The Diversity Dilemma | CBS Reports
In the 1960s, affirmative action policies were created to remedy a lack of representation of women and people of color in the workforce and on college campuses. Supporters say it’s an important tool for dismantling structural racism, while critics argue it allows preferential treatment based on race and gender. This episode of CBS Reports' "Speaking Frankly" series examines when diversity measures can be helpful or harmful.
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Bravo for inviting and actually including Coleman Hughes in this!
They didn't allow him to make any proper critic of affirmative action.
Nobody has yet explained why a university should look like the state it is in, or why it should be even less white than the state (which university admins are openly calling for). And that's because there is literally no reason to prefer any particular racial or sexual mix. If students are customers than it should be about whoever can afford it. If students are resources then it should be about whoever is most likely to excel and be productive, as shown by their past performance.
Kendi constantly reverses cause and effect.
Equity is theft.
My thoughts exactly. Coleman has the potential to change American, and for the better.
so when is ibram x kendi going to agree to debate Coleman Hughes again?
As soon as race isn’t important to the media.
Again????????
It would be amazing if Ibram Kendi would be willing to discuss some of these issues online with Colman Hughes. I know Ibram has been invited to get in conversation many time on Colman's podcast as well as Glenn Loury's podcast.
Not gonna happen, he is too much of a coward.
Well don't hold your breath. Ibram is an ideologue who really doesn't want to be challenged.
He's said himself that his books are the best articulation of his ideas he can manage. Having read one of them, I don't blame him for not debating anyone if that's the best he can do, it'd be like bringing a plastic prop knife to a gunfight.
@@frankexchangeofviews so I guess he is not that daft, after all, and knows himself well 😉
@@Wandering.Homebody I think you're being sarcastic for some reason, but in all seriousness yes, I do get the impression that on some level he knows he's way out of his intellectual league. I wouldn't describe it as cowardice exactly. He's a radical ideologue with a messiah complex and distinctly average cognitive capacity. I don't think that knowing he couldn't keep up in a debate makes him question his divine mission.
Ibram Kendi won't debate Coleman Hughes! Kendi has little to gain and everything to lose!
Kendi’s testicles hide in his torso when he thinks about debate. Cowardice and sophistry are Siamese twins.
Kendi only knows how to shout in his own bubble. The minute you challenge him he runs and hides.
Yup, Kendi is getting rich by preaching a gospel he will not and cannot defend in debate. So is Robin DiAngelo.
Kendi is a LIGHTWEIGHT!
Kendi will never agree to a debate. His rhetoric doesn’t have a leg to stand on when faced with scrutiny. That’s why his forum is within academia (my alma mater BU) and as an author. Kendi’s audience has no ability to retort, and he also has the funding of Jack Dorsey behind him. Why would he debate a much smarter, more logical man when he has so much to lose?
Great Job Coleman Hughes! 👏🏻 " How is it combating racism to racially discriminate, even if it's for virtuous reasons?"
***virtuous
Few people have intellectual coherence like him.
White women have benefited the most from affirmative action. That is a fact. Are men more deserving or hard working than women? No. Now apply that same analysis to minorities that have been historically excluded from institutions of higher education. 👌🏽
Interesting how the two Latino individuals used the terms "Latino" and "Latina" and the non-latino used the term "Latinx".
Yet the Latinx term keeps being used by the woke mob even though they must know it is not liked or accepted.
Because it's a made up term, only to be used by eunuchs and AWFLs.
Anyone, latino/latina or non-latino, using the term 'latinx' can go fornicate themselves with an iron stick.
No actual Spanish speaker would use that term ever. It's annoying because nobody asked for it, and ignore the Spanish Grammar completely. For me as Cuban, that term is an insult.
Latinos are thankfully rejecting this cringe worthy "Latinx" term. Rejoice!
Didn’t interview any student who had been mismatched and then flunked out of a university as a result. Those are the saddest stories, and not uncommon.
I'm haflway through and was wondering how they addressed survivorship bias. Apparently they don't!
It would tarnish the support for afirmative action
What statistical proof is there that students are flanking out in droves because of AA?
Love seeing all these comments supporting Coleman.
Kendi and Hughes in the same video! Somebody's gonna get upset...
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. --- MLK
MLK actually supported affirmative action policies. ""
@@Alexander22129 bummer. Guess he wasn’t perfect after all
@@mattbabb. Very far from perfect.
And then they killed him.
WOW! EVERYONE'S FAVORITE MLK quote, even if they don't necessarily believe it or no matter how insincere it's champion.
Coleman Hughes is actually the best
The proportion of FIRST year students from underrepresented groups across UC campuses dropped but the number of GRADUATES actually INCREASED. Aka less students where mismatched with schools they weren’t actually qualified for. This is why we need Thomas Sowell in this conversation!!!
🤫 You’re not supposed to just state facts like that without some heartfelt plea to disagree immediately after, remember?
@Sero Suit Great point! Yeah last election cycle we had Prop 16 here in California which would bring back affirmative action and EVERY predominantly hispanic county in the state voted against it.
How was Thomas Sowell not interviewed for this??
Haven't watched this,but I bet it is as if he was.they all just repeat what Sowell said/researched anyway ;)
Probably because he's 90 years old and doesn't feel like answering every single media request
@ThisIsEfrika what?
Dunno maybe he was on vacation?
@@warbler1984 He means Sowell would massacre them.
Wow, that was a rather shallow treatment of the topic . . . Where was Thomas Sowell . . . he's researched and written extensively on the topic of affirmative action programs in multiple countries!!! Also, there was no mention of the high rate of minority student dropouts, or students switching to less demanding majors. I would be interested to get more current information on whether those problems have been ameliorated.
Thomas Sowell has been notorious for turning down media requests for interviews for decades now and for good reason, they usually distort his positions on issues. However, they did include Coleman Hughes in this who is a commentator who gets many of his views from the many books of Thomas Sowell.
@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Yeah. I mean, Sowell has already answered all these questions decades ago, many times. Most of his answers are still actual. You can check his books if you are really interested in proper treatment, so I guess I understand why he declines these media requests. However, as cool as Coleman is, he is still just a kid with biases. I have high hopes for his growth, but he disappoints me sometimes.
@@txdmsk I think that calling Coleman Hughes ‘just a kid with biases’ is incredibly unwarranted and inaccurate. He’s well read, understands the research out there, and is incredibly articulate and considerate of nearly all the factor. Whereas some people like to look at single characteristics (Ibram X Kendi only focusing on equity, for example), Hughes generally does a far better job that properly exploring all the variables that are in play.
@@txdmsk Last fall, Sowell was going around last fall saying if Biden won and congress flipped, "that could well be the point of no return" for the U.S. That kind of apocalyptic thinking is...well, I'll just say Coleman is a lot more skeptical of those kinds of positions on both the left and the right. Coleman is young, but right now I think he's a more rhetorically agile spokesperson for this "Sowell-ian" argument on afirmative action than Sowell is. Sowell, for all his past accomplishments, seems to be slipping into a kind of tribal rigidity that often puts him at odds with his own past positions.
@@jimdixon3470 he is 90 years old man, talk to me when you're 90, let's see how lucid, nuanced, and fair minded you sound lol.
They are missing the intellectual titan, Glenn Loury! You can't have a discussion about affirmative action without Glenn Loury!!!
Loury is great indeed. Although, he still has some funny socialist ideas, but I forgive him.
@@txdmsk does he really ? I never really tuned in to his economic sides
@@stevelewis8961 Yeah. I don't remember his exact beliefs, so I don't want to misrepresent him, but he is into some.
@@stevelewis8961 Yes, Glenn Loury created the "Coate-Loury model" of affirmative action. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coate-Loury_model
Kenfi is an empty suit next to Loury
Equity is the opposite of merit and will lead to the downfall of this country.
So your parents' income, education and status is the best way to decide if and where you go to college? Something doesn't quite convince me there. Here in Extremadura, Spain, racial diversity is way less of a thing than in most other places in the Western world -at the school where I teach less than 1% of students are black, about 1% again are from Latin America, and two or three families are Romanian, this making Romanians the biggest group of students who don't have at least three white Spanish grandparents. In other towns here, recent (first or second generation) Moroccan immigrants and/or Roma make up significant parts of the student body, but that's not the case at my school. What are the best predictors of success at my school, and at any other school here in Spain? Studies have been done -I don't have the links right now, but I can check, and my everyday experience bears it out. *Number one* : the grandparents' educational level. *Number two* : the family's income. *Number three* : the number of books in the family household. These predictors have been confirmed over and again in the PISA studies. Are they the individual student's merits or faults? It would not seem so. All of my weakest students say they do not have a computer at home -if anything, a tablet, plus mobile phone. The reason given is *always* “We can't afford it.” I, personally, used to work as a private tutor for families whose kids took those classes in order to expand beyond what they did at school. The kids of doctors and lawyers, mainly; two of the families were doctors' families in the third generation. Could a cleaner's family pay for something like that? Would a typical lorry driver's kids have the same access to help in school matters as those of the lawyer or doctor? Would their parents have the same combination of appreciation for education and ability to help the kids along? Class, race and ethnicty work in overlapping, often similar ways. Shouldn't we do whatever we can to stop them interfering with individual merit? The worst-off group here in Spain, in general, is the Roma minority. Their culture often conflicts with majority values and school attendance, and they are far more likely to be poor. If some kid from that sort of background makes a real effort, likely against the will of part of their extended family, to get a good education, should we help or hinder them? Getting to the same point against all odds is more merit, not less or the same. Can we lay the responsibility for overcoming those odds exclusively on the shoulders of individual children, then act as if they hadn't overcome more obstacles than others, or blame them for not getting the same results as the doctors' kids if they've been studying in hovels without electricity and heating, in a situation where getting a box of pencils is a serious challenge to the family? There are many students at Ivy League colleges that got in because their parents are ex-alumni who made generous donations to the school, and who go on because flunking them might well lead to the loss of said donations. Is that better or worse than getting in thanks to some extra points for being from a minority or poor background, then hanging on thanks to working hard? Equity is *not* the opposite of merit. It's the opposite of privilege.
@@joschafinger126 Interesting read and I’m sure many of the points are correct. In the US everything today is radicalized. There are parts of the country that are ripping down the founding fathers statues, the law is favoring certain races over other. Western civilization is not being thought at the same rate as it was just 5 years ago. Children are being shamed one way or another by teachers and parents that should know better. I of course agree that means provides students more opportunities. That’s always been true. My problem with equity is that it seems that we are changing the curriculum and teaching pedagogy to favor students of certain racial backgrounds over others. The West has always excelled by propping up the best performing students and promoting them on skill. If students are being past due to sex or race than the overall quality of that professional will be less. Another issue that we see is that many of these students struggle when they are placed in advanced classes and lash out at the system due to the fact that they feel it is unfair that other students are more prepared for the course. There are also many students that work their tails off to excel and because of features that they were born will may not get a place that they may deserve. This is not based in the tradition of the enlightenment ideals that have made the West the most successful places to live. We get around 1 million immigrants legally into the US along with millions more illegally on top of strange new restrictions from c19. This is changing society at a rate haven’t seen in a long time. I’m honesty scared for my country. These actions have consequences that I feel politicians and idea-logs in media have not considered. You’re right that a family with resources does offer more opportunities. The problem I have is the massive educational change on a philosophical level in our public schools. All of my friends and sending their children to private schools and I am going to do the same when the time is right. Kids do struggle and we should work on giving them similar opportunities to the more wealthy children. We should not be throwing away the tradition that built the safest and best countries on earth because we are not willing to confront a shakedown which is what these race hustlers take advantage of.
Actually, USA support of Israel will do us in why sooner than AA / equity / race-conscious admissions or any other thing that you want to call it.
@@stevensica89 I disagree, respectively of course. Currently the US is focused on correcting the “wrongs” of the past by favoring lackluster talent in exchange for virtue and trends. An argument can me made over Israel but that’s not defining our current culture paradigm. The humans and legacy that built the west are being replaced by evil people. Tell me more if I’m wrong. I’d love to learn more.
@@outpowspo No, you are not necessarily wrong, you just have a different priority. The USA for more than half a century has been arming and financing Israel, and pretty much nothing good for the USA has come of it. It's the single biggest and easiest recruiting tool against the USA in the Arab and Islamic world. Before we worry abut preserving a culture in the USA, we have to worry about preserving the USA. I feel that the USA is NOT going to survive it's embrace of Israel.
i appreciate the diverse VIEWs of this documentary, rather than it being one-sided. there are very few documentaries i can watch nowadays where I disagree with one of the speakers, but I agree with the next one. This really helps people see both sides of this debate. Although my views on the topic didn't change, I have a clearer picture of the other side
“The standards were lowered and yet I still feel like I worked harder than the kids of no color”. This lady is embarrassing.
Both can be true. You can come from a disadvantaged background with no support and work very hard to meet standards that are lower than your more advantaged peers. One does not negate the other.
@@mrroc2556 Social engineering leads to disaster. We simply should not have an extremely diverse society which assumes race a factor in academic admissions. This creates animosity amongst students and is not meritocratic. I was referring to the women that said “she felt like she worked hard than other kids”. She should discuss the objective proof that she worked harder, rather than relying on her own insecurities regarding her skin color. We can either be fair to all students and get the best people in the best schools or we can oppress excellent students due to the melanin in their skin. I wonder which one of those options is r*cist?
She's far more accomplished and wealthier than you. You should be the one that's embarrassed.
Thanks for bringing diverse views on affirmative policies. A step forward in dismantling bias in main stream media.
Coleman Hughes is awesome.
"If the problem is systemic racism... The only way to solve that problem is to have explicit policies that recognize those problems." Oooooooor you can just stop discriminating based on race by not considering it a factor in admissions.
"We're not here to extinguish fires. We're here to ensure that everybody's houses burn down equally."
It says a lot about someone when they use the term Latinx in a serious context.
Was going to comment on that
It says they have a progressive agenda.
Wait... aren't we NOT supposed to care how people use words? Which one again makes us snowflakes?
Coleman sent me here. More should listen to him
Litigants: Is racial discrimination at universities cool with you guys? Supreme Court: Sure, as long as you’re not obvious about it. 🧐
If the Harvard suite is accepted by SCOTUS and Harvard loses on, say a 5-4 decision, well, RGB's reputation will take a bit of a hit. Maybe not as much as if an abortion case upends the existing laws, but it will be a darkly ironic moment for team RGB.
There was a great article in the national review from a guy who worked in the justice system for 20+ years. He talked about “systemic racism” and how it was such an important topic among his colleagues. He was a whole hearted believer that this was a problem. But one day he realized everyone who he worked with in the justice system, was actively trying to solve this issue. That’s when he asked the question if there’s systemic racism in the justice system, then how is it everyone in the justice system seems to be on his side? Where are these racist people? How could the systems be racist, yet at the same time be actively trying to stop racism? He came to the conclusion that systemic racism wasn’t the problem, but that there were many variables as to why there were various discrepancies among groups in regards to outcomes within the justice system.
this is an inadequate argument. The anecdote of one person who's worked in the justice system is not good evidence that systemic racism doesn't exist.
@@djdjfhd8457 true, but this is one story obviously and the intention of that article was to point out that a lot of people in the justice system are against racial discrimination. I wrote this 8 months ago and look at some of the major cases we’ve seen. Justice has been served time and time again. Also look at all the sjw prosecutors who let blm rioters and antifa back into the streets. This guy was on point imo.
@@weignerleigner3037 But the point of systemic oppression is that it’s not obvious. It’s never going to be explicitly racist because in order to pass through the justice system, those laws it have to seem reasonable to those not directly affected by the issue. For example, increasing police funding in primarily black neighborhoods instead providing objective funding for public education/housing/assistance (not based on property values) is made to seem reasonable because police are there to protect the public. Those who are not economically or racially disadvantaged can rationalize that because of the high crime rates within POC neighborhoods. However, the true solution would be to fund public schools in lower income areas, provide public assistance (food for example), and affordable housing to those disadvantaged families. This is because what leads to most crime in POC areas in the first place is poverty and lack of financial stability. Kids wouldn’t have to sell drugs and drop out of school if their family wasn’t struggling to keep their lights on and have food. And those kids who do drop out of school have lower job prospects and will have to work minimum wage jobs because most higher paying jobs require experience and a college degree. They can’t afford to go to university or community college, they can’t afford a trade. Then if they have children young they’ll have to provide for them because they didn’t have access to the healthcare that would’ve prevented the pregnancy in the first place. Same goes for if they have sick family members. So then they work the rest of their lives to never make it over the poverty line and the cycle continues on with their children. Do you see how while none of that is racially specific it is apparent that this directly affects POC the most? That man’s personal experience of no one being dumb enough to say to a black man that they don’t care about racial injustice through the legal system does not negate anything discussed in this video that is in favor of affirmative action.
@@madlie2452 to be honest I stopped reading after you suggested not increasing police funding and instead focusing on public services. The very communities you are referencing don’t want that. It’s not obvious racial systemic oppression is a thing. Only instances that are blatant are really systems that target white people (affirmative action laws) everything else your referencing there is no evidence for.
@@madlie2452 there’s plenty of groups who have been In poverty all over the world who don’t have issues black Americans have. Hispanics in america would be a great example and also black immigrants from Africa. What’s goin on in black American communities is very unique to them. And with all the special advantages and focus they get over everyone else you’d think these problems would begin to disappear but it doesn’t seem like they are. You talk about social programs but the greatest period of black gains in wealth occurred during racial segregation and when there were no welfare programs. So the idea that wealth inequality has to do with racism is not evident, poverty leading to crime is not evident, and black children having better schools leading to better outcomes is not evident. Most funded schools in the country are predominantly African American. I’m not gunna pretend I know the answers but the answers you are suggesting have been being tried for decades at the cost of the taxpayers. And now are country is in extraordinary debt because of these massive social programs.
Ibram X Kendi’s last bit around 24:00 : it seems like his perspective boils down to ‘the ends justify the means’. He is “just focused on the outcome”. He explicitly says he is for WHATEVER justification that supports the policies he already agrees with. Maybe I’m wrong, but that smells of confirmation bias and no room for an actual discussion.
I agree completely. I heard Thomas Sowell ask if two people growing up in the same household experience different outcomes, how can anyone control the outcomes for anyone else under different circumstances? Good thought exercise...
I can't take Kendi seriously when he says "expeshally"
lmao
😂
X Kendi - the end goal is whatever "groups" have the least amount of resources in their homes, have the most amount of resources in their places of advancement - understandable but foundationally racist. The end goal should be - whichever individuals have the least amount of resources in their homes, have the most amount of resources in their places of advancement. That's equity.
He could fix his beliefs so easily by substituting "individual" for "group".
This may be the most balanced piece of mainstream journalism produced in the last few years.
I can’t tell if you’re making a pass at MSM for being so biased or if you really think this is a very balanced piece. I’m not trying to make a pass at you lol! I can just say that there are many interesting and thoughtful perspectives on this topic that are readily accessible and weren’t touched in this video. I would have loved to see a more equal amount of time spent on both sides (pro and con) of the topic. Perhaps we would have learned more and dug deeper into the unintended consequences of a well-meaning effort that would have challenged more viewers.
Happy to see Coleman get some ‘mainstream’ representation. Would have liked to see John McWhorter make his case too.
John would have offered a welcome bit of pep, linguistic panache and sharp rhetoric in this thing. It's a bit underwhelming as an exposition of affirmative action. Seems like CBS was just checking something off the long list of topics that were decided on for this series, and whoever made this wasn't that interested in bringing out anything new or under-examined in this debate.
Could have done a week long show on this. No discussion of the miss matching of students to colleges, or the majors they choose once there. No discussion of the drop out rate for these miss matched students. No discussion of the socio economic homogeneity of these racially diverse student bodies at elite institutions.
This video is about the college ADMISSIONS process.
The extremely key point they fail to reference following the statistic about the first year admissions of students of color in the UC system dropping slightly after racial-preference was struck down is that the graduation rates of students of color skyrocketed afterward. What do you care more about: admission or actually graduating? It seems like the critical race theory advocates heavily cherry picked which metrics they preferred to look at in order to drive a narrative rather than a complete set of facts driving to a nuanced viewpoint. Pretty par for the course. Also great job Coleman.
Maybe we wouldn’t need affirmative action in education if we invested more in early childhood education AND k-12 education.
Depends how mean “invest”. If you mean better teachers and better materials/teaching styles, sure. Definitely. If you mean more funding, no. They have plenty of that and it’s clear it’s not helping by now.
It’s more of a cultural thing. Black kids who are highly competent are often bullied by other blacks who are not. Told they aren’t black or they are tryin g to be white. When you live in a culture that doesn’t emphasize education and has a poor record on family unity your set up for failure.
@@weignerleigner3037 that’s very true.
More money isn't going to solve the k-12 problem. I work in a district that gets TONS of money. There is no progress. The problems with k-12 education are multifaceted. Throwing money at it does nothing.
Grace - the money is there and has been spent with exceptionally poor results. Waste, self dealing, and non-evidence-based programs, and social issues drive this. Not the money being sent to the schools. For starters look at the head counts in administration and other non-teaching administrative roles. It’s mind-boggling in a lot different than 40 and 50 years ago.
Thomas Sowell is missing from this conversation. Glad to see Coleman.
I wish the ‘mismatch problem’ had been addressed-since that’s one of the primary critics of affirmative action...
San Francisco’s Lowell High School (the best HS in the city) recently discarded merit-based admissions entirely and moved to a lottery. In a few years, it will just be an average neighborhood school. Why? Too many Asians. A generation ago, people thought elite public magnet schools had too many Jewish people. Now it’s too many Asians. Very disturbing. This is America?
Numerus Clausus. Richard Feynman himself was turned down by one university due to his race.
The flaw in the foot race argument is assuming that positions are assigned by race, which is clearly not the case. Rather, positions are assigned by wealth and geography, and these are entirely different things. It's easy enough to show by looking at immigrants. Culture also plays a big role.
Additionally, like in a foot race, there will still be winners and losers even if everyone starts at the same line....the outcome will not be equal and this will be construed as more evidence of racism. The outcome of the race has more to do with training that occurs prior to the race than your relative start position on the line. Furthermore, not everyone is a runner so we shouldn't force everyone to run. I "get" the analogy, but believe it is very flawed.
Not sure if I totally agree with Coleman on this topic but I sure love his podcast and the fact that they actually invited someone like him for this feature is amazing
What do you disagree with? Curious.
Shocking that CBS would bring Coleman on. He’s the man
If you don't want affirmative action to be based on race, maybe base it on resources available to the students.
I love Coleman Hughes so much!
If one feels that strongly, one could always propose. I believe he is still unmarried.
Coleman Hughes is amazing, but the thing that people may not immediately realize about him, is that unlike so many others, he's a brilliant listener. Watch him interview ANYONE on his channel. He listens. He doesn't come in there with a rigid set of ideas - he flushes out ideas with his guests over an extended interview with a completely-open mind. This is something that others lack entirely. Coleman welcomes debate and wants to closely examine all facets of complex issues. Others who will go unnamed, but are obvious...and in this video...absolutely REFUSE to have their ideas challenged in an open setting. They cannot defend them in a one on one debate, rather, they resort to throwing bombs and rely on sweeping generalizations, or worse, Ad Hominem attacks lobbed over social media. It's pathetic, really.
Kendi: "It's important with equal representation. The reason? Because it's important." Quite the scholar ...
I am a Gentile white American male. I attended college in the California State system from 1991 to 1995, at the height of affirmative action trying to get a teaching credential. I was told to my face by a tenured professor who sat on the school's diversity commission that I was going nowhere in education because of affirmative action. The student financial aid office said I would get no aid not even a loan towards a credential. I graduated with no credential, bi-lingual required on every job listing, affirmative action in force across the ENTIRE employment spectrum both public and private. I gave up. My last job was driving a bus. Multiple nervous breakdowns. I am not the only one. The suicide rate of white American men went up 49% from 1999 to 2013, Diseases of despair have so decimated the white male population of this country that our shortened life spans have actually dragged down life expectancy for the entire cohort of all white Americans.
Those outside of the US looking in see the bs too. Keep on trucking 🚚
@@Mili-bedili I hope you don’t mean bussing.
The heights were not “all white” in ABQ in the seventies. I went to Onate Elementary, Jackson Middle School and Manzano High, and they were all very mixed.
This documentary gave me a speck of hope for mainstream media. It didn’t feel overly biased in either direction. Excellent journalism.
Maybe race and name (may hint the race) shouldn't appear in any application for collage and jobs. It's the only way that only qualifications count to get into collage or job.
Supreme Court: Come on guys you can't quantify your racism! Chill out! Keep it on the down low and you're good!
While I disagree with AA as a whole, this is a gross mischaracterization of the court's intent. It actually matches what Gail and Coleman are leaning into, but the method is definitely questionable.
This is the closest that Kendi will ever come to actually debating Hughes.
everyone keeps coming back to a debate between Kendi and Hughes -- clearly it ain't gonna happen and we know why. They are not remotely in the same league intellectually. Obviously Coleman would cream him, and thus it would likely be a complete bore to watch, although it could be a necessary lesson in humility for Kendi. The benefit to Coleman, if any? A hollow victory at best. End of story. Let's move on.
Why the fixation with elite unviversities? Lots of interviews with elite people about elite institutions. Not relevant to like 95% of us. Might as well have made a documentary on the history of breeding fox hounds. Who are you talking to with this?
Coleman was the only one that addressed that issue.
COLEMAN!!! now you might be able to get Dr. Ibram X. Kendi to take you more seriously as you're both features of this work. I hope that gets us closer to a respectable debate.
Professor Thomas Sowell ahould have been interviewed for this documentary. He has written extensively about Affirmative Action aroind the world.
I don’t think the doc was worthy of his fine self.
@@jaydoubledee I concur.
Can someone explain what “underrepresented” means as it pertains to race?
I am literally about to start writing an assignment on affirmative action. This is sooo helpful😆😆
Affirmative action is by definition discriminatory. You can not have it both ways: increase diversity of admits and not treat minority race as a special trait. The Supreme Court simply threw up its hands and essentially said you can’t have quotas but get to essentially the same outcome without making it look like you are using quotas.
Well that was propaganda disguised as balance. Yes Thonas Sowell should have been interviewed.
I love seeing all of the comments about Coleman! He is absolutely one of my favorite people to hear speak! I think we all know that Kendi will never accept his invitation.
Just discriminate based on income. Done. There we go, completely fair.
Nice to see the subject matter presented with a reasonable amount of balance. Such is rare these days. These are the types of conversations society should be having rather than the narrative driven accusations and name-calling that dominates most such discussions.
Good job Coleman and Gail. It's good to see you guys here. I do somewhat appreciate that CBS at least had a mishmash of different views on AA. I think though they do gloss over some real problems that aren't mentioned, for example the mismatch problem that many "underrepresented minorities" face when getting into a college they're not actually prepared for (I'm sure Gail has a lot more to say on this). But anyways, I guess this is a fairly giod intro splash into a much larger issue
Im not educated enough to have an argument for or against affirmative action. Our country has a history of preferential treatment, whether it be in housing loans for certain groups or large business and farming subsidies. I do wish people wouldn't racialize parents choosing to spend money on their children's education. I'm AA, and when I have children I'll definitely invest in their education. I don't se how that has anything to do with my race.
More Coleman Hughes please. It’s sad this is as close as Dr. Kendi will allow himself to get to engaging with the critics of his books and ideas. As a public intellectual, he has duty to engage with his critics. Its shameful and borderline cowardice to avoid responding to criticism and every day Dr. Kendi continues to evade, it only make his illformed arguments look more suspect.
Wow, the best in depth look at affirmative action that I have encountered thus far 👌🌟
All of these issues are presented as “a race” which is a zero sum scenario. This is an incorrect frame to view the situation through. It makes everyone your enemy and creates division, it’s also not a realistic representation of the world we live in. This stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of economics and markets. Coleman Hughes is a refreshing voice of reason in this dialogue.
Coleman makes the most sense which is to look at each person as individuals and go from there. Each person will shine differently and will bring values. It cannot be based on the identity. That will bring out disastrous outcomes.
I’m surprised and delighted by how balanced this was. Big fan of Coleman here. I think the ideas expressed speak for themselves. Go with logic!
Worth pointing out that the UK didn't have any kind of affirmative action for women, and yet the outcomes ended up exactly the same as the US (women are the majority of college students in both countries). These programs just discriminate against people with no real benefit.
Thanks for sharing. Learned something new
I'm from the UK and the reality is more nuanced. Here in the UK, we had universities that were specifically set up for women, like Newnham College of the University of Cambridge. Our policies to affirmative action are actually quite complicated, and I've written in published material that the US is actually more progressive than we are. It should be noted that we have something like affirmative action in politics - all-female shortlists are perfectly legal for political parties, and some parties such as the Conservative Party used initiatives like the A-List to increase representation. Sometimes it's the only way to make things representative.
Coleman Hughes! They should have interviewed Thomas Sowell.
This is a good documentary, although I found that it was less balanced (in favor of pro-diversity/affirmative action speakers) than I expected. Regardless, these issues are complicated and I think the approach must start from a fundamental agreement among all stakeholders. To my mind, the fundamental agreement in this case could be, for example - "have People of Color been significantly disadvantaged as it relates to their ability to access tertiary education, particularly at top tier schools?" And this is only the first question. Other issues include: "have Whites and Asians been harmed by the application of affirmative action/diversity programs at some schools?" I think people need to be honest and fair when dealing with these issues. It's easier said than done, but it's totally necessary.
Asians have definitely been harmed by diversity. Let those with the highest IQ scores, into the schools they qualify for, and allow those who didn't make the grade attend schools they can get into.
@@stringmonkey568 I agree with your conclusion, to some extent. However, I'm a Black man, born and living in the Caribbean, so I understand if my African American counterparts may disagree with you. I do believe, though, that a lot of work should be done in order to bridge that 'grade gap' you mentioned. If Blacks, in general, score lower on the SATs than their White or Asian counterparts, how much of that is based on the fact that they're forced to attend schools in poor neighborhoods that could not provide a better education? Isn't that a disadvantage to Blacks and a primary reason for affirmative action in the first place?
@@yuriajones I can fix that for you. The best way to even out opportunities, is to do all school funding at the state level, instead of the local level. Each child should be benefited by an equal amount of dollars, that follow them to the school they attend, be it their local school, or a private institution. Currently the teacher's union doesn't have to compete for this money, since it goes to local schools, even if the child is privately schooled. Let's make them compete. That competition will bring competence to inner city schools, or replace them with better schools. Either way, the children win.
@@stringmonkey568 Okay then. I'm an affluent parent. I want my super talented child to get the best education. So you come in, and tell me: "Nah, mediocrity is great for your kid. Let's minimize the chances that supreme IQ is met with with the best environment to facilitate a future top class innovator, doctor, businessman, statesman, whatever." That's not a solution either. The truth is that the Return On Investment is not the same if you look at different kids. Certain attributes, many of them genetic, result in colossal differences in ROI. One of the main reasons dark skinned kids are behind is that we have a welfare system to begin with. It incentivises fatherlessness, irresponsible procreation, not getting a job, and poverty in general. The system is in place in order to create voters for a certain party. Society needs to say no to this. Firmly. There also needs to be a change in culture. Stop glorifying violence, criminal behaviour. Why are your heroes either criminals or sports jocks? There are so many great people to draw inspiration from. Stop making excuses for all the ills in said communities. Start holding people responsible. Start valuing hard work and education instead of making it haram.
@@txdmsk Funny, I agree with most of what you say. We want all super talented children to get the best education. We want all children to achieve the best they can. My suggestion was to even the playing field, so that the parent of a child, can enroll him in that private school. If all students have equal dollar amounts from a state funded source, they are one up, on not having the money. Also, inner city schools, which currently rely on their tax base, will now have more than 2x the funding. They can improve their teaching staff, because they will be able to offer monetary incentives equal to suburban schools. Real education starts in kindergarten. If you don't have a sound basis, you can't balance your building blocks for improvement. Welfare is a necessary evil, because children are having children. If only, we had a pill, to stop pregnancy, until they are 21. Talking them out of sex, doesn't work. Uneducated girls, are unable to prepare their children for school, but both need support. Males are simply interested in a one night stand. They make no commitment when to them, it is just sex. The one's who suffer, are the kids. What training are they given in a home like that, that makes them want to treat women with respect, or not drop out to join a gang.
“Diversity” has become one of the most often used words of our time- and a word almost never defined. Diversity is invoked in discussions of everything from employment policy to curriculum reform and from entertainment to politics. Nor is the word merely a description of the long-known fact that the American population is made up of people from many countries, many races, and many cultural backgrounds. All that was well known long before the word “diversity” became an insistent part of our vocabulary, an invocation, an imperative, or a bludgeon in ideological conflicts. -thomas sowell
"Two wrongs don't make a right" -my mom It's as simple as that people. And I've yet to see proof that diversity is a good thing. By championing diversity you are saying that race matters. And race only matters to racists...
Imagine thinking Latinx is a real thing. Glad to see Coleman in this.
It's just another way to refer to a group of peple in a communicatively efficient way. Imagine being so scared of this that you're worried about it existing. Who are the snowflakes again?
We should do a test of let’s say a pool of 1000 African American Babies raised in wealthy rich neighborhoods and see them grow how good there scores are and see if this theory is real ?
This is one of the big problem with work and school environments. You have the merit based system, than you have patronage system, you have nepotism like selecting or hiring friends or family , you have folks who pay or bribe their way in and than you have affirmative action which reserves seats for those to get a leg up. Than you have hiring or accepting of such people who have to work together. The big problem is not diversity of people, it's diversity of minds.
I am going to a local university and I’m Asian. I don’t know if it’s because of a quota but, I know for sure I am not the brightest Asian, maybe even at the bottom of the barrel. I come from impoverished country of the Philippines and I am happy to get out. My upbringing played a role in how I see school, and I had a hard time applying myself. Even at my second Bachelor’s degree.
To those who are scamming, squatting peoples' houses, stealing, robbing, having a lot of kids without a job to support them, demanding government handouts, and demanding college debt to be wiped... work! I'm 18 and worked my way up to Starbucks manager making $19.15 in N. Dakota, but some gets deducted because of Social Security which is unfair because there are a lot of people faking their disabilities like some of the people in My 600 Pound Life, and I'm hoping to one day take over Starbucks HQ and its 16K US locations and pay a minimum wage of $25 to all of the baristas because I was one too but it likely won't happen until I'm in my 50s and no, I will not sell myself on Only Fans. You don't see me as the next Angel Brown (search her name here) who has 17 children and demanded money from the government, living in someone else's house, breaking store windows in broad daylight to steal jewelry, assaulting and robbing the innocent, or demanding free money.
Affirmative Action only hurts the very minorities it claims to be helping. I've seen first hand while working at a major consulting firm co-workers (with no malice) calling Black hires as "Diversity Hires". All affirmative action does is create a perception that African Americans gained college admission for charitable purposes not due to competence and rigor. Rich children (i.e. Jared Kushner) also face the same perception; however rich children have access to family connections and resources which propels them to success. We should never lower the bar but give a helping hand to those that need it.
Humanism will come when we fund public education equally and remove it from property taxes
I haven’t yet watched this video but lemme make a guess. They didn’t interview any Asian Americans or AsAm groups who are against affirmative action, despite the over 200 groups who’ve signed on to the Harvard lawsuit. Hope I’m wrong!
How about we fix the basic education of K-12, before worrying about college ?
I can’t wait until our society reaches a maturity where we move beyond these types of silly issues.
How to have equality at the bottom. Just be diverse.
This was really interesting and so well done. Thanks.
I think 24:42 sums it all up.
Kendi basically says that affirmative action is "proven" to "increase diversity..." duh. I say diversity is not causal but correlated with success. SKILLS are the primary operational factor in sucess.
Disadvantaged kids SHOULD get a leg up, but that’s not how it work in practice with race-based affirmative action. Let’s replace current affirmative action policies which overwhelmingly benefits wealthy black and Latino students, and of course middle class white girls, with a leg-up policy based on socioeconomic factors. Every child of any color from poor zip codes and family struggles should benefit, from a poor miner’s kid from Appalachia to the talented kid from Detroit. Anytime race is included as one of the various factors, inevitably the colleges will choose to fill their diversity slots with rich black/Latino kids because optical diversity is paramount.
I went to a really good school. I know I would have gotten in because my stats are better then my peers. But that doesn't stop classmates from assuming I got in because of the color of my skin.
The idea was to increase access for underfunded/underserved groups of all races. The problem is that the mission has only been applied in a helpful way to African Americans. The idea was to help those, at the time who did not have fair opportunity and give them assistance in various forms to help them attain admission when it was earned. The problem is that this morphed not situations where universities and many public schools unfairly applied standards that have created purposeful admissions barriers for majorities.
Wow. Not too many people commenting willing to see or appreciate a different point of view. I just hear people staying in their corners and call agreeing with the folks in the documentary who tell them what they want to hear. Very interesting.
Laura Gomez is as "black and brown" as I am. I'm Irish-English-Portuguese.
Yeah I know what you mean. People like to use "Latin-American" as a shield sometimes. It's just a cultural group based on colonial Romance languages, not race. There are black, white, Asian, native, and mixed people in the group. Nowadays, people exclude Haitians, Brazilians and other non-Spanish speaking Latin-Americans even though they were *originally* part of it too.
I live in Australia, I moved here as refugees, never went to school prior moving to Australia. My schooling initially started in year 10, I have to learn basic English and learn general curriculum at the same time, they was a lot of resources put in school to help students like me. Long story short I was able to finish school, I then went to technical college to gain entrance to university. I was able to get to the university. The reason I give this background, is the give some context. Ok now let’s talk about the affirmative action. Most of students that get admission through some sort of affirmative action in Australia here, are white kids. And don’t see anything wrong with it.
Coleman Hughes seems to a very intelligent self-aware young man. 15:36
That macbook screen needs a wipe down.
This is an excellent attempt to paint the full picture of affirmative action as applied by the Ivy League
someone from Harvard making fun of shop and auto-repair...elitism has no bounds.
That... wan't her point. At all. It was about the imbalance, not the worth of either curriculum.
Coleman Hughes is great
Enough about minorities and university let talk about a bigger problem student loan debt now that’s crazy
Why would anyone implementing affirmative action ever discriminate based on race before they discriminated based on class when being poor is obviously the objectively greater setback? How could it be seen as virtuous to admit a rich black kid with insufficient grades into a university over a poor white or Asian kid?