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  • Need something else to watch? The My Summer Car series continues! kzhead.info/sun/dd2zgZGhr6iMdH0/bejne.html

    @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
    • BBC north west thought they were interviewing Käärijä but it was just some british bloke with really scuffed käärijä bolero. Put that in some compilation

      @Zarniwooper@Zarniwooper Жыл бұрын
    • Visit Järvenpää someday 😁

      @LoganHunter82@LoganHunter825 ай бұрын
  • isi is daddy, iskä is dad and isä is father. thats at least how i see it

    @generalgrievous3054@generalgrievous3054 Жыл бұрын
    • I would agree

      @geraldiinapommedeterre629@geraldiinapommedeterre629 Жыл бұрын
    • agree

      @eDy0n@eDy0n Жыл бұрын
    • Like Kelly Bundy used to say, Al is my father not my daddy.

      @js0988@js0988 Жыл бұрын
    • real !!!!1!1!

      @herne4504@herne4504 Жыл бұрын
    • 👍 agreed

      @Juhanikki.@Juhanikki. Жыл бұрын
  • Yeah, the random apology/self pity card from Posti was something else 😂

    @einienj3281@einienj3281 Жыл бұрын
    • Right! 🤣

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
    • "we care, except about the environment by creating this pointless card that we send to millions (?) of people, creating more trash" was my thought initially, but hey i guess some printing company got some cash from it. :)

      @Bipolarpear_@Bipolarpear_ Жыл бұрын
    • I didn't even get one and they've lost a lot of my mail💀

      @exoticwaffle8012@exoticwaffle8012 Жыл бұрын
    • ​@@exoticwaffle8012 I got two, one addressed with my name and the other with just "to you" 🙈🙈

      @tuanoini@tuanoini Жыл бұрын
    • yes i was like wtf.. we deliver /care... just deliver that post FFS

      @MKitchen75@MKitchen7511 ай бұрын
  • I remember once calling my dad "isä" and he just laughed at me and went: "Niin tytär?" (= Yes daughter?)

    @Game_Erica@Game_Erica Жыл бұрын
    • My dad does this 😂. Every time I'm like "Hey dad" he says "Yes child?"

      @veera5450@veera5450 Жыл бұрын
    • A fitting response lol

      @olafthebear2327@olafthebear2327 Жыл бұрын
  • the kahoot thing was probably about the "correct" answer being "i am read the book" poking fun at the teacher getting it wrong

    @ReignCold@ReignCold Жыл бұрын
    • Oh I totally missed that!

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
    • I have some info about the kahoot thing, as the person In the frame is my brother. From what I've heard from him, the kahoot was made by the english teacher Who is apparently pretty bad at english, which is absolutely insane. They clearly do not emphasize that much on english In vocational school lmao.

      @ripadblock@ripadblock Жыл бұрын
    • Idk if the teacher got it wrong, the quiz wasn't necessarily made by them

      @Unknown_crusader@Unknown_crusader2 ай бұрын
  • Käärijä is my favorite colour

    @AWJR@AWJR Жыл бұрын
    • 😂 love this

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
  • Isi sounds overly sweet and isä sounds too formal, iskä is the way to go 💪🏻

    @glossy-jimin@glossy-jimin Жыл бұрын
    • Isi is for kids under 6 y/o IMO.

      @Numbskis@Numbskis11 ай бұрын
    • @@Numbskis I'm almost 30 and still call my isi isi 😌

      @unski7051@unski705111 ай бұрын
    • @@unski7051 Yeah, I know people in their 40’s or 50’s who still say ”isi”, but in my opinion it sounds stupid and only little kids are allowed to use that word 😅

      @Numbskis@Numbskis11 ай бұрын
    • @@Numbskis I don't think you get to police how other people address their parents is all I'm saying.

      @unski7051@unski705111 ай бұрын
  • That article where an old man was towing his friend for a beer was real. It happened years ago so I think that both of them have already passed away. But that was REAL friendship.

    @oh2mp@oh2mp Жыл бұрын
    • No, it's not. They were going to the church, not for a beer. Though going for a beer sounds much better.

      @panukinnunen@panukinnunen Жыл бұрын
    • @@panukinnunen wherever they were going, the friendship was definitely real

      @ember_falls@ember_falls11 ай бұрын
  • I think at least part of the reason Eurovision is longer talked about in Finland is because they have to choose their entry and qualify, which is a much longer road than the UK's equivalent since we get in for free 😂 (in the sense that we don't have to qualify, of course!)

    @flusaka@flusaka Жыл бұрын
    • Yes, kind of lame when you think about it. I used to think the big 5 are privileged, which you are in a way but you're also robbed off the excitement of the semi finals and internal voting is very unengaging too. Best of luck tonight :D

      @nipsnaps22@nipsnaps22 Жыл бұрын
    • @@nipsnaps22 Nah the big 5 have their problems too. Seeing my country Spain sending bad songs every year is not that exciting. Finland sent a really good song this year!💚💚

      @dutyfree5192@dutyfree519211 ай бұрын
  • After getting that Posti "we care" card I got within a week a notice that they reduce delivery days to every other day in my area 😐

    @elinahamalainen5867@elinahamalainen5867 Жыл бұрын
    • Ooh.. mä en oo saanut semmosta.. mun alueella ei kulje posti tiistaisin, mut se on ollut niin jo vuosia ja vuosia..

      @einienj3281@einienj3281 Жыл бұрын
    • I got them at the same time, it made a lot more sense when it had those "sympathy" cards and some "bad news".. Not that it affects me one bit if the daily mail comes every second day.

      @squidcaps4308@squidcaps4308 Жыл бұрын
    • mä sain ilmotuksen että paikallinen r kioski lopettaa Postin palvelupisteenä toimimisen

      @Confield@Confield Жыл бұрын
    • Similar in Belgium, we only deliver one side of our tour. the other side gets mail & advertising on the next day. Mail is usually email nowadays, the rest has been taken over my package delivery. So the time is better spent focusing on one thing.

      @JadedKate@JadedKate Жыл бұрын
    • Same thing at least in Kaukajärvi Tampere.

      @ArchieArpeggio@ArchieArpeggio Жыл бұрын
  • The pointy shoes are traditional, google out "lapikkaat" and "pieksut". They are still used somewhat in Lappi. They were quite popular in the beginning of the century. They were also represented in some version of the "Tuntematon Sotilas"-movie, where a couple of soldiers preferred the thigh-long versions in deep snow. I have a pair or two myself. I was also responsible for ordering the first pair of "lapikkaat" in black leather many years back. Still got them. Nowadays sold by many shoemakers.

    @jounikorhonen@jounikorhonen Жыл бұрын
  • People are going cray at Tori with selling everything green 😂💚

    @inthehouseproductions@inthehouseproductions Жыл бұрын
  • Watching the Eurovision Song Contest is a big tradition in Finland in May, as are the Ice hockey Championships. This year, the hype is especially big because Finland and Sweden are favorites to win. Besides, Käärijä is great, isn't he? 💪🙂🍻🍺

    @tonituomanen3113@tonituomanen3113 Жыл бұрын
  • Finland had an absolutely good job at Eurovision this year... I watched their Uuden Musiikin Kipailu (at 3am lol cuz timezones is a thing) and every single song in that National Final were capable of qualifying to the finals Käärijä out right won the televotes this year but quite frankly the juries didn’t love it as much as Sweden because of the song’s weirdness and it’s fun factor

    @2teethPogZa@2teethPogZa Жыл бұрын
  • I think many of those old pictures look haunting just because they had to keep the expression very long because it took time to take the picture. If they moved even the slightest the picture would be blurred.

    @elinahamalainen5867@elinahamalainen5867 Жыл бұрын
    • Ahhh that's so true! Good thinking!

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
    • Also it wasn't a custom to smile in photos back then, and I think the lack of colour adds to the eeriness too.

      @JiihaaS@JiihaaS Жыл бұрын
    • photo taking was serious business (and expensive) but at least in the summer outdoors there was enough light

      @shake544@shake544 Жыл бұрын
    • Just think about it, 6 stoic Finns, sitting close to each other, keeping the same expression for a minute.. the release must be something to see!

      @janemiettinen5176@janemiettinen5176 Жыл бұрын
  • 8:45 One reason many old photos look awkwardly posed is because the cameras and film of those times needed quite long exposures, so the subject would have to sit very still to get a good picture. The effort of doing so often led to the pose being at least a little bit unnatural. For the early 20th century, film chemistry had already improved a lot over what was available in the 19th century, but it was still not sensitive enough to "freeze motion" under most circumstances.

    @Kromaatikse@Kromaatikse Жыл бұрын
  • The way you spoke English in a Finnish way.. 😂 Also that pier around 5:30 or something looked really familiar :D could be from Jyväskylä (Lohikosken uimaranta).

    @zeitgeistzest3531@zeitgeistzest3531 Жыл бұрын
  • 5:08 apparently finnish post takes up to 12 days to deliver packages ?? Because of the weird way finnish addresses and apartment buildings are numbered ? That is outrageous. I am post worker in Belgium and it takes 2 days here (3 for weekends & holidays)

    @JadedKate@JadedKate Жыл бұрын
    • Nah, in my experience the delivery takes about two to three business days. Letters however... If you don't have electric notifications for your packages or the sender didn't attach your phone number to the address, the notification for the package's arrival is sent as a letter. Package is only being held at the pickup location for 7 days. And delivery days for letters are being constantly lessened and they get lost easily, so the pick up window is gone and the package is sent back by the time you knew of its existence. Even if you get the letter just in time, the pick up location is a random grocery store that might not even keep the "post office" open through their own opening hours. I had this happen when I went to pick up a package at from a store open until 10pm. Said they only deal with mail until 6pm on Saturdays.

      @disastrogator@disastrogator Жыл бұрын
  • Finland’s in need of more people as the population ages, and the birth rate is low. Käärijä is now a diplomat and representative of Finland, helping to attract foreigners here - “Come to Finland!”, why? Because…”It’s crazy. It’s party”, of course! And would probably add, “We are happiest in world. 6th year. Oh, and we have Lordi, too. Jees, that is it.”

    @julian.kollataj@julian.kollataj Жыл бұрын
    • And sauna.

      @JadedKate@JadedKate Жыл бұрын
  • Speaking of pointy shoes, have you been introduced to the Leningrad Cowboys yet?

    @valtteritamminen314@valtteritamminen314 Жыл бұрын
    • Nope... But I Googled it and was not disappointed!

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
  • The old guy pulling his friend is true, but it was to church, not for a beer.

    @improbus100@improbus100 Жыл бұрын
  • You have a big heart man, dunno if I was able to forgive someone forcing me to go to Kouvola :))

    @stimolus@stimolus Жыл бұрын
  • For the UK guy in Finland: finish 7 more lonkero to get a full mustekala (octopus)...

    @House_of_Caine@House_of_Caine Жыл бұрын
  • Today is 13th day of May. Lets vote number #13 🇫🇮. It does Eurovision Song Contest 2023 slogan: United By Music! ❤ Käärijä is iconic and Cha cha cha is unique, catchy and in native language! 💚

    @JustSaying001@JustSaying001 Жыл бұрын
  • I would’ve given the historical photographs a like before even looking at the photos, just to make the number go up to 666 🤣 Also Dave, any chance you’d react to Käärijä’s ESC entry? I can’t tell if you’re yay or nay about ESC on the whole, but Finland’s entry hasn’t had this kind of international hype in… maybe ever? I wasn’t online much when Lordi won, so I’m not sure how it was back then.

    @heppahullu@heppahullu Жыл бұрын
  • I love your ever deepening trip into Finnish culture. It would be awesome to see you live in some place where we could interact with you, in some con or something.

    @Tylran@Tylran11 ай бұрын
  • I called my dad "isi" but my sister called him by his name "Jukka".. I think it's usually mostly small children that uses "isi". I was eleven when he died, my sisters were 17. He was a hunk (athlete) so not like in that picture . 😂

    @annam6337@annam6337 Жыл бұрын
    • sorry for your loss

      @tapio_15@tapio_15 Жыл бұрын
  • 8:30, photo is Kirkkotuvat in Utsjoki. My grandmother lives nearby so I've been there and passed it probably hundreds of times, really cool.

    @Sakutora@Sakutora11 ай бұрын
    • Also, the movie Joulutarina was filmed there!

      @Sakutora@Sakutora11 ай бұрын
  • Hitto kun on kiva tuijottaa Sinun videoita Dave, sitä kun välillä masentaa ja vetää maahan niin alan tuijottaan videoitasi, kummasti helpottaa😂

    @peterarmoton2685@peterarmoton2685 Жыл бұрын
  • Hey Dave have very chacha weekend!

    @velho6298@velho6298 Жыл бұрын
  • cha cha cha IS BEST and käärijä.

    @Tiemies@Tiemies Жыл бұрын
    • It's definitely a song

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
    • @@davecad yes but very good

      @Tiemies@Tiemies Жыл бұрын
    • @@davecad That it is indeed.

      @ToveriJuri@ToveriJuri Жыл бұрын
  • About the pointy shoes… they were made like that so they could ski with them. The old times’ skis’ bindings were such that the curved point would keep the skis on.

    @tuijasaari1463@tuijasaari1463 Жыл бұрын
  • The pictures were haunting because of the long exposure. You couldn't smile because that would be even worse. :D

    @Mojova1@Mojova1 Жыл бұрын
  • I regret that I wasn't able to recommend for you to go try the chicken burrito at Chili Pippuri in Kouvola in time

    @alehaim@alehaim Жыл бұрын
  • tiesitkö että valokuvaamisen keksimisen jälkeiseen aikaan oli ihmisillä tapana ottaa kuvia kuolleista läheisistä, joten vanhoimmissa kuvissa siellä saattaa olla perheen keskellä ruumis.

    @terokyngas@terokyngas Жыл бұрын
  • Did you just solve the "pointy shoe" dilemma I have been thinking about for decades just like that!? It's easier to kneel with those??

    @improbus100@improbus100 Жыл бұрын
    • I guess pieksut was the very best shoes to use ski's in wintertime, those pointees helped that ski's didn't slide away easily, I don't know the english term but in finnish they used "näystin" to hold the ski's on foot

      @0oma0@0oma0 Жыл бұрын
  • Hell yeah, i was in a reddit video! "I'm the man i love Finland" guy

    @timidb@timidb Жыл бұрын
  • In the last pic the woman with Käärijä, i think she has a youtube channel too. She looks very familiar.

    @squidcaps4308@squidcaps4308 Жыл бұрын
  • I loved the dressed up statues! Living in Helsinki during the ESC was a lot of fun 😋

    @Brian-zj4mm@Brian-zj4mm11 ай бұрын
  • This year Finland's Eurovision fever went so extra over that I'm just happy and satisfied that Käärijä didn't win the contest because I believe that most Finns wouldn't have been able to stand that victory and this mania would have just gotten out of hand even more. For example, people hoarded pineapples and canned ppineapples like crazy, and hoarded swiss rolls, hoarded green marzipan, hoarded cucumbers, sold everything green online under the name Käärijä, changed the official coats of arms of the municipalities, made little children sing Cha Cha Cha in kindergartens, sewed green boleros for dogs and gave pet rabbits Käärijä-hairstyles. Some supermarkets also gave discounts or free products if you had a Käärijä outfit and hairstyle. That circus was too much.

    @danielmalinen6337@danielmalinen6337 Жыл бұрын
    • I am crying with laughter! Aah - what a fabulous country!! 😅

      @sairhug@sairhug Жыл бұрын
  • As for the karjalanpiirakka one, the mug says something "Jahre", so Germany

    @House_of_Caine@House_of_Caine Жыл бұрын
  • that thing you got in the mail "välitämme" also means "we deal" :)

    @bloodspkin@bloodspkin Жыл бұрын
    • having a black person there is kinda racist

      @bloodspkin@bloodspkin Жыл бұрын
  • Also, Käärijä is gonna win the Eurovision! 💚

    @annam6337@annam6337 Жыл бұрын
    • Aww - but he won the televote, and that includes WAY more people. He did Finland proud and I hope he goes on to have success and happiness in his career - I LOVE his music!

      @sairhug@sairhug Жыл бұрын
  • go käärijä ;D fun video bro!

    @joelallonen5501@joelallonen5501 Жыл бұрын
  • joumääntsikako! Love that name :D I remember when the Keltainen pörssi ad came out everyone was saying that all the time.

    @Shalunium@Shalunium Жыл бұрын
  • 8:01 They are doing G-force exercises before F1 is even invented. Now that´s strategy!

    @williamdalgren7240@williamdalgren7240 Жыл бұрын
  • The pointy shoes are used in skiing

    @AxelLukin-nc5jw@AxelLukin-nc5jw Жыл бұрын
  • You‘re german was so on point 😂🙏🏼

    @XCCChannel@XCCChannel Жыл бұрын
  • I see Kaarija in thumbnail, I click

    @987liss@987liss11 ай бұрын
  • The "pointy shoes" look like something the Saami/Lapland people used. Maybe also elsewhere, but quite sure.

    @jipasd@jipasd Жыл бұрын
  • those pointy shoes was likely from walking through finland, check out history of "kolmiomittaustorni"

    @flyfin108@flyfin10811 ай бұрын
  • "i guess my son is gigachad" took me out 😂

    @noorajjang@noorajjang Жыл бұрын
  • Isi = daddy, Iskä = Dad, Isä = Father

    @bw630veisto8@bw630veisto8 Жыл бұрын
  • isi is like dada/daddy, iskä is father, and isä is dad.

    @adorable_yangire@adorable_yangire11 ай бұрын
    • Isukki

      @jaskajokunen3716@jaskajokunen371611 ай бұрын
  • Yea. I had to deliver some of those posti cards and all I could think is what the hell are these supposed to achieve. Pity?

    @mattiaikas1634@mattiaikas163411 ай бұрын
  • Oh man I got that weird Posti card too

    @anonyshinki@anonyshinki Жыл бұрын
  • I wonder what isukki looks like. And faija.

    @Hukkahanska@Hukkahanska Жыл бұрын
  • Btw to the first one i wouöd say isä is more like father

    @vop4813@vop4813 Жыл бұрын
  • Why was the class playing the kahoot so bad

    @perttiprutkula461@perttiprutkula461 Жыл бұрын
    • Whoever made the question had assigned "I am read the book" as the correct answer. Check the "correct" tick on the red answer 2:20.

      @TheRawrnstuff@TheRawrnstuff Жыл бұрын
  • Omg eurovosion

    @karssutin888@karssutin888 Жыл бұрын
  • Revolution has began! 🎉Kauan eläköön Salmiakki Suklaa! 🎉 Tai ainakin niin kauan kun se on syöty 🎉

    @verttikoo2052@verttikoo205211 ай бұрын
  • Lived in Helsinki for a year tbh i really didn't like any part of the east city, west city is cooler, but still as an Italian who now lives in Switzerland I always wondered why every bug Finnish city burned down.

    @mr.cookedfish9978@mr.cookedfish99784 ай бұрын
  • i'd say iskä is like pops, very happy go lucky, the rest you got right

    @neasulavuori4955@neasulavuori4955 Жыл бұрын
  • Isi = dad (term of endearment), iskä = daddy (the hot, gay-ish term), isä = father (as in 'my father will beat you up')

    @ThatBonsaipanda@ThatBonsaipanda11 ай бұрын
  • 1:35 orginal is to church

    @Tomba82tj@Tomba82tj Жыл бұрын
  • About those old creepy pics :D My grandma told me that it was not allowed to smile in the pictures back then O_o :D And i am an "iskä" person :D "isä" always sounded so old-schiool for me :D

    @katja1161@katja116111 ай бұрын
  • I dare you to go to Savukoski tippakuja 1 a on Wednesday 2 pm

    @jappemurtsi8652@jappemurtsi8652 Жыл бұрын
  • Somebody have been sleeping in the history class… 5:45 Or maybe in UK they don’t teach you about Mannerheim

    @Som_dudette@Som_dudette Жыл бұрын
  • The thumbnail is little bit missleading sincehere is only one post about Eurovision

    @vop4813@vop4813 Жыл бұрын
  • that "we care" thing was so weird. Like, they acknowledge that they messed up a lot of mail, but then just send a "we care" leaflet? Okay? uhh? Maybe just do a better job?

    @DissedRedEngie@DissedRedEngie11 ай бұрын
  • miro heiskanen on mun lempi kiekkoilia ❤️

    @tobi4913@tobi4913 Жыл бұрын
  • I live pretty close to that p*nis looking lake haha its always funny.

    @nokhtdoom_@nokhtdoom_ Жыл бұрын
  • fyi, Mannerheim is pronounced "Mannerheim" not "Manaahaim". Yeah it looks German but still...

    @Confield@Confield Жыл бұрын
  • At this rate, Dave needs to visit Forssa. Should be even worse than Kouvola :)

    @villelepoaho4105@villelepoaho4105 Жыл бұрын
  • Long drink and sauna seems pretty meh to me. Beer is much better for that.

    @B1gLupu@B1gLupu Жыл бұрын
  • What town are you in i am in parainen btw if you wanna meet

    @Eetuanimates@Eetuanimates Жыл бұрын
  • 9:48 Hyvinkää mainittu.

    @tomi_9212@tomi_92127 ай бұрын
  • We don't talk about r/keskustelu

    @NikonKanava@NikonKanava Жыл бұрын
  • Isi= Dada / Iskä=slangy dad / Isä = just dad.

    @Velwichia@Velwichia Жыл бұрын
  • Isä is like father.

    @headwound@headwound Жыл бұрын
  • Helsinki gets a lot of flak? Why and from whom? What’s wrong with Helsinki? I love it.

    @rolandselene@rolandselene Жыл бұрын
    • big, cold, expensive and overly hyped. More social problems in there too compared to other cities and problematic behaviour. Nice to visit for a sort time, but i wouldn't want to live there.

      @hosannayeshua4446@hosannayeshua4446 Жыл бұрын
    • @@hosannayeshua4446 Oh. Didn't know people feel that way. I´ve lived in Vaasa, Tampere, Iisalmi, Amsterdam, Malta and Helsinki. Mostly (like 90%) in Helsinki though and it's easily the best place I´ve lived in. Not even close. Well, to each his own I guess.

      @rolandselene@rolandselene11 ай бұрын
  • does the video not load after 8:06 for others? the whole video loads as normal otherwise throughout the video, but for somehow after that it will not load.

    @hosannayeshua4446@hosannayeshua4446 Жыл бұрын
  • Your son is a gigachad!

    @b_rabbit@b_rabbit Жыл бұрын
    • I thought so! 😁

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
  • Real men call their dad Issee or Äijä.

    @laurihomi7148@laurihomi7148 Жыл бұрын
  • Yo

    @SCP-682_@SCP-682_ Жыл бұрын
    • Yoo

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
    • @@davecad no (ben voice)

      @SCP-682_@SCP-682_ Жыл бұрын
  • isä? you mean "issee"?

    @jmirsp4z@jmirsp4z11 ай бұрын
  • 🥹 en malta oottaa huomisen euroviisu voittoo 🥹

    @KaniVaraani@KaniVaraani Жыл бұрын
    • En mäkään 🥹

      @jazzter8096@jazzter8096 Жыл бұрын
  • Perkele kakkaa tulee perseestä

    @pesukarhumies6113@pesukarhumies61139 ай бұрын
  • 💗💗💚💗💗

    @sebastianniittyvuopio5017@sebastianniittyvuopio5017 Жыл бұрын
  • first

    @sepporiisinen@sepporiisinen Жыл бұрын
    • 🥇

      @davecad@davecad Жыл бұрын
  • God I hope he loses and loses royally! Otherwise we will be hearing that sh*t on every radio channel 24/7 for the next 10 years!

    @js0988@js0988 Жыл бұрын
    • It's probably a very expensive project for The Finnish Matkailun edistämiskeskus. Plus, The song does well on The British Spotify chart right now🎉

      @helenaholmberg1987@helenaholmberg1987 Жыл бұрын
    • You better hope Sweden doesn't win, they song is just unbelievable korvamato.

      @squidcaps4308@squidcaps4308 Жыл бұрын
    • He's the next Verka Serduchka. Get used to it. P.S. he will win 🏆

      @JadedKate@JadedKate Жыл бұрын
    • LMAO

      @ashleydavis3318@ashleydavis3318 Жыл бұрын
  • These reddit videos are the BEST

    @munkayttaja6913@munkayttaja6913 Жыл бұрын
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