Noah Lyles, Christian Coleman and Team USA 🇺🇸 will beat the 4x100 Jamaican Record 🤷🏿♂️🇯🇲
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Team Jamaica had that synergy. Frater, Carter and Usain were consistent on the same relay team from 2007-2012. Only one person changed in the line. They broke the WR together 3 times. Yohan being in 2 of them
For me, it boils down to that 3rd leg, Blake was zooming, whoever runs that, Knighton/Kerley, they have to link smoothly with Lyles on that last handoff.
I’d pick Knighton over Kerley on the 3rd leg any day of the week. When has Kerley ever beaten Knighton over a 200m sprint ? Knighton is a significantly better bend runner than Kerley.
@@jermaineayivoh8263precisely! Kerley needs a straight-away…likewise for Lyles. I actually like the order they chose, CC, to Kerley, to Knighton, to Lyles…that’s a fire order.
They can't beat that record and he knows it😊
None of them are running 9.7 for that to happen
@@lincolnclarke3989not everyone was running 9.7s when carl lewis and em set the 37.4 wr which stood for YEARS. It’s all on crisp hand offs and everyone doing their jobs.
Absolutely
@@Kenaz2226 The French had the WR with hardly a sub10 man 37.79s. The US 37.4 WR was essentially a Tom Telles SMTC team, so lots of relay chemistry there. They could handoff blindfolded.
@@StGCfiLife exactly bro!
Can see a US Team of CC, Kerley, Knighton & Lyles fall short of the 36.84 WR but still run an incredible 36.95 - 36.99. GBR with Gemili, Zharnel, Kilty & Mitchell-Blake are #3 all-time (37.36) & JPN #4 (37.43) which illustrates just how crucial getting those super slick exchanges right are! Curious as to what a JAM Team of Ackeem, Oblique, Hudson & Kishane could run in that order?!
Can honestly see them smashing the world record if the hand offs are “good”. Each runner you listed have super powers that work perfectly for the 4x1. Almost a dream 4x1.
@@donovan_99_finally someone said it preach
If CC, Kerley and Lyles are all in 9.7 shape, they have a VERY good shot at it. Of course they need to get the stick around first 😂
Chirstian running 1st leg Kerley: 2nd leg Knighton: 3rd Leg Lyles: Anchor The World Record can be threatened
Cuuuuh ion know but that's the team with the best shot at it..not saying they will but if any crew can pull it off that quartet could do it.
You read my mind.
@@TeeDominique0675 yes sir only legit track and field fans know 😎
That team I believe is 37:00 or a high of 36:90 at its best.
@@josephroach On a good day they can challenge the WR but again the keys are chemistry and handoffs.
Dont sleep on Jamaica though. Yohan & Akeem Blake, Kishane Thompson, Ryieme Forde, Rohan Watson, Seville. Not a bad squad at all.
I'm Jamaican but they're not beating US this year
@@TheDrokon the Baton doesn't go around automatically
@@TheDrokon Its relay, any number can play...watch.
JAM shouldn't be afraid of using Andrew Hudson if he's in 10.0/19.8 PB shape on that 3rd leg! Curious as to what a JAM Team of Ackeem, Oblique, Hudson & Kishane could run in that order?!
@@TheDrokonmaybe you're right,but they're not going to break that record though
The WR setting team had great exchanges and amazing foot speed as well.... the current crop of American runners just dont have that same level of foot speed to beat the Jamaican WR even if they get amazing handoffs which we all know they never get
With enough practice I think there is a chance they get good handoffs, but I agree on speed. If Lyles gets down to 9.7 high form, Coleman 9.7 high, Kerley 9.7 high & Knighton 9.9 low (but a great turn runner) that still leaves a lot. Bolt was in 9.63 shape, so even if Lyles get down to say 9.78 that's still 0.15 lost on the last leg alone. Knighton is good, 19.49 PB in the 200m is amazing, but Blake ran a 19.26 the year prior to the London WR & was motoring, I think even if Knighton runs the best turn of his life, that's another 0.15 behind, Blake was in 9.75 shape, if Knighton gets down to 9.90 that's 0.15 behind. Then Jamaica had a 9.78 & a 9.88 runner. If Coleman & Kerley both get down to 9.78ish form they can gain 0.1 there on speed. So without including hand-offs Jamaica is minimum 0.20 ahead, but likely more. US only being 0.2 behind is assuming Kerley & Coleman both get back to their peak form, Lyles becomes better than his best self & so does Knighton. If say 2 of those 4 things happen not 4/4 then we're looking at 0.40 behind, which seems more realistic. I'd guess they run a 37.20 or so with good hand-offs. They're PBs added up are also slower than when team US ran the 37.04 that including Tyson Gay & Justin Gatlin (and then Ryan Bailey was in 9.8 mid form, that was his peak season).
@@richardgallimore5976 This why you can't rely on mathematics with individual times to estimate relay times. It's not the same. Andre Degrasse has had some of the fastest anchor legs ever running sub 9 secs but he's only run sub 9.9 in the reg 100m once. Asafa Powell, according to some researchers, has the fastest leg in a 4x100 ever with 8.7 or 8.6 but he's only 4th fastest all-time with 9.72. At the very least Asafa at his best was comparable to Usain at his best when it came to relay legs and Asafa was also faster than both Gay and Blake (both of them had run faster in the individual 100m, Gay did it twice with Asafa in the race for his 9.71 and 9.69). It's the same on the women's side. Allyson Felix has one of the fastest splits in a 4x400 ever with 47.9, if I recall correctly, but she never managed to run sub 49 secs in the reg 400m where many women were faster than her. Back to the 4x100, Abby Steiner had one of the fastest splits on a curve in 2022, beating 10.7 sprinters, but her 100m PB was only 10.9. A relay is a lot different due to the running start and the team atmosphere. Knighton's 100m PB isn't comparable to how he runs on the curve with a running start. You can't figure that out with a calculator. Coleman and Kerley are faster than Nesta Carter and Michael Frater and Lyles top end speed is comparable to Gay and Bolt or in that ballpark. Remember that when Noah ran 19.31, his closing 100m was faster than Bolt's and 2nd only to Blake when he ran 19.26. Aside from Knighton, all of the supposed current US team is faster than Bailey was. I'm not saying they'll break the world record. I personally don't think they'll get it this year but I am saying you can't estimate that they'll go 37.2 based on their PBs. I do think they can challenge the American record this year and possibly have an opportunity to go sub 37 secs.
I hope yall saw Knighton on 3rd leg at Florida relays for the 4x1! With him third and Kerley second and of course CC and Noah in their permanent spots with clean hand offs… i def can see it
US has legs, no doubt.
Your hypothetical team order needs to be corrected to Coleman, Lyles, Knighton, and then Freddy.
@@RN-DNP you’re buggin’! Noah is ALWAYS anchor. That’s our insurance. Even with bad exchanges. If he’s close it’s over. If he’s in front it’s really over. He ain’t never coming off anchor.
@@Kenaz2226 Miss me with that nonsense. No athlete is ALWAYS anything. That mindset makes an athlete feel superior to his teammates and resistant to running other legs if the coaches need to adjust accordingly. For example, that was the problem with Carl Lewis and, recently, the JAM ladies. Self-entitled egos have been costly and the catalysts for teams not achieving gold medals when they should've won on paper and literally. Meanwhile, trust that I ain't new to the game. I ran in high school, college, and afterward, so I know the sport well. Even you acknowledged that the real challenge for the USA is assembling a team that successfully gets the stick around the oval. Holla at Justin. He's been a part of teams that royally f-upped the baton exchanges. I could tell you a few stories, but I will leave that alone. Finally, I feel ya and understand your sentiment, but I respectfully disagree. Other athletes are just as capable as Lyles's running anchor. The key to winning and breaking records is placing athletes where they are most suited. Stay blessed.
@@RN-DNP bro respectfully you just said a whole bunch of nothing for nothing lol. Why? Cause last time they put Noah 2nd leg they lost lol. Noah is undoubtedly the best finisher in the 100m/200m they literally won with that same order with the exception of Knighton. Blake, Asafa, and even Nesta running 9.7 was “capable” of being anchor but why change someone that HAS the team just in case of mess ups OR to close the door if there aren’t any?? C’mon bro it’s common sense.
Gatlin would make a good coach
I'd say the 36.8 isn't as fast as it seems considering the race was basically tied before Bolt’s leg. The main difference was Bolt as the anchor on a team with great exchanges. USA had Bailey who wasn't a top-end finisher.
What are you saying, though? USA had Gay and Gatlin in that race... USA doesn't have neither Gay nor Gatlin today, so...
@@Yes_I_c4n I'm saying the record can fall if usa has a good enough relay coach. The speed & skill is there, USATF or a good coach can put the correct team & order there. Bolt was the 36.8 add, look at JAM’s 4x1 without him..
@@SpeedSportsMag. Nah that relay had the top 2 fastest men ever and your current men are struggling to drop 9.8 low
That team can’t even broke the usa record
Thats a lie Blake and Bolt legs was legendary... Usa was leading before blakes leg ...if Asafa was there the record would have been even better
If you Justin Gatlin 9.74s, Justin Gatlin 9.69s, Mike Rogers 9.85s, Ryan Bailey 9.88s couldn't do it. I cant see why this new generation can do it. Im sorry but they wont beat the 37.04s that the Jamaicans ran at the world championships in 2011 much less the world record of 36.84s.
Tyson gay at 9.69***
correct , that beaten still in Gatlin head
Mike Rodgers wasn't in that race,it was Trell Kimmons ,Justin Gatlin, Tyson Gay, and Ryan Bailey
US already ran 37.10
@@davidmuhammad8960 yeah but they still wont beat the 37.04
With the new Super Spikes it might be possible!
Hands-off is a huge factor too PB is not everything. Even with accurate hands-offs, the present USA team cannot even beat the American record.
Remember asafa didn't run in the relays then. Imagine asafa at 9.72 the best starter. It would have been 36.7
They would have needed Asafa on the second leg because he was not a very good curve runner.
It would have been Asafa second or anchor leg
I definitely think the US needs a consistent quartet to get sub 37.10
It’ll take a well coordinated and synchronized team, if the don’t align properly the receiving arm like it should be and come an inch out of place or unaligned kiss good bye coming close to world record… Now me ke has a lot of work to do and he better pay attention to detail specially reviving arm.
Seems as if Jamaica a unu daily bread...Talk about them so much.Looks like Gatlin still a have Boltmare...
yah, dem want those records bad bad but go have ah hard time to get it
😂😂😂😂
Jamaica's content sells!
Knighton a curve beast!
Dang…this conversation is terrifying to even discuss! Jamaica with that insane time is definitely a tall order, and I haven’t even thought of the possibility anyone would consider imagining the fall of this WR! I mean, those steps and handoffs would need to be perfection. Hmmmm…to be continued, eh?
The handoff is the key for a gold medal for team USA. They need to work hard on handoffs.
I wouldn't predict any world records, but the USA teams don't practice enough, the individuals need to get in more 'pick-up' relay races during the seasons. If they did that, then got some serious baton exchange practice before the Olympics or World Champs, they'd be dynamite. With so many countries having great sprinting quartets the key is getting the stick passed as smoothly as possible; remember the Canadians in Tokyo had great passes and came away with the gold. Jamaica, GB, China, Japan, Dominican Republic and others can all threaten for podium spots.
Nice try Gatling you still have winning Jamaica in your head 😂
One of the things that's inconsistent in the US is that there's too many competitive guys and the roster changes drastically for 2-3 years one minor injury and half or even 3/4 of all of them might not be repeating. too big of a country , not impossible but improbable
I’ve had my heart broken in the past from my beloved USA!!! They MUST get that stick around! What is the solution to this constant issue?????
Lol we know for a fact that it take chemistry and speed to win the American squad is nice but the Jamaican batton pass was on point.
No the world record will not be broken anytime soon by the us team. all 4 runners need to be running a sub 9.6 which I cannot see happen anytime soon.
Are they relay animals though?
Blake was ahead of Tyson gay didn't you see that 😊
Exactly
Hmmm, so I love discussion, even though we knew that the race and putting it together is what determines outcomes -- so he's the math, 4 guys at 9.45 legs and that's still " just" 37.8 and outside the record... and though it is very early days yet, I don't see that happening
If they don't put Knighton on the team I'm sliding..
So what happens if some new college sprinter shows up at trial and win then go to the Olympics and finish with a medal .Do you leave him off the relay team. Just asking
You mean someone like Cravont Charelston?! Yes, you definately leave him off the relay team.
@staceman7981 so what happen to fair play and the spirit of the games.
@@andremackey438 fair play and spirit of the games applies to individual events. Not relays. Better athletes exist and choose not to participate in events for all kinds of reasons. But they might still be better than those that participated. The team coach is suppose to pick the best guys that will give the best chance to win. There is no trials for the relays. Never has been.
Naaah they won't be at the Jamaicans of bolt,Blake,frater,and Carter!not this year
Cant even beat Canada when they have the 3 fastest men in the world😹😹
relays is more than just speed and the times from their individual PBs,that baton exchange,is vital,timing so good,the one coming in,dont even slow down any at all and get it to the one recieving in stride,already running at a good speed,drive phase,inside the exchange zone,Blake has 9.2s on the bend,Bolt has a 8.7s on the anchor,their running start,when they got that baton,was on point
Yes, relay time is about how fast the baton completes the 400m circle, not so much the top speed of the runners.
...and to think that Asafa Powell was injured and could not run that final. The World Record would have been 36.64 with Powell blazing the back stretch instead of Frater.
Blake was flying the 3rd spot
For three of the runners we don’t even need to consider how good they are at starting, so 100m times aren’t quite as relevant. Can Erriyon and Noah compete with the top speed of Yohan and Bolt? With perfect handoffs that takes off even more time. It could be crazy!
From what Gatlin said about the London 100m experience, when he ran the final he was doing well till 50m and then Bolt and Blake drew another gear and zipped by. Frater is a relay animal too, and Nesta was a great starter. Not sure if any of these current US sprinters have the Bolt/Blake gear...except maybe Lyles a bit, but recall that Blake was a 9.75s man with average to poor start and Bolt was average start. Having said all that, its early season and the US runner could emerge to be in that shape as the season unfolds. Its all to play for, so let the games begin.
if Oblique Seville Blake, And two surprise comes it going to be Ding Dong battles.
Erriyon just showed what he is capable of on the 3rd leg. I think even Justin's estimation is out.
Yow, people think the synergy its going to take to break this record only needs to be on the track. That kind of synergy comes from an authentic blend and absence of egos.
Gatlin smart
Apologies, but no team of today will ever beat the extraordinary Jamaican 4x100 team which had history’s 2 fastest men ever. You should have the worlds top 2 fastest sprinters, at the same time, peaking/being at their prime with other two absolute beast sprinters with superior experience in high pressure competitions. Then you would have to absolutely get the baton exchange not just smooth, but also right without wasting even 1/10th of a millisecond. On top of which, everyone in the team must have or should be capable to run 9.7change on a high pressure day. After all this, you must be extremely confident and lucky to get the inside lanes so that victory is always in sight.. And even after all this, there is still a huge doubt if weather, temperature, mental conditions, race fatigue and other parameters are favourable to you. When the absolute best USA team of legends like Gatlin and literally Cheetahs like Tyson gay couldn’t beat it, it shows what a big ask and a mountain of a task this is. To put in a single word : NO ❤
and now think they didn't have Asafa which could have made it 36.6. Team USA should focus on getting the stick around first within the zones since the last time they did that at the olympics is 2004. Focus on that then the time potentially is 37.0 or 36.9
remember team usa tend to mess up the change overs...hi from jamaica, lets see
Only way they even sniff the record is if 1. Coleman starts 2. Knighton runs 3rd - eats that bend 3. Lyles finishes Even then, it’s a long shot.
U need to remember None of them csn run 9,6ss constantly like bolt. They will lose time.
Justin, what kinda logic is that?
USA 4×100 Relay: 1st.Leg - Christian Coleman,2nd. Leg - Grant Holloway, 3rd. Leg - Erriyon Knighton, 4th. Leg - Noah Lyles... 36. 73
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If the USA could ever pass the baton like the Japanese team, the WR would be a done deal.
Nobody except the old French team from the 80s passed like the Japanese.
It’s not that the team is not fast. yohan and bolt ran sub 8.8 splits will anyone on that team run that fast?
You are in a way right about your intuitions, but It was bolt who ran 8.70s splits with Blake running a blazing 9.02/09sec split on the curve. Which is supremely impressive than Bolts leg in 2008.
Justin keep dreaming lmfao 🤣 😂
Nobody can predict with certaininty the outcome of a relay and the US men's relay is famous for messing things up. Even with the current crop of sprinters that the US have they wont break the men's relay record.
A new Jamaican team is in the brewing , just don't count out Jamaica yet
If Lyles, Coleman and Kerley are in 9.7 shape then then they have a chance (thats a lot to ask lbvs)......If not hell no😂😂😂
If they stay healthy all of those guys will come to Paris in 9.7 shape. It's all about the handoffs
@@JaymoJoints In a dream matchup i would LOVE to see this team vs the 2012 U.S. squad...... Sidenote both the U.S. and Jamaica womans team are DEFINITELY breaking the World Record.
They’ll win 🥇 but won’t break the record
Although I don’t think the WR would be in danger, I do think CC to Lyles to Knighton to Kerley would be 🔥!!!
Delusionalllllllllll! I love those American guys, but they don’t have the foot speed or synergy 😢😮
Put Erriyon on 3rd and Fred on 2nd.
You guys are hilarious. Maybe a 37 low. But they ain’t running sub 37 let alone 36.8
Already ran 37.10
That’s a good team. But i have to disagree. We have a 9.5, 9.6, 9.7 and 9.8 for the Jamaican team. They had great baton changes. American present team: 9.7,9.8, 10, 9.7. American former team: 9.6,9.7,9.8 and 9.9. This team had better times than this present team. They also had great baton changes, and the Jamaica team won by a meaningful margin. I’m persuaded by those times, that the Jamaican team will highly likely keep the record.
Agreed. I think Coleman -> Kerley -> Knighton -> Lyles with crisp hand-offs & all of them running at their peak will give around 37.20. If 3 out of 4 hand-offs are good maybe 37.40, etc.
the USA women are actually closer to breaking the female 4x100m WR
36.8 is literally 9,2 across the 4 runners Justin. Your math ain't adding up? The key isn't exactly the times but the chemistry
splits in the 4x100 are usually faster than the normal 100 cuz they receive the baton after already accelerating. Gatlin and anyone who isnt a casual in track know this so idk why your saying that
It was dead even until Bolt’s leg. So it wasn't anything out of the ordinary aside from perfect passes.
@@SpeedSportsMag.The USA team back then had his 2 fastest sprinters ever in that race. Of course they were not that far behind at 300m, but today's USA team would be even further behind at 300m.
@@Yes_I_c4n Tyson wasn't at his prime anymore, like comparing 2011 Bolt to 2017 Bolt. As I said, it was even at 300m.
@@SpeedSportsMag. Tyson wasn't that far off, what are you talking about? He ran 9.80s flat in 12 and next year he was running 9.75s. He was within 0,05s to his best shape ever. Not the same as comparing 2011 Bolt to 2017 Bolt, not at all. 2011 Bolt likely was 9.6s and 2017 Bolt was 9.9/10s, so vastly different from the Gay situation.
The American athletes probably can after going to the pharmacy. We all know they like their drugs
Blake didn't run 9.6 until after the olympics 2012 ...so he was in tip top form ..but anyway Knighten aint a good 100m runner so thats your weak link ...
He's not running a 100m. He's running the curve in a 4x100 relay. You watch . . . he'll do fine
Man you guys are sleeping that team would lose to another usa team of 4.. 1st Marvin Bracey 2nd Kung fu Kenny 3rd. Bromell 4th Michael Norman Its not about being fast in the 100m its about being fast on the fly. Thats the problem with the usa they always focus in 100m when no one besides first leg is coming out the blocks everyone else is moving on the fly. That team would beat the team with noah only because of colman is the weakest link. They could only keep him on first leg and let him run a short leg. If they set up the relay right. Marvin 9.85/20.55 vs Colman 9.76/19.85 on a curve I dont see anyone starting better then marvin on the curve. 2nd leg kun fu kenny 9.89/19.42*VS Fred kerley 9.76/19.75* we already seen keeny beat fred in the 200m and he is faster on the fly then fred. 3rd leg is key with Erriyon Knighton 9.98*/19.49 vs Trayvon bromell 9.75*/19.86 * thats a great leg to witness. Them two right there will make history like blake did on his 3rd leg split. 4th leg Noah Lyles 9.80*/19.31 vs Michael Norman 9.86/19.70 on the fly people forget that norman can run just as fast as anyone else on the fly. Norman 100m pb is 9.86, noah is 9.83 people sleep on him. His 200m is 19.70 noah 19.31 Also you guys can not forget you could make a case to replace bromell if he is not 100% back from his injury with courtney lindsay who is also a great candidate and trains with kung fu kenny. His PB is 9.89 and 19.71 I think that line up would beat the noah and Coleman line up as well. Both line up has world champions and medalist so it would be a great race. You could even make a 3rd team and it would be competitive as well..the USA has the deepest team in the world and just wait until NCAA someone going to come out the wood works and drop a crazy time and enter the conversation about being on a relay. 3rd team stand by Courtney Lindsey 9.89/19.71 Terrance Laird 9.80*/19.64* Cravont Charleston 9.87* Pjai Austin 9.88* Micah Williams 9.83* So that's why they need to be a true relay camp and see who really wants to do it no egos. Dont worry about legs just focus on winning and breaking the WR.
the best the present usa team could offer in a 4x100m is 38.58 sec 1st leg 9.88 2nd 9.6 3rd 9.6 4th 9.5
You can get almost a second faster with a flying start. Like Bolt ran 8.65 for the final split I believe, or 8.68 & he ran a 9.63 that year in the open 100. A team of 4 runners like 10.00~10.10 can get a mid 38 with good hand-offs, your math is off.
USA should get a 37:32 in the Olympics
Nope. Sorry. Kerley, coleman aint breaking nothing 😂
JUSTIN IS WRONG, RESPECTFULLY. TEAM USA LACKS SYNERGY.
usa ain’t breaking that record Jamaica on top
They can't break the record
You're delusional bro
matter of fact, i dare them to break it, because they arnt running the times...
The only way that what you just said "Gatlin" is that their handoffs would have to be perfect (& for me that means they would have to figure out how to take off at full speed, not worrying weather they get caught or not but by faith work closely much practice as possible as the coming runner 🏃♂️ is approa- ching & in return that runner hand- ing off gives it to the receiver at that pace, other wise young men it ain't happening in my humble opinion) now with that said without doubt they have the ability to win but to surpass that 36+with just raw speed sorry to burst you guys bubble 🫧 but they ain't gonna do it my friends, & I stand on that!!! Amen & Amen & Amen 🙏!!!
They won't even break the American record of 37:04