by taking responsibility for their own safety by putting the onus on them to not expose themselves to unnecessary risk and if they do the implication is that it is partly their fault if something happens and hence victim blaming.
The thing that creeped me out the most was when Ed Kemper (in the Mindhunter show) said something like; "You only base your theories on the people you've caught."
Famous case study in usability / engineering-design. War time engineers were tasked with improving planes to be less vulnerable to getting shot down. They only had the *surviving* planes that came back bullet-ridden, but flyable. The straightforward military wanted to armor the areas most shot at, ignoring that the planes had survived *because* those areas weren't critical. Meanwhile the planes that had been hit in the other seemingly "rarely-damaged" areas never made it back at all, and so were never counted. We make this same cognitive mistake _all the time_ E.g. In entrepreneurship, we interview the rare success stories as if they're visionaries who knew exactly what to do. Versus seeing them as lucky unicorns who didn't fall prey to all the common pitfalls that claimed every other business (bad timing, public opinion, workforce issues, etc)
@@37thraven Yep. Survivorship bias is what it's called.
Kemper was so smart.. spoke scary truth too.
@Jerry P Which truths? @@smaakjeks Glad to see the biases are getting well known! I figured itd be better to give examples rather than just the term :)
@@37thraven Well, I studied ethology, so I dunno how well I represent the average person in terms of knowing game theory.
Mindhunter was such a good show ! So disappointed they stopped it
That cancelation hurts to this day
RIP Mindhunter :(
Me too
It was a perfect show! WHYYYYYY?!? 😭
It's been renewed for another season! Next year if I recall.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1126">18:46</a> I love that he noted this. Bale's performance as Bateman was so brilliant, you can clearly see and hear the difference in his recollection of murdering prostitutes, homeless, other women which is distressed and anxious, and his recollection of killing Paul Allen, which is self-assured, confident, and even boastful. He really didn't regret killing Paul (if he even did kill him)
Nice to see him not glorifying or fantasizing the murderers. He calls them "losers" and "incompetent". Edit: please stop with the redundant "what he actually meant" know-it-all replies. I get at least one a day and I'm over it.
A change of pace. People are real odd these days
Definitely. I think people are so fascinated by murderers like Ted Bundy and tend to humanize them and try to sympathize with them. I think that situation (with Bundy) was made worse by a attractive man like Zac Efron playing him.
@@lauras5359 yeah but it is said that bundy was very charming and played off the fact that he seemed non-threatening and attractive to lure women in. Zac Effron playing him is pretty accurate to what actually happened (and the movie is based in a book by bundy's long time (ex)girlfriend). It is important to show people that serial killers can be pretty, and charming, and that they aren't always ugly monsters. If someone humanizes a serial killer just because he is attractive, than that's on them, not on the actor/moviemakers.
@@luizafett6642 that makes sense. For me personally, I don't find Ted Bundy attractive at all. Although maybe that's just because I know he's a serial killer. If I saw on the streets back when he was active, I'd probably see him as non-threatening.
@@popcorn1601 that's really interesting, but I don't think all serial killers are incompetent. I just liked how he was letting us know there's nothing special about them, and they don't deserve admiration. I know they're not stupid, a friend of my family's brother was killed by John Wayne Gacy in Chicago. They had no idea he was even a victim til the cops identified his remains under his house.
'Serial killers are usually just losers" ...yeah that's a summary I'm ok with.
That makes all their victim even bigger losers because they got owned by a loser... Are you also ok with that?
@@stefvanbust552go pick a fight with someone else kid
@@stefvanbust552 fyi his point was that they are losers which is why they behave this way, to exert power. Are you offended that he called serial killers losers bro? Are you a serial killer or a serial killer groupie? gross
@@IceQeen1011 No, im not offended by his point. It's just cringe that people like you cope with it. Like you feel less of a loser because you haven't killed anyone yet?
@@stefvanbust552this is illogical. Comeback when you have a decent argument to make. Gotta say it is quite entertaining listening to someone get triggered over my comment. :'D
There’s an excellent essay called Highway of Lost Girls by Vanessa Veselka recalling her time hitchhiking as a young runaway that pretty much reaffirms the underlying theme in this video: victims are often the people society cares least about.
Like Native Americans? Or men? Or black people?
@AWlpsSHOW36 men? Lmfao okay
Victims are usually the people they can get at. They don't essentially care who they are, prostitutes, hitch hikers are vulnerable and easy prey. So that's what they go for, other than that, they don't think beyond that.
@@SilverstreamPJ28 By far the largest group of victims of violent crime.
I love how this man called out that we need to keep an eye on our vulnerable people, and make sure they become less vulnerable.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1274">21:14</a> - “If somebody like [him] existed in real life, he wouldn't need to kill, because he's so powerful and in control anyway, he'd be running multinational corporations, he'd be running for president” - I am officially scared.
There's a reason that a disproportionate amount of CEOs display some degree of sociopathy/psychopathy. Lacking empathy, and being a good actor, is the fastest way to power. You can't get rich by being moral, no matter how much we are told you can.
You should be but it’s kinda too late
People with genuine empathy simply don't do the things required in order to become or remain incredibly wealthy and/or powerful.
@@MrRizeAG I mean, define rich. I know a lot of people who are pretty wealthy who have held onto their soul. I don't think you become a Gates or a Bezos, but there's plenty of people making 6 figures who are small business owners, engineers, doctors, software devs, managers, etc.
@@crusherven Rich is beyond 6 figures. Actual wealth. No care or regard for anything. Small business owners, engineers, doctors, software devs, managers, etc... aint' it.
This man has nerves of steel. And he is right, we need to look out for the victims instead of glamorizing the serial killers themselves
I'll always feel the victims. But please remember when he talks to the killers ect he's never alone with them . Remember someone with nothing to lose has nothing to lose
@@pemj7360 I don't mean physical safety, I'm aware he's protected through out the interview process. But hearing all of these terrible things that these people have done and their thought processes can incredibly disturbing and draining even to trained professionals. Burn out in this profession is a real problem. Having the emotional and mental fortitude to keep going as he has is what amazes me.
Nerves of steel? He isnt interview them without protection.
We also glamorize narcissistic behavior like Trumps as being "alpha male". Unfortunately this makes some people think it's cool to be a ghetto gangster or proud boy/oath keeper instead of being a decent human being.
@@googlefashists4986 It's a pity you see only 2 options here.
The casual way he is actually empathetic, accepting, compassionate, and more intersectional than 99% of law enforcement officers 😭
Your word salad spilled all over your keyboard.
Sooooooo interesting. The way he categorises them 'process and act driven' the way he describes those who think they're on a moral crusade, 'on a parallel moral universe'. The way he speaks about the 'seductive' nature of some of them. The way he gives validity to aspects of some scenes. So knowledgeable. I was sad to hear 'overkill' has worsened since the pandemic 😔
This guy should breakdown a bunch of Criminal Minds episodes
or Dexter, he could compare Dex' to the killers he kills
That's the first thing I thought
I came in the comments section to say the exact same thing.
Or the guy who created the BAU!
Tons of them are based on real cases/killers.
Very satisfying to see him call out Riverdale on the ridiculous story
They could have shown any other clip of Riverdale and still would be seen as ridiculous
@@marinadeburgos8666 forreal
@@marinadeburgos8666 P
So I shouldn't add Riverdale to my watch list then? Didn't really plan to, but good to know. Skipped "Ma" though. Haven't seen it yet.
@@jdice6868 the first season is the only not wildly ridiculous season tbh. Its not good, but I went into it stoned and it was fun lol. Wouldn't rewatch it sober tho tbh
I love that he took the task very seriously and while pointing out what the clips got wrong, he never trashed them, aftr all I think he understands is a tool to both entertain people and make them aware that danger is out there, cliches and all, this things serve a purpose: help society realize we have a problem. I would love to talk to this guy and here his stories
i was lucky enough to be lectured by david last semester in my university. he’s so knowledgable & they were some of the most interesting lectures i’ve ever been in.
Could we have a show just with this guy? He's absolutely captivating.
He's great isn't he? He's on many, many crime docs. Love him.
KZhead his name. He’s done loads of documentaries. One of Britain’s finest
Emphasis on the "captive" part. I'm implying he's a serial killer.
@@mammon_is_god 🤨
@@mammon_is_god "Takes One To Know One ! " I'm looking at you, Mammon ! B-)
Netflix really screwed up by canceling Mindhunter. Absolutely stellar show
Honestly was such a good show
truly, so many loose ends i wish they could just tie up with a s3 :/
The problem with a show like Mindhunter was that it was really giving the caught serial killers exactly what they wanted, an acknowledgement of their crimes and a chance to relive them listening to someone else describe them. Imagine the rich fantasy life the show was giving to other serial killers that had not been caught yet. "Someday they will have someone portray me and my kills on TV. I should step up my game to make sure they notice me." Now, I am not saying that this is the reason the show was pulled, but it does raise an interesting Moral issue for making that type of show.
@@MrJayateabug it wasn't about serial killers. It was about the formation of the section of the FBI that hunted them. You missed the point of the show entirely
@@csvega I didn't miss the point, I know what the show was about and it very much also showed serial killers and told their stories. To the Killers its a win for them.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1278">21:18</a> I love this insight there. Plenty of psychopaths with power fantasies exist, what makes them killers is when they cannot satiate that fantasy in a way that is socially accepted.
This was amazing!! I felt like I was watching a college lecture. He spoke so passionately and was so informative that I never felt bored. Thank you for this amazing video.
We needed a PHD Criminologist to tell us that Riverdale is complete nonsense.
Ikr🥲
People need to get over the Riverdale part, what they need to say is how badly the show ended and the last season was garbage. It should have ended after their high school prom, instead of bringing them back like 5-7 years later. After that, they lost me. It's like Supernatural, I absolutely loved the show (way more then Riverdale, obviously) but should have ended after Season 5. Just saying, also, keep on rocking!
Do we really tho 😂
😂😂
I don’t think a PHD is needed for that though…
The ending was great; we are often so obsessed with the killers themselves but we should be focusing on the systemic issues that affect a large number of the victims of the killers
We do through the study of Victimology. This goes hand in hand with studying Criminology. He is only covering one side here purposefully.
@@tinabynum8786 yes very important to note the difference between talking about serial killers and their action, and Romanticizing serial killers.
@@afckingmess I agree, there's so much money and time going towards fetishising murderers and serial killers, while little to no focus is paid to the victims.
Exactly! And only 1% of murders in the US are serial killer murders? There are a lot of more pressing issues regarding violent crime, fascinating or baffling as we may find serial murder.
Also as Denis Neilson said we only care about people after they are killed by a serial killer. Like the women jack the ripper killed.
"Of late, I've seen overkill, during the pandemic, become much more common. I now encounter overkill and mutilation all the time" That right there is scary part. Since we had to limit our interactions with others, we decided to take our time with the few we actually did encounter with ...
I thought it was scary since it reminded me that there are people still getting murdered
Yeah lots of people went to join ISIS and then returned to Europe
We ‘had’ to? No, we were forced to.
It could be the lack of interaction, or it could be the level of radicalization in media and news that caused mass histeria.
I’m surprised people aren’t talking about this more… I think it’s a reflection on our society and it’s chilling.
My wife and I were casually watching Zodiac and when it came to the Lake Berryessa scene (where we have been, we’re locals) she had no idea what was going to happen (I was already very familiar with the Zodiac murders). Now she refuses to relax by any lake/reservoir if its just us. 😅 That’s such a rough scene. I cannot believe one of them survived.
absolutely love how he talked about the need to focus on the safety of populations who are most likely to be targeted by serial killers. those with the least protections are most vulnerable to this kind of murder
Texas did just that.
@@peaknonsense2041 Yeah, the regressive party strikes again. It’s really unfortunate how Texas seems more worried about what’s in a woman’s uterus rather than protecting the citizenry of the state.
@@dozzer009 Woman's uterus? Men can get pregnant too. Try to keep up with the mental gymnastics your party requires.
What a sad, horrible little person you are.
@@lucyhall5026 Yes, all that danger PPD brings to our safe spaces. Not to mention the noise & BO. He is little and sad, but now he's lol at you.
The remark he made about encountering more “overkill” murders since the pandemic started is so sad.
that entirely sent a chill down my spine. i think we sort of disassociate serial murder with a different era but theyre occurring within this time.
I was very curious about the reason though. I thought he was going to explain the link between high rate of overkill crimes and the pandemic, but he didn't and now I'm wondering
@@katesay1559 I'm no expert, but perhaps the group frustration of being couped up heightens the killer's emotions? They are agitated because we are. Also, their "prey" is hiding and out of reach, increasing frustration.
@@katesay1559 I was hoping he’d elaborate on it as well. I guess it’s just not part of his job to speculate on that sort of thing.
@Bubbles huh 🤔?
I would find it interesting if he analyzed the Trinity Killer who is the antagonist of the fourth season of Dexter.
The ending was great. Instead of sensationalizing or trying to find a motive in these freaks, focus on protecting the most vulnerable of society. You’ll never rationalize evil, but you can protect and listen to those who are most at risk
Fun Fact. I watched an interview with a criminal psychologist who said something very interesting. He said that dangerous sociopaths are a really really small minority *among* sociopaths. He said that most sociopaths are completely harmless. They in fact, are usually the most law abiding, middle of the road people you'd ever meet. Neither lazy or hard working, normal to the point of abnormal if that makes sense. He said that dangerous sociopaths are usually ones that can feel some emotions that most can't. Like they don't feel guilt but do feel anger or jealousy.
Yes , they're usually people that do dangerous professions such as police officer or fireman . What makes a sociopath a killer is the upbringing, usually they're relationship with their mother and father
Sometimes they get elected POTUS like in 2016.
Sounds like me mum.💀
To be fair if memory serves the medical definition of ASPD is indifference to causing harm, not actively pursuing it, which explains this. Though murder or not most do tend to leave a trail of misery behind them before they hone the facade enough to pass for normal and sociable.
@@lizardog every leader of every poltical party in the world is a sociopath. They can't get to the top by having morals, or compassion or empathy. They are all the same, they only care about themselves, power, money and influence and how to hang on to it.
When he said serial killers are never extraordinary they’re just normal people it reminded me of the show Narcos when Murphy is finally standing over Escobars body “You spend so much time building him up in your head, but when you see him, the devil is a real let down”
Spoiler alert!
@@lostandwastedtime I don't think you can call it a spoiler alert when it is a real event. That is like saying "Spoiler Alert" while watching Sully and seeing the plane land safely on the Hudson, or the execution of Anne Boleyn in The Tudors.
What Escobar died! Please don’t tell me how “Titanic” ends!
It's kind of like when someone tells a story.. the story is always better than what actually happened
They are not extraordinary, except that they kill for fun.
I stumbled upon this and it was fascinating! I could listen to Mr. Wilson for hours. He immediately had me hooked. Great video!
A very positive and thoughtful interview, with important perspectives at the very end. I have got much more out of this interview than just a "reaction" to movie scenes. It was much deeper and very-very detailed, pure joy.
I liked his point on No Country for Old Men, about how a psychopath this powerful wouldn't need to kill to get power, he'd be running corporations. Touché.
In Jon Ronson's The Psycopath Test he mentioned that psychopathy in the U.S. population is about 1%, but estimated to be about 3% among executive leadership.
@@johnelstad It's got to be higher than 1%.
As I’ve already commented and will again: No Country For Old Men isn’t trying to replicate a serial killer you donkey, if anything the embodiment of death and the surrogate of the movie’s ultimate meaning. While his character is more symbolic than nuanced and fairly unexplained, he shows potential to do whatever he chooses, yet he chooses to be death and abide by his law; I do not think his psyche should be analyzed, but rather what he represents. Sidenote, chigurh has an unwavering philosophy/set of principles to him that he even respects to a fault shown near the end of the film; the natural world’s game of chance in a godless and amoral lack of karma.
@@PoorEdward , donkey? Seriously? You might try improving your reading skills before name-calling. I'm merely commenting on his point about psychopaths, not the movie.
@@PoorEdward Wow you watched some KZhead videos analysing a movie serial killer. Now you can go around insulting people because you are smarter than them. Very cool
I love his last statement. 100% yes to challenging how our society "protects" those most vulnerable in our society.
I'm wondering why we don't have PSAs to help people be aware of and avoid online and telephone scams, especially during TV programs whose audiences skew older. Seems like it would be worth the effort and collectively take a lot of money out of the hands of criminals.
@@jmodified good idea
100%.
@lbarowski1 actually, those statistically don't make a lot of change when applied.
I could listen to him all day. Found this so fascinating. I love crimonology. So interesting.
i really like his ending note about how we should focus on the victims rather than obsessing to ente the mind of a serial killer
David's comment about seeing more 'overkill' during the pandemic is absolutely fascinating and something I'd like to see elaborated on in the future
More like scary
Yes, this was terrifying to hear, and I don’t know why more people aren’t talking about it.
@@OrangeCat1992 Its because you will get a gag order if you attempt to discuss the mental health issues of locking people in their homes while they watch helplessly as their businesses crumble, or believe everything the fear mongering media claims.
@@rpm427sc what are you talking about? Every news network that I and my groupe of very politically diverse friends watch have discussed the psychological effects of the lockdowns and crumbling econony.
@@humanistwriting5477 I was referring to social media policy. On KZhead if you questioned it you would have your video taken down/demonetized, or if you mentioned anything like that on other platforms, it would be tagged as misinformation have have the "fact check" link appear above your video title. Twitter would just outright delete your posts or ban you.
This guy is absolutely fascinating. Would love to see more with him.
i recommend all his bbc programmes
He needs to do a part 2.
I was about to say the exact same thing. Would love to just sit and have a conversation with him, or basically just hearing him talk about true crime!
He looks way more younger than 64
Watch any British made crime documentary and you've got about an 80% chance of him appearing
wow! Love the closing remarks. Thank you!
This was brilliant! Thank you!
"I now encounter overkill and mutilation all the time" - people never think about the fact that all this goes on right under our noses as we live our normal lives. Creepy
Had the same thought. There are only so many famous serial killers so it seems like a rather rare thing. It’s not.
It is scary. Glad I’m not the only one that noticed this comment. It definitely makes me a bit more scared of incells, police, and crazy political/religious people that take it too far
@@drdrdrk less than 1% of murders are serial killers
@@drdrdrk Thats because we dont put serial killers on the news and in the newspaper nowadays as it incentivises them so we dont really know anymore
Great. The pandemic is really messing up people, making the already bad to worse.
There's a documentary that interviews the guy who was stabbed by Zodiac at Lake Berryessa. He basically said the movie scene captures it exactly as it happened. Like word for word dialogue, everyone dressed just right, filmed in almost the exact spot. It's also amazing how well the guy turned out considering what happened to him.
Someone should question that director....
That is honestly heartbreaking.. I always hope those scenes are dramatized. To learn it's pretty much detail for detail.. Gives me a terrible sense of dread.
@@samvodopianov9399 David Fincher: same guy who made Se7en and Mindhunter.... uh ohhh...
kzhead.info/sun/Z6tvlZiMmHyunoE/bejne.html Is here him?⬆️
@@samvodopianov9399 the victim gave him the ok to film that part
absolutely love the final comments. amazing insight
This was incredibly informative and interesting. Well done!
It's amazing how much knowledge he attained over the years with face to face encounters with actual killers
This guy again... Truly omnipresent in KZhead commentary sections..
@@twistedhermit2839 true
Here he is
The new Justin Y
Its amazing how experienced carpenters know about carpentry. Great observation mate.
I enjoy this genre of video, but I was really impressed with Dr. Wilson's conclusion: I do not care about these killers, how do we better protect the people who are most often victimized?
Teach them how to protect themselves, that's how. It's quite simple, really. You can't rely on the police or government to protect you but for some reason that's too hard for many to realize.
Really? That's the only part I hated. Yes let's make victims responsible for their own safety
@@queenmerla Goddammit that is a good point.
@@queenmerla I don’t think that what he meant. I understood it to be “how can we protect the most vulnerable members of our society”
@@queenmerla is that really how you interpreted that?
One of the more interesting reviews. I'd love to see a lecture by David Wilson.
Thank you for this video. Makes me understand some people in my life better.
he elaborates and explains the thought process and psychology behind the killers rather than just picking apart the “movie exaggeration or realistics”. he articulates well in a way that is easy for people to understand him, without having to necessarily speak his “language”. I would absolutely love to see more of him.
A true master in his field.
thats exactly what i was thinking. really enjoyed listening to him.
Very very late to this party but he has a podcast called 'if it bleeds it leads' its quite good
The end message about the fight we ACTUALLY have to fight is everything. THANK YOU.
ABSOLUTELY!!! This was the most insightful thing about the entire video and I agree wholeheartedly.
Legalise prostitution in the United States. How is one of the most dangerous jobs in the entire world supposed to become safer if the people working can't even report violence they've experienced?
@@oggyboggy8692 This sums it up perfectly
His message at the end was actually one narrow perspective of criminology, and it is likely the most popular and easy to understand. I would’ve thought a professional would at least have the decency to declare that he was promoting just one theory of crime as he did it but apparently not. Never mind the hard works thousands of academics worldwide have put into learning different perspectives of crime and deviance
@@mavv0589 I'm sure you're an academic.
I absolutely love this man and his perspective. god only know what he went through in his life as a criminologist especially being in close contact with murderers, but this was very insightful and interesting to watch. hope he is back on the channel :)
The interviewing the serial killer thing does happen (well at least once). The green river killer was spoken to by police more than once I believe. Then later they caught him through DNA so they knew it was him. He'd previously shown up on their radar even if they weren't sure it was him.
He convinced them to leave him alone. It was a forensic paint chip that linked him to the victims clue. My best friend told me she escaped him when he gave her a ride, she didn't know any English and had no idea what he was saying to her. She was married, I think he was married so they left each other alone. She had to get protection and mental help after the incident.
I thought of a time it happened here in the UK. The Soham murders. Two young girls went missing on a walk. The murderer was interviewed by a journalist and the police during door to door questioning in the area the girls walked. He was a local school caretaker who knew the girls and he said they walked past his house. It turned out he was the one who killed them and his girlfriend had provided a false alibi for him. Not a serial killer and the police were rightfully suspicious of him but still. He had several interviews before he was arrested.
Yorkshire ripper is another.
True
“This idea is just complete nonsense.” I’m pretty sure this statement can be applied to every episode of Riverdale. At least the writers are consistent, I guess.
😂literally
It’s the only thing they had, consistency. Then they came out with season 5…
😂😂😂
Probably fair to say it applies to every episode of any CW show.
Anthony Hopkin’s character in Silence of the Lambs could have been talking about cake and ice cream, and I would have pissed myself.
Stay strong mate
^ after seeing their username -so sweet :3
Just be polite and courteous and you may survive your conversation about cake and ice cream
and yet one of the most realistic killer in that film is buffalo bill ..didnt say a dam thing about it
You cant eat liver, beans or wine while taking MAOIs so he's basically saying hes not on his meds
Brilliant. Loved him. straight forward and articulate. He speaks with such clarity
Loved his last quote. So so true. (You might add the handicapped/chronically ill, but only related to killings, I'm not sure if they're as much a target as the elderly are)
Red wine and some beans are foods you can not eat while on certain anti-psychotics. So when Hannibal said "Fava beans and a nice chianti." What he is really saying is "I'm off my meds."
Beans?! Uh who told you that? Alcohol is certainly not recommended, but I've never had a shrink or pharmacist say don't eat beans while you're taking that Risperdal
@@tfgrrl2042 it’s to do with being high in vitamin A
@caramel101010 beans? Not really. An entire cup of black-eyed peas only give 7% of your DV for Vit A. A cup of mango has 10%.
@@tfgrrl2042 i looked it up to be sure “Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) could have been used to treat him, and what are the three things you're not allowed to eat while taking them? Liver, beans and wine. As a psychiatrist, Lecter would have known this, so as well as making Clarice uncomfortable he was cracking a joke for his own amusement and hinting that he hasn't been taking his meds.”
@@la.uraloxI don’t think that’s likely. I’m an OBGYN, not a psychiatrist, but severe ASPD with aggressive behavior is treated first line with antipsychotics, and the second line is another antipsychotic. SSRIs are also sometimes used. An MAO inhibitor is not an antipsychotic. It maaay be used to treat comorbid anxiety but it’s not even the first or second line treatment for that. Grapefruit can increase the levels of some antipsychotics, and alcohol can compound CNS depression with antipsychotics, but there’s nothing about fava beans with antipsychotics.
The suggestions about how to reduce serial murder was good. We do need to have a grown up talk about those topics.
Absolutely!!
That homophobia thing kinda came out of nowhere though.
@@Mant111 Maybe theyre targeted more? I dont know what else it could be
@@Mant111 40% are pedophiles
@@helix5779 Source?
Great interview. Very informative. Thank you.
This guy needs his own show or something, don’t care what it is just get him in front of a camera and keep him talking. He is absolutely built for stardom with that voice, mannerisms, and personality. I’d watch anything with this guy in it, he’s truly captivating.
@🕷a straight white man🕸 ??
Someone in the comments said he has a series on Amazon prime. I haven’t looked into it yet
Amazon: Crime Files with David Wilson
@@csvega Thank you!
Just search his name there’s loads ☺️
It's terrifying to think that quite a lot of people in huge power positions may very well be psychopaths... I know that psychopathy by itself isn't evil, but it gives me the chills
They’re everywhere.
i have known several and they always are skirting the edge. It is the implicit hypocrisy that sets the stage for evil. Seems to be more and more common lately, but the reaction against it is there too.
You don't get to amass power and fortune by being a kind soul, I'm afraid
You should check out the book "the wisdom of psychopaths". Gives great insight as to why some of those traits are actually beneficial to society
@@Ryan-Fkrepublicnz Psychopaty more common? People don't genetically change in a generation or even many generations. The ubiquitous nature of warfare in the past probably created way more psychopaths. The consequences of psychopathy in the corporate world ARE getting a lot more attention after the 2008 crash, however.
Loved this video and his thoughts at the end!
Fascinating talk, I had a huge pleasure watching such educated comments on the topic
this video proves that people can say very interesting, intelligent things about serial killers without glamorizing them!
Serial killers shouldn't be glamorized. They're monsters, not human. In my opinion, serial killers and mass murderers should be reduced to nothing but numbers.
@@foolslayer9416 exactly look at the people the demographic of people glamorizing even peters playing Jeffrey Dahmer is disgusting because he purposely targeted minorities people are fvcking gross. I have seen people make videos on why they sympathize with Jeffrey Dahmer to a certain extent maybe but people are really sick and make me angry who sympathizes with a serial killer I don’t care about their past at that point I don’t care if they can’t help it if it’s something mentally wrong with them
I don’t think many movies glamourise them.. They end up caught or dead in the end, it shows you how they may think and behave- what to look out for. You still have to make it interesting enough for people to pay attention… So I can understand how it can look like romanticising and such.
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I love that you've given him a platform to talk about the true issues that face our cultures. Namely: not "understanding" serial killers, but rather how we treat and help those people who are vulnerable to attack because they lack power.
Wonderful presentation. His closing statement was so powerful.
Anyone read The Sandman comic series by Neil Gaiman? The title character deals with a serial killer convention by condemning them always, to know just how much of a loser each and every one of them - taking away their dreams and delusions of them being special people, or supermen, or the like. This video really reminded me of that.
I love what he said at the end about addressing social issues and protecting by the vulnerable as a way to reduce not just serial murder, but all murder in our culture 👏🏼 👏🏼 Such a good point.
Ot just protecting them but asking why it happened that the elderly in our society have become vulnerable to such crimes.
Indeed, since I heard that, I check up on my elderly and foolish parents more often...
I don't want more of him talking about tv and movies, I want to see this guy talking about his life and career. He seems so interesting
He has two books you can buy!
TV and movies are more interesting than life
@@abdullahbhinder9023 I beg to differ... Art imitates life.. And fact is usually stranger than fiction
@@abdullahbhinder9023 what a dull view
What a fantastically interesting man. Thank you for putting this up.
Been actually looking forward to see a vid like that.
David Wilson, you are an absolute legend. This dude just sat there, looked at these psychopaths and called them virgin losers. I love him
@@Walterwhiteww2no, they wouldn't. They're weak losers who target vulnerable people, not criminologists.
no wonder that so often serial killer s newer get caught
They are definitely losers but usually not virgins for….reasons
I have reviewed this a couple of times to catch it, but he never says virgins. In fact several of them have been married, he only says "simply a loser"....
@@danielgreen6302 joke /jōk/ noun noun: joke; plural noun: jokes a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline. "she was in a mood to tell jokes"
Absolutely loved this. Not only it's a very interesting topic, but this man is so charismatic, intelligent and well spoken.
Excellent stuff. Of course he commented on some of the best serial killer movies and tv shows. The Dexter analysis is a little bloated. There is a moral hierarchy and who knows if Dexter kills for this reason but he certainly tries to only kill very bad people who have slipped through the cracks of the system, for the most part. He loved his wife and kids as much as most husbands do. Just likeable in many ways, not that anyone or serial killer in the world is a Dexter though many out there try to kill for good purpose, like crazy religions, countries still do, and are not as good as Dexter is.
@@oppothumbs1 many serial killers have loved their wives and children, there is no moral hierarchy if you’re choosing immoral activities to prove a point. Of course as a viewer I enjoyed watching him kill those gross killers ,but what he said stands correct
Copycat was really underrated though maybe a little silly at moments. Mindhunter is fascinating and hoping for more on Netflix.
I'd love to have a joint with him imagine the convos
@Ğ Å Đ why do you feel this way out of interest ?
Amazing interview
The conclusions at the end were quite astounding and depressing. Serials murders as a systemic issue is more about how our societies fail those at the bottom than about good policing.
I agree that a lot of the Hannibal Lecter scenes are actually weirdly comical. It's like "Dude, I get that you're a serial killer! You don't have to hiss at me, and you just spit all over me" lol
I think it's in the uncanny valley, so it becomes even more unsettling
I'd say it's appropriate since Lecter clearly enjoys being so theatrical and what he enjoys even more is that Clarice is unsettled by that.
Rather have his spit on me than some of the other bodily fluids that were flying about in that prison 👀
Nah, they're great. Calm down, kid.
😄
As a criminologist myself I just have to say how lovely it was to hear him speak. Truly delightful, thank you for this!
I was actually contemplating being a criminologist, but university is heccin expensive.
@@lampylightbulb are you american?
🖤👊
@Ayman Mohamed lol
@@lampylightbulb Just go murder someone. Nothing beats first hand education
This was exscellent, especially the positive message at the end. Thanks.👍
I cannot imagine being in such a position myself, having to figure these people out, but at the same time, I'm glad people like this man exist to do it.
The scariest thing about Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal is the fact that he never blinks. Try staring at someone like that for more than a 4-5 seconds and you will see them squirm if not get all out defensive.
Stare at them like that for a few seconds and see how fast they turn around to look at you...
It's weird to me how often people blink in the first place. I blink about 2x a minute on average but for most people it's 15-20x a minute! I feel like my vision would constantly be adjusting if I blinked so often XD
Plus he will eat yr brain if he gets hangry.
Maybe you should stop staring at people and counting their blink ratios. Creep
@@DanceySteveYNWA lmao I'm not counting their blinks silly. I knew I didn't blink often as people kinda commented on it. So I decided to look up if there was an average, and if my decreased blinking might be explained by my autism. Turns out most people on average blink 20x more than I do, and that yes, it can be related to autism. I just have very efficient eyes for a staring contest, I don't use it for evil (like counting blinks without consent). :P
His last statement about the elderly is spot on. Here in Ontario a nurse was killing seniors in long term care homes. She did this for years because everyone thought they died of old age.
He should do a spot on Andrew Cuomo sending infected people into nursing homes for elderly people to kill them.
Around 7:12 - "A significant amount of Healthcare workers have been serial killers." I think so many people just glossed over that. Edit: changed timestamp
Harold Shipman, Beverley Allitt, Colin Norris just to name a few
There have been a couple nurses in hospitals I've heard off who purposely gave wring medicine to kill patients. In the last 10 years. Scary how I never associated them with serial killers but they are.
That’s so sad
This guy concludes with compassion. He has a great deal of integrity.. This guy concludes with compassion. He has a great deal of integrity..
I’m screaming riverdale everywhere I go
This video was excellent stuff. Thank you for creating it.
This is the kind of intelligent speakers we should be listening to, not the people glorifying murderers. His poignant conclusion shines a light on ways we can make positive change.
The fact that this video exists is glorifying murders. Good lord, would you have clicked if he was analysing white collar crime or environmental crime.
@@mavv0589 Yes, yes i would absolutely click on those videos
@@elijahlupe even if you would, the masses wouldn’t. Vanity Fair would never make that video
@@mavv0589 So, true. But on the other hand, if videos on white collar crimes or environmental crimes were made more intriguing, more people might find them interesting. Nevertheless, in the meantime, what you say is so, so true.
It was stupid. As dumb as saying dont murder people.